3 Miracles After Seven IVFs - Miscarriage and Etopic Pregnancy

We share Kemi’s fierce and tender journey through endometriosis, seven IVFs, loss, depression, radical kindness, and a surprise natural conception. Faith, community, and simple daily habits turn a long wait into a story of courage and restoration.

• Safe space for mental, emotional and holistic well-being
• Marriage, waiting and early medical all-clear
• Emergency surgery and endometriosis explained
• First ART attempts, OHSS and learning curves
• US trip, financial barriers and unexpected benefactors
• Twin pregnancy, preterm labour and grief
• Ectopic scare, prayer and medical monitoring
• A daughter’s birth after a critical scare
• Miscarriage, depression signs and medication errors
• Finances, marriage strain and renewed resolve
• Doctor-funded treatment and second child
• Evangelism, job search and natural conception
• Practical wellness: sleep, siesta, brisk walks, diet, water
• Encouragement for listeners on the waiting line

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Chapters

• 0:00 Safe Space And Guest Introduction
• 2:43 Marriage, Waiting, And Early Tests
• 5:12 Emergency Surgery And Diagnosis
• 7:05 Understanding Endometriosis
• 9:00 First ART Attempts And OHSS
• 11:02 US Trip, Unexpected Help, And IVF
• 13:45 Twin Pregnancy And Devastating Loss
• 16:15 Second IVF, Ectopic Scare, And Faith
• 19:45 Third IVF Success And Crisis Of Movement
• 22:10 A Daughter’s Birth And Renewed Hope
• 24:30 Fourth And Fifth IVF: Kindness And Miscarriage
• 27:35 Depression, Medication Errors, And Setbacks
• 30:40 Finances, Marriage Strain, And Resolve
• 33:00 A Doctor’s Email And Paid Treatment
• 35:20 Second Child Arrives And Life Rebuilds
• 37:05 Evangelism, Job Hunt, And Natural Conception
• 39:10 Reflections, Encouragement, And Faith Declarations
• 41:10 Rest, Wellness Habits, And Closing Gratitude

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:23

This book is available on Amazon and also on my website www.aseconsultancy.com. On this podcast, we talk about our mental and emotional well-being and also our holistic well-being in order for us to drive authentically. This is a safe space for you to speak about soulful truth and talk about the things that will help you to come back to yourself and regain your self-awareness. Welcome to the Authentic Podcast once again. Hello, on this episode, we are I'm going to be interviewing a very special guest. But I'm going to allow her to introduce herself. For those of you that do not know me, my name is Avia Sonia, and I would like to welcome you to Authentic Driving Podcast again. So my guest today is I'll call her Mrs. Kemi Fadek. So please introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22

Thank you for having me, Sunia. Thank you. Um, my name is Fadeke Ulua Kemi Babatunde.

unknown: 1:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30

Um, I'm so excited to be here. It's a thanks for having me here. It's a privilege to be on this platform. Um, Fadike is the first of five children. I'm the eldest. We are um eldest, and I have four siblings, four, three younger sisters and a brother. I was privileged to be raised by good parents. It's a privilege to have good parenting. Yes. My late dad did all he could to give us the best education within his reach as a civil servant. So he was an administrator, my mom, a teacher, and I thank God for my life. It's been a great one.

SPEAKER_03: 2:18

Thank you so much, and Kemi, for joining us, and thank you for honoring our invitation as well. I do not take that for granted. So today we're going to be discussing more about you. And um, my first question is um about your story, about your journey being a mother and everything. If you just like to share with us, and then from there we're going to unpick um as you go along.

SPEAKER_01: 2:48

Wow, it's it's a it's a journey full of great ups and downs, but there are a lot of learning curves there, and in awe of those pleasant moments and a few unpleasant moments, I experienced divine backup. Yes, God was still with us, He didn't leave us at any time. Talking about our experience, um, I got married in the year 22 um 2007 to my beloved husband, and um, when I married, I was in another state, like eight hours drive. Wow. So I was prepared to get a transfer back after three months, right? And interestingly, you know, we were Christians indeed. So we had a beautiful courtship um period, and we were in we were so excited, you know the excitement on our first wedding anniversary. It didn't occur to us that there was no child, we were just excited, we were happy that we are finally married. By the second year, on our second wedding anniversary, my mother-in-law and my mother called at different times to pray with us uh for us as usual. And then that was when they began to ask, what happened? You guys don't have a child. Are you guys not ready to have children? You are no longer young, you took your time to get married. That was when I my husband was like, That's true. It's interesting, you know, when you just enjoy marriage, we didn't think of children. So a month or two months after we went for to the hospital and we were cleared that everything was well with us. And we began the journey. We did all manner of tests, we received a clean medical bill that all was well with us. And we that was when I began to declare, you know, I didn't know the experience was going to be like that. And we began to, we did all sorts of within the confines of health management, and as a child of God, we didn't go outside of faith. And suddenly, after in the fifth year, in the fourth year, I was rushed to the hospital. It was an emergency, and I found myself in the theater, and that was when um they found out that I had an ovarian system that was it had busted. Oh wow, but it just busted. So they were able to help me, they brought it out, and that was when the true condition of my womb was sin. And the professor said, I'm a Christian, but with the condition of your womb, there was no way you could be pregnant, you can't be pregnant naturally, and we were shocked. I was like, I kept myself, you know, it's not about that, it's just there are times that you we have to go through some experiences, and that was how we were advised that it's either we go do um artificial insemination or preferably we go through Ivy H. That was as a result they found out that all right after the surgery. We were told that I had endometrosis, that my entire uterus was grossly scarred, that fertilization couldn't even take place. Besides, implantation would be a bit difficult.

SPEAKER_03: 6:48

Okay, if you don't mind me asking, if you don't mind me asking, I just want to quickly have heard of that word endometriosis a lot. What does it actually mean?

SPEAKER_01: 7:00

Proud to that discovery, I didn't know anything about it. Okay, all I knew was that as a young girl during my menstrual circle, it used to be very hurtful. I'll be stolen, I'll have bone pain all through.

SPEAKER_03: 7:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 7:18

And with severe cramping, this cramping feels like labor.

