Ep. 88: She Thought Her Hair Loss & Low Energy Was Because Of Her Hormones… But It Was Actually Her Minerals: Lacey’s Story [HTMA Series Part 1]

When Lacey started losing handfuls of hair postpartum, she thought it had to be a hormone problem. Her labs were “normal,” her doctor told her to give it more time, and yet, she didn’t feel like herself.

That’s when we ran an HTMA test (Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis) and found what was really going on beneath the surface: extreme mineral depletion from pregnancy, breastfeeding, stress, and lack of sleep.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• How mineral depletion can mimic hormone issues like hair loss, fatigue, anxiety, and poor sleep
• What a “four lows” pattern means on an HTMA test and why it’s so common for moms
• How quickly Lacey started feeling better once she replenished her minerals
• The surprising benefits she noticed beyond hair growth including better digestion, energy, and calm

If you’ve ever wondered why your labs look normal but you still feel off, this episode will show you how looking at your minerals can finally give you answers.

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Transcript

Dr. Heather Finley: 0:03

Welcome to the Love Your Gut Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Heather Finley, registered dietitian and gut health specialist. I understand the frustration of dealing with GI issues because I've been there and I spent over two decades searching for answers for my own gut issues of constipation, bloating, and stomach pain. I've dedicated my life to understanding and solving my own gut issues. And now I'm here to guide you. On this podcast, I'll help you identify the true root causes of your discomfort. So you can finally ditch your symptoms for good. My goal is to empower you with the knowledge and tools you need so that you can love your gut and it will love you right back. So if you're ready to learn a lot, gain a deeper understanding of your gut and find lasting relief. You are in the right place. Welcome to the love your gut podcast.

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Welcome back to the Love Your Gut podcast. I am so excited to kick off a brand new series all about minerals with real stories from real clients who have transformed their symptoms and their health through HTMA testing or hair tissue mineral analysis. And supporting their minerals. If you have ever thought, my labs are normal, so why do I still feel awful? Then this series is for you. You'll hear from women who were exhausted. Bloated, anxious hair falling out, weight loss, resistance, stubborn symptoms anxiety, all the things, that nobody could explain until they looked at their minerals. Through these stories, you will see how rebalancing minerals helped them to have daily energy. Balanced, digestion, stable moods, more resilient hormones, not because of another restrictive diet or supplement stack, but because we gave their body what it was truly missing. These conversations are really meant to remind you that healing is often not about doing more, it's about understanding it exactly what your body needs to feel safe, supported, and balanced again. So I hope you love this series as much as I do. I'm really excited to be here today with my friend Lacey, and we are going to kick off our mineral series, talking to Lacey about mineral testing and how it changed so many things for her, even things that she was not expecting. So Lacey, welcome to the show. I'm so happy to be here. I feel so honored to be kicking it off because I feel like I'm the biggest. Like mineral, HTMA cheerleader out there. So thank you. You are, you tell so many people about it, which I love. It's so fun. I feel like half the people that I am like, who is that? That just purchased, HTMA. They're like, oh yeah, Lacey told me to do it. It's so fun. Well, Lacey, we met each other at a business mastermind, what was that like two years ago? Probably. Or maybe even longer. Yeah. Yeah, probably even a little bit longer. I remember we were just walking out to the fire pit one night and you were sharing with me how you were postpartum and you're like, I'm not sleeping. And also my hair's falling out and like not just like falling out, like falling out and clumps. Oh yeah. And you're like, I think I have a hormone problem. And as we started talking a little bit more, I was like. I actually don't, I, I think there's probably a hormone component, but I actually don't think that that's where you need to start. So why don't you tell us a little bit about just what was going on at the time, why we were talking about those things, and then what your reaction was when I said, you don't need to do hormone testing to start. Yeah. I mean, so for context, I breasted for a year. And my son also like, was a terrible, terrible sleeper. And so I really didn't start experiencing all of the hair loss until I stopped breastfeeding. And then it accelerated so quickly. Like when I tell you hair loss, I, I like probably lost half my head of hair. Like it was bad, bad. And I was going to the doctor and being like, hi, like, you know, I can pull, I can pull a lot of hair