Why Swingers Face Judgment: Unpacking Society’s Need to Impose Beliefs

In this powerful episode, we tackle a pressing issue: how segments of society attempt to impose their moral beliefs on others, particularly around the swinger lifestyle. From outdated adultery laws to neighborhood outcries over private parties, we explore the various ways sexual freedom is policed and judged by those who feel they must control others' choices. We also reflect on how societal repression impacts adult freedoms, and why swinging continues to spark controversy in communities. Whether you're in the lifestyle or just curious, this episode uncovers the root of societal judgment and the fight for personal freedom.

Key topics discussed:

• How societal beliefs shape perceptions of swinging
• The legal and moral judgments that impact swingers
• Why people feel the need to control others' sexual behavior
• An outrageous story about a neighborhood's reaction to a private "Crock-Pot Party"
• How swingers deal with public scrutiny and judgment

If you believe in personal freedom and the right to make your own adult choices, this episode is for you!

Crockpot party:

https://kdvr.com/news/local/sex-clubs-more-common-than-people-think-woman-in-the-lifestyle-says/amp

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651270/amp/Swingers-party-ends-BRAWL-police-officers-wives.html

https://www.denverpost.com/2014/01/03/colorado-swingers-spice-up-sex-life-at-squirrel-creek-lodge/amp

Adultery laws: https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-16-states-where-its-illegal-cheat-your-wife-1887307