SPEAKER_03: 7:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 7:22

At times I pass out, oftentimes I'll be admitted in the hospital. And I'm I'm based in Nigeria, so uh uh medical diagnosis uh sometimes, not all the time, but they didn't discover detect that. So that was it. I didn't know anything about endometrosis until after the surgery. Wow, all I knew was that I had a painful, a terribly painful menstrual circle. It was very painful. It was after then we began to read about what endometrosis meant when we found out that it's growth that are not supposed to, it shouldn't take place, right? You know, when you have to have a smooth surface and something is growing, is that like fiber? Is it like fibroid? No, it's like um a web spongy. Oftentimes, can cannot bring it out, right? Except they do a key o surgery to take a sample from the uterus. So prior to then, such was not done, and uh there was nothing when I do hormonal profiling, it will not bring it out, right? There was it wasn't a a bulky growth, it was just like a spongy. There was no way imaging. I don't know if now with the improvement in technology, it could be discovered, but then there was nothing of such. Wow, so it was a surgery that opened that opened us to that, right?

SPEAKER_03: 8:55

Okay, thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_01: 8:59

So after the surgery, we were advised um to go to do IVF, and um after then I I persuaded my husband because he believed so much in supernatural conception. He believed we are Christians. We were privileged to have our first house early in marriage, the third year in our marriage, and we named our children's room. When you get to our living room, you will not know there are no children in the house. We had a playground in the living room, special corner for kids, such that my friends' children, when they come around, they know their sport with a lot of toys. You know, we believed that we were going to have our children right on sport when we understood that we needed them, but it didn't come that way. Wow, our God is just so good. So I did the first um artificial insemination that nearly killed me because I was overstimulated, besides um the um artificial um reproductive technology knowledge then in Nigeria, the death of knowledge then was not as deep as now. Yes, that was in the year 2012, uh 12. Right. So the same doctor that was the endocrinologist, was the same that was the sonologist, was you know, that we interestingly, and after the procedure, I was overstimulated. I had OHSS over stimulation of the hormone, and my stomach was bulgy, painful, it was crazy, I couldn't turn. I spent seven days in the hospital. And my husband was like, I told you, let's wait. God will give us children. God will give us children. I said, Okay. That was the first experience. So the the first high yo high failed. And thereafter, I told my husband, Since I've been married, we've never gone on a serious vacation. It's been walk, walk, walk. We're both bankers in Nigeria then. So it was quite hectic for us. So I told him, I think it's we are due for a vacation. And we picked our location, and that was in the United States. So after one week, two weeks into the vacation, um, our host we asked, please, can you refer us to any fertility center that you know in this neighborhood? And that was when we went to the hospital and um we began the journey. It was a journey full of grace because while we were going, the money we took with us, we didn't know it was that expensive in the United States. And immediately we had the amount. I told my husband, let's go back home. He told us that it's cheaper and cheaper in India, and we agreed the next morning. God is good, Sonia. Indeed. Our host came and was discussing. He said, What are your plans? He said, When our vacation is over, we are going back home. He said, What about this? He said, What we have cannot be enough. He said, Let's go back to the hospital. And he made the in the payment, the bulk, he paid like 70%. In fact, he paid the entire medical bill. Wow. Not it wasn't a gift. Borrowed us, and we agreed on repayment plan, the terms of repayment, which was comfortable for us, and it was okay. But we told him there was no way we could return it in less than a year. So we gave him a 15-month repayment plan, and he agreed to it. That was very generous, very generous of him. So generous. There are angels everywhere. Wow, God sent he was not just our host, he bankrolled the initial IVF treatment. So the money we had with us was what we used to buy medication. That was all it could have done. So um, if you go remember what I sent last year, October, I appreciated people that God put across our path. That was the first experience of help. God sent us timely help without requesting, we didn't ask for it. So, and the procedure was I don't like to discuss the procedure for my I don't like discussing it because I had a lot of injections. I had to learn how to inject myself. Um, severally, you know, that must have been very, very intrusive.

SPEAKER_03: 13:48

It's okay, you can share as much as you're comfortable with that. That is fine. That's fine.

SPEAKER_01: 13:55

And um, by the end of it, on the it was on my husband's birthday, uh he had to travel back to Nigeria because his flight was in the morning, my appointment in the hospital was in the afternoon. I went and I was confirmed pregnant with twins. Yes, I should tell you that um 20 32 eggs were harvested. 32 I was yes, 32. I was 32, yes, I was 32 years old then. I was just laughing when I had 32. I said, Wow, that was my age, and after the entire processing, we had eight viable embryos. Wow, so and because we had limitation in funding, we were asked if we wanted to do further um test so that we would be able to do gender selection. Um, I can't remember what they call it now, but we couldn't, we just said whatever God gives us, we are okay. All we want is children from God. Doesn't matter, their gender was not important to us. We just wanted children. Interestingly, by the time I knew the gender, they were two boys, yes. So I came back home to Nigeria, we returned back to work and um continued. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed our pregnancy. My husband pampered me. Oh blessing.

SPEAKER_03: 15:26

So by now, how long had you waited in um before um the twins?

SPEAKER_01: 15:31

That was the 50th.

SPEAKER_03: 15:33

The fifth, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01: 15:35

Okay, yes, the fifth. If not for the emergency surgery, we would still be praying, believing God. But when they told us, fine, there is nothing God cannot do, and that's the truth. To everyone listening to this podcast, there is nothing God cannot do. Absolutely, we will still see what God has done in my life. You will hear, so that was why we opted for the IIVF um um procedure.

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SPEAKER_01: 17:41

And suddenly I just began to feel some pain. Prior to then, I've been having some cramps, and I will tell my husband, I feel like I am having menstrual pain, mild menstrual pain. I didn't know it was labor. So every time it happens, I go to the hospital. Every time for like four weeks, I didn't know. So the last time I went to the hospital, my husband said, Come on, you have a diagnostic center opposite your office. Go run a check for infection, which I did. Unfortunately, the next day I put to bed at 27 28 weeks. 28 weeks, yeah, and um like I said, I'm in Nigeria. Um, the babies did not survive more than 72 hours. The two weeks.

