Wellness and Wealth
Wellness and Wealth
Where Does The Body End And The Spirit Begin? (with Lori Krajewski)
We explore disease as the loss of ease across the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual layers, tracing roots through ancestral trauma, environmental toxins, and learned suppression. We share practical tools to notice subtle body cues, rebuild worth, and restore ease in life and business.
• redefining disease as loss of ease across systems
• ancestral load, industrial toxins, intergenerational stress
• childhood suppression of feelings and body signals
• body dashboard metaphor and subtle symptom tracking
• medical gaslighting and turning to holistic care
• moving from supplements to quantum‑level integration
• surrender, perspective, and releasing fear narratives
• entrepreneurial dis‑ease in pricing, clients, and messaging
• observation, mirrors, coaching, and foundation repair
• self‑worth, identity shifts, and emotional maturity
• letting go of anger and drama to regain energy
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Hi everyone. My name is Wendy Mangero, your host of Wellness and Wealth. And of course, we're back for another episode. Today's topic Healing the Cause of Disease. So today we have Lori Kryjowski with us. Lori's previous work started with medical transcription, serving general practice, hand and upper extremity specialty, psychiatry and chiropractic. She later worked as an executive assistant in both the private and nonprofit sectors while supporting her husband's small business as an administrator. She has certifications in biopractic meditation and raithy. She has had training in psychology and human behavior and quantum healing. Because of her education in both allopathic and holistic healing, her lifetime of experience with trauma, mystery illness, medical gaslighting, and quantum healing. She has a unique ability to listen between the lines and see beyond what is spoken. Her work and the modality she uses are as unique and diverse as each individual and organization she serves. Welcome to the show, Lori. Thank you. Thanks for having me. All right, so we're going to get really in topic. When I said the word disease, it was this, not disease. It's this unease of self. I'm assuming. So, but I'd love to know specifically to you, what does disease mean?
SPEAKER_00:So with the allopathic and holistic worlds clashing in my life, we look at disease as something that we can code medically. So insurance pays for it, right? So we look at diabetes as a disease or Perkins's as a disease. So what is ease to me? To me, disease is any area where we are lacking ease, where we are lacking wellness. So it can be literally anything that we feel uneasy with, something that doesn't come easy to us, where we don't feel healthy in areas of our life. And of course, that is always going to end up manifesting in the physical body, but it often starts with a trauma or an emotion or a stressful life event. It brings discomfort and lack of ease into our lives. And it can eventually manifest into physical disease.
SPEAKER_01:I always feel like there's some warning signs before we get into a major illness. Strangely enough, I was actually born with cancer as a baby, which is rare that you're born with it. And I know my mom at the time had so much stress in her life. I'm not blaming her by any means, but I just know that from my own experience, and even anytime I've ever been sick, there's usually stress. When it comes to the ideas of disease, most people ignore those things. So you're experienced what happens when you ignore those things.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna back up just a little bit. This is so interesting because I don't know anything about you, and I would have never known that you were one of the ones that breaks the mold, that typically we're born into this world and then we get sick. But you're one of the ones that broke the mold and came in right off the bat, you get to learn a really tough lesson and how to heal. I say that with all due respect to you and to your mom. When I meant by backing up, is we have to realize that we aren't just born into our bodies. We are born into our ancestors' bodies. And this can go back. Some people say five generations, some people seven generations. I say there is no limit to how far it can go back to what we are born into down in our DNA. We have multiple lines of ancestors' DNA in us. So when our ancestors experienced illness, disease, trauma, war, strife, and all of that, that is in our DNA. Because that is passed forward through the mothers. We have no choice but to be born with all of that baggage. If we just go back even a couple hundred years, anybody born after the Industrial Revolution has been exposed to an exponential amount of toxicity in our environment than any ancestors that came before us. They didn't have to worry about heavy metals and glyphosate and cadmium and pesticides and herbicides and fungicides and all of the chemicals that we are bombarded with every single day. So if you think back just a few generations, your great-grandmother and your grandmother, and then your mom, we don't know where they were raised and what they were exposed to and what they passed forward to you while you were in the womb. So given that you had a kind of a bumpy start, you didn't have an opportunity to really start listening to the cues of your body. We're not taught that. As children, we're not taught that these really soft, subtle cues are actually big fat red flags that we need to pay a whole lot of attention to. Because, like you said, when we don't even know that our body is telling us something every single day, our bodies are such miraculous, amazing tools, instruments, vehicles, whatever it is that you want to label your body, they are absolutely fascinating. And just like our cars have a whole dashboard that can light up when things are going wrong. Our body does that too. But it's just not that obvious. And we're not trained and educated to know that these discomforts are our lights on our dashboard. Those headaches are not something we can just aspirin away. Those are huge lights on the dashboard that absolutely need attention immediately for the function of our body. And that can be said for anything. If we've got gastrosophosophageal reflux disease, that is a huge red flag and people medicate it away. So I think the very first step is learning to understand the really subtle cues that our bodies give us and really be dedicated to listening to those cues and doing something to support the body. We have to change our oil. We have to put premium fuel in it. We have to take it into the mechanic every once in a while, virtue enough, and do all of the right things for our bodies, for the best possible outcomes, not just for ourselves, but any future generations, for our relationships, for our businesses, for all of life.
