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Overcoming Post-Traumatic Slavery Syndrome
Have you ever caught yourself doubting a product simply because it was made by a Black person? Or feeling the need to change your accent, name, or appearance to "fit in" with non-Black spaces? These seemingly small behaviors reveal a deeper issue Post-Traumatic Slavery Syndrome.
This powerful episode unpacks how slavery's legacy continues to affect our self-perception, creating patterns of self-doubt, fear, and cultural shame that many of us don't even recognize. Through personal stories and thoughtful analysis, we explore how this syndrome manifests in everyday life from avoiding Black-owned businesses to hiding natural hair, from code-switching in white spaces to bleaching our skin to appear lighter.
The journey toward healing begins with awareness. By examining our beliefs and challenging the notion that proximity to whiteness equals success or acceptance, we can start breaking these mental chains. This isn't just about personal liberation it's about creating a world where our children can fully embrace their identity without apology.
Whether you're struggling with these issues yourself or want to better understand them, this episode offers practical steps toward reclaiming cultural pride and authentic self-expression. From embracing African prints to celebrating your natural features, from supporting Black businesses to speaking your native language, every act of cultural celebration is an act of resistance against centuries of conditioning.
Your melanin is beautiful. Your accent is valuable. Your heritage is something to celebrate, not hide. Join us on this journey toward authentic living and help end Post-Traumatic Slavery Syndrome with our generation. Subscribe, share, and leave a comment about your own experiences with cultural identity and self-acceptance.
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Hello and welcome to Authentic Traveling Podcast. I am your host, abiyasunia Ebenezer-Barramudbaran. I am an investor in positive transformation through counseling, life coaching, speaking and also writing books. Have you read my book yet? Inner Harmony Resilience Beyond Chronic Stress and Burnout resilience beyond chronic stress and burnout. This book is available on amazon and also on my website, wwwasebconsultancycom. On this podcast, we talk about our mental health, emotional well-being and also our holistic well-being in order for us to thrive authentically. This is a safe space for you to speak about soulful truth and talk about the things that will help you to come back to yourself and regain your self-awareness. Welcome to the Authentic Podcast once again.
Speaker 1:I have noticed that a lot of people, when they walk into a shop and they find a product that is made by fellow black people or is produced by black people, or a company is owned by a black person, they begin to think and doubt oh, is this product going to be good enough? Is this product going to be of good standard? And this doubt and the fear, thinking that because this product is made by a fellow black person, this product might be substandard. And also when you go for maybe someone submits a quotation different prizes for a job that you want to give out to different contractors and then you see a white-owned company. You tend to lean towards a white-owned company. You tend to lean towards the the white-owned company because you believe that, yes, white people, they tend to do the best service and they tend to be follow the standard and all of that stuff. Or, in some cases, you're one of those that you believe that if your children go to a white populated school, it means that they'll be taught properly, it means that they will excel well in their grade, it means that they'll have better opportunities in life because of them attending that school and in other ways. This theory shows up is a lot. It could be that there are some people that just believe that, oh, we have to work twice as much as other races in order for us to be noticed, in order for us to be validated, in order for us to be given the applaud that we deserve.
Speaker 1:If you exhibit any of this, there is a syndrome that is living with it, and it is called post-traumatic slavery syndrome. Post-traumatic slavery syndrome. This is a condition whereby, as a result of the intense slave slavery that went on years ago, there are still people that their mindset is not filled with fear. Their mindset is full of doubt. Their mindset is filled of dependency on other races in order for you to feel important. These are people. When they are with fellow blacks, they are very outspoken, they can speak very well, they can stand up for themselves themselves. However, when they are in the midst of other races that are not black, they become really subdued, they become really quiet. They can't stand up for themselves. And sometimes it can show up in the workplace, whereby you are doing the bulk of the work and then you allow other people from other races take the glory for it, and then you do not say a word. You keep quiet, because you feel like if I say anything, I might be picked on, so I'm just going to leave it. This is what we call post-traumatic slavery syndrome is a theory that was coined by joy mccreary I hope I pronounced that name right, okay, this theory I found it to be very, very true, because even me, I remember that I used to do that.