SPEAKER_03: 18:29

Oh, I am so sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 18:32

Wow, we we lost those boys, and we were still indebted to our friend who assisted us. So when it happened, we surmant courage again. My husband told me, Come, do we have children? I said yes, we are having our children. And we sat down, we both agreed. What do we want to do? I said, I will not stop except it is not medically safe for me. I'll keep doing this. And he asked me, How are we going to bankroll this? I said, God help us. The God that made someone to pay, I wouldn't want to discuss the amount. Yeah, that's fine. Anybody can just um I got treated at Shady Groove Fertility Center, Rockville, Maryland. It's enormous for Africans. I don't know. In Nigeria, it's enormous for us. So I said, we will not stop. And he held my hand that they said, God, we have agreed, give us our children, whatever it will take you for us to have our children, help us, and we agreed. So after I went for another IVF treatment in the year 2013, I went back to the states, and the same procedure went through. This time around, there was nothing to, it was just to transfer the embryo. So I there was nothing to stimulate, there wasn't any monarchation just to take a few medications to prepare my body. And while we were rejoicing, after I think 21 days, I can't remember now, I was confirmed pregnant. So, from because of the event of the loss of the boys, they said there was no way they were going to transfer two embryos anymore.

unknown: 20:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 20:31

So it has to be one okay for the safety of for my safety and to have a positive outcome, which makes a lot of sense medically. And while we were celebrating that, and I was going to for my blood work on I think every two days to go for my blood work, and after two weeks, or yes, that was when I received a call from my nurse, and she said, I'm sorry, I don't know what's happening. Your beta ECG is dropping. It's it's increasing, but it's not doubling. I said, What could be the cause? She said, I don't know, but I I I we we are suspecting it could be an ectopic pregnancy. Oh wow, so I was called in the next day, they did a scan, and they found out that the baby was not in the uterus, though I was I tested positive and the beta ECG was increasing, but it stopped doubling at a point.

SPEAKER_03: 21:42

So the beta ECG is that like um hormonathine for someone that is pregnant, yes, right.

SPEAKER_01: 21:47

That's yes, that indicates pregnancy, just like that strip. Yes, when it's high, it brings it out.

SPEAKER_03: 21:54

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_01: 21:55

That's the hormone. I'm sorry, I'm not a scientist. It's okay that much now. When I had and it was confirmed that it was a topic, and they gave me two days that it's either they operate on me because my life was in danger, or they give me a medication. But the the the the the the limitation of the medication was that I must not be pregnant within one year, else I will give back to an abnormal child irrespective of the means of conception. I must not be pregnant within a year. I ran to church that night I could not sleep. Sonia, God is great. Yes, I went to I attend Winners Chapel in Nigeria, then Winners Chapel in um near Carrington before they moved to Bowie now in Maryland. I saw the pastor, I rushed immediately after the second service. He said, What do you want? He had he listened to my case, and he I don't know pastors weep. He said, My father, do what you can do. And he asked me, What do I want? I said, I want the baby to go back to the uterus. He said, Lord, I don't know what to pray about. Do the best for your daughter, she must not die, and she doesn't want to go through any surgery. Besides, there was no money for surgery. There was no money. And while I opened my mouth as he anointed me, instantly I began to feel the flow of blood in my body before standing up while I knelt down when he wanted to anoint me. Sonia, our God works in great ways. And I went to the bathroom instantly to check myself. I found out that there was a flow of blood. I called the hospital, they told me to check in instantly. So I went back to the hospital, they observed me, and they were scared so that it won't be something dangerous because it was a 50-50 thing. It could be that their topic pregnancy is ruptured. It could be dangerous or it could be safe. So I was monitored for 24 hours, and by the time they did my beta CG the next day, they found out that it has dropped a little, but they weren't sure. So I was under monitoring, and with three days after they were like, What we had, what did you do? What did you take? I wasn't opened up, no surgery, no medication. The baby came down by itself. The baby came up by itself, yes, right by itself. Wow, so it's still a mystery to me because I later understood what ectopic pregnancy meant, and I was shocked.

SPEAKER_03: 25:10

It means it was not in the womb. So when they said they wanted to do the oppression for you was to help you evacuate it so that the because there is um if the baby is not in the womb and it's getting bigger, that could endanger your life. Yeah, so you're telling us that without no oppression, nothing the baby floats, no medication. No, you're the bottle. You said you said it is a mystery to you. I've been forgotten where you went. You didn't say you went to church and you made a request. Yeah, it's I'm amazed every time I remember, I am always amazed at this video.

SPEAKER_01: 25:52

Um thereafter, I went, I came home, empty, no child. I remember when I got back home, I was sad. I came back to Nigeria. My husband came to pick me, and when we're coming, he said, because I'm resident in Kara State, I was four hours to Lagos.

SPEAKER_03: 26:13

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 26:14

He said, Don't worry, God got God has our back. God has our back. He said, We have prayed. Um, prophecies has gone ahead of us. The word works and it will prevail. I said, Yes. So the third time I went again, and that was the third IVF. I was pregnant again. I delivered my daughter in 2015.

SPEAKER_03: 26:49

Wow, congratulations!

SPEAKER_01: 26:51

Yes, yes, wow, and um I was always looking at her. The devil is a bastard. On the 24th of February to 2014, she stopped. We I observed for like a week there wasn't any movement. So when I went to the hospital, um, I delivered in uh Missouri, so I had to go to a community hospital that was not affordable for me. I was referred to a bigger hospital where I had planned to have my baby because they did a stress test and they said the baby was breathing, but the heart rate was slow, and they observed that the baby was not moving as she should. And when I called during in the peak of winter, December in Missouri, Kansas City, I did not know that I had lost myself. I I entered the road in the snow. I did not know, all cars just stopped. I did not know. So it was one old woman that came to pick me on the road and said, Woman, you're good. Before I knew I was on the highway. Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 28:07

So your state of mind, let's just sit a little bit here. How was your state of mind? Because I know you have the support of your husband, and I know uh I can imagine that must have made a lot of difference to you. It was in Nigeria, exactly. That was what I was just gonna say. That at this time it's in Nigeria, you are in the US. So when they gave you that, when you when you heard that news that he had slowing down, can you just reflect? How was your state of mind? Because for you, it for you to be in the middle of the road, you were not even aware.