SPEAKER_01:One of the things I was gonna say, and I'm curious about your thoughts about this, is that as children, you're always taught to brush off anything that happens to you. Yes. Like you skin your knee, you just kind of brush it off, and you get that they're trying to teach resilience. I understand that. But on the other side of that, I don't think that we sometimes pay enough heed when children say something, that there's something wrong. And the other thing that I think that we do is oh, you're young, that shouldn't bother you. And it teaches kids not to pay attention to themselves.
SPEAKER_00:I'm glad you brought that up because that's one of the topics that I try to suggest to people so much is that the minute we start learning language, is the minute we start shutting down our innate wisdom. We start shutting down our intuition, we start shutting down our feelings. Absolutely, we start shutting down our feelings. And I'm not saying this is all bad. Like you said, there is some resilience to that. But the minute that we start learning language is the minute that parents start saying, use your words. Kids don't hold back. If they're upset, you know it. The full restaurant knows it. We are taught to suppress that. It's not just emotions, but it's the physical stuff too. Kids are very self-centered and need a lot of attention. Sometimes they do it for attention. And it's hard as an adult to navigate what they truly need in that moment. Do they truly just need some attention and they're maybe making up some stories to get that attention? Or do they really have a tummy ache? And if they do have a tummy ache, is it all emotion? Is it really just emotion that they're starting to feel the manifestation of shutting down their feelings? It it's tough to navigate as a parent. I had a very sensitive son when he was young. And it was hard for me to discern when he needed attention and when he had a physical symptom brought on by food or emotion because he was overwhelmed with the situation he was in. We don't grow out of that, right? We did as adults, we don't grow out of being really uncomfortable in situations and having a physical symptom in response to that discomfort. What we can do is redo some of that self-care that we might or might not have received as kids when we're trying to navigate those uncomfortable situations. No fault to our parents. They did the best job they knew how to do with the tools they were given, right?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, talk about a generation that had to learn quote unquote resilient, independent. And then I would the whole thing is that mental health was certainly not prevalent, like of getting help at that time when you had issues. But the interesting thing that I heard was the other day, and I'd love to hear your talk about this because there is when we talk about the C's and these motions and how especially Gen Xers were very tough it out, latch queue kids, that kind of thing, is that now these Gen Xers are taking care of their parents. It's very different because emotionally many Gen Xers are having trouble with their parents who are older, who are having medical issues, and there's a resentment because and and some, not all, need emotional care that we were not given in this generation. It's an interesting thing. And when we talk about disease, we have parents who kind of ignored our symptoms. I hope that the longer we live, the more we understand that it's really important to pay attention to these things, even if it is with our parents. But it is this interesting time that we're living in for those who had parents who didn't give us the validation that we needed to be heard and now learning how to do that for ourselves and then be able to give that back to our parents.