Speaker 1:And how did it show up for me? It showed up for me through the way I speak. I remember, when I relocated to the united kingdom, I, when people speak and I pay attention, I'm like, oh wow. Sometimes I even wish I could speak like them. You know, when I just came, maybe that would make me stand out a little bit more, maybe to give me better opportunities and stuff like that. But after a while I begin to realize that I speak good English. My accent might not sound British, but my accent is still very good. It shows where I come from, it shows my roots, it shows my history. Why should I be ashamed of my history? Why should I be ashamed of my roots? That is my identity, that is who I am.
Speaker 1:And when I got into teaching I remember that when students, it became like a conversation starter when I go to schools to teach and the student asked me oh, miss, where are you from? I say, okay, have a guess. Why did you ask me? I said, miss, because of the way you speak your accent. I can't pick up an accent from the way you speak. And I started asking them okay, give me a guess. Some of them like are you South Africa? No, some of them will ask are you Jamaican? No, it just goes to show that they are not well traveled, so they don't really know much. And then I begin to tell them I'm from Nigeria and I say, oh wow, I love the way you speak, say it again, say it again. And I was not embarrassed by it, I was not feeling bad about it, I was actually proud of myself that, as a result of the way I speak, I can have that open opportunity to then speak about where I come from, speak about my culture. So it was a great conversation starter for me to be able to speak about myself from an identity position, not just from my career as a teacher, standing there to teach my subject.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, um, there's some people as well. Um, their name I remember when I also got to the united kingdom my full name is abiyowa and my middle name is sonia. I used to do it as well. Right, it showed up in that. So when people ask me, I remember I used to say Abiyawa, or I would say Abies, like I was fondly called at home. Back home, I would say Abies, and they're like hey, abies, no Abies, huh, abi. Okay, I was like you're not going to bastardize my name, just call me Sonia.
Speaker 1:But after a while I began to realize that my name, the meaning of my name, is powerful. Abiyuwa means born into wealth, and I love the meaning of Sonia. Don't get me wrong. Sonia means wisdom, and I began to embrace myself and, before I knew it, I started calling myself Abia, sonia. So some people will call me Abias, some people will call me Abia Yuwa, some people will call me Sonia.
Speaker 1:I am not comfortable with it. I no longer feel like. If you cannot pronounce it and you feel to call me um Abiyuwa, or if you call me Abiyus, I'll correct you. But if you want to opt for the version of Abiyus, that's also fine by me. If you want to call me Sonia, that's fine. But I'm no longer feeling the pressure to change my name into a western name in order for you to be comfortable to calling my name. I am not very, very comfortable in my skin for me to be able to say yes, that is my name, that is my full name. So if you want to call it like that, it's fine for me abby, that's fine, but my full name is abby. I cannot say it with my full chest, like they were saying.
Speaker 1:So I don't know how post-traumatic slavery syndrome show up for you, but I feel it's time that we begin to, you know, begin to analyze this. There's some people, if their children do not get into a school that is full of black children, they start feeling like, oh, I really didn't know what my child to go. Now you are supposed to use the ofsted rating, you're supposed to use the um, the academic progress in that school, to measure where your child wants to go, not as a result of the population, whether it's full filled with black people or filled with other races that you do not want to be around with a lot. It shouldn't be like that. We should be able to stay with other people in a convertible way, without dimming our lights, without making ourselves feel small, in order for us to feel like we can fit in. Why do you have to fit in when you can stand out? Why do you have to fit in when you can be outstanding? Why do you have to fit in where you can be the standard?
Speaker 1:So this syndrome, it shows up in a lot of things. In a lot of things I remember when I used to have African shop and I used to have a bit of other grocery, other products, and I noticed that those products were not selling, even the people who come into the shop to pick up African products, but when it comes to the Western products they would rather go, come into the shop to pick up african products, but when it comes to the western product, they would rather go to the biggest shop to buy those products. Because in a way, maybe they feel like, yeah, if you go to the biggest shop, they have a better standard of good goods than this, your shop, because you're supposed to be an african, african shop, you're supposed to be african supermarkets're not supposed to be an African supermarket. You're not supposed to be a Western supermarket. It shouldn't be like that. When your people are presenting their item, you should be able to look at them and give them equal value, the way you will give to our counterparts.