out in alum, like, what's going on? And they kept being like, oh. Well, you know, you stop breastfeeding, just give it three more months, it'll slow down. So I would like get, had given it three months and I went back and they're like, oh, give it a little more time. And that's about the time you and I were talking about this, where I was like, you know, they say my, I've got labs. I'm like, they say my labs look normal. And just to give it more time, but like, I'm gonna be bald so I kind of need to figure this out. And that's why I was like, maybe it's hormones, like I was just guessing'cause it, you know, kind of seemed like it centered around. Breastfeeding. And then I remember what you said to me that like really, like, you know, struck a chord for me is you were like, well, minerals are the building blocks of your hormones anyway. And so if you're depleted in minerals, like of course you're gonna have a hormone issue. But like, I wouldn't start there and that just like clicked for me of oh my God, of course I'm depleted. I was pregnant, I've been breastfeeding for a year. I'm not getting much sleep. Instead of doing something really drastic, like, you know, thinking I need like, hormone replace or something like that, like. Maybe I should just look at that. And so it just, when you said it like that, I was so like, oh, this makes so much sense to my brain. Totally. And I think that that's such a big shift because it would be so easy to assume it's hormones, right? Like you said, I was pregnant, I had been breastfeeding. I wasn't breastfeeding anymore. Of course, your hormones had shifted, but like the root of a lot of what you were experiencing was actually depletion because of all the things that you had gone through. Um, and also not sleeping. I mean add that on top of also. Growing a baby, nursing a baby, and then literally not sleeping for what, like 18 months I think. You really didn't sleep last two years. Yeah, two years. You were not sleeping and your body's gonna burn through minerals so much faster during stressful time periods. And obviously not sleeping is a stressful time period. So. On top of just all the other stressors of day-to-day life and running a business and doing all the things that you do. So you did the HTMA and had to actually cut more of your hair. I wanna talk about that actually, because one of the things that I hear from people is my hair is always, is already so thin. I don't wanna cut more of it. Why? No way. So tell me about that. Did you have any thoughts about that or issues with that, or were you just like, forget it, I am ready to just figure this out. Totally. I mean, well, for the first thing I wanna say about what you just said is like I, I think that one of the things that was so helpful about talking to you about it at the retreat is I feel like you made me see, like, of course I'm depleted, where I feel like when I was going to like doctors and stuff, they were just kind of like, oh, this just is what happens. Like nobody was being like, of course your body is so depleted. How are you taking care of your gut health and your minerals and all that. Like, even from like a vitamin standpoint, it's just like, oh, your labs are normal. You're, you should feel fine. And it was so gaslighting and you were kind of the first person being like, you probably don't feel fine. So that was like, really helpful. I just wanna name that. But in terms of cutting my hair, I mean. I think that you probably even remember this. Like I put it off for so long, you, I think had to text me and be like, where is your HT MA? And I'm like, I'm terrified to cut my hair. But then equally I was like, well, I'm going to lose it anyway if I don't figure this out. But I remember having catty my husband. Do it. And I was like an absolute psychopath. I was like, you cut the littlest amount possible. You do the absolute bare minimum. And I think the other thing is on the HTMA thing, it says to get it from like multiple places in your head. And you were like, if that freaks you out, don't worry about it. And that helped me too. Yeah. And I, I definitely think having someone else do it, even if you're like trying to micromanage what they're doing. Because in full transparency, the first time I did HTMA years ago, I cut my own hair and I cut probably triple the amount that I could, that I needed to, because I was just like, I had no idea what I was doing, you know? And so it really is not actually that much hair. It's really wasn't. The act of actually doing it is harder than the actual process or the thought of actually doing it is harder than the actual process I was losing probably more in a shower than I actually end up even cutting off for that. But it's just the mental thing of it, for sure. Well, and the worst part is for people like you and I that have long hair is you're discarding. The part that you're not using, because if you're new to HTMA or you don't know what it is, you're keeping like about an inch, you know, from your scalp, and then you're throwing the rest away. So it looks like more than it is if you have a very long piece of hair in the trash. But once that process was over, so then we got your results back