Authentic Thriving Podcast
Authentic Thriving Podcast is a trauma-informed mental health and personal development podcast hosted by Abies Sonia Ebenezer-Bamigbayan, a BACP-registered counsellor, life coach, and positive psychology practitioner.
This podcast supports individuals navigating trauma, burnout, emotional suppression, people-pleasing, faith-related emotional wounds, and identity loss, particularly within African and Black diaspora communities.
Each episode blends psychoeducation, cultural insight, reflective dialogue, and practical emotional tools to help listeners heal, reclaim self-worth, set healthy boundaries, and move toward inner harmony.
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Authentic Thriving Podcast
Herbal Care Reduces Hospital Visits
We trace Wumi’s journey from a night in A&E to a life built around plants, practical research, and patient care. We show how a family garden grew into teas for BP, sleep, and more, and why slow living and good boundaries keep the mission humane.
• redefining herbalist as plant medicine practice
• child’s illness as catalyst for research and change
• early thyme remedy and garden experiments
• moving from family care to shared teas
• studying, foraging, and careful formulation
• products for high blood pressure, insomnia, digestion, weight
• documenting knowledge to protect African expertise
• access, affordability, and education across communities
• managing energy with immune and energy teas
• boundaries, rest, and slow living as safeguards
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It now also started from my mom. So I'm not even about business. You know, my own, I think also as I'm the first child, so I'm very family-oriented and all of that. So I was like, my mother has been on high blood pressure meds for a very long time. Let's see how to take that woman off meds. So my mom was my first priority. So I started to read. I need to take my mom off our high blood pressure meds. So then I started making something for my mom. I shipped it home, you know, and she liked it. And then gradually gradually I started seeing people telling me, Oh, my system cannot digest any food. Do you have anything? So I never said no. So I'll gradually I talk to people in different places, like, oh, I'm doing this and just doing this. I'm just doing the video say, Do you have? I remember the first person, first time someone said to me, Do you have something for menstruating? I have very, very bad menstrual pain. No amount of meds as you know helped me. I was like, Yes, I do. I didn't, I didn't have anything for meds. So I would just say, give me two weeks or give me a week. So in that one week, I would start, you know, reading, and I was like, okay, they say this plant can work. Okay, how do I do this? So then and I started to also realize that God is amazing. I started to also realize that there was quite a lot of plants also that are just growing on the road side, you know, just medicines. So I started to find them. So the when I so when someone gives me like an ailment that they have, and I Google, I do readings, I research, I think with my brain, okay, this, this, this, then what happened? So if I can buy the apps, I buy the hubs. The ones that I can't buy, I started going out to look for it.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. On this episode, I'm going to be interviewing a very another interesting guest, and her name is Wumi Victoria. If you are joining the podcast for the first time, my name is Abia Sonia, and I'm going to be your host. So, Wumi, please, can you introduce yourself? And thank you so much for honoring my invitation. Can you introduce yourself, please?
SPEAKER_05:Thank you so much for having me. My name is Wumi Victoria, which is interesting because uh my journey started taking a different shape. So I was like, you know what? This new identity, I'm gonna scrap my husband's name out, I'm gonna scrap my father's name out, I'm gonna like just unite my own two names because they kind of like mean very deeply to me. Like, women means desire.
SPEAKER_02:Oh wow.
SPEAKER_05:And that's what my journey's been like. I'm like, oh, I desire to have this, I desire to be like this, and then Victoria means an overcomer. So I was like, I like these two names, I'm going to just like make it my new identity because yeah, I moved careers and all of that. So yes, I'm just someone who's very fascinated with the creator, the father. Most people like to say God, but I like to use creator most of the time, and I like to use father. Yes. So I think that comes from it's it that seems that's like the whole thing where my whole I new identity stemming from. So I'm very fascinated by the creator, and when I go out, I like I can mountains and all of that stuff. That's my that's my that's how I recharge. I like having to be created. So every time I go, I see something new, or I see how tall the mountains are, I see this, I see that. So that fascinated me about who he is and what his creations are. So I started to think like, oh, if the Bible really says that we are as children, if I'm as children and I can also create this, I can create that, I can be this, I can be that. I'm not limited, you know. So and that's the funny part about my life. Sometimes when I go into the wild, I see different kinds of creations. Like see, like uh an insect with yellow, as colorful as this earring. Yeah, yeah, and I would look at the air, it is green and the body is red. Wow, god, you make this, and then I see another one. Yeah, so yeah, so I would like to say I'm very fascinated by the creator and that stems a lot. So, in that I start to like, okay, I can I also want to create things like him.
SPEAKER_02:So I will call you the woman the inventor.
SPEAKER_05:I also want to create things like him, and then so I started with plants, like you know, yeah. So from plants, and I think we're like picking up, but my whole main identity is trying to create something like my father.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, fantastic. That's a very, very interesting introduction, and I love it. I love it because in authentic driving podcasts, we keep it real and authentic, right? There's no packaging, it's you know, we are just like real, keeping it real. Thank you so much, Wumi, for that very lovely introduction. I you you but you missed the part which I really like, right? Which I really like. You didn't call yourself that name. I I see you as someone that is a herbalist, and now a lot of people might be thinking, herbalist, Sonia. Who did you go and bring for us to listen to? You're bringing us a herbalist. Womie, would you would you think would you call yourself a herbalist?
SPEAKER_05:So uh in the beginning, yes, but now I think I've like just transitioned. So in the beginning, when I started, I think that was last year, yes, early last year, on my Facebook and my LinkedIn, I updated and I was like, Abalist. And I remember two people just messaged me instantly. My husband was like, Abalist, why don't you put Abalist on your on your LinkedIn profile? And then my auntie also on Facebook, she was like, Womie, what is this? Please remove it, find something else to call yourself. I was like, guys, abalist is just somebody who uses herbs for da-da-da-da-da. And they were like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we don't use something else. So I think, yeah, growing in Nigerian culture was so used to her balance being the the juju man. I used to call myself a plant medicine practitioner.