Speaker 1:It is so important that we do that we begin to value our things. I know in recent times a lot of people were telling me that, oh, sonia, you really do love your African print. Of course I do. I love my African print. If I have my way, I will wear more African print than the Western print. I will make it in such a stylish way Because even when I wear my African print, I get loads of compliments either ways.
Speaker 1:I get people asking me oh Sonia, you are always in vibrant print. Where did you get this print from Another conversation opener. I begin to tell them this is from my country and if there is any pattern that has a story behind it, I begin to share the story of what they stand for. We like vibrant colors because we are vibrant people. We don't do these dark colors. We don't do dark colors. And even if the color is dark, find a way to bling it up, add a bit of statement to it. It becomes a fashion statement. So I find a way to bring all of these things. So this is my way of saying if there is any African print out there that you want me to rock your products, please drop me a comment. Reach out to me. I'm ready to rock your products on my podcast. Right, and another thing is the air.
Speaker 1:You know our hairstyle. How do we do our hairstyle, our hairstyle? A lot of people are not comfortable with it. Now I'm so guilty of this. The first time that I had to carry my hair after to work was January 2025. You heard me. Yes, you heard me. Most of the time, I have to braid my hair. I have to crochet my hair. I have to face extensions to show for work my hair. I have to fix extensions to show for work. But in a way I just thought maybe as you get older you get comfortable with your own skin, you get comfortable more with yourself. I remember when I did my locks in 2024 in March, the hair was so scanty. I was like, oh, it's not full enough. I can't just go to work like this and people will not recognize me. You know, because when you change your hairstyle, sometimes your colleagues can't even recognize you. They're looking at you funny, trying to look for you inside of you, like, oh, you look different, sonia. Oh, you look different. Oh, it's my hairstyle. Have you changed your hair or something? And oh, is my hair style? Have you changed your hair or something? And I begin to ask different questions. So when my micro locks was matured enough, I decided that it was time for me to launch my hair and ever since I have not looked back.
Speaker 1:I am, one by one, I am breaking that post-traumatic slavery syndrome. I broke it in my fashion, I broke it in my hair. I broke it in my hair and I broke it in other things. I support black-owned products as well. It doesn't mean that because something is made by a black person is inferior. It is not always true. Yes, I know there are some things that are made substandard. However, there are loads of things that our people make with loads of standard put into it, with loads of authenticity put into it as well. So if you're out there, you are looking down on our African products because it's African-made. This is me telling you wake up. You are going through post-traumatic slavery syndrome. Break out of it. Break out of it. I'm going to talk about it, how to break out of it.
Speaker 1:If you're one of those that you feel like your children, when they're in the mist, when they're out, you don't want them to speak. You're like bring your voice down. Bring your voice down. I don't want everyone looking at me. I'm not saying we should talk very loudly, but allow your children to be themselves. You also be yourself. You don't have to speak through your nose in order for you to feel accepted wherever you are.
Speaker 1:This is my accent. I love my accent. I love it so much that I feel like it makes me stand out. I can decide to switch and switch into a more British accent and start speaking in the world, but how long am I going to sustain that? That is me appearing fake. It is me appearing fake. If you have the accent, naturally you can sustain it, then go for it. But if you know you're not going to be able to sustain it, why don't you just stick to the asset and speak the way that will be comfortable, as long as you are coherent, as long as you are eloquent, as long as you are audible.
Speaker 1:What is the challenge and what is the problem? These things are so important for us to be aware of post-traumatic slavery syndrome because our children are losing their confidence as a result of that. They are losing their confidence. You see your child. We tell them I can't make your hair this week. Why don't you go to school with your afro hair? You see that you are throwing tantrum. No, I can't go to school like that. My hair is messy. Everybody will be touching my hair. Everybody will be touching my hair. Everybody will be asking questions. They'll be asking what happened to your long hair. Get used to it. If you have to go to school with your Afro hair, go to school with your Afro hair. Remember that hair is what makes you unique as well. So why don't you rock it freestyle and just enjoy it already? So why don't you rock it freestyle and just enjoy it already.