SPEAKER_01: 28:37

I lost my mind, and when the woman held me and um I got to the bus stop. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done that. Usually I would just order my cab. I looked and I remembered one of the songs we used to sing when I did my A-levels that God did not bring me all this facts to take me back again. He brought me out to take me to my promised land. Indeed. Though there are giants on my way, I will not be troubled anymore. He brought me out to take me to my promised land. My promised land was my life baby. Immediately I had that. I called my girlfriend that was my host, that was that gave me accommodation. I said, This and this. She started crying, said no. Come and meet me in Truma Medical Center. I'm going there now. When you are coming, I'm hungry. Bring food. I want to eat Amala. Bring food for me. He said, What other thing? I said, Bring my popcorn. He said, Are you serious? He said, Do you know what will happen? I said, I don't know. What I know is I'm having my child. So I got to the hospital, you know. Did all sorts, and they were like they need to watch me, or maybe they will take me to emergency. And I called, I didn't call my husband all through that time because I knew it was in a meeting, right? So I now he called me. I now called him. I said this. He said, put the phone on your tummy. He said, baby, your daddy's talking. I'm I'm coming to come and cut your code. So enough of sleep. Wake up. Sonia. That was it. That was all. And movement began. And I was on bed rest that day till evening. They said I should go home. I had my daughter on the 9th of January 2015. The event happened 24th December. And my husband came around on the 30th of December. Yes, he cut the code. God, he told, I'm coming to cut your code. No, you will not be taken before your time. I will be there to cut your code. Wake up, you know for sleeping. Wake up. And that was it. I had my first daughter.

SPEAKER_03: 31:06

Let's just discuss your face, please. Let's sit down here a little bit. You know, it said, um, one which is a thousand, but two which is ten thousand, right? We not chase, we put it to fly. So your husband added his faith to yours. How did you feel?

SPEAKER_01: 31:27

How did you feel when he said, baby, wake up? Wake up. I'm coming to cut your code. No, no, prayer. He didn't pray. So the declaration in faith. Yeah, I am coming to cut your code. Wake up. Don't stop sleeping. Wake up. Stop sleeping. You have added the cushion there is enough. Wake up and stop stressing us. Wake up. I'm coming to cut your code. And that was all.

SPEAKER_03: 31:53

Because you know, prior to this, you were getting a little bit tired. You were confused. And that was brought you back to your um Sonia. And you called your friend.

SPEAKER_01: 32:05

How was your faith? Yes, I don't know how I felt. It was like my life was out. If you I cannot express what happened, everything I blanked out, although I blanked out in my you know when you're walking and you are not there.

SPEAKER_03: 32:25

Yeah, the association, the association from your own self. As if you're watching the film, it's not even you. You know, for anybody that is out there right now, if you're out there right now, you're going through similar things like this. I'm sitting on this fate part with um Kermy because I wanted to see that. I know some people like, oh yeah, I just waited and all of this. So we know, but just see this. Different people experience it. Even when your fate is sorry, even when your faith is strong, there will be some days you have dips. This is why I'm sitting on here. There will be the days that you have dips. She had that dip and God placed that angel of a woman to jack her back to a reality. That thank God she was not hit by a car. And then when she came back to hold her full identity of who she is, she told her friend to bring her mala and bring popcorn, and then she then rang her husband who added his own faith to boost her one up. You know, sometimes we just need our support system around us. We need people that will bring us, remind us of who we are, our identity. Please carry on.

SPEAKER_01: 33:26

Thank you. And um I had my first daughter, I can't but smile. It was an experience. I and when the nurses and doctors look at how I'm looking, I remember vividly how I felt in bed, and my husband has in Yoruba, shot it on here. Is that whole? It's over. Oh is that all? Said yes, it's over. And we declared over her, and one of those things I declared over her was you will not be my only child because we never liked to have one. I don't like it personally. We all have our desires and choices, yes. So that day we said, You it's not going to be only you. You have male, younger ones, and female. You are not going to be our only child. And God had us. And um, in the year 2016, we decided that I told my husband, I'm no longer working. Besides, if I pick a job, I will still have to travel for IVF procedure. No employer will want to without being confirmed that no, it doesn't make sense. I said, let me just have this break. Have all the children I want to have, then I'll bounce back to my job, to my career. And so 2016, I traveled again and it failed. I explained it failed. I wept. Oh God did something this time around. I I found myself there is there are always ravings for us.

SPEAKER_04: 35:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 35:41

Ravings in human form at every stage of our life. Please bear in mind I don't have any family member in the state. United States is not a small place. It's not at all, at all, at all. No, I don't have a family. Um, my friend I delivered with in Cancer City, that was just for delivery purpose. So I had nowhere to go. And my host, as of that time, I couldn't stay there anymore. Do you know what God did? While I was in their hotel, because I had to move into the hotel.

SPEAKER_04: 36:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 36:21

As I said, I don't want to discuss the process because it can be so emotional for me.

SPEAKER_04: 36:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 36:28

When I was working, there was this old woman, not so old, that used to come pick up Western Union. And every time she comes, just small small money,$200,$300. I treat her well. Just mommy, how are you? You're welcome. Take a seat. I is your son. When I say, Oh, mommy, what have you come to do? That is your son that sent you money. So I um in the year 2014, when I was still pregnant of those trains, yeah, the son came from the United States to Nigeria, and while I was working pregnant, I was five months gone then. Yeah. The guy, I just saw mommy again. Ah, mommy, you are here. Ah, it's Christmas time. Ah, let me give you a form. She said, No, I'm not coming to you. I've not come to Rido today. I just want my son to know you. I said, Why? He said, That is the lady that I told you that used to treat me well. All other banks that are good, they don't they just leave me on the line. She treats me well. Oh, so we exchanged contact. Interestingly, he was resident in Maryland. Sonia, please pay attention. I met him for the first time in 2014 December. I've been traveling since 2012.

SPEAKER_03: 37:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 37:48

Without any contact. And we exchanged contact. He asked me for my due date of those twins. So when it was like um like two weeks after they passed on in match, he called me that auntie, you're supposed to be around now. Before they say you cannot fly, I now briefed him what happened.