SPEAKER_02:Fantastic, fantastic medicine, fantastic for those of you that are listening. A herbalist is a someone that deals with herbs, someone that uses herbs for medicinal purposes, uh, someone that collects or grow herbs and then use it to make people's life better, including theirs. So please don't get scared here. Don't think we are doing voodoo here. We are not doing voodoo, right? We are still talking about the same thing afterwards. Is our God that created the herbs for us to go? Yes, according to Genesis, you see that we are not kidding, is that okay? Right. So, we mean this is a very interesting journey, right? For someone as young as you are, because I see myself as young. We, when I was growing up, I see everything that people that were old, people you know, they they they are very old now, so they do all those things to help people with ailments, to help to keep other people uh keep themselves looking young and refreshed and rejuvenated and stuff like that by eating nutritious stuff. But you you are still very young. How did you how did this journey begin for you?
SPEAKER_05:So interesting. This morning when I woke up, I was you know how Google Photos for you or memories from so so so. Yes, so then you got a photo, so I was like, click on this day, so I was flipping through that day and some other days, and I saw a photo of my youngest child um at the hospital with um what did they call this thing? Um yeah, dread. Yeah, so I was I just realized I still get triggered by that. Um so that basically that's how it all started for me, actually. 2022, I almost lost my child, my youngest one. He was one and he got sick at school and he had a very high temp, and um the temperature was on for a very long time. So I just realized that night my child was almost lifeless in my hands. So we had to rush into the hospital. I was in an emergency, they were like, What's wrong? We like just putting needles, you know. As a mom, my heart was very fragile, and not an older child for a one-year-old, yeah. So that really did break my heart. So I was in the hospital, and I think for three days straight, we were just like, you know, so it was just quite a lot of stress, and I still had an older child to take care of. Yeah, and uh it's just my husband and I in Cape Town. So the stress was quite so much on me that I was like, no, I never want to find myself in this situation again.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So that honestly was the starting point for me. I was gonna post that on WhatsApp, and for whatever reason, I just did it. So that that became the starting point for that, God, I don't ever want to find myself in this situation because it wasn't just the emergency, it was the stress, the physical and the mental stress that it had on me. So after that, after that incident, then I also realized that the kids would have, you know, the common sickness with Western cities because Cape Town is very western in every city, every every way. Like we have winters, we have all of that stuff. So the kids get sick during mental time, and you know, to take so long, I'll take them to the hospital. You have to um thankfully in Cape Town, the med the healthcare is still very, very good. We still have we have good doctors and all, but it still doesn't, you know, um it's still stressful. I don't know, just so stressful. You have to wait for your time, you have to wait for the doctor, then the thing you also have to go somewhere else to get medicine. I think it's the same with UK, right? Yes, you still have to go to another independent, you know, business to go and get your it's not like back home where you know at the hospital you get your medicine immediately. Yes, so you just hated the stress, and then when they now get sick, also I take them to like it's not so complicated yet, we can't give them anything. So then like so I must wait till this chat is very sick. You know, the first incident actually put me on um fight or flight mode. Yes, you know, like ah god, I don't want to be then subsequently again. I'll be like, what is this? What is this? What is this? Why do I have to? So I just ran two weeks. I'm still nursing, you know, just come on code and fill you. I was like, then you they'll give you one med today, they'll say, take this one, I'll use it, it won't work. The second time it won't work. So instead of getting better, I was deteriorated. So it takes me two weeks. Yeah, sometimes two weeks, and then before I know it, the other child is affected. So all of that was like, no, I can't, I can't do this. So I started to Google. Google was my first question, and at that time, yes, while I was still doing uh counseling therapy and all of that stuff, in between while you were waiting on clients, because I did open a practice at home. I uh set up an office at home where I saw clients. So in between waiting for clients to come in, I was already farming. So then I'll be in the beginning. So I was like, okay, let's start with spices. I wanted to pick myself off Maggie, the Nigerian Maggie. Yes, so and I was like, okay, let me start with spices, rosemary and thyme, right? They're the basic spices. Yes. So I started. So that night when my child was on cold and few, and all the meds were not like doing anything for me. So I grew good and they were like, you can use time. I said, eh, you can use time for cold. So I went into my garden and picked the time and gave the child. But basically, that's how we started, to be honest. And then as time goes on, I started to learn about other herbs, other herbs, and started experimenting with it. So when the kids get sick, I give it to them. When they get sick, I give it to them, and I saw that it was really working. Wow. So I give it to them, I give it to them. So I did that for a very long time.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:And for like almost two years, I was using herbs to heal my children at home. So I didn't even think about making it a business or anything. I was just like, yeah. So life now became less ectic while because I was like, no, this stress is just too much.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, let me just let me just interject you there a little bit, right? This is getting really interesting. So you were a counselor, right? You had your own practice that is already open and stuff like that. So you find out that your children were getting poorly. Because if you say it takes two weeks and then the other one will catch on, that means in a month, your every month you were you were you were just like that because two weeks for one child, two weeks for another child, that is straight burnout for you every month knocking at your door. So I can imagine how frustrating that must have been for you. However, you said you discovered that you could use so at this point, were you using different recipes of herbs together, or did you just find one that was really good and you were using it over and over again?
SPEAKER_05:In the beginning, it was just one, yeah. Just one. It was just time. I was just using time, and then probably so what do you do with the time?
SPEAKER_02:What do you just put in water?
SPEAKER_05:No, I cook it. You cook it like see, see, it's just the same fancy things, it's just like how people say, Oh, me, what you do sexy. There's no difference between me and the Yala group of Nigeria. That you know, all the only difference is I bring modernity and youngness, like you say, we're young. I bring my fresh, young take on the existing thing already. So I just cook it, I just cook it as as uh cook it on the stove. I've not even like gone into teas and branding like that. It was just like tea. I just put it on the stove and the child, and then I was also experimenting. So the thing is that Google that's the thing with it doing research, yes, it gives you all this information, but at the end of the day, you still have to sit down and still think that okay, if I mix this and this together, if I do this experiment, yes, you get it, and then figure, yeah. So, yeah, in the beginning it was just one hand, yes, and then luckily, so we have these plant shops around where I usually now go to buy, and remember, I was now home gardening out of my usual time, yeah. So I would go to buy um those crop as seeds and also starter starter plants to start with. So they have an app section, yes. So, but because I didn't know what I was doing, and I there was really nobody that was doing what I was doing, so I would just put this one, they say, Oh, oregano, or this one. So then I'll now go. The internet is your friend, right? Yes, what does this do? They say it does. So I now start from there, I now started like mixing one app plus another app plus another till now. If I tell you now that this week or tell my this last week and I just ended, I went to the glasses store. I said, I want another glasses. I'm just collecting glasses for fun sake. Why? Because the medical insurance money is just it's there's I haven't taken my healthcare to the hospital for two years, so the money keeps piling up. So I'm like, okay, what do I do? Let's just be collecting fasting glasses up and down.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, let's let's let's let's let's stop. Let's stop here, Wumi. So for for contest um basis, right? Womie is based in Cape Town in um South Africa, right? And it's like their system, their medical system is similar to the American system whereby they pay for their medical insurance. Because Wumi embarked on this beautiful journey of growing herbs and using it to nourish a family, they have not been to the hospital for two years. You can't just you can't just say that I just glossed to marry it now. Don't do that, don't do that. That is beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_05:Like call the doctor and say, Hey, my child is sick now. They they still get sick, they get sick, but the sickness that will be two weeks, they don't just two two, three days, and they don't affect each other, also. So now they do the so I know how to do it in such a way that when they sleep, they don't affect each other. So two of sickness takes me like two, three days now, and it's done, no longer one month flat.