Speaker 1:There are other people that bleach their skin because they believe that the lighter my skin is, the more beautiful I am. Who sold you that lie? Who sold you that lie? Your melanin is beautiful. Rock it the way it is. Bleaching makes people stink. It makes people smelly. If you stop using that cream today, your skin is not going to remain white. So what is the reason that you are spending your time bleaching layers and layers and layers of your skin off? At the end of the day, you start smelling funky and there is also chances of skin cancer. Why would you want to hurt yourself, intentionally or even out of ignorance, because you want to look beautiful? Black is beautiful. There are different shapes of black. Rock your black the way it is. Rock it and rock it fully, in a stylish and in a beautiful way. Remember our white counterparts. They also go on the sunbed to get their skin tanned so that their skin can have a bit of melanin, and we, on the other hand, we are bleaching our skin in order for us to look white and pale.
Speaker 1:What is the confusion? Why are you might be never satisfied with what they have? We always prefer the things that we do not have. This is the reason why a lot of people it affects their mental health. You know me, I love anything about our mental well-being being sound, being great and being holistic. If you want to have a good mentality, it is high time you get rid of the slave mindset where you are fearful because you show up with audacity. Where you are fearful because you show up the way you are because you feel like I'm too much. Who told you you're too much? Don't dim your light for anyone.
Speaker 1:It's time for us to get away that doubt, that fear, that worry that we might not blend in. Why do you have to blend in? Don't blend in. Stand out. You speak your voice. Be proud of your voice. Be proud of the way you look. Your lips is full. Be proud of it. Do you know that people are not injecting their lips with botox in order for them to have the rounded, full African lips and you, on the other hand, you're biting your tongue, biting your lips in order for you to hide your lips when you're speaking to people.
Speaker 1:What is absolutely the problem? Why? You are made in the likeness and in the image of God. You are beautiful, you are awesome. You are amazing exactly the way you are, your family, your friends and everybody that you love, and I'm really working hard to ensure that I bring useful and valuable information that will help you in your mental and emotional well-being so that you begin to thrive authentically. You know a lot of us will feel we have to wait until something happens before we become reactive, but with this podcast, I am trying to give you information that will make you proactive, so you don't even have anything to react to in the end, because you are looking after yourself properly. So what are you waiting for?
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Speaker 1:Now let me tell you one story. I remember when I I sent my daughter to school with her afro hair and her friends came to meet me at the end of school, some of them who came with their parents and were like hi, hi, I'm like hello, and they're like please, can you do my hair like I was. I said what do you mean? Like tie it into two ponytail? No, make it like the way the texture it is. I said I'm sorry, darling, I can't do that for you because I was. He is naturally Afro and yours is silky because that's the way you were born. So, unfortunately, I can't do it for you the way you want me to do it, because I just say it's natural and yours is natural, we cannot make your hair afro. Oh, and the mom was like oh, it's so beautiful, it's so nice. I'm like oh, thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Your afro, your afro look is beautiful, rock it like that, rock it like that, rock it like that, your print. So it is something very stylish and show up like that. Whenever I'm going to any event or conference, I always ensure I had a bit of my afro in it, either in the way I dress, either in my fashion, in terms of my hairstyle, either in my bag or in my accessories. It's just so beautiful. It makes you really really stand out and look beautiful. Your identity, you're showing up with your full identity.
Speaker 1:For those of you that are putting your children in a widely populated school just because you want them to speak in certain way through their nose, we have to be very mindful, because I've seen cases where children are isolated. They are isolated and it makes them feel very, very inferior sometimes, because, imagine, every other person have their clique and your child is often on their own. How do you think that child is going to feel? Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't associate with other race. We should associate with other race. However, everything should be done in moderation. Do not leave your race just because you have some mindset about them that anything about your race is inferior and anything about other people's race is more superior than yours. That mindset is a slave mentality. Wipe it off now.
Speaker 1:If, if you are exhibiting any of these things that I've discussed today, you feel like any product that is not, that is from africa is inferior, you have slavery mentality. If you one of those, you are not proud of your Afro hair, you can't even wait. As you are taking the extensions off, you are fixing it again. As you are taking the extensions off, you are fixing it again. You have a slavery mentality. If you are one of those, you are toning your skin not for your skin to be lighter than it should be and you don't want your melanin. You have a slavery mentality. If you have done any of this and I've told you I used to have some of them as well I have assessed myself. So if you want to assess yourself, pay attention.