SPEAKER_04: 38:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 38:09

That uh delivered, and he felt so bad, he was so sorry, and everything. So when I was in the hotel, now back to the to the fourth IVF. He just called me again. He told me anytime you're in the state, always call me. So I called him. So he came to visit me in the house I was. So after like two, three weeks again, he just wanted to check on me. Him and his wife, they brought um, they bought some stuff for me. Total stranger. Wow. I was a stranger to them. They just wanted me to feel that when they needed you, I don't have any other body, any other person in the state. And she called me. He called me. I said, Where are you? I said I'm in the hotel. I said, Hotel, why I'm here, you are in the hotel. Why can't you call me? I said, I barely know you, you know. They came to the hotel, they moved me out of that hotel just like that. They said, You stay with us. I was expecting to see a very big house. I just found out that they were just kind-hearted people with a very large heart. Until date, I have a family in them. Oh my it's a we have a very great bond now. And they moved me from the hotel. So while I was with them, I had a miscarriage. It failed. The IVF failed. So when that was the fourth one, I wanted to come back to Nigeria. They told me, Auntie, wait. He followed me to the hospital to ask when we can do another session. Yeah, they told him I can get another one done in six to eight weeks. I called my husband. You know, we are changing our to dollars. It wasn't that there was any money anywhere, it was just a step of fate. Yeah, so my husband said, I'm missing homo. I miss you. He said, I miss you too, but please can you stay? They are not disturbing you where you are. We have to consider the cost, the flight, and the rest and other things. Yes. So I stayed back. I had an awesome. Do you know what it means staying in a house that is not so big? Yeah. With three children, and till date, I have never had any moment of one down moment of one minute. Woman to woman. I was very free. Wow. They have a large heart. God will bless them. Amen. God placed great people, wonderful people across my path. Weekends, they were like, since we are busy, um, can we take you out? They just don't want me to be sad, they just want me to be excited, to be hopeful, and and they took good care of me and my daughter because I told you.

SPEAKER_03: 41:10

Oh, your daughter was with you.

SPEAKER_01: 41:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 41:14

Ah, that's very generous.

SPEAKER_01: 41:15

What they did, you know. If I tell you it was just a two-bedroom apartment, they gave me one room, and husband and wife, and three children. Ah, that's a big in another room, and there was never any time my head was bowed. The wife, I don't know the kind of flesh and blood she has. She has a large heart. She was just concerned that what I came to do must be successful. That was their priority. They were fine, they felt the inconvenience because and I wasn't comfortable. Many times I'll try to adjust. They would be like, Don't worry, we are good. Just get pregnant and have your baby. That's all they sacrificed for us for me.

SPEAKER_03: 42:06

So you're telling me that the good seed you sold with the old woman was what has brought up this big humongous kindness that they had to as it's so I don't know whether it's so the good seed. If it's not a good if it's not a good seed, like I mean, you have been modest right now, right?

SPEAKER_01: 42:26

If it's not I don't want I just believed that God was gracious on me.

SPEAKER_03: 42:31

I know God was gracious on you, right? No, just wait first. I know God was gracious on you, right? It's very, very important that we people know this that when you are interacting with people, it's an opportunity for you to make a difference in your life, however, small. You don't have to wait the way you because I was brought up that the way you would treat a CEO, treat it cleaner, treat everybody like that. Let everybody leave you better than them you met them. Okay, so that's what you did. I know God was gracious on you, I know God's favor was on you, but for that woman to come to your office, not coming to claim money, but to introduce her son to you. That was that was that that's a good seed right there. That we're seeing that the woman appreciated it, and she did that and look at what happened afterwards. So if you're out there, please let's endeavor to sow good seed. We might not repeat our children, may repeat, our friends, other people around us may repeat. Yeah, that's really good.

SPEAKER_01: 43:41

Wow, thank you. So they were worried for me. They were, I don't know. They were they were like my brother and my sister. In fact, I have a sister and brother in them. My extended family now, my mom, my siblings now see them as part of us. None of them will go to the US today and not visit them. Wow, because we have a family in them now, and God, I'm grateful to God. God has turned their story around today. God has really blessed them because anytime I pray for myself, I'll be like, These people, God, they will not just be in America like this. They must be blessed, and um, they are very blessed now. They are in your tongue's family. The Lord bless you, amen. The Lord prosper you, the Lord increase you on every side. When you need one, one million will come your way. Let me not digress and um the fourth IVF failed. I did a fifth IVF while we were celebrating the fifth IVF, while I was and they celebrated with me in the house and were thankful for it. Two days for me to return to back to Nigeria when the pregnancy was 10 weeks. Excuse me, I felt uneasy within me, and I went to the patron and I saw blood. Oh, as a child of Bishop David O Edeco. I'm sorry to mention that. You don't have to be you don't have to be sorry. Uh blood does not mean it's not baby. I claimed it that this baby stands, but as God will have it, it was I had a miscarriage. So I came back home.

SPEAKER_03: 45:43

Did that shake your faith?

SPEAKER_01: 45:50

Well it's it's it's it's it shook me, not my faith. Okay. It shook me. Nothing can shake faith. The word of God is there now, it remains unshakable. It stands true forever. It's it's true, it shook me, but it didn't shake my faith, it shook me. Yes, I cannot deceive myself and say, yes, it shook me. Um but you know, for we have to rise beyond the tide. We move again. I told my husband, I said, so by the time I returned back to the states to do the sister IVF, I was depressive. I didn't know. I thought all have our limits. Like I said, did it break my faith? No, it broke me. And I didn't know I was depressive. I didn't, I didn't, and you know, we have their protocols, daily medications that will be sent, injection and the rest, and the nurse was doing a follow-up. She will even call me after taking this. I will say yes, and I was taking the medication wrongly, inversely, right? Religiously. I never knew depression was that bad. I didn't know I was depressive, and when it was two days for the embryo to be transferred, it was like a scale fell off my eyes, and I discovered that I wasn't taking the medication in the right way, I was doing it religiously in the wrong direction. So when I called the doctor, she said they should re-evaluate me. Instantly, she said, when the result came, I said no. This this session cannot go through. I insisted that you should do the transfer. Nothing came out of it at that point. We have spent everything we had.

SPEAKER_03: 48:14

Please just just hold on. Just hold on. You said you you go on to the selling path. You said you were depressing. How did you know you were? Because of course you wouldn't know because you've never experienced it before. But how did you come to the realization that's the the state you were at?