SPEAKER_02:No, wow. So you're not saying that the insurance was there and it was not being used. What did you do? I started collecting glasses.
SPEAKER_05:My sister, let's be collecting fancy glasses. So I just collected another one. So now that we're getting how they're putting the business out there, let's look fashionable by collecting. Yeah, so basically I'm just wasting it because you know. So I told him, can we cancel it? It was like no, they will not cancel it at work. So yeah, just use it for fun stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, fantastic. So now the the children are getting better, so there is no longer intense stress on you. Tell us more, tell us more about this interesting journey of yours.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so basically that that started to happen, and I realized, oh, okay, I'm I'm okay now. Then I also use this for my okay. Then another thing I also realized, I was juggling a lot. Yes, you know, like I said, raising children, raising kids, it's it's not it's not for the faint cathead abroad.
SPEAKER_02:That's right, that's right.
SPEAKER_05:Especially when your kids are little. My kids are under 10. So it's still like I'm in the thick of things. I've got a um an 829 and a four-year-old. So like an eight and a four, yeah, you know, I'm still kind of thinking, so I realized also that I was always like juggling things, like mommy, this, mommy that. So I also started to feel tired.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So also in the past, I've got to the hospital to say, Oh, your high on is low, your immune is not strong, all of that stuff. So they would place me on iron, that fed that red tablet, you know, we get first of it. Yeah, there wasn't really it. I would get better, and then I'll still find myself. So also, so when I moved away from the kids, then I moved to myself. So I started to like mix things together for myself, like to boost my immune system, then to my husband. And basically, the power was it's it was just like to make my life simpler and easier. Yeah, it wasn't until you know I just started seeing signs that God was like, I need to shift you now. I started seeing, so I started seeing left and right, people were dying, especially back home.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_05:My mom would say, Oh, this person died of high blood pressure, this person died of sugar, this person died of this one. And I would just be like, Oh no, now there are plenty things you know that we can use. So I started seeing different, different people. Sometimes they eat close to home, yeah, people that you're up with back home, and I was like, No, there's plenty. So it started to like, and then I had I had a friend that would just say, Oh, Victoria, I think you should start, you know. Even at some point, I even got a farm. I rented a farm and I was farming to self produce, but every time she was Victoria, no, that's not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to grow your house and then use as medicine for other people. So she would just say pointers like that. I would just be like, I'm not, I never really intended to. Use this as a as a business or something to know. It was just when I started to pay attention, like, okay, I think God is now shifting me. He's using family as a as a template, as a learning ground. So now it's time to shift to the world. So it was when I started paying attention left and right to people getting sick, people dying. And also when I go in the wild, I just oh can't. So then that was when I decided. It was only this year. Only this year I started to decide that okay, I'm going to. So when I started, people like, hey, I'm scared. I'm like, oh, something I've been using to treat my family for many years. Wow.
SPEAKER_02:So you've done this with your children for two years, and your husband included, including yourself. So then you started hearing different news of people just dying, and it's like that triggers something that this could have been prevented, this could have been avoided, this is a needless debt. What's the point? Of people that you were once playing with, those are still young people, you know, still just going before their time. Fantastic. So you decide to go on the business route with it because all the signs were there. So tell us how did you embark on 20 days? Because there might be people out there that are good at certain things, you are very good at it. I don't know what it is. It might be just look around you. There's something that if anybody needs support with this, they will come and knock at your door. If someone wants, even if at work you want to do this, not even part of your job description, they will ask you to do it, or if something that you notice is happening somewhere, you have the skills and the ability to do it, and you are still not thinking here that okay, maybe this is what I need to do. You know, the talent, the parable of the soul of the talent one, two, and five that always rings in my head. You know why? Because I don't want to be the one that when I get home to my father, it will say, Wait till I gave you this talent, that talent, that what did you do with it? You want to be able to, when God asks you, were you accountable? Did you utilize your talent effectively and to the utmost best? Like you said, it's not for you, Womie, it is for you to help other people. So, how did you embark on the business side of things?
SPEAKER_05:Hmm, it was a bit tricky. I think the first thing that I have to say is I went studying, first of all, even before I decided I wanted to make it into a business at first. So, in the two years while I was raising my doing the thing with my family, yeah. So I went studying, so I started to learn. I love to study, I love to research a lot. And this house stage for me, it's like, hey, this woman, and YouTube is my friend, you know. I feel like YouTube is the most beneficial um social media um application out there because all over the world, people come on YouTube, you know, to put whatever. There's no, I always tell my son, there's no information you're finding that you're not finding on YouTube. Yeah. So whether it makes sense or not, but at least you have an idea, and then you can now take that idea. And I also think because of the incentive that YouTube gives us like if you do this, I'll pay you. So it kind of brings up a lot of put a lot of people on the platform. So, yes. So I went YouTube route, I went experimenting route, and I went the university route. So I started collecting degrees on plant medicine first of all. I wasn't I wasn't going to use it as a business because I didn't even know how to start. Um it just so happened December last year was a very tough time for me. So I went into I like saying into the wild, when I mean wild, like away from the city, like just in the so we have a lot of mountains here in Cape Town. So you just so they're quite uh yeah, Cape Town is very beautiful. It's been named like um the most beautiful city in the world for like five years in a row. Oh wow, so yeah, so we do have that where you go away from the city. So I was away in the city, I was in this um, I don't want to call it hotel, but I was in this like real resort, like all those places in in outside town where you just lodge all of that stuff. Yes, I was there and this beautiful woman had a beautiful breathtaking house with plants that I had only seen in my research and in my textbooks and all of that stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:This is this one. Oh, this is this one. This is I've never seen this before. Can I take this? Can I take that? So I became like I was still joking to myself few days ago, like, oh, I don't know how to behave around plants. So I'm just like a like a child when so I was very like excited because I started to see also different species because of the way modern world has been, the way food has been tampered with, plant has also been tampered with. You also get plants that are just, for example, basil. You have different the basil that is very common is like the most basic basil, but there are variations of olden this basil that can like cure, I don't know, any coffee you have or anything. I started to see those old you know species of plants in our inner space. So then I was like, please can you give me this? Initially, I was like, Can I buy them? Because you know, I didn't want to be too forward, but thankfully I found favor and she was like, Oh, you can take it. So she gave me a lot, and I was like, What do I do with this? So I was like, okay, let's start. So initially, I would sell the plants like that to people, just little by little, not really sell. I'll just be like, Oh, I have a cuff somewhere. Okay, I'll just give them some plants. My neighbor will come to me, haven't cooked in a well. I just give them something. But that incident at that woman's place was all the herbs that she's given me, and all the ancient ones I discovered. I was like, okay, I can't waste this. What do I do? So I was like, okay, I'm going to dry them. So then I was like, okay, let's dry it. And somehow, somehow, somehow, the inspiration started coming, and I started making it into tea bags. So, and people started asking me for different stuff. I'd not even been online. In fact, most of my business has been offline. So, people would ask me, Well, do you have this? Okay, then it now also started from my mom.