and we saw some really interesting things. And you have now done several htma. But on your first HTMA. We saw basically what I was expecting, which was that your body was just really depleted. You were in what we call a four lows pattern. And I will say we kind of have a team joke and obviously it's not a joke, but it's more just like a team thing, that when we are working with someone who is a mom and an entrepreneur, we know what we're getting into. We know. That we're just gonna see some bad stuff. And I'm saying that because I'm grouping myself into that category as well. I have episodes reviewing my own results if anyone wants to go back and listen. But we found you in a four lows pattern, which is the most depleted state. So that's interesting. And. Also not surprising because of how much stress your body had been under and also just how bad you were feeling. So what was your initial reaction when you got the results? Did you feel validated? Were you like, oh my gosh, this is scary? Or what did you think? I don't know if you remember this, but you text me when they came in. Text me. Are you okay? And I was like, I'm really not like you. Were like, well, it makes sense. And so I felt so validated because I had been, I mean, probably at that point I had been to the doctor, I don't know, four times. Right. Of just being like, something's not right. And they're like, eh, you know, postpartum, give it a minute. And so you being like, oh no, we have like, like literal evidence that you are in fact not okay. I, it felt so validating'cause I was like, I knew it, but equally I was so tired that it was so hard to keep like pushing and advocating for myself. So I honestly wasn't upset at all. I was like, thank the Lord. This is what I needed. And I think I felt so much more empowered'cause I'm like, oh, if I know what's wrong, like I'll do anything to fix it. Like I, you know, I'm happy to change what I'm eating, you know, add supplements, whatever. Like I have no issue with that, but I just didn't know what to do before then. Well, and to your point, it's really easy to keep doing the same things over and over again, like what your doctor was saying, oh, you're postpartum. Just keep taking your vitamins. Or wait three more months, your labs are normal. And that can be applied to so many different scenarios, whether it's gut stuff or hormone stuff or hair stuff. But a lot of the times. The women that we work with, their labs are normal and it makes them feel even crazier because they're like, why is my hair falling out in huge chunks in the shower? Why can't I not get out of bed in the morning? Why am I falling asleep midday? You know, all the things. Why am I so constipated? I mean, really, any symptom can be traced back to this, but. HT MA is just looking at a totally different thing. And so finally you had answers to why you were feeling the way that you do, and I do remember texting you like, are you okay? Because really, like if you look at your results, everything's just low across the board. And that's the kind of interesting thing about htma. You, you kind of know what you're gonna get, but also it. It's different for everybody and there's just so much nuance with the test that you, there's patterns in all the things that you wanna look at. So you met with our team, you got some recommendations. You ended up doing the custom vicon blend which is like the custom mineral powder, and started taking that. Tell us just how you were feeling Anything you noticed? Good. The good, the bad, the ugly, all the things. So you and your team were like super honest with me. You're like, Hey, it's probably gonna take like at least a month for you to like start feeling this. And so, you know, like expectations set. But for me it didn't, like, I think within a week I text you and was like, Hey, I've never done cocaine, but I imagine if I did, it might feel like this because like, I felt so different, like literally within a week. Which in a sense kind of almost like scared me'cause I was like, oh, that's it. What scared me is I was like, I let it get so bad and I didn't even realize how bad I felt. Like I just was like, oh, I'm a new mom. I'm not sleeping. Like, I'm just really tired. And I think it was so much more than that. Like after even just being on that for a week, I was like, that was bad. Bad. And I couldn't even see it until I was out of it. Like if I hadn't been losing my hair, the hair part was like, what was really like freaking me out. Like I was like, you know, envisioning going bald. But if I hadn't had that part, I honestly think I would've let that go on for longer. And that's like crazy.'cause once I got on the other side of that, I mean, I felt better at a week. But then I would just say I felt like consistent improvement for at least like. A month or two after that. Like very noticeably. And it just made me realize like, yes, I am not sleeping. And there are parts of that that are still really hard, but that was not like the. Even half of the problem, you know? Totally. And like, just because your lifestyle circumstances, like you know your son not sleeping, that's obviously something that you can't really control. But one