SPEAKER_01: 48:34

The first thing that made me know was prior to that, I knew my beautiful daughter. I I I just noticed that I wasn't very loving to her as I should. But and you know, when you have children that are cranky at times, you would think it's the daughter, whereas the prop was me. I didn't notice. So it was one of my hosts that was like, Auntie, why are you doing like this to your daughter, our our princess now? What is it? Actually, nothing is wrong with you, and she has never spoken to me. That you know, I told you they are sweet, they are good, yes, but I guess she needed to just talk to me so that my senses were uh waking up and I wanted to, you know, she she was younger, yeah, and she has been good to me, but you know, the new man's nature, yes. I will now went back to the what can she tell me? She can come machine.

SPEAKER_03: 49:34

Do you understand your um no, not at all, but you can help me with it.

SPEAKER_01: 49:38

I hope nothing is wrong with you. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_03: 49:42

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01: 49:44

Um, she was just, you know, as a mother, too. She was like, How can you treat your daughter like this? And I was remissing on that word. I felt a bit angry. Uh-uh. Why will you talk to me like that? But something my heart just told me, has she ever spoken to you that way before? This woman has been kind to you, she loves you, she loves your daughter, she has been supportive all the way. Something is wrong with you. Why were you just shouting at your daughter? What has she done? She's an innocent child. That was when I did I had to reflect back a deep reflection. I was like, wow, something is wrong. And the next day in the morning, yes, I wanted to administer my medication wrongly again. Yes, and it dawned on me that I was doing it in the wrong way, and I was constantly wrong.

SPEAKER_03: 50:50

So there was irritability, there was a bit of um confusion that in some of the things that we're doing, especially with your medication. I was highly irritable, yes, yes, right.

SPEAKER_01: 51:01

Okay, and obviously confused for me to be taking my medication. I took the medication for like four weeks.

SPEAKER_03: 51:08

Four weeks, yes, and you only realized two days before the test.

SPEAKER_01: 51:12

Yes, they transfer.

SPEAKER_03: 51:14

Oh dear. So you see, these things with the depressive sign, it can be very, very slight. Losing interest in the things that normally interest you, being in a low mood for more than two weeks, that is a big red flag, you know, and you didn't even notice it only nearly four weeks. So this is just to show that these signs can easily creep up on us, and we don't even realize it except what put the mirror in front of us and help us to see. Okay, yes, God bless that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:50

She was like, Are you okay? Are you meant to, you know, machine? I hope nothing is wrong with you. Like we used to say, I hope you are not on cheap drugs. You understand? Yes, that was what she meant. The way I don't know now, you get it. So yes, so that you tell you back to reality. Why should you what what what I agree I'm staying with you? Why should you talk to me like this way? I've been careful around you, you know, yes, but thankfully, that was a breaking point for me. And that was when I knew I was depressive, so the transfer was not successful, and um when my husband knew this time around, you know, he was tired already. I was tired, he was tired. Besides, we were spent like the woman with the issue of the blood. And he called me and told me, I believe we have more than one child, but now I am done with IVF. God will give us more children if he wishes, but that I will spend one dime no more. We need to move on with our life and be progressive with other things and secure this girl's future, our future, because we we did all sorts, borrowed, sold some of our properties to fund our medical bills, yeah. And you know, when there's a will, there will always be a way. That's right. And when my husband told me that, I I was offended. I was offended that why will you believe? Why will you tell me that? When I I was offended, how can you open your mouth and say this? And while I when I was like that, the scripture just came to my mind that he's just a man now. He's a man, he's not good. And my spirit came back alive and I called him. I said, You are not good. God told me I'm a joyful mother of great children, not joyful child of a child. I will have plenty of children, whether there is money or not, and he apologized. And you know, he though that was too much for me to take. Yeah, and he apologized, and it was explaining, you know, this pressure is much doing this or that, you know, it hasn't been easy. I said I know, and we reconciled.

SPEAKER_03: 54:51

And let's even sit on this a little bit because remember, you left, you said you were taking time off work, um, in other words.

SPEAKER_01: 54:57

I lost my job in the process.

SPEAKER_03: 55:00

Okay, so you lost your job in the process, and is the only one that is working for the family, and you are any in Nara, you're spending in dollars, so you can see that must put a strain on even someone that that has supernatural power, right? That will put it there, and it was a great strain.

SPEAKER_04: 55:18

So, yeah, great death, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 55:20

And then with the debt and with the selling of properties and everything, and with you not being there as well, you'll be lonely as well. So, there was a lot of pressure on both of you on both on both sides, that was a lot of sacrifices, yeah. Yes, and how many IVF has failed at this time? Is that six? With one child, yeah, that's a sixth one, right? Right, okay. Wow, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_01: 55:46

That was a lot. So, and after we reconciled, I face the war. I faced the war. I said, God, I've loved you as a child. You told me I'm a joyful mother of great children. I cannot have one child. I call forth wealth, help from wherever rise up to my help. After speaking to the world the next morning, I began a fast. I fasted three days, but the funny thing is this I do not know. I prayed all manner of prayers. Ask me, I just want more children. I prayed all manner of prayers, and I rejoiced after three days, and I and because we were really financially pressured, my ticket had to be changed, and the cost of changing the tickets was high, like seven to eight hundred dollars. So I had to wait. I had to wait until when the cost would be just under dollars. It was that bad. Things were it was that bad. So I stayed an extra three weeks with my daughter, and my hosts were super, super very very supportive. He will call me at work, don't reinpay can't say are you fine? Have you eaten your food? Are you good? Do you need anything? Should I should I hold anything? It just he didn't want he knew what happened, he just wanted me to be a to come out of the pain, yes, and the wife too. And they I got in a lot of support from that family. So I go back to Nigeria after three weeks. My husband came to pick me up, and when I got to the gate of my house, Nigeria, you know, we use gate, fence, fence. Yes, while waiting for the gates to be opened, I just saw a mail. Sonia, you will not believe what God did. I received a mail from my doctor. She said she could not sleep for two weeks 14 days that the moment he closes her eyes, she will not be able to sleep. That my image keeps coming back to her, and she asked herself, What can I do to have peace and sleep? I I I work hard, I deserve to sleep. And she was quite elderly, a woman. Yes, she wrote in capital letters, can you please come back to the United States? I will pay.

SPEAKER_03: 58:43

Your doctor said she will pay.

SPEAKER_01: 58:46

Yes. So she couldn't sleep for 14 days. My God, took away her sleep. The almighty God took away our sleep. The possessor of heaven and earth seized her sleep.