SPEAKER_00:If we even learned it for ourselves, yeah. I think a lot of us joke, but it's not funny that most adults are just children in large bodies. Because a lot of people have grown older and into adulthood, but they still don't really know how to navigate feelings and discomfort and uncomfortable situations. We're still caught in that somewhat automatic response and reaction instead of being able to be solid in our own personal knowing and observing the situation and being called to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner. I think many of us still just react. We lash out, we defend, we protect. And it really comes down to maturity. We don't always mature just because we get older. The ability to mature is something to be proud of because not everybody does it. It's not something that's passed down to the generations. I think it's modeled. Parents can model mature behavior or care really immature behavior. We can rise above our own environments, observe our own behaviors, and realize I really didn't like how I behaved in that situation. I need to do better. We can mature ourselves, but that doesn't mean after 18, we're all mature and we all know all the things. There are plenty of eight-year-olds who are still very immature, they still react and they're still just not emotionally intelligent and emotionally beyond really childhood. And I think that really just all comes down to each individual. And I can speak from my own personal experience. When I was young, my sister passed away and it shattered our whole family. Each one of us went into our own corners and licked our wounds, and we never came back together. I didn't know this at the time because I was very young, but in hindsight, I can see that my parents were not that emotionally mature. When such a devastating event happened in our family, they were completely ill-equipped to handle it for themselves, let alone handle it for me and my other sister. So at the age of 13, I was officially on my own. And I had to fend for myself. And in those moments, we're given the opportunity to either wither and die or adapt and change. So that which does not kill us makes us stronger, right? Sometimes you wonder if it's really gonna kill you. I have there have been so many events in my life that I think, really, how am I gonna survive this? And you do, because you're either resilient or you're not. Sometimes life shows you curveballs and you have to find out real quick what you are in any given moment. And sometimes, similar to my parents, people don't survive them. That's really where their life kind of stops. And my mom is older now, and she is actually very sick, and I am her only caregiver. In a way, I've had to take care of a mother who abandoned me. And I'm not gonna lie and say there hasn't been moments of resentment, but it really is just moments because I'm not that child anymore. I don't have to feel abandoned and discarded and betrayed and frustrated. It's my choice to stay there, or it's my choice to say, that's not who I am anymore. This is what she needs right now, today. And I have the ability to give it. So step up and give it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm my mom's caregiver too. It's interesting because I really give her all of the props for taking care of me with cancer. She was the parent who was really there. She had other issues, and they stemmed as we went forward in life. Divorce, whole nine yards. And anyway, but I say that and I realized too, my family fell apart for different reasons through alcoholism when I was 13. Actually, it started when I was six and it really exploded at 12. And so from 11 on, we went from a nucleus family to Ford to like I was alone all the time. I understand the feeling of suddenly feeling abandoned, and it's an interesting thing because I have I got my moments. I've certainly had my moments where I'm like, this is not what I thought it was gonna work out to be. And then there's other moments where I really get to go, you know what? She was there for you when you were little. She was in your corner and advocated for you despite all of the insanity around you. You wouldn't be here if she didn't do that. Being able to see that balance is an amazing thing. And I think that as you talk about emotional maturity, is the ability to be able to say, like, no, I'm not gonna like this every day. But the emotional mature side to me is like this is the right thing to do. And it's so different because I don't know if I was always taught to do that right thing, but I've been able to do it despite sometimes how I feel, which is a really, really important thing. For you, when did you realize that holistic healing was the best approach? We're talking about some heavy topics. How did you learn that was the way you were gonna feel from all of this?