thing that you can control is how you're taking care of yourself outside of that. And although it takes. Maybe a little bit more of a bulldozer of minerals. Yeah. Go in and fill in the gaps. At that point in time, like it does make a difference. And obviously I'm not saying like this can totally negate not sleeping, but there are circumstances in life where like, yeah, you're a postpartum mom. There's things outta your control, but you still have a business to run. You still have a little person to take care of. You still have all the normal day-to-day things to do, and so if there's a way to make you. Feel better even when circumstances aren't completely ideal. Right. And I think one thing to mention too is that you are on your own a lot, so it's not like you could just go and take a nap when you're tired. Yeah. My husband travels a ton for work, so it's like. It's not like, it's like, oh, I'm having a tough night. Like, you know, he can always step in or whatever. So it was really like, I need to do as much as I can to kind of like support myself in this season of like, what else can I handle here? What else can I control? And like, yeah, even like, I think like the vicon powder as like an example was so helpful for me because it was just like all in one and I had to just do one thing as opposed to being like, oh, I need, you know, to like mix this. Uh, mineral cocktail and mix this. Now I'm at a different point in my life. Like, I get sleep. My son's older, and now I find that fun to do that. But at that time, like that wouldn't have been fun for me. Like, I was just like, I need to like, have everything I need in one place and like put it in a drink and like, get going, you know? Totally. Yeah. And now it's like you're not as depleted. So it's not like you need mega doses of things.'cause that is a question we get, like, do I have to do a custom blend forever? And the answer is absolutely not. You know, we get minerals from food and that's the only way that we get'em. We don't get minerals or body doesn't make them. So as long as we're. Being conscientious of consuming minerals and adding in minerals through either food or supplementation or mineral mocktails, then we can kind of keep up with the demand. But your body was so depleted that you couldn't keep up with the demand, so you were just getting more and more depleted over time. But I wanna circle back to what you said earlier is if I hadn't been losing my hair, I would've let this go on even longer. And I think that that is so common. Because most of the time when women work with us, and men too, but we work with like 90% women, most of the time when women work with us, they're just, it's been going on for so long that they're in such a bad place. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that, you know, whether it's as a mom or just a female in general, why do you think we wait so long to do something about the symptoms that we're having? I mean, for me, I think I just didn't I was so depleted that I almost couldn't see how bad it was. Like the hair was such a, a, an acute representation of that. Like I could see like, oh wow, I'm like grabbing a chunk of my hair in the shower. And that was almost like that evidence that I needed. But then apart from that, it's almost like I was so tired and depleted that I like, couldn't. Even realize how bad it was, if that makes sense. Like it wasn't like, oh, I don't wanna do something for myself, or I'm too busy. I just didn't realize it. And again, it is almost like I felt like kind of being told that by a lot of like my, my doctors and stuff too. It wasn't until at the retreat you were like, I, this sounds bad. It sounds like you could, you know, really have something going on. It was almost like the first time where I was like, oh yeah, it does it really bad, doesn't it? You know? Yeah, we just get used to it. Didn't realize it'cause I was too in it. And I think that's what happens to a lot of people. Like you're so in it, you can't see the forest of the trees. Totally. Like you don't realize how bad you feel until you feel better. Yep. So one moment that I'll never forget on your journey was when you posted some Instagram reel that was like. Something along the lines of like, if you kidnap me, make sure you make sure I have. And like one of the things was your minerals. And at that moment I was like, Lacey is so bought into how much minerals matter. And I just, I thought it was. So funny. But tell us. No, it was, it was ways to kidnap me. Oh, wa okay. Yeah. You know, like follow the mineral powder. I was like, I'll go anywhere it's going. The other part of that, that, you know, I was bought in, I don't know if you remember this, but my powder had run out. Yeah, before I had, and I had been like, it was my fault, not, not your team's fault at all, but I had been laxed about getting on your team's schedule to like get my new appointment and reorder and I was like, Heather, I am spiraling. Like I am going to be without this powder. Like what, how help, because I was that like. I need this and like, maybe that wasn't so good. Like I was, you were like, you need to calm yourself. But I really was like, this feels like magic, you