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SPEAKER_05:So I'm not even talking about business, you know. My own life, I think also as I'm the first child, so I'm very family-oriented and all of that. So I was like, my mother has been on high blood pressure meds for a very long time. Let's see how to take that woman off meds. So my mom was my first priority. So I started to read. I need to take my mom off our high blood pressure meds. Yeah. So then I started making something for my mom. I shipped it home, you know, and she liked it. And then gradually, I started seeing people telling me, Oh, my system cannot digest any food. Do you have anything? So I never said no. So I gradually I talked to people in different places, like, oh, I'm doing this, and just doing this, I'm just doing it. They'll say, Do you have do you have? I remember the first person, first time someone said to me, Do you have something for med shopping? I have very, very bad men's shopping. No amount of meds as you know helped me. I was like, Yes, I do. I didn't, I didn't have anything for meds. So I would just say, give me two weeks or give me a week. So in that one week, I would start, you know, reading, and I was like, okay, they say this plant can work. Okay, how do I do this? So then and I started to also realize that God is amazing. I started to also realize that there was quite a lot of plants also that are just growing on the road side, you know, just medicines. So I started to find them. So the when I so when someone gives me like an ailment that they have, and I Google, I do readings, I research, I think with my brain, okay, this, this, this, then what happens? So if I can buy the apps, I buy the hubs. The ones that I can't buy, I started going out to look for it. Yes. So I would go to farms, I started looking, I would go on the roads, and because I'd also studied, so I know what I was looking for, yes, I know where to pick and what not to pick. Yeah, so yeah, that's how I started basically. People just telling me what they wanted, and then it was like, Oh, it worked for me. Oh, thank you so much. The mess shopping came back, like I think you might just you just found the cure for painful period. So all of that started boosting me. It was like, oh, people are getting better, oh people getting better. And then someone said, Do you have something for yours? So many. I remembered when I did for menopause, but like, you have something for menopause. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna work on it, and I did, and people liked it, so yeah, it's just basically paying attention to what people started doing, and then I started doing my research and findings and finding the plan. There's quite a lot of God, is so gracious, he's so he's so gracious, and that's why it's funny, I haven't quoted the Bible now. Um, how does it my people perish for lack of knowledge? There's a lot of lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. And I also think if you're not for me, I I'm not afraid to look foolish, I'm not afraid to not afraid to look foolish, I'm not afraid to bail myself out because there's a lot of plants also that people just use as decorative around the houses. So I'd be like, okay, I want this, and then I go. So I started to also realize that oh, God gave me my personality for a reason. So sometimes I be in someone's place or I'm weeding and then a security man, you know, white white country. Okay, hey, what you doing there? Then I'm like talking, talking, talking to save myself. So it started to dawn on me that oh, God gave me my personality for this vision that He's given me. So now when I go to places, I'm not afraid. And then my mom was telling something to me last people, like you're very bold, Sha. Like, I'm even when I go home, I go to Nigeria, I go into the thicker forest, and I'm not afraid. So I think all of that starting to realize that oh, all of the experiences that I've gone through in Cape Town, this personality of mine that is very curious and it's not afraid to look foolish, um, God gave me for a reason. So that's how it started. And now it's funny, I can just be driving by and I'm like, oh, that's medicine. And then my friends will be like, How did you know? I said, Yeah, it's just practice. So, yeah, basically, that's how I started. People started telling me what and what they're having, yes, and then I did my readings and also trying to also understand the sickness because you'll be surprised. There's a lot of medical terminologists that is now flying around. Oh, I have this one, this one. Like, okay, wait a minute. Let's explain what happened, then I break it down. Yeah, so that's how it is. So we started making product. Um we can do it this way, we can do it this way, we can do it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So basically, so please, woman, tell me now that you have something packaged for measura pain, right? You have a medicine for that now. You have a medicine for insomnia. I do, I do, and your mom, the BP, how is it going? Is it gone? So you have something of medicine for that now. I have quite a lot. No, no, no, no, no, woman. Let's let's break this down. Let's break, don't be modest about it. This is not don't be modest about it. Say it with your fishes, right? So I I know you want to be humble, I want to be humble about it, but like you said, God has been gracious, God gave it to you for it to use it to bless humanity. If they find the cure for cancer today, they'll be shutting off the rooftop, right? But now the treatment that is being used to manage and every other thing, we are we are singing praises, so you are one of our own, right? So if you have found anything before anybody will go and say they are the one that find it first, please will miss it with your fishes.
SPEAKER_05:No, I do have for the high blood pressure. I was just packing something, I'm just showing you.
SPEAKER_02:So okay, please do. Very interesting.
SPEAKER_05:So I was just working on some today, so we have this for eye blood pressure, so we're still like branding and all of that stuff. Like, you can see, like, is it yeah?