SPEAKER_03: 59:18

When I say God walk in mysterious will, so these are some of the way we is talking about.

SPEAKER_01: 59:23

Make waste in the wilderness. White people don't joke with their money.

SPEAKER_03: 59:30

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_01: 59:33

Yeah, they don't. Not even a dollar, they don't waste their resources. That same night, my husband, we had to he scrambled all his accounts. So we looked for the cheapest available flight because we had to book another flight that night. But I did something before I left the US. When they I was depressive, I asked them when next can I start another procedure? They said in six weeks' time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:05

So from the date when the transfer we did, it came out, failed everything. It was nine days to the six weeks' appointment that I booked by fate. You already booked my fate. Yes, I did. But the doctor asked me, I don't know, I wouldn't want to mention her name, you know. It's okay. I'm not Nigerians. She asked me, Fadekay, will you be able to make this appointment? I began to weep. She said, Why? I said, there's no money. Besides, my husband is tired. And I don't know where to get the money from. That was I I guess that was what kept ringing in her head. I booked my six weeks' appointment, even though my husband had already told me no dying. I booked my next appointment. So due to the going back and forth of verification of pregnancy, changing of tickets, waiting for when it will be a lot affordable.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:17

It was nine days when I got home. I got the mail. That was exactly nine days to my next appointment. Sonia, I met the appointment, and that was what gave me my second child.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:30

Oh wow, he cannot fail. He cannot fail. Now when he has moved the mountains for you, he cannot fail.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:45

God is good all the time. He walks in imagine. I can't fathom him. I'm getting emotional now. I I cannot.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:03

We call it authentic travel podcast for a reason. I will hold the space while you get yourself together.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:14

He shocked me. No, how can you pay? Because you want to have your sleep. So when the king could not sleep, the book of remembrance. God answered you. He helped me. I am amazed till day. And a second baby came. And I was celebrating that. Celebrating that. And I moved on with my life. Went back to school to do my master's. Um immediately the IVF was done. I got back to Nigeria. I started my master's. Delivered, missed some exams because I went I had to go and deliver again. And you know I didn't have a job. Yes. So I engaged in kingdom advancement preaching. I preached every day in the morning. So I every morning I'll get dressed as if I'm going to work. Drop my children with my first daughter in school, my second baby in the crutch. Or at times I'll back her. The way we African girls collect tracks from church. I'll be evangelizing. And I will dress dress so formal. So at times I would drop my daughter in the crutch. So you I'll carry my bag, where shoe. And so by the time I even said low, good morning, you know, Jesus loves you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:15

So so angle, so you didn't have a paid job, right? So kingdom job, you became an evangelist for God. So you had a job. You had a job, you created a job, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:32

And um, I did that for five months, and I had about an establishment, my present establishment now that they they are recruiting. So that day after the evangelism, I knew I was going there, so I dressed well, and I went to the director. I introduced myself. They did not know I was an applicant. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I just have to laugh there. It's the way you are saying it. Yes, so when I got there, I immediately the woman said I when they closed the door like this, I knelt down, please help me. I need a job. Oh wow, the woman said, stand up, you know, African way now. Okay, have you applied on the website? I said I will apply now. And I I did. I did the application, and she said, Well, it's based purely on merit. You have to make 70% pass by 70%. I said, Don't worry, God will help me. And that was on a Thursday. She called the HR, can you please include this name? They were like, well, we are done for enlistment now. I said, just let out. Saturday I did it, and you know, it was a CBT, you get the result instantly. And I wrote the exam. To the glory of God, I scored 76. So when she wasn't expecting, she had she didn't have much expectation from me, you know. Um, sorry about that. That's fine. And immediately she saw me said, Madam, how did you score? I said some six. Thank you for making my job easy. What does that even mean? Tonya, I resumed on the first of April. You got a job. I got a job. Oh, I got a job. I resumed on the first of April 2019. While we were doing our documentation, moving from one office to the other, I began to feel drowsy. I became so uncomfortable, and I was very weak. So I couldn't progress. So I had to see the head of my as um uh assigned department that I need to go to the hospital. And when I got to the hospital, lo and behold, I was confirmed pregnant.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:18

Hang on. So, no IVF this time, you were confirmed pregnant naturally, the same day.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:28

The same day he started work, double blessing first of April 2019.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:36

I think you know he said he holds no man, he holds no man.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:46

No, he doesn't use is he's he is he he doesn't, he's not a user, he's too faithful to fail. Sonia. I had my baby in October, and that's my only male child.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:10

Do you know what this means? If you had your baby in October and you found that you were pregnant in April, that was all the time you were doing those um work evangelism evangelism work. You were pregnant.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:23

I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:33

Awesome God, awesome, awesome indeed, mighty in his ways, much less great, unfathomable I don't understand how God works.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:58

Nobody can understand it. God bless it. I know how to do family planning. Please don't make me laugh.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:17

You don't have to not do family planning now. Okay, okay, okay. God is great, indeed, all the time. Yes, the smile on your face says it all. It just says it all. No, no, no, it just says it all. I just keep ringing in my head, it cannot owe any man, it it doesn't, it doesn't owe you over peace.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:48

What did I do? And I was not doing it because I was looking for a child. I just hate being idle. Yes, how can I sit down doing nothing? I'd completed my master's then, so I was like, no, no PhD. Let's let's start now. The children, we have three children. One man is only my husband, was the only person working. Yeah, the girl is coming. I have to now contribute my small quota. Our God is great, yes.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:26

So let's let's see. So, how many miscarriage? How many there's atopic pregnancy there? How many IVF? We know there are three three beautiful, beautiful children there. One is natural, let's not even forget that. Let's not forget her. How many miscarriages was it? I had one miscarriage, one atopic pregnancy, and how many IVF? I did seven IVFs to life back for anybody that is out there. Kemi, please speak to them. Speak to them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:03