know, at the time, like I felt like this is what's keeping me like. Good, you know? Yeah. I remember you were saying something like, Kenny was like, what is wrong with you? Like, you're gonna be okay. Yeah. He was like, you know, I think it's gonna be fine. And I was like, it's really not gonna be fine. I need my powder. You're like, how do we overnight this? I'm like, this is a custom blend that they're making for you. There's no Amazon Prime, so. Now I have context to be like, it will be fine. But like at the time I was like, this is like has been my saving grace, you know? Totally. Yeah. Because it was giving your body everything it needed to turn every light back on, every system back on in your body because every system in your body runs on minerals. So obviously you came to us with hair loss as your major concern. And energy, I would say too, hair loss and energy. But what did you experience that maybe you weren't expecting or what were maybe some of the secondary benefits? I know I remember getting several text messages from you. Yeah. I'm so surprised by X, Y, and Z, so would love to just hear some other ways that it helped. I like wouldn't have told you, excuse me, like I had a digestion issue or a gut issue or anything at that time. But once I got in the mineral powder and like was like. Going to the bathroom super regularly and just feeling like, oh, I'm like really not bloated like I used to be. Again, it's like that fog I was in, I just like. That was like the least of my worries almost, you know what I mean? I'm like, oh, I'm a little bloated, whatever. But once I got on it, I was like, everything felt better. Like digestion felt so much better regularity. Just like almost even like what I could eat without like having an upset stomach and stuff like that. Again, stuff that you just normalize where you're like, oh yeah, I eat that and my stomach gets upset, whatever. But then like being on that, I was like, oh. This is not a problem. Like I actually just, you know, needed this support. That was like very interesting too. And then feeling like I, I don't even know if this is like the, the exact way I wanna explain it, but just like overall. More calm. Like one of the things that on mine was like my magnesium was so low and I feel like it just like getting that back up has made such a difference in just like everything, feeling a little more chill. I like probably would say like I chopped all of that up too to oh, I'm postpartum, of course I have a little bit of anxiety or whatever, and like that went away very quickly with the minerals. Yeah. The two main minerals, magnesium and potassium that help us buffer stress and help our nervous system. I'm looking at your results right now. Your magnesium was like. 1.9, which is so low, and your potassium was a one, which is like basically almost non-existent. So yeah, no wonder, I mean, we get messages like that all the time from clients. Like, does this make sense that I'm not getting as like. Activated by stressful situations or I have another friend who's a mom entrepreneur that did HTMA. That was like, I'm so surprised, but I had a really stressful month in business and it didn't like send me off the rails. Am I making things up? And I was like, no, you're not making things up. Your body buffer stress with minerals. So it makes such a big difference. Yep. I felt that so much, like it just felt like an overall more like chill energy. And again, like. All of that gaslighting that we do to women of like, oh, well you're postpartum. Of course you have anxiety. Oh, you're postpartum. Yeah, you're gonna have some like hormone fluctuation, dah, dah, dah. Like I just like, once I could like zoom out and see it for what it was, I was like, all of this made sense. Like this isn't like quote unquote normal. Like it might be normal to be depleted postpartum, but it's not normal in the sense that we should have to like deal with it or not create a solution to it. It's like made me so. Like crazy about advocating for my health more and advocating for how I feel about stuff.'cause I'm like, I could have gone on for so long. And not had the, if you and I had just like kind of magically had that one conversation, how long would I have? Felt like this, you know? Totally. Yeah. Because it's just not something that's really talked about that much. I mean, you hear like postpartum depletion and Oh, take your vitamins and all of that. But I would say for the majority of people, that's not enough. Especially if you. Had a stressful pregnancy or you were really sick and you couldn't even keep down your vitamins. Just, it's usually, and you went into your pregnancy even depleted. On top of that, they say sometimes I've read in several places, it takes seven years to deplete or to replete minerals from one pregnancy. So you think about that and it's oh. And that's probably even considering that nothing else stressful happens to you in that time. Yeah, there's, and that could be a whole nother podcast episode, like how copper and estrogen and all of those things affect actually postpartum anxiety. Maybe I'll do that episode sometime, but yes, it's, it's a totally just missed I think, opportunity for