SPEAKER_00:So I started out the same as everybody does. You go to the doctor, you bring your symptoms, they give you pills and they don't work. By the age of 15, I was already starting to exhibit some serious health issues digestively. By the time I was 17, I was having episodes that they still to this day can't tell me what they were. But every time mencies would start, I would lose large gaps of time and sleep up to 20 hours a day. They can't tell me exactly what they were. I was studied for seizures, I was studied for migraines. It doesn't matter. It's that was them, this is now. But essentially what led me to ballistic health was failure of allopathic health. Because by the time I was 24, I had become so grossly underweight and unwell, it wasn't working. And all allopathic medicine wanted to offer was antidepressants to stimulate my appetite. Appetite was not the problem. It was everything else that happened after I ate. All of the tests are normal, all of the labs are normal, everything's normal, you're fine. Perhaps it's all in your mind. That's where I really focus on reassuring people that there is such a thing as medical gaslighting. They do absolutely, especially with women, dismiss you, that you're hypochondriac, you're making you know, it's all stress, it's all stress, it's all stress, it's all stress. A lot of it is stress, but it is the physical manifestation that has gone on for so long that it's finally starting to destroy your body. I walked away from allopathic medicine and I started seeing a naturopathic doctor who introduced me to a world I didn't even know existed: refluxology, acupuncture, herbal medicine, homeopathic medicine, oils, bach flowers, and all of these beautiful medicines that have existed far longer than most of us, I did start to heal to some extent. But it wasn't until I started to really go beyond the physical and the herbs, tinctures, supplements, and even beyond the emotional. I went all the way into the quantum realm of infinite possibility. If you've ever heard the name Dolores Cannon, she used to work with her husband and they would hypnotize people and do past life regression stuff. But what I was doing was similar, but it didn't focus on past life regressions. It focused on moving beyond anything you can imagine within your physical or within your emotional or within your mental or within your spiritual. It was beyond this earthly realm in a way, to a place where we originate. And it's when we can move beyond ourselves into the place of oneness where we all come from, it's like how do you even put it into human words? It's like you immediately, you immediately know where the dis-ease is. And you can even point in your body where that dis-ease lies, what it stemmed from, and the trauma or stressful event in your life that might have sparked it. There's always something that triggers some kind of dis-ease in your body. It could be something as simple as heavy metals from generations before, but heavy metals and negative emotion go hand in hand. So it does have to be a multi-layered approach. I sincerely don't know how anybody can truly heal their physical bodies strictly by addressing the physical body ailments. If you are not also addressing the emotions that contribute, the unhealthy mental thoughts that contribute, the spiritual misalignments that contribute, I don't know that it's possible to truly heal. And if I were to stand before you, I would like you to point out to me where physical illness begins and ends, and where emotional illness begins and ends. Point out to me on my physical body where mental and spiritual, emotional and physical health begins and ends on my body. We're such a complex, multifaceted fascination of a human being that it's silly to me not to address all those other layers. To not cry is like saying, well, don't sneeze anymore. It's silly to not address all of those layers. What led me to that was failure of all of the others. Failure of allopathic medicine, not helping my physical body heal, led me to emotional, mental, spiritual healing. And then it trickles back down. When you start healing on a spiritual, mental, and emotional level, it absolutely trickles down into the body, and the body is so much happier. It functions so much better.
SPEAKER_01:I think there's two points. One is that many times when we go to the doctor, they're treating symptoms, not because. Granted, there's preventive medicine, but that's really something totally different. And then on the spiritual side or on the whole side, I always have this theory or have had it since I was very little, that if I can, if I could even possibly understand the infinite world or this infinite spiritual being that I am, I'm really actually making it too small. And the older I get, the more I believe that I live pretty close to the beach. And I love going down there because of that reason. Like many times, it's very difficult for me to stand at the ocean and go, Yep, I am a big deal here. It's so fast, right? And that's where I really think about that spiritual world is that it's so fast that if I try to explain it, it's like me trying to go against the current of the ocean. It's just not gonna work. And I find that people are trying to go against the current of the ocean, and then they can't understand why it's not working. They don't feel well why it's not working. And I think that when there's this ability to let go to be able to kind of go, I'm a very small part of a very, very large whole, and I just got to figure out what I'm supposed to do in the present moment. There's a release in beds, then you're able to heal yourself. I was the person who was born sick. I went through most of my young life into probably my 20s. And I share about this often of everybody telling me don't do stuff because I was gonna get sick again. Although I had gotten in early, the basis of my whole childhood was this fear of getting it again. And it took years for me to be like, yeah, I don't know if I can do anything or not do anything, that I'm gonna strike myself with cancer again in that realm