SPEAKER_02:I can see it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so this eye blood pressure. I've seen people who tell me um just three days of using it, the eye blood pressure, you know, is gone down, just three days. Yeah, I've had a lot of test uh reviews, fantastic reviews that blows my mind all the time. The insomnia one is a lot, it's also amazing, also sells a lot here in K Town. Yeah, struggle with sleep, so that also is fantastic. We called it relax and sleep, so it calms your nerves, and then you're able to like you know, it shut everything down. Yeah, so I pretty much do I do weight loss also. Anything and I like challenges, so but I do the common ones I have for diabetes, I have for high blood pressure, I have for weight loss, I have for um period, I have people with weak low I do for low blood pressure. I did talk to a friend, our mom was in Cape Town, and she was like, Victoria, do you have something for low blood pressure? My mom, da da da. I said, okay. So the thing with me is that when I get um, when I get and when someone tells me I need this, I walk at that church with all my heart and my mind, like it's the last thing, you know. Like I'm really putting my mind on the person's um prescription. And then she was like, My mom loves it, she's enjoying it. I need two more packets. So that's how my business has like, and that's how I don't even have the time to go online. It's like that.
SPEAKER_02:People word of mouth.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's been word of mouth. So a lady also got at for weight loss. She messaged me on Friday, she was like, Victoria, I've distributed your number all through the office. So she got the weight loss one, and I was like, she feel the the belly, the belly fat one. So, and it also does the same for weight loss. So she got it, she gave us stuff, she used it, she sent me a video, and then now they're distributing it. So, yeah, basically, that's how yeah, word of mouth, and I just I like to understand an healment. So, let's say someone comes with a big word and says this is the I want to break it down, so I never really say I don't have for this one. Like when someone said to me menopause, it was intriguing in the first place. Like, hey, I would like to menopause, menopause is this, menopause is that, but I had to learn to break it down.
SPEAKER_02:The symptoms, he said the symptoms that you break down, yes.
SPEAKER_05:The breaking down, what exactly? Why did they get it? What age, you know, all of that stuff. It takes a lot, and that's why I always say to people, give me two weeks, give me a week, I'll get back to you. And then, yeah, so that's basically how we have we have moved, and I like to do it myself, and then also over time I started to find um companies that sell abs also. Like, I was able to find a plant pharmacy here, which I was very grateful for. Like they it's an organized, it's a structured business where they collect abs all over the world. We just go to them, we register, and then we buy. But for me personally, I like to work with fresh abs as much as possible.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, because the fresher it is, the better it is. Fantastic. So, because the nutrition is still locked in. So, Wumi, did you have to get you know in Nigeria they have the navdak number in the UK? They also have where you have to register to do all these things. Have you got into the stage whereby you have a registration? And then not yet.
SPEAKER_05:So, I'll tell you why. I was very quick to register my counseling business, I was very quick to register my therapy business. Like I was on the map, on the government radar, everything, which is fantastic, but it didn't give me, I didn't understand the rigors. So I was watching a YouTube video about where this girl was like, marriage and kids are two different things, like trying to get to children should be optional, it shouldn't be enforced on us, which is true, like you said. Like kids are a different ballgame entirely. You should be able to choose, but a lot of us just go married and then like the next thing is kids. So it was the same way. I didn't get to understand the business of the business. Yeah, so you get it. Like when you file your tax, you have to file your tax, you have to do everything. How much did you spend? How much did you do this? How much? So I said to myself, my next business, I'm not going to be in a hurry to put myself out there, even on social media, even on anything. I want to understand my business first. And because also in the beginning I started with different products. Now I also wanted to understand what people wanted.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You know, so over time I've there's some product I've had to stop producing because people didn't like um the taste. Not that it was not effective, but it was not, you know, the taste was so hard. Yeah, and the problem is those are the ones that work better. So I've got to so I said to myself, not in Nigeria, not in Cape Town. I'm not in a hurry because I wanted to understand my numbers first, I wanted to understand what I was doing first. Yeah, I want now I can say, Yes, we're gradually getting there that we can say, oh yeah, we know what's selling in Cape Town, we know what's selling in Nigeria, yeah. Now let's get you know on the radar. Wow, so yeah, that was why I was like, no, I'm not in a hurry because I did it with the counseling one, and I was like, no.
SPEAKER_02:So what we are saying there, you know, I always tell people there is no experience that is wasted, it's an opportunity for you to learn, and then it informs you in how you're going to make better choices in the future. So I like the fact that you are not going to rush. What I'll call your stage now is like a researcher, you're a developer, the researcher, you are developing your herbs and all the stuff. And to be honest, it's the way to go, especially in what you're doing. You are doing you're getting feedback from your consumers, you are understanding the rudiments of the job, the measurements, how much of these do I need because you are using herbs, you have to know what is the quantity and what is the quantity of this, and how which of these herbs work together, like you said, some people did not like the taste, however, it was very, very effective. So you have to find a way to make to make it um beside. suitable for people's um tasteboard and then it will still do the job because if you don't take it no matter how effective it is never going to cure you is never going to work right so what is the way forward i am so loving this for you you don't know i am oh i cannot express this i am so loving this for you because what i see uh that you are sitting on is something that will be trans transferred to generation generation to come from you because imagine you get all these things in paper you know the measurement of this and then you pass it to your generation to your children and they pass it on you become a generation of uh of people that uh just how will i say it's like a pharmacy it's like a traditional pharmacy they are developing there we don't know how far this is good but what is what what what do you see how do you think this is going to pan out because i'm just loving it thank you i like the fact that you actually mentioned generation so last week someone was at my place and we were talking and I was like do you know I'm also very fascinated by these women that sell abs in Nigeria like the unregulated ones and all of that I'm very fascinated by them I want to learn from them I want to like submit myself under them to learn from them because I also believe they are from a different generation and their knowledge needs to be passed down which they haven't got a lot of them just like oh I pass it to my child and to my child but there there really isn't any documented processes and all of that stuff so I'm very intrigued I want to learn from them um the last time I was in Lagos I went to this woman's selling and I was like mommy what do you do with this and she was very eager to teach me so I want to learn from those people also and like I also said like bring my own fresh eyes and my own modern and young way of doing stuff and then if we can like merge it together I feel like we would really have um we would especially for Africa I'm very passionate about Africa especially for Africa where healthcare is very expensive a lot of people are not on medical insurance I know how much I used to spend on my dad's treatment before I started on plants you know and he would like I've sent you this money use it to go and treat himself and then if not I'm still back to the same treatment again how many months the same issue again I'm like I will start looking for another fresh money to send you to go to hospital again.