so many women. So what would you say to someone who maybe is in the same situation that you were and is like, I am curious about minerals. I feel like it's a little woo woo, or I don't quite understand it. Or like, how could, supporting minerals actually make that big of a difference, like this seems made up. What would you say? Well, so I think something funny, a little funny story to share there is, so my husband is in the medical field. And has been for his whole career, and so he is incredibly skeptical of anything. That is not very traditional kind of thing. So when I told him about this, he was like, I don't know do whatever you want, but like, oh no man. You're gonna cut your hair for no reason. Yeah. Now he is so gung-ho about it. I think you know this, but like he recommended his aunt who is a pharmacist and is now like also your biggest fan. And so I say it to say like, there's no harm in trying it. Like, what's the worst that's gonna happen? You're gonna cut a little bit of hair off and. Whatever. But like the benefit of it has been insane. Like if my like uber skeptical husband can come around to now being that like, I, I think everyone can. And like we literally still talk about it this like all the time. We're like, oh my God, thank God I figured that out because, that like, I, I imagine, I mean, you tell me, but like, I imagine that would've just gotten worse. Like if my magnesium and potassium were that low, like how much like worse could that have gotten? So I feel like it's like one of those things where it's like, can't hurt only helps. Like, it's not like you're literally doing something to like, harm your body by cutting off a little bit of hair. But if you could have like that big of a result, like, I, God, I wish I would've done that, you know? A year sooner. How different would my postpartum experience have been if I had, you know? Totally. So where are you at now? What does that look like for you? Like I mentioned, you've done several htma and they've all gotten better and improved in different ways and. The interesting part about minerals is we're not necessarily looking for everything to be perfect'cause minerals are dynamic, but we're just looking at patterns and we're looking at how the whole system is working. But where are you at now? What does that look like for you and how are you kind of incorporating this in your day to day? Yeah, I mean, I still prioritize them a ton. Like I still take like a mineral mocktail every day and like really focus on that. And when I'm feeling, like if I'm like feeling extra depleted or whatever, like that's like the first place I go is have I been staying on top of that? Like, what else do I need to think about there? But yeah, I just feel amazing, like my hair has grown back. I don't know if it'll ever be what it was before or after all that loss, unfortunately. But like I have, like, you can see this I have so much regrowth, like it's crazy. I literally just got my hair done last night and my hairdresser was like, oh, your hair's like really like getting there. I was like, I know. I work out like five days a week now. There is not a, a single possibility that I could have done that at the time. Like I, the. Energy that that would've taken, would've been insurmountable. You know, I sleep really well. I feel like my digestion and my like regularity is super good. Like I just feel like I have. The tools for that too. Like if that ever feels off, I feel like I know what I can do and I've been on, I did the Vicon for probably a year and a half I think. Like it really did feel like my security blanket for a little bit. And now I haven't been on it a little bit. I may like you, I think like you kind of do. I may get back on it periodically'cause I think it's like nice to have that sometimes I will say. It tastes terrible. It does. Yeah. Horrible. But if you mix it with orange juice, it's totally fine. Yeah. That was like my, my hack. But it's so worth it. Like I'm just so, I feel like I cannot imagine how I'd be feeling now if I hadn't done that. And that's why I refer so many people to,'cause I work with so many women in business. I literally had this conversation with a client like three weeks ago. She's she's in the medical field as well and I was like, Hey, I know you like know so much more about all this than I do, but like. I like, you just had a baby a year ago, like, are you doing anything for your minerals? And she was like, oh God, no, I should be. And I was like, yeah, I think you should be. And then, you know, a couple weeks later she's like, yeah, I already feel better. Like, I don't know why I didn't think of that, but like when you're in it, it's just. So hard and yeah, it's hard if, if the lights are off, you know, it's so you just have this tunnel vision and all you can think about is just how tired you feel. It's, yes, but, but the nice part is that like, it's not complicated, obviously, knowing what to take and how much to take and when to do it and all of that, that's the complicated part. But obviously we tell you exactly what to do. Whether somebody ever decides to do a custom blend or standalone, there's, there's so many ways that you can approach it, which