of very punishment, very fear-based. Yes, very fear-based. I realized that people are, you know, those around me who were saying it to me is because they had their own fears, they had watched me go through this. So I understand that also puts limits on you as a person where you don't trust this incident being out there because you're listening to the world around you going stays more. You took on their fear. And so, you know, as I got older, I go, yeah, no, that's not gonna work for me. But it was those things that I had to holistically look at, especially in the spiritual, emotional, mental realm. I can't do what you want me to do. That's never gonna work for me. I think that all of us have our purpose for coming here, and we can't live in somebody else's purpose for all of that stuff you were talking about. For a female entrepreneur who feels like, what are their signs? What are signs that they're living in this disease that they're not functioning well? I always think that, especially women, we get so used to this of life. We have, we don't realize while we're in it that there's something wrong with that. Not something wrong like we're bad, but something wrong like we've ignored it so long because it's just been our normal that it takes sometimes getting out of the situation for whatever reason, or just being able to look hindsight and go, this doesn't feel as good as I thought it was. Or we ignore those warning signs because we get so used to being tired, not feeling well. And we kind of just settle into that. When you can get yourself out of that environment just a little bit, you can find that there's something else. So what would that look like for female entrepreneurs who are going through that and going, I don't know if something dis-ase, I just know that this is what my life looks like right now.
SPEAKER_00:It's hard to answer because it's different for every individual. But I just go back to the word dis-ease. Where in your work are you feeling like it's not easy, where you feel uncomfortable, where you feel it's unhealthy? Is it your relationships with customers? Is it your relationship with money? Maybe the inability to really create the messaging or the content that you want to put out. And I say dive into whatever is uncomfortable and not easy, and that's not always easy to do because we can always see what everybody else is doing wrong, what everybody else's problems are, but it's really challenging to see our own stuff, even when we look, even when we are dedicated and committed and working hard to plow through our own junk, it's still hard to see how we're in our own way. First of all, you want to try to be the observer in your own life. That's not always easy. And if you keep hitting a wall and you're in this rut and you're not quite sure what you're doing wrong, but you know something's not working, it's time to reach out to a friend or a mentor. If you're in an organization and you have other levels, maybe reach out to somebody higher than you and say, I've been here long enough. Can you see how I'm not performing well and what's in my way? I'm trying to see it myself, but I'm just not seeing how I'm in my own way. Sometimes it's just easier to hire a coach and do an environmental analysis. They can pinpoint areas where you're not performing at your best and you can take steps to get there and make productive changes. It always starts with you. You are the foundation. If there's a crack in the foundation, find out where that crack is and repair it. And if it cracks again, repair it again. If that thick backs again, repair it again because we're onions, right? There's layers and layers to how strong our foundation is. That doesn't mean it's not going to get cracked because every day is a new opportunity to learn more about yourself. Your business will show you. But sometimes lack of business will show you where your strengths are and where your weaknesses are. Usually where your weaknesses are. Your strengths are harder to see. We're not trained to see our strengths, we're trained to see our weaknesses because a lifetime is of criticism. So many times it takes other people to show you your strengths too. This is a strength for you. Have you ever thought about focusing on this more? And when you look at your strengths, sometimes that immediately takes you to, yeah, that really is my weakness. I need to work on that. So I don't know if I really answered your question. I feel like I kind of gave you a wishy-washy answer because it's hard to answer in a little bit of an obscure way. How do we do that? Observing, observing, and sometimes it's an observing report if we don't have the ability to see for ourselves, have somebody report back to us.
SPEAKER_01:That goes into the other question of where to start. I really like that, especially the observing and having somebody else observe because it is hard, just to the point where you can say you can solve everybody else's problems or so easy to do. Then I have a tendency to do that. My family will mention that every once in a while. And I'm better at it, right? Where I should say I'm better at if somebody says, How are you? or talks to me, I'm talking about me, not something else. I used to be that person and I'd be right off the rails about something just to avoid the conversation of me. And I'm better at being able to have that conversation about me. It's not as uncomfortable to ready as it was when I was younger for sure. I like that idea of observing them, but I also like the idea of having somebody else look because when they're doing that, it's sometimes we will miss that. Like you were saying, we will completely. Miss it and sometimes it could be so simple. We are just so this is the way we do it. So the other part of that is in order to observe and really hear, we have to have that willingness behind it to be able to change too. Nobody's gonna do anything or hear anything until they're ready to change. I think the pain has to be great enough of to go, oh yeah. Yes, as soon as it's working. All right, I'm well, I'm willing to do it.