SPEAKER_05:So I'm very like very passionate about Nigeria and then probably Africa as a whole because I feel like we're sitting on a lot of gold yes also and when I say Africa as a whole like my my I have someone who works with me like helps me with the uh cleaning of the house and all of that she's lost quite a lot of our family members and I'm like like I said sicknesses that are preventable and these people in the rural areas that the plants are so you know voluminous are so many so I do tend to do education where I go around to teach the older ones how to like um use what God has given to them. Africa also has malnutrition problems in many ways especially children I see quite because last year I was in Nigeria for two months so I was doing some groundwork field work and I saw quite some kids you know that were that were really looking malnourished and we have so much um medicinal trees and medicinal that are just there people have no clue so there's just so much that we have back home I'm very passionate about back home yeah so I do want to like enlighten my people I do want to I yeah I just want to create an awareness of what we have back home and also see a way where you know Africa like they always say Africa is the way forward yes what can um western people need.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah fantastic one step after the other yeah and so like we just recently lost our skincare I'm just looking at my skin and I'm like I try it oh please please blow your oars the skin is skinny I can see it it is beautiful flawless flawless I haven't used a powder in like in like a year or two really and your skin is just glowing like this hey this is good so like I said the creation part so I was like okay we've done these teas for we started we launched in January so I was like we've done for like uh let's move into another section so I started experimenting with soaps soaps and face creams and all of that I'm just looking at my skin as I'm looking at I'm like ah but trying you know that that's what I've used so far we just launched taste also plants to taste oh there's yeah yeah so there's there's just a variation of different I can say that's the also way forward as there's also variation of products that I am actually also launching out and they're all 100% plant so not using any additive or anything and they're giving results to be honest so the results is gingering me like no wonder why your teeth is just shiny look at your teeth look at your teeth spots I'm telling it's blunt too and the funny part was to be to be like cover my eyes I didn't even realize how brown my teeth has gone you know motherhood can just take a toll on you I also it was when I started experimenting I was like ah let's use this ah ah getting white eh run so yeah we are like experimenting different different um different product line different product perfumes um home scents all kinds of stuff that we're we're still gonna get into this good mile are you ready are you ready for these gold miles that you're sitting on no i am so glad I am the first person you are granting interview you understand I am so glad I am the first person that you are granting interview on this your journey and I'm happy for you I'm happy for you for for so many reasons that you you know it's not it's not um we we we a lot of us complain oh why people die young why this doing this or why this person the children getting sick especially back to school or at the end of school session during the cold time but you did not join on the complaint train you decide to do something about it this is about turning your pain into a passion and a purpose and at the end we are also going to be enjoying it now one thing I just want to say as a researcher myself is only in this journey that you are embarking on that you already embark on please make sure you write your papers you know in the western world a lot of people coming to other countries that human be already exist that you're telling me you discovered this ocean you discovered this this tree you discovered this where people not existing in that country the only difference was that people did not probably take a picture of it people did not document the existence of those things so whilst you are doing it as a traditional stuff please ensure that you are writing papers about it i am sure they have the traditional medical um uh association and bodies please write papers publish papers women publish papers you need to publish your papers and put your name on your things i was like wow we do have a board in nigeria i was like no no this is amazing yeah fantastic so yeah you need to start writing papers the papers don't have to be don't have to be long some of them they are even word um word specific so you need yes your people that will peer review it and stuff like that but as you are doing things as your things your brand is getting bigger and bigger it is very very important that you publish papers with it that you write articles about it let your name be known with this your invention there are so many of our inventions that have been lost to people that did not even make it just because they were the one we make alone and then I get like off the camera I wish I no no no with me this is no matter of camera okay so you are going to drop that I know no no you're gonna drop that shyness right you are going to get your name printed out okay you don't have to put your pictures on papers but your name should be there that you are the one that did this research and you are the one that made this groundbreaking research I've seen people our people doing operation removing a baby from a mother's womb correcting what needs to be corrected and putting the baby right back and I'm so glad that the social media are going mad about it without that that glory would have probably been passed on to another race not us anyways so it is so important whilst we are doing these things that we document it in a way that our name will be on it and history will do us justice that it was woman that this particular one there might be others after you there might be others that are not as popular before yours or it doesn't matter but you need to put your name on it because all these your hard work your investment and everything that you're doing it has to make sense and the only way it will make sense is documentation documentation documentation and bringing it out there thank you for that I'll keep note of that please do please do I really honestly do feel like I just feel like how do I explain it I feel like it has given us everything that we really need to survive everything every single thing in fact if you don't have money today you find food on the street but just how you know how you find the food where you find the food like I really I've been to a park actually I went to fix my car and I was about driving the car out and they had this very big you know garden right just out where they put all their fancy you know plants and then in between I started like oh this meant is this meant it's so you know so I started to get my bag so I always have this bag in the car just for cases like that.