Speaker 1:First, ask yourself the belief that you have. Where is it coming from? The belief that whenever you want to do business, you have to do it with someone else from another race and not from your people. Even though I know our people are not perfect. Same with other race, they are not also perfect. You have the cowboy contractors. You also have the cowboy black contractors as well. However, there are so many competent contractors, so many competent professionals that are black as well. Why are you are so many competent contractors, so many competent professionals that are black as well, why are you not giving them a chance? So, when you want to do that, you need to ask yourself why am I making this decision? Why am I making this choice?
Speaker 1:If you're hiding your Afro materials or Afro clothes under your suitcase you only bring it out when you're going to church on Sunday Then ask yourself, why can't you wear it to work? I'm not asking you to wear booboo and hiru to work. I'm just saying, if you have the model, why can't you wear it to work? What is wrong with that Right Now? There are some cases now where our children are being penalized for showing up with Afro-S styles. It shouldn't be like that. We should be able to advocate for our children to show up with their Afro-S styles in school without being harassed. And there are some cases whereby you're telling your child bring your hood down, bring your hood down, bring your hood down. Don't do this, don't do that, don't speak loudly. Bring your voice down. Bring your hood down. Don't do this, don't do that. Don't speak loudly. Bring your voice down, speak very lowly, bring your volume down. It's like you just want to hide. I'm not encouraging people to be loud, but I'm encouraging people to be authentic. After all, it is authentic, thriving podcast.
Speaker 1:So identify your belief. Where is it from? If your belief is rooted under fear fear of who? If your belief is rooted under doubts. What are you doubting? If your belief is rooted under dependency on other races? Where does it come from? How so, where did you find that and what can you do about it? So, after you know, challenge your belief. You acknowledge that you are doing it like I did. Why do I not feel comfortable with my Afro hair, even though it was difficult to style? Why don't you find other ways to style the hair so I'll be able to take it to work or to school, like that? You can still wear extensions, but feel free to also have your Afro hair out and let it get a bit of sunshine.
Speaker 1:So check your belief, acknowledge it and then begin to ask yourself questions. What do I do in order for me to be able to make better changes? How do I change this? Make both step and begin to walk yourself through this. What do I need to do? There are some people, when they want to buy a house, they have to buy a house in a very white area, and their neighbor don't even speak to you. What is wrong with you buying a house? Because the area is very good. The fact that there are loads of people like yourself or from other races doesn't mean that the area is going to be more safe. It's not always the case. There are areas with professionals that have the same skin colour as us, and that area is also very, very safe. So you need to talk about it openly, affirm yourself and say to yourself that this is your identity. You cannot change it and learn to love yourself just the way you are. Love yourself the way you are.
Speaker 1:We keep talking about racism, that people don't respect us. People segregate us. You are doing it yourself. We segregate ourselves. We don't appreciate the way we are, we don't appreciate things that come from us, we don't appreciate to be around each other, and then we're talking about racism. What are we talking about? We should start from home. Charity, they say, begins from home, and they begin to talk about it openly.
Speaker 1:Let your children see it. They are making these changes. Address this belief. Correct it with your children. Let them know their Afro is beautiful. Let them know their accent doesn't have to be sounding so, so, um, whatever they are from, wherever they as in whatever country that you're in if you're outside of Nigeria, it doesn't have to sound like that. Their accents should be good English, well spoken, eloquent, audible, and that's fine. Okay.
Speaker 1:And then also our clothes. What is wrong with us wearing our clothes? Our food as well? And this is another thing that we do where we call it akara. And they were like oh, it's fried beans, it's fried. It's fried processed beans. What's fried processed beans? And then there's another one they call they call it um pandan yam. Oh, it's like a mashed potato. It's mash yam. There is no such thing as mash yam. Oh, it's like a mashed potato. It's mashyam. There is no such thing as mashyam. It is panded yam. Right, it is pandu. That's what they call it.