My heart is found, yeah, to anyone listening to me, whether you are the one or you have someone close to you or someone you know, please never throw in the tower. Don't give up on yourself. It is not over with you. God works in dynamic ways. There are other things I cannot say on this space. I don't care whether you have a womb or not. He said, be fruitful, multiply, replenish the heart. Hold on to it, believe God for it, and walk with it, and run with it, and smile with it, dance with it, celebrate it, eat it, believe it, and move on. I lack expression right now. That's the truth. But this God is a wonder working God. I was medically condemned that there was no way I could conceive naturally. It's a lie. Who is he that decrees a thing when the mouth of God has not said it? Oh no, he disappo it disappoints the wise to the only wise God. Please, Ginger, I don't know, chair up, move forward, and I want to plead with everyone one wait on the waiting line. It's not a wasting time. While you are waiting for your miracles, please engage in productive things that edifies you, your spirit, improves you financially, helps you mentally, improve yourself, add value to yourself, add value to your community, add value to your environment, be a blessing to people around you. One thing I did when I was waiting, yes, I was always excited for anyone that has a child. In fact, sometimes they think I'm faking it. And the truth is, genuinely, I'm happy for them. Anytime I see any smell pregnancy around any woman, she becomes my prayer point. So she gives birth. I will pray for the person. Oftentimes they don't even know, we don't interact. I had a diary, and I'm always with my diary. I'll pick it because in fact, there are times I don't know their names. I'll just write this uh blue woman, right corner of the church. I know it, I know that one. I interceded until date. And I I want you to believe that your wombs are opened. Amen. God is planting eternal seed that will live. No more death in your womb in Jesus' name, no more miscarriages, amen. Every dead womb come alive now in Jesus' name. Amen. Every dead body come alive now in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:27

Amen.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:28

I want anyone listening to me, please do not run out of scatter. I'm not saying you should not receive medical treatment, yeah. But then be careful. When it is not written in the word of God, that's not God's word for you. Yes. Fine, there are a lot of things we hear that are scary or that we see, but the word of God stands so sure. I implore everyone, please do not give up. God works in mysterious ways. I have if my mom's friend, my mom would 70 already, like 10 or 11 years ago. A friend of her put to bed for the first time. Yes. 60. Yes. Oh, even she was already menopausal, so they didn't know on time until the pregnancy was five months. We call her a larger, she's an allerger. Please, if God, I have not seen or have had testimonies of women without wound, that you are a woman is enough for you to conceive. It is okay. You are a woman, you carry well, you are a woman, and if per adventure, anyone is there that's as maybe in the past you have made some mistakes. Please, God has forgiven you and forgive yourself. Accept the love of God, accept his fruitfulness agenda for your life. He said, Be fruitful. Please, I the devil may want to hurt you with your past. He has nailed it on the cross. He said it is finished, and it is finished. Move in the reality of your new self now, of your redemptive rights. Fruitfulness is part of your redemptive package. Um, there's this scripture that I used to quote when I'm down. They the Samarian, uh, the Samaritan woman that was asked Jesus to heal his adultery. Jesus said they don't give food for children to dogs. In Matthew, but the woman said, even dogs eat the crumbs. And Jesus said, What a great feast. You are a child of good, you have the right to hit the feast on the table, and it is a feast of multiple things, whatever you want, it's on that table. Children is available, and God will give you in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:18

Amen. Thank you, Sonia. Thank you so so much, Kemi. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for being vulnerable with us. Thank you for taking us through the journey. It's almost I'm a very visual person. It's almost as if I was just following you around, trying to see everywhere. I could just imagine you know the process that you went through. Thank you for being so generous with your time with us. I know now you said you have three beautiful children and you're working and everything. On this podcast, we always ask people how do you ensure that you rest and how do you ensure that you rejuvenate the spirit, the soul, and the body to keep looking this fresh and very beautiful.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:03

Oh rest well, how do rest? Well, we have to create time. Like um, um, I my routine is very tight. Well, I ensure that I have an average of six hours sleep every day. Okay, I try to sleep well. I try that, I try then. Um Sundays, I ensure I observe my two-hour siesta every Sunday, the sacrosancy. Yeah, and um I try to do in the night before I sleep my 10 to 15 minutes brisk walk to help my heart. Yeah, then I've changed my diet, right? To to improve wellness. I don't do any other, I don't do anything serious other than that. That's quite enough already. Yeah, that's that's that's I love water is life. That's quite holistic, of course. Let's drink water, that is good, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:10

Right, you know there are five keys to well-being, you know, and you've actually mentioned almost all of them, but there's one that yeah, I know there is one that you do that you did not mention, given right now. You are giving your time, right now you're giving your testimony to encourage other people. So the five keys to well-being, you have to be given, you have to be active, you know, because when you're giving your time, your resources, or your skills, it takes your mind off your own situation, right? When you're being active, you are also nourishing your body, and you're talking about the brisk work and everything, that's you being active as well, right? The sleep as well. Our body needs sleep to be able to rejuvenate. That's you nourishing every part of your body. Because if you don't sleep very well, you'll not be able, your soul, your spirit should not be able to align. Why? Because we are trapatized human beings. So, in a way, when you say you don't do much, you actually do it in a very holistic way. You don't have to replicate it, yes. You don't have to complicate it, you have to simplify it. And on top of that, you said your diet as well, you mind the things that you consume as well. You said your body is the temple, we have to keep it holy. So you have to make sure, because that's the the the right that we have to be here. If you don't look after this body, is it is the one that contains the soul and the spirit, then you'll not be able to to move on with whatever plans or whatever thing you want to do. I just want to say thank you so much, Kemi, for your time again. I can't thank you enough. I can't thank you enough. I really do appreciate and I know this is gonna be a blessing to many people. One thing that we have done here today is this is a digital space. And what that means, I said we'll take this video off once it's uploaded on the platform, whether it's on the podcast platform, whether it's on the YouTube, we don't know it's gonna click click on it. So this history, you are making history whereby people, whether they'll listen to it, they might be discouraged, and the listen to it, they will be encouraged. So, in a way, you have planted into the digital space, and I know you've done other spaces as well on Facebook and other places that you write. So, your testimony will need to be to speak for you, continue to win source for you, we're gonna need to encourage people and give them faith and hope, even in their dark time. So, what you've done here, you have chosen to be a light in people's dark space. And I say thank you so much. I appreciate your time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:28

Thank you for having me. It's a privilege to be here.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:32

It is please tell me well to your beautiful, beautiful children. I remember she said she's not doing family planning. Did you hear that? Oh yes, it is, indeed, indeed. And I have been your host, Pia Sonia. Well, it's a bit authentic until I come here, keep my baby, keep it authentic, and keep looking after your channel. Thank you so much.