SPEAKER_05:So I started picking and this guy's like stop picking I was like I'm not picking your plants now I'm not picking your plants so then it was like stop so I wasn't listening and then the owner of the the company came down I was like so I was like this is your plants this is your fancy beautiful plant this is your fancy this one you're not the one that created this now. It's really that fell and then he grew out of the ground you didn't put this there I'm just growing so it was like really what do you use I'm like this is for this is for see in case of farming you can use this one to eat in case weather you can use it and that's how I see back home also you know that there's just quite a lot that people I'd had an incident last year while I was doing field work. So I was working on a farm and there was this um there was this um seamtress she was making some of my clothes and then so I went into a store and I saw the child I saw her son his son was so you know malnourished and was so sick had a lot of rashes on his head and I was like what what have you used for this child I've used this I've used that so I said come with me so then I took her out on just on the street I said pick this one pick this one pick this one go make it into this and give to your child to do this to do this to do that so sometimes I'm just like blown away by the resources that God has given us he's given us so much mommy please stop I like food stories please stop so what now happened to that child I like story she picked it up and she used it for the child and people as long as you follow what I'm saying because I've done I've I've done the pleasure of experimenting the first time I did uh uh the abs combination that can when you eat something spout food poisoning it can heal it I tested it on myself I remember that the I deliberately held um spout chicken just because I was testing that's like yeah that's the you have to gamble but I knew that I had what was going to last last I'll land in the hospital but I had to bank yeah you know you have to bank on your own product yeah I always say there's nothing I'm selling to you that I've not tried on my body you see I've tried a lot on my own health because I know how to bring myself out again yeah so if you follow what I did and she did she did for the child so I was like really you can use this you can use okay yes and it worked it does even my younger brother was telling me I ah thank you you're always teaching me this you're always teaching me that when you get a cough like he knows what to use so wow yeah so I just feel like God has given us so much and sadly there's quite a lot of people trying to like you know kill whatever it is that is out there there are people who have this information already who knows there's some plants that people make extinct extinct just because they don't want you know just because they don't want people yeah there are a lot of plants that are really the case of ginger going on in Nigeria now they're introducing gmo ginger to Nigeria and different different kinds of stuff so they the the it's some just like corn the real corn has also gone out now you eat the sweet corn as much as as health conscious as I am I remember when I when I eat normal corn that is not sweet corn I'm like but even though I know that the sweet corn is GMO gigan so there are some people that are very particular and making sure that some of these plants are becoming extinct how do we prevent that I think it's only him that can prevent that I honestly think only him and Doc is say documenting just like you say documenting I think the human heart is very gritty. Like there's there's this country where they process frankincense frankincense is used for certain things so western people go to this African country and they make sure that they take so much from these guys that they don't even have enough you know to get to make more yeah so I don't know the human heart is just so but I always say that God is so merciful that it's not one plant that does one thing. No it's not it's not so if this one goes extinct there's another one that he has created somewhere somewhere that does the same thing. We just need to discover it and there are also that are preserved like Amazon rainforest I've heard and it's on my it's on my list of places I want to go next year it's one of the places where you still find a lot of the real creations creatures plants medicines that got created and do you know why because the Mexican people there have protected that place so much that they haven't let the government or this the greedy people take it away from them they are like a tribe protecting that place.
SPEAKER_02:Amazing yeah take a picture when you get there and send it to us I want to see thank you so much for your time today I'm really intrigued we could go on discussing more and more about this you know I'm a nature lover I believe that you can talk to your plant and they talk back at you I went to Austria last year and we did this meditation whereby you just woke up to a plant or a flower and you just talk to them you know and you even if you can even org them when you're feeling like oh there's no one to org you can actually plant I aug things yes you can or trees and they give you life they give you this energy they give you warmth they tell you they do they do I did it in Austria I was like what is uh Austria here I was like what is this thing this man is telling us to do now to just go around this flower we just wait and then we went around the garden and my partner is like hug the tree I'm like okay I'm hugging it I'm hugging and I felt I felt I felt the tree was was looking back at me human beings and human beings we're not different what see plants get hungry they get thirsty the same way we do they get hungry they get thirsty they get sick yeah the same way and if the same in fact the day I was doing goldfish I had four goldfish and I was like Jesus these guys are the same thing as human beings the water tank must be clean you must not feed them too much otherwise they'll be bloated because yeah it's the there's no difference when I go out harvest the plant I usually say thank you to them I said thank you for giving me so much of your plant my mom was like Lily what are you doing I was like you don't get it you really these things are life yes it's life in in them that you are using for healing yes so if you got like gra gra it might not even you know it's not fetish but it might not even like work for it's it's life that's true even I I I burn plants so I got um sometimes even for it to freshen the hair in my in my room instead of using the diffuser I just get this um I just get this um this iron stuff and I put inside and I burn when I started I was like I mean I'm not reading any mini to it like those women I'm just like freshening my hair and you will be amazed at how much it changes the atmosphere of the room so fast.
SPEAKER_05:You know everything looks fresh and clean every illness whatever gets health so air is also something very there's just a lot is how you interpret it and also understanding I hope to also have a school one day to teach people.
SPEAKER_02:Fantastic I think you'll be a fantastic teacher to pass this knowledge to other people and maybe think of the digital one as well for people like ourselves that are very very intrigued with it. There was an experiment that was done of different trees um different plants that was planted and one of them was shown love another was ignored and another was always verbally insulted you will you believe it that there was a research done on it that the one that was shown love was blossoming the one that was ignored weeded and die the one that was always abused was just stunted nothing not they they they're life they all they all have life they have life when we go to harvest i tell my team don't harvest anyhow don't harvest in such a way that you're going to affect the plant harvest respectfully you know even when I when I feel like I'm not in the right mental state I don't want to harvest the plant because I feel I'm gonna do damage on the plant it's gonna take a long time for the plants to recover.
SPEAKER_05:It's the same as human beings you take too much from a human being they become so you know exhausted and tired they don't it takes a while to recover back. It's the same thing he made everything in such a very symbiotic way I think for anything this this journey has taken me is to appreciate the creator a lot more to like really really like I mean all like the the way I love him is it's beyond religion of the Bible says because I Get to really see, like, wow, there's no difference between plant and human beings. In fact, they're way more stronger than us because they to withstand all kinds of temperature. We we cannot withstand the winter. We have to like, yeah, I need clothes. I need yeah, so it's given me such an awe, such an awe for him. So much to say, wow, you've given us so much that I can't express.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, thank you so much, Wumi. So on this podcast, right? I've asked you all the questions that I needed to ask. I don't want to keep you much longer. In this podcast, we always ask people that add to you because you are you still have your family, you are doing this, and now you are growing a team, and you are still doing your research, you're doing feed work. That's still a lot on you. But there's something in post-sychology that said whatever you are doing that you enjoy, it gets you into a state of flow, and when you are in a state of flow, you will get um this happy homo's dopamine and everything released in your body that you lose track of time, you don't even know, and the stress doesn't come up because there's no cortisol that is being released in your system. So, how do you manage to manage everything that you do without getting to into that state of where you're stressed out? How do you manage that so we can learn from it?
SPEAKER_05:I cannot say I do not get stressed out, but I just know how to manage it. And this is honestly for this is not for bragging. I always say that I do so much more than an average mom in abroad raising children like me, like someone who is at the same similar state.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So when I started to expand and I had a team back home, yeah. So when I thought, because I always encourage honesty, so they're like, ah, when this is more true. Ah, yeah, I'm almost there, though. I won't so be like, eh, is this what me I'm doing? And I'm still like, wow. So they they give me that feedback, they make me on because I'm like, no, the quality must be the same. I cannot sell something that I'm not proud of. So I'm like, you have to do this, you have to play this, you have to do this. So when they start complaining, I'm like, wow, so I get to. So I would really say, and I always say this my teeth keep me alive. That's what I always say. Your teeth, my tease, my my product.
SPEAKER_02:My oh, your teeth, your tease, right? Okay, fantastic.