Transcript

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Why does Swinging make some people angry? Is it okay to tell people what they can do in the privacy of their own homes? Why do Americans want to control other people's choices? Welcome to Swinger University. I'm Phoebe. And I'm Ed. Dun, dun, duh. Yeah, we've been talking about doing, well, we've done aspects of this topic before and we've been wanting to do this for a while. Years. Years. And some of these stories that we're gonna talk about are actually years old, but they're still relevant and they're still topical because of everything that's going on right now in the world. Yes. Let's start with this. Swinging right now is huge in popular culture. If you look on YouTube, you look at any of the other channels out there, you do a search for Swinging, TikTok, ABC News has done several specials on it. There's a new special coming out this Friday about Swinging and Mormons and the whole thing. And it's like this reality TV. It's all out there. It's all out there. Yes, awesome. But what's interesting though, is that there are still people who get really, really upset about the personal choices that people make in their lives. And this goes way beyond Swinging, but we're gonna talk about Swinging specifically today, but you can kind of read between the lines and see how this can apply to other things. Part of what we're gonna talk about today is a philosophical discussion about fears and insecurities that people have. Why vanilla people feel that they need to be concerned about what everyone else does sexually? Yeah, as repressed of a culture that we are, why does everyone feel like they need to stick their nose into your bedroom? Right. Like they're the ones having sex with the lights off. So why do they need to shine the light on you? When you make an interesting point, because if you're so offended by sex, why are you even thinking about it so much? Why are you talking about it so much? Why are you worried about what other people are doing about it? I mean, you won't talk to your kids about what they should and shouldn't do and the proper use of condoms, because heaven forbid that teenagers actually have sex, because guess what folks, they do. It happens. And instead of hiding, you should talk to them about it. So let's kind of swing it back towards the lifestyle and talk about one of the reasons why maybe this is a little bit of an issue and why some people who are watching this channel who are swingers may want to be concerned a little bit. Come to find out, adultery is actually a crime in some states. You'd have to figure out whether swinging with consent is actually classified as adultery. I think it still would be because you're married and you're having sex with someone who you're not married to, therefore it is adultery, even if you're consenting. We have a map, we'll publish it along with the episode, little screenshot of it. In some states, it's a$10 fine, like in Maryland, whoop-de-do, who cares, $10. But in other states, it's actually potentially jail time for it. Yikes. It's a legitimate concern. I guess my question would come to with this. A, how did that come about? Why did they think that adultery was so bad that it should be a law and more specific? Because I know why, because we were a Puritan nation when we were founded. It was ultra-conservative people who founded the country. And they had all kinds of rules about sex and what you should and shouldn't do. It seems that some states still have these laws on the books. Fascinating. Yeah, very fascinating. We do not live in one of those states, thank goodness. No, we don't. But Florida's one of those states, and right next to Florida, Alabama, what else is right next there? All the southern states, right up to Louisiana. Virginia. All the way north to Virginia. And like I said, Maryland's there, DC's not a state, but there you go. And swinging is huge in Florida. Yeah, I think Utah's in here, Arizona. No, I'm surprised by that, because there- Well, as we know, there'll be a TV show on talking about swinging in Utah because they're Mormons, there you go. Oh, man. But that state and the Mormon religion have history of having multiple lives. Right. Way back. But that's not adultery because they were all married. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. Talk about- Wait. Talk about a bend in the rule. Oh, because I see- You can be a polygamist, but you can't have adultery. Because they got their tax dollars, because you were married. Could be, could be. Because when you're married, you're a corporation, you get the dollars. So what it comes down to is, you can have five wives as a polygamist, but if you sleep with a sixth woman, then you're in trouble. This is why we can't have nice things. Oh my goodness. Okay. So- Yes. The origin of this comes about from our trip to Colorado, when we went to a house party, and we were talking to the hosts of the party. And one of the stories that came up was the Crock-Pot party. Oh my goodness. It's known in the news as the Crock-Pot party. We'll have a link to the video, or at least to the news articles that talk about it, because I think the videos are gone by this time. The long and short of it is, there was a swinger party in a neighborhood, and the police were called, and the party was broken up, and it made the news. Okay. I get calling the cops when a party is out of control. Somebody parked on your lawn, they're throwing up all over the place. Whatever. I get that. Right. Okay, wait. But you have to tell them why it was called the Crock-Pot. Oh no, I'll get to that. Oh, okay, okay. I'll get to that. I just had to preface it. Are you building it up? I'm not building it. Okay. I'm building it. So I get drunken behavior. I get the noise pollution. You got the music cranked up to 11, right? Like full on rock and roll party. Yep. But if that's not going on, then why would you call the police? Well, let's get into this story. Okay. I've got some quotes here. This is really great. Residents on Avery Way in Castle Rock say organized sex parties at one home are causing parking problems and noise. Here you go. But they are