SPEAKER_00:I just had that conversation this morning with somebody who is so tired of her life as it is, that she said, you know what, I'm ready. I have to do something. I can't stand where I'm at. And for her, it was physical. Are you as committed to yourself as I am? Do you know your worth? Do you know your value? And she just started sobbing. I hadn't planned on saying these things. I don't have a standard set of questions that I ask all of the people that I work with. It it just flew out of my mouth. And when she started sobbing, she said, No, I don't know my value. I don't know my worth. And my whole life I've been essentially told that I'm shit. And I know for a fact there are millions of people who feel the exact same way that she did. Let's be honest, we don't get what we need when we're kids. I mean sometimes we're we make it out of childhood scathing from what we didn't get. But it it's also the gifts, the hidden gifts and what we didn't get are really the gifts that we can use as stepping stones to be better and to grow. But to recognize them actually as gifts is really hard for a lot of people because we tend to turn to victimization and woundedness. And that's not always wrong either, but the flip side of victimization is always a warrior spirit, a survivor spirit. And wounds can heal and they become the stepping stones toward victory when it comes to our own lives. And it's okay if nobody sees your value. You're the foundation to your whole life. You have to see your value. No matter what anybody else says about you or to you or what they believe to be true about you, that's their perception, that's their reality, that's what they think they know about you. Nothing matters other than what you know about you and what you know is true in your heart, in the eyes of your creator, if you believe that you have a creator. And that's where everything has to start from. If it's ever going to be anything to be built upon. If you don't know your worth and you don't know your value, how do you expect your customers to? And how do you expect your business partners to? How do you really feel you can be successful in your entrepreneurial endeavor if you don't even know your own value and you don't even know your own worth? So if you need help in that area, check in with yourself, check in with what you know, like you said, you go to the beach, and that's my favorite too, by the way. Unfortunately, I don't live near an ocean, but we do have a lot of otter around. And I do check in with myself and my creator on days when I feel really bogged down with being human and all of the things that go on in this world. I do take a moment to remember that perception is reality. What am I perceiving as real right now? Sometimes I have to laugh at myself. Look what I got myself caught up in. This is so silly. This doesn't matter. I got all twisted up in a bundle for something that doesn't even matter. That takes practice for some people, that takes time to go from really being stressed out to being able to just take a walk, regroup, reassess, and be done with it. Know that you can change your mind at any time. And you can change your lives simply by changing your mind.
SPEAKER_01:I was thinking to myself, I'm trying to remember what the exact saying was. I might have been an angry teen. Imagine that. But anyway, I had somebody tell me once, and it was really apropos. They said, you know, Wendy, wherever you're angry at today, you're not going to remember in 10 years. It won't make a difference. So you're wasting all of these precious moments being angry about something that tomorrow can you won't even remember. Not to the extent that we think, because it's usually something outside of ourselves. And it's not really even our core issue that we're angry about. It's like whoever happened to be in front of us at the moment that's and what they represent. It's not the real issue that we were having the older I get. I'm like, what was I so angry at? You know what I mean? Like I thought it was so important at the time. I'm like, I don't remember. And I think that when you have that perspective of being able to let that go, I used to stay in anger for far longer. Say I'm a recovering drama mama too, because it was too because I was like dramatic and angry. And that's what trauma brings. Trauma brings anger and drama. Exactly. And today it's such a difference because I realized that neither of those served me. But at the time I felt like they did. And to give them up, I really was like, who am I going to be on the other side of that? It was really a difficult thing to look at because you're like, what it wing, wah, wait, wait. This is how everybody knows right now. Everybody's like, how? What? You know, it's on the opposite spectrum of that. But when you're in it, it feels like you have to really hold on tight to it because you don't know who you're going