SPEAKER_05:I feel that I'm gonna see now. So I'm able to juggle so much more, even now. I'm learning to to say I'm exhausted, I don't want to do it in. So because I'm so used to I'm tired, I get the energy, I do it again. I'm tired, I get energy, I do it again. Yeah, so with my tease, so I've got this particular one. We call it um um it's gotten different names over time, but we're rebranding to call it energy boost, right? So it boosts your immune system, it supplies you with vitamins and minerals and all of that stuff. So when you take it, you're tired, it gives you that so you continue again. So that is that really is my secret, to be honest. So I take it every time, I take it like water. I don't really drink normal water anymore. So there's always a teabag in in cups. There's always a teabag in cups that I take it in the car, it's in the house, it's everywhere, yeah. Anywhere I'm going to. So that's how it's like my own coffee, but in a good kind of way. That it gives me more positives than negative. You know, caffeine has also been abused, yeah. That's you know, it's been tampered a bit also, that it gives people a lot of side effects. But this one doesn't. It just kind of so in the morning when I wake up is my first thing I think. When I'm stressed, I take it. When I'm this, I take it. So that's how I'm able to honestly juggle what I do. I would say my immune, yeah, my energy boost, my immune boost, it's it's how I it's how I survive.
SPEAKER_02:So what I hear you say is that you pay attention to your body, you are in sync with your body.
SPEAKER_05:Before I didn't know how to, but now I know. Even even today, I've done quite like this da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, but I still like get up and I like you know, so I drink it all the time and it helps me. Okay, so now see people like I'm tired. I'm like, no, you need to take, you need to buy my you need to do it for me, but I'm like, because I live it, yeah so I leave it where I'm able to like, oh, focus on my kids, focus on this, focus on that, but still, though, even with that, I'm still also aside that, I'm also learning now the art of saying no. That's what I didn't know how to do before. So I'm also learning to say no, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not going to do it. So, because I'm the fun mom. I like to take my kids out, like I like more outdoors than indoors. But when I see that I've gotten to this acting threshold, even though I know I've got a tea that would help me with it, I still say, Oh, kids, no, I can't do this today. So I'm learning to like say no to things or to like not do so many at the same time. Yes, so yeah, you know how they say women can't have it all. So some days the business is doing okay, sometimes the business is like going down, and then the kids take you know from yeah, but yeah, learning to say no and resting a lot, also. I think that's another thing I'm learning to do. Okay, mental rest where I'm like, okay, today I'm gonna shut down.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I also and I also think that people need to know how you recharge, how you because we all recharge differently. I was saying to my brother on Wednesday, I knew I'd gotten to my threshold. Yes, on Wednesday, I was like, no, I need to get out of the city, so I drove out of the city, and I was like in the field, and I was so excited and jumping, and so that boosted me again. So when you know how you recharge, you then you some people it's calling a friend and talking for hours, some people, some people is movies. You have to know how you recharge you. Yeah, so fantastic.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you, Miss. What I hear you say now is that you do use your team, you do not do it all by yourself. Even Proverbs 31 woman had people working with her and for her, so you do have people as a team working for you. You are not afraid to say no. You use your no, that's setting boundaries for yourself. You're very, very self-aware, so that helps you to know when your body needs your energy boost, and you use your tea for your energy boost, and also you say you do rest, so you incorporate rest into your schedule and above or no how to re-energize yourself. I love that. No how to read some people just need their space and nobody around them, and they will be re-energized. Other people they need to make that focal, especially the extroverts, and they are good. Other people they just need to go into nature and they are fine. How do you re-energize yourself? Do you know that? So I'm giving that as something for you to go and reflect on and check, uh, check on yourself, study yourself, and know how you recharge. For me, I have so many ways of recharging because I'm an extrovert. I put my hand up. So that's good. Wombi, thank you so much for joining us today. What's your final word before you leave? And so we can wrap this up. Do you have any final word for us?
SPEAKER_05:I would say slow living. I think that's that's the thing I'm learning now. We live together in a very fast-paced world. We um I want to do this, I want to do, I want to do this. Slow living is good, and I know that slow living looks like uh it's but slow living in the sense that you might you know do all the juggle, but still you find time to incorporate you. Last year I learned that your body is a is is like is how to explain it's like is a masterpiece how you treat it. Are you abusing the body that God gave you, the health that God gave you, or are you taking care of it? And your health is the foundation of everything. Without health, you have nothing. Yeah, so even in the sense where you're like, okay, this week I'll go all out. Know when to get out and know when to slow down. I think that's something that we're not taught. You're always like, be on the run, be on the run, be on the run. So always know when to slow down, incorporate slowness into your into your living, switch off the media, pick up a book, or sleep, you know. That habit of or playboard games, that's another thing that I love. I collect board games, playboard games, take your mind, switch off. So, as human beings, we're not designed to. If you really look at the original design of the human beings, we were created to be in nature, but now all the nature is replaced with houses and technologies and all of that. It's too much for our process for. So sometimes we need to learn to switch off and be in tune with yourself, then you're happier that way. You're not comparing yourself. I'm not comparing myself to abyss. You know, there's something that about you that I also like, like, like I see that you have family around in UK, right? Yeah, yes, yes. I see people, I'm envious of that because I don't have that, right? So I'm like, okay, so when I see, I'm like, okay, it's good, she's good. She has, I wish I did, but I don't, yeah. I do get it. So you really do, and because if you're always on the go, go, go, go, go, you start comparing yourself to start feeling like your own life is like shitty and bad and all that. But when you are tuned and you like, okay, this is me, this is what I have. In fact, I was saying to myself that I want to start this thing called gratitude jar, where I'm like, okay, I start there's some things I don't have, but there's still some things I'm very grateful for.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:So yeah, I would I would say learn to to slow down, learn to switch off, learn to do other things aside the fast paced that we're all in. Yeah, it's too much for the brain, it's too much, it's too much.
SPEAKER_02:Oh me, it's been so refreshing talking to you today. So so refreshing. Thank you so much. Thank you. On behalf of all the um the audience, people that are going to be listening to this podcast on any platform on YouTube, Spotify, Audible, Apple, and all other platforms. We say thank you, me. And this has been Authentic Tribe Podcast. I hope you take a lot from this podcast. Make do with it, and make sure you keep driving and keep staying authentic to yourself until I come your way again and remain your own Sonia as I keep storing and blah blah blah.