most concerned with the sexual nature of those events and any exposure to children. Huh. Another quote. Wait, oh, what are we gonna do? We're gonna do quotes and then we're gonna go through the discussion. Okay, okay. Because, oh my God. So many. I think it is disgusting, one neighbor said. Okay, I have comments on that too. Keep going. Some of them are so old that they struggled walking up the stairs, the neighborhood said. Okay, got it. Okay, so let's talk about this for a little bit. Okay, so let's talk about one. The first quote. And any exposure to children. Yeah, there are no children at Swinger parties. If you have children at Swinger parties, I hope you get arrested. Right. Absolutely. Well, and I just love how people always use the children card. It's the children. Right. It's the children. Right, just to make a big, like they're not even there. No. They're trying to make a big deal out of something that's nothing. Now, what they were most concerned with is their children having to know what was going on at the party or hear what was going on at the party or see what was going on at the party. Like this is any different than at a hotel. You guaranteed 100%. You're at a Disney hotel. Oh yeah. And you hear boots banging on the room next door to you because. Because people have sex in hotels. By the way, you're stealing one of our stories later, but we'll keep going. Oh, sorry. Well, but still like. Oh my God, the children heard. Like really? And I think part of that is parents don't want to have to explain that adults actually have sex. They don't know how to have that conversation with their kids. It's not that problem. Guess what? Children exist because adults had sex. Oh my God. That's biology. That's how it works. If you didn't know that, I'm sorry, I broke the secret. But the fact is that it's not like they're doing this on the front lawn. They're doing it in the privacy of the house. The curtains are pulled. There's nobody there. And in this particular party, I read through some more of the details from the hosts. They soundproof the house to minimize the amount of noise that could be heard. They made sure that nothing that was going on was going on outside in the backyard. It was all indoors. Like most responsible swinger. Like most responsible swinger parties. But I think it's mostly the fear of what they don't know. I know. They're thinking, I don't know what goats are being sacrificed in the living room. I don't know what they think goes on at swinger parties. If they just watch our episodes, they would know all about what happens at swinger parties. Why can't they have the image that I had as a teenager that sex parties were all Roman, Grecian, just like curtains. Well, baby, that's what they're thinking. And beds and pillows. But that's bad because the lights are on. No, the lights are low and people are feeding you grapes and you're getting fanned. And it's just this low, nice hum. And there's maybe harps in the background and it's just, there's moaning and, you know. We went to a Togo party once, that was fun. It was fun, yeah. You picked up on the child aspect of this, but the thing that I was most concerned about was the concern that they had that there were sexual things going on at the event. Okay. My argument is, how many other parties are drunk in disorderly behaviors going on? You're not concerned about that. And how many vanilla parties turn into a sex party at the hot tub. Things should happen. Because it wasn't labeled that way. It was the barbecue on the 4th of July instead of a swinger party, but sex still happened. Oh yeah. Yeah, hot tubs are a gateway drug to swinging. I'm just saying. And we have a T-shirt. I'm all about that. Yes, yes we do. Thank you. And I think the other one that I found was really funny was some of them were so old that they struggled walking up the stairs. Oh, that's just shaming. That's just blatant. I think it's great. They're just jealous. Exactly, because if I were so old that I had a walker and I was still going to swinger parties. Absolutely. Cheers to you. 100%. I'm just saying. Cheers to you. And we've heard at senior homes. Oh God, yes. The rampant sex that's going on there. I mean, these people are turned up. Oh yeah. Turned up. Yeah, they kind of have some STI problems or other issues going. So neighbors are clearly projecting their own images Exactly. onto this. The projection, hence being the quote, I think it's disgusting. Poor, poor, poor individual that thinks sex is disgusting. I feel so bad for them. So the worst part about this, besides the party getting broken up, which is unfortunate and the HOA would got involved and all kinds of crap happened. Oh, and by the way, the crock pot part of this party, just so we don't drop that lead. Yeah. One of the guests brought food and they happened to bring it in a crock pot. But the whole thing got named the crock pot party. So one person brought it in a crock pot. People were seen bringing crock pots in for food. I mean, it was a potluck, it happens. Right? Oh man. It's one thing to be offended by something and call the police. It's another to illegally block the driveways of the party. Oh yes. To key the cars of the party and cause who knows how much financial damage to property. So breaking the law to stop a perfectly legal party, that's okay because sex is happening. Oh my God. Wow. That's the mentality here that just- Boggles the mind. It just blows my mind. It's like, you're having sex, I'm going to kill you. What? Wait, what? That escalated quickly. Like be offended, sit in your house and stew about it. Sure. But to like actually cause somebody else's property damage. Damage? That really- This is the sexual pent up energy and guilt and shame that a lot of people have around sex. And honestly, it's really sad. It is, it is. It's tragic and it's devastating to people's lives. Oh yeah. To have that type of belief system or shame that you live with. It's gotta be debilitating. Absolutely. To basically be just, you're stunned at everything that goes on in the world. Yeah. To just be so- It's like cutting off a limb. I mean, you aren't fully you. Right, right. I mean, I have relatives