Speaker 1:And then you, like, you're given different names. Have you ever seen an asian person call their food english name? They call it the name from their country. If you cannot pronounce it, leave it sushi. What is the english version of sushi? Sushi is. Sushi is an is an asian food. If you can't call it chinese food, if you can't call it sushi, forget about it. Shawarma, do you see anybody go? Oh, the english name is this it is called shawarma. If you can't pronounce it, forget about it.
Speaker 1:The indians have rice that is almost like jollof rice. They call it briyani. If you can't pronounce it, forget about it. The Indians have rice that is almost like jollof rice. They call it briyani. If you can't pronounce briyani, forget about it. So when we have our African food, we have the akara.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you another funny story, right? So I used to teach food technology and the students we had Black History Month. Oh, my goodness, I used to love October. October was one of my best months in my teaching years. So what I would do, I would buy. I would have to incorporate that into the syllabus, and even my high teacher was so proud of it, even showed it to the upstate inspectors when I came. She was proud of it because me, I was proud of my culture first, before she became proud of it. You don't want people. You are complaining that people are not proud of my culture first, before she became proud of it. You don't want people. You are complaining that people are not proud of your culture. You yourself, you are not proud of it. So I was proud of it. I told her it's black history month.
Speaker 1:What are we doing? Um, in school, because I want to bring african food to scotia. Was that? Oh, sonia, that's so interesting. I was like, yeah, so I brought okra, they made okra, they made a goosey. They made beans, they made dodo, they made puff, puff. Right, they made uh, fufu. And I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 1:When I was talking to about talking to the student about this food, they started asking me miss, how come everything is, is is pronounced twice. So what do you mean? Dodo, fufu, puff, puff, moi, moi. Oh, that was a funny one, and you know what I told him. I was like oh, so that you'd be able to learn how to pronounce it faster, because if you pronounce it puff, you wouldn't remember. So that you'll be able to learn how to pronounce it faster, because if you pronounce it puff, you wouldn't remember. So if you go puff, puff, if you go moi, moi, if you go do do, if you go do do, then you'll be able to remember. Oh, really, I say yeah, so you'll be able to learn how to pronounce it properly.
Speaker 1:How are you celebrating your culture? How are you celebrating your identity? How are you showing up with your identity? I make other people go, wow, I want to know more about this culture. How are you showing up for it? Everything that I missed out. I am correcting it one after the other. So ask yourself your belief. Where is it from Acknowledge where the errors are from. Talk about it openly with your children, let them be comfortable in their own skin and if you are still struggling with it, come to me. I will help you. I will help you to reconnect to your identity.
Speaker 1:We must be delivered from post-traumatic slavery syndrome and start with us. Let it end with our generation, where our children? They can wear African prints to their prom. They can wear their African prints anywhere. Have you seen the Asians? They wear their clothes everywhere.
Speaker 1:The next one I'm going to be tackling is the language barrier as well. I need to start teaching my children more of my language so that I can help them. That also is post-traumatic slavery syndrome. When I start speaking my language, their accent is going to be ruined. Who told you your accent is going to be ruined? You can still speak very, very eloquently and nothing is going to ruin your accent. We need to get off thinking that anything that is white is superior. When we are within the proximity of white people, it determines that we are posh. It determines that we are of high standard.
Speaker 1:That belief is a sad and a slavery mindset originated. That is a surviving conditioning that slavery has left behind for us and we are still dwelling in it. We need to start breaking this stereotype and start moving forward. It starts with me, it starts with you. So we have come to the end of this podcast. What are you going to do about it? When are you going to stop shrinking in order to feel safe and accepted? When will your healing begin? My healing has begun and I feel liberated.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, when the sun is too hot in the UK, I feel like removing my wig, but I can't. I start tapping my head. Tapping my head is so ridiculous, but right now I can even pour a bit of water if the sun is too hot and I'm not afraid if my wig is going to be ruined Because it's my own natural hair. What are you going to do? Stop shrinking, stop being ashamed of your people, stop being ashamed of your identity. Be delivered from post-traumatic slavery syndrome. This has been Authentic Triven Podcast. I hope you have enjoyed this and also it will take time to reflect and begin to make necessary adjustments and begin to celebrate your identity. Teach your children to also be confident in their identity. Build their confidence. Build their confidence. My name remains Abiy Sonia. I have been your host. Take care, and God bless right.