is nice. Like you can take the custom blend, you can decide to do other stuff, whatever's gonna work for your lifestyle. But it's like, if you know exactly what to do, it'll take you literally what, two minutes a day to have energy all day. That's the thing too, like I, I am, you know this about me in business, but I'm definitely someone who's like, there's no magic pill. Like whatever this is like about as close to as it gets because I didn't have to change almost anything else. Like I already ate pretty healthy. I already. Was doing what I could to like optimize rest and stuff like that. Like really that, that simple of a thing. Like putting a scoop of this powder in my orange juice every day was like nothing. You know? Yeah. And like, does it taste the best? No. But we give you all sorts of ideas of how to make it taste better, and it's kind of the, what I was saying earlier. Choke something down for two minutes a day and have energy all day or feel tired all day. I mean, I don't know. I, the, that option is better to me. Yeah. I would pick that every time. Like, I, I think that, and you get used to it, like, now, I wouldn't even notice it at the beginning. I, you know, obviously did a little bit more, but yeah, I, it's just crazy. I, I, that's why I'm like, want to shout this from the rooftops.'cause I'm just like, do. People know about this and I think the answer unfortunately is like not that many do. I mean, you're obviously on a mission for it, but it's like crazy how not normalized this is totally. Well, Lacey, it's been amazing to watch, honestly and it's so fun just to hear. All the stories and talking about minerals at your Thanksgiving last year and convincing your aunt to do it and all the things like, I just love how you have become such an advocate for this, just unashamedly because it's just made such a difference. Is there anything else that we didn't cover that you wanted to cover today or say? I think the only other thing that like. Comes up for me to say'cause just'cause I've like recommended so many people now is like, obviously my story is very like focused on postpartum. I was depleted there. But like I think that's so many women's story. Even if they, like my friend has a 7-year-old and did HTMA with you and was super depleted probably because of what you were saying. She was like never. Quite made up for that. So anyway, just to say obviously mine is very much like I did it when he was one, but like I really feel like every woman, like no matter what, should have this. Yeah. I mean that's really the beauty of minerals is whether you have thyroid issues, hormone issues, digestive issues, literally every metabolic process in your body relies on minerals. And like you said, why is nobody talking about this? Honestly, and I, I talk about this a lot on the, on the podcast, but even in dietician school, it's like they just like skipped that. We like read oh yeah. And by the way, there's these things called minerals and moving on and that was it. And when I was teaching college I guess last year. They had a unit on it and it was like supposed to be so brief, and I was like, no guys, we are actually gonna talk about this because this matters. And if you can understand this now, it'll save you so many years in your career doing all these random protocols and trying to eliminate foods from people's diet and random supplements when the issue is actually that their body just doesn't even have the raw materials to do what it needs to do. So that part just struck me so much of of course, like my body can't Be in the right hormonal place if I'm not giving it the right things to do that. And so that was so helpful. It's again, something I always talk about in business is solving the right problem, and I feel like that's what you do with this. And it just like that, landed it for me. Love that. Are you solving the right problem? I'm gonna start saying that. Yes. Lacey, thank you so much. It's been so amazing to watch, and obviously we appreciate you sending all your friends, all your family, all the people. Well, I appreciate you helping them. I mean, truly, it's amazing. It's been so fun. And I mean, honestly, minerals, it's, I, I tell even the dieticians that I mentor this, like of course I love stool testing. It gives a lot of data, but I am obsessed with mineral testing just because of the results that you can get. So quickly. So that's why I'm so excited about this mineral series because we have different people coming on to talk about different situations and how minerals help to them. So Lacey, thanks for kicking off this series for us. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you. Thanks for tuning into this episode of the Love Your Gut podcast. Don't miss out on our biggest event of the year, the HTMA Black Friday Sale. If you are tired of running lab after lab with no answers, HTMA testing gives you a clear picture of your mineral health so that you can create a personalized plan that actually works. It's your chance to finally understand your body and start feeling like yourself again. You can join the wait list so that you are the first to know. 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