that just coexist together in certain households- Oh sure, can I get sexless marriages and how that can happen. That's one story. The other one that happened was one that happened to us personally. We were at a local hotel party, not a takeover because we don't fully take over the hotel. Everyone always says they're full of- They call them takeovers. Rare, but yes. Somehow, we actually know how, there was a single male who bought a hotel room but couldn't get tickets. So he went to the media and basically outed the party to the local news. They showed up to try and find out what was going on at the sex party. No tell. He actually found us on the internet. They did. And called us. Yeah, they wanted us to comment on it and basically gave them the finger and had no interest in contributing to that nonsense. Yeah, I'm not gonna step in that. And what's funny is that single male, of course, now is banned from those parties, would never be able to attend those again, potentially ruined it for everybody who was there, potentially caused who knows how much damage. If the news had actually gotten in and outed people, talk about doxxing people. Oh yeah. Holy shit, people could have lost their jobs. They could have been, who knows? Who knows what could happen? Yeah. All because of one idiot- One stupid ass. Pre-buying tickets and not realizing that it was already sold out and wanted a refund. And he wasn't vetted. I mean, as a single person, you always need to be vetted. There was a whole bunch of stuff. Now the interesting thing was the way that the news media took it and the way that they interviewed casual people, vanilla people who happened to be walking by, and the outrage about, oh my God, they're having a sex party at a hotel?(laughing) To your point, anybody who's watching this right now or listening to this podcast will tell you they've heard people having sex at hotels. That's kind of what happens at hotels. So to be offended that people are having sex at a hotel is kind of like being offended that hotels exist.(laughing) It doesn't make any sense. So you're supposed to go on vacation and not have sex? You're not supposed to have date night with your husband and have a little staycation. You go downtown, you get a hotel and you have sex in your hotel because you can't make noise at home because you have kids. Right. But you can't do that because it's a hotel. And you can't go on your honeymoon at the hotel in the honeymoon suite, which by the way, most hotels have and have sex. Why? Because you shouldn't be having sex at a hotel. People might. People, you might expose the children. No, you're not gonna expose the children. Oh my God. That was the church lady face. That was the church lady face. I miss the church lady face. Could it be Satan? Could it be Satan? So that was one of the examples, but I'm sure anybody who's watching this can cite other examples about how this has happened or a party that's gotten broken up because the police showed up. We've been to parties, the police show up and they go, guess what, you're not breaking the law. The music's not too loud because we can't hear it outside. You just have a Karen neighbor who's calling something on you. We actually did a whole Patreon episode about a party and the neighbor and all that. And the Karen. Yep. Mm-hmm. But they basically, sorry to bother you, but we just have to do a check. And you guys have a nice evening and they turn around and they walk away. Yes. They come back an hour later in plain clothes to join the party.(laughing) Yeah. No, yes, maybe. Darn it. I don't know. There are a lot of correctional officers in the lifestyle and just saying and nurses. Yes.(laughing) That would have been awesome. That would have been great. What this all comes down to is what some people call pearl clutching and inflicting your opinions on other people. And for those of you who do not know what pearl clutching is, it's like, oh my God.(laughing) It's my best pearl clutching impersonation. So you're wearing a pearl necklace. Of course this is a-- Right, with a cardigan sweater and it's church lady. It's church. It's church lady, right? And I take it it's a particular time in our culture, like what, 50s? Yeah, maybe earlier, but yes, it's all about being mortified that someone's doing something that you just can't imagine. Yeah. Casting judgment. Here's the thing. My deal is you don't have to condone it. You don't agree with it? Fine, don't bless it. Don't give it your approval, sure. Don't participate in it. You don't like it? Don't come to the party. You don't have to. We're not dragging you in. So why do you care so much? Why do you care what other people are doing, especially if it doesn't-- Because-- infect you. Because it directly goes up against their belief system. Sure. So if they were a gray person and they're like,"Eh, it's not really my thing,"but I really don't care what people do." That'd be a gray person. They're a very black and white person. Right. And you get, let's say they're-- It's either right or it's wrong. Yes, it's either left or it's not in between. Right. It's not one or the other. You've got this hard belief system, a strong opposing belief system coming up against yours. It's going to create a lot of discomfort in you. And so it's going to create a big reaction. Would you say highly opinionated people, immovable, unshakable people are going to have these types of reactions? Well, I guess it depends, I think, on what your opinion is, right? Because you could be highly opinionated like us that say it's okay and it's perfectly acceptable behavior for adults to do what they want to do. But generally you and I are open-minded people. There are many things that we don't like or understand or isn't for us, but we don't put upon others. That's the key. It's a difference between having an opinion and telling other people what their opinions need to be or how they need to act. I get, and I 100% support your right to be offended. You want us to occupy your brain, then fine. Think about us all day and all the naughty stuff we're doing. Be mad about it. But what I don't understand is why you could, A, come tell me that what I'm doing is wrong. I'm an adult, I get to make my own decisions. Congratulations. Yay, that's the beauty of being an adult. I turned 18, I get to do what I want. I turned 21, I get to drink if I want to. You don't have to drink if you're 21. But if you are 21, you can. And that's my right to be able to do that. I'll give a lifestyle example. We don't enjoy heavy impact play. Right. We're just not into that kink. Doesn't do anything for us. But I'm not gonna ask the manager to ban it. Right. I'm not gonna walk up and I need to speak to the manager, please. You need to stop that.(laughing) I'm doing a lot of impersonation, say. Because I don't think it's my right to yuck somebody else's yum. I don't think it's my right to say what I believe, everybody has to believe. Yeah. I don't believe that swinging is for everybody. And I like swinging. But I 100% believe that it is not for every individual. There are so many people who should just not swing. Absolutely. Just stop, don't do it. I mean, you're being a little funny about that. But I understand, yes, it isn't for everybody. Yeah, if you're a serial cheater. Just that sports aren't for me. 100% and I will probably never surf again because. I don't like any sports, that's just not my thing. I won't watch them, I won't talk about them, I know nothing jack shit about them. Most sports, the indoor sports, you're 100% about them. That's right. I do know some stuff about cycling and that's because of you. Yeah. And maybe some pickleball. And pickleball, we're starting to learn about pickleball. Oh my gosh. It's the biggest rage. Although we're not gonna pick up break dancing again. We saw what happened with Australia, that was not good. So we've talked about why people shouldn't do it and kind of what happens and let's talk a little bit about what we think kind of is driving all of this. We touched on it a little bit. Yeah, another aspect could be what? I think it's jealousy, like you said. Wishing they could be there, wishing that they could have the freedom to express themselves, even in their own relationships. There are a lot of people who participate with swinging, who do not actually swap with other couples. They just play on the bed next to other people. They just play in the same room. Why? Because it's kind of sexy. It's fun. It's very sexy, yeah. We met a couple from North Carolina in Costa Rica, who 100% were not swingers. They were dedicated to each other. They had made the decision that they were not gonna play with other people. It's unfortunate because they were very sexy.(laughing) And we spent a lot of time talking with them. We did. And I think we ended up going to a playroom and playing. Next to them. I don't think we did. We didn't end up playing. We missed it. We missed an opportunity with them. They were leaving just as we were coming in. Yeah. But they weren't offended by it. No. They weren't jealous of it because they're like, hey, you guys do your thing. We've got our own thing. Mm-hmm. We're able to express how we feel in our relationship. We're having a great time. We just like being in the sexy atmosphere. Yeah. And you know what? No offenses. We're taken. Yep. Yep. They were so cute. I love them. I can see them right now, their faces. Because we spent a lot of time talking to them. We did. We spent a lot of vanilla time talking with them. It was great. They were so fun. I wish. They were supposed to build a naked Airbnb in North Carolina. That's right. I wonder if they ever did that. Don't know if they did. I reached out to her about a year ago to see if they-- Check up on that. I should check up on that. Mm-hmm. North Carolina, here we come. Because she said we were always welcome once then. Although North Carolina, I think, was one of those states where we could be arrested for it.(laughing) So I don't know. Maybe we don't go. Although if we're going with them, then we wouldn't be committing adultery because they wouldn't swap with us. That's right. Oh, we're safe. We're back on. It's just nudism. That's it. Just back on. Okay, cool. As far as I know, being naked in North Carolina is not illegal. We'll find out. And naked in public? Yeah, I guess. Or outside? The other one, and I'm gonna go there, and this is gonna cause problems, maybe. I don't know. It's religion. We talked about the Puritans and founding the country on kind of that belief system. Not that the country was founded on Christianity, but that a lot of those kind of religious beliefs came over at that time. There were a whole bunch of different religious beliefs that came over at the same time. But kind of that foundational belief is that there's this moral code, and there's a set of rules that have to be followed, and there's a segment of that population that believes that it is their moral imperative to tell other people to save other people, what it comes down to. And they think that it's their duty to save us from our sins. That's great, but I think most people who are adults and who are making adult decisions have already decided what they wanna do and don't necessarily wanna be told by other adults what to do and what not to do. I'll give them an example. Imagine Satanists coming in, and it's their moral imperative to tell evangelicals how they have to act. How offended would evangelicals be if the Satanists walk up to them and go,"No, no, no, you're not supposed to do that."You're supposed to sacrifice the goat." Right, I know. Not to say this,"Sacrify goat," I'm making-- Things up, yes. A nonsensical example just to prove a point. I know, this happens all the time. The atheists and the, oh, that's the other one. Agnostics? Agnostics. We don't say anything, right? They don't say anything. No, we want adults to make up their own minds. And the very religious think that they can just put upon. And sometimes I feel like saying, "You know, if you do it, why can't I do it?" Right. I had a friend, a coworker one time say to me, she's like, "Yeah, when people say, I'll pray for you," she goes, "I'll light a candle for you." Like a witch, because she was Wiccan. Oh. So she said, "I'll light a candle for you." Wow, that could be, you could interpret that Roman Catholicly. That's true, yes, so they may have not gotten it, but when she described that she was Wiccan, I was like-- It's an inside joke though. Yeah. But I think that that's the key difference in why you and I really like the swinging community, because we are open-minded. Doesn't matter. We do not yuck other people's young. We are not there to tell people that they have to be a size two and have a particular physical appearance or like a particular thing, or you're not a swinger if you don't do full swap. We don't judge people. Yeah, there's a lot of religious beliefs in the lifestyle. I know a lot of Mormons who are, oh, by the way, there's a TV show coming out this Friday. There are a lot of religious-minded people who are in the lifestyle. We've met them. Absolutely. We've met lots of them. Yeah, very nice people. Sure. I know. But they're also clearly not forming the opinions that we're talking about here. Putting their beliefs upon other people. It's kind of silly too. They are open-minded, obviously. At least about swinging. Yeah. Who knows about anything else? Yeah. Which kind of brings me to the last thing before we do our wrap-up, which is this, we've been joking a little bit about this, but it's not really a joking matter. It's actually really serious and it's a big problem in this country where we feel like we have the right to tell other people how to live their lives. There's a difference between telling people not to do something for public safety, drinking and driving, for example, or to wear helmets because the burden on the system, everybody paying for funerals and ambulance services, et cetera, have to pay for somebody who's maimed themselves and blown themselves all over the freeway. By the way, I ride motorcycles. I'm 100% for helmet laws because I understand what happens, but that's not what this is about. This isn't about public safety. This isn't about protecting your neighbors from something happening. As much as you think children might be involved, unless they're drilling holes through the walls and peeping in, they're not gonna see anything because it's not that kind of party. And children are never at the homes or in the hotel's rooms, so they wouldn't even be there to drill the hole. I know, it's ridiculous. It just doesn't happen. So, we as a country need to stop telling adults what to do unless it's a matter of public safety or national security or something, right? I know. Like setting fireworks off and blowing up your neighbor's house. Don't do it. It's bad.(both laugh) But swinging, nobody's getting hurt, except for maybe a little impact play, but there's consent. What about the STIs? What about the STIs? Oh, okay, devil's advocate. All right, let's play devil's advocate. STIs. Sure. What if swinging gets out of control, right? Everyone's doing it, and now the STIs are going up, up, up, up, up, up, up. If you're not having sex with swingers, then you're not gonna catch them. That's true. So, if you are monogamous and you are staying home and you have the lights off and you're having sex with your partner, you're not gonna catch an STI from the neighbors across the street. It doesn't work like that.(both laugh) Unless you're also sharing needles with that neighbor. And if you're doing that, that's a whole other thing. Yeah, that's a whole other thing. Yeah, the epidemic of STIs. Oh, yeah. If potentially, let's carry that further. Let's say it does become epidemic and it becomes a burden on the healthcare system. Yeah, I think that would be a problem. But the problem isn't swinging, the problem is STIs. Or the problem is using appropriate protection, which for most STIs, not all, is a condom. Absolutely, that is the biggest reducer of it. And getting tested regularly helps you to know whether you are infected with something. So that you can address that with an antibiotic or whatever is needed. And or stop playing within the community so you don't spread it. Right. Right. Yes, it's no different than if you were a single person. Right, absolutely. Although, single people shouldn't be having sex out of wedlock, right? Oh my God, that's right. So there you have it. It's just wrong. Fornicators. Fornicators. Oh my God. So in conclusion. Yes. Let's wrap this up because this is just a nightmare. Swinging may not be for everyone, but neither is baseball, knitting or skydiving. Wait, okay, baseball, I agree. Knitting, yeah, I haven't mastered that. Cross-stitch I have. And I have done skydiving. You have done skydiving, but you know what? There are a lot of people who are not interested in skydiving. Oh, that's right. But if you are, the adrenaline rush is real. There you go. Yeah. I don't know, maybe, right? I don't, can't say. Should anyone be allowed to force their personal choices on other adults? Like I said, barring public safety. This is a question that I'm asking you guys. What about the choices of consenting to adults in the privacy of their homes? Should adults be able to have vibrators, for example? Which are, by the way, they're trying to ban contraception and vibrators. There were laws in Texas for a long time about ordering vibrators. It was an offense. And you could be breaking the law because you, Oh my God. I'm gonna say it, fucking bought a vibrator. It's ridiculous. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's another to inflict your opinion on other people. Let us know in the comments, whether you agree with us or you think we're just barking up the wrong tree. Thought you were gonna say, "Batshit crazy." Well, that too.(laughing) Or you can call us at our number, 1-916-538-0482. Tell us all of your thoughts if you want to, or you can email us and reach out to us at swingertuniversity.com. And be sure to check out all of our extra content at patreon.com forward slash swingertuniversity. Once again, thank you all for listening. This has been a bit of a rant, but I think it's an important topic and it's one that affects all of us in the community and anybody else who maybe participates in a hobby that they think other people have a strong opinion about. Let's go eat that crock-pot meal. I think our guests are arriving.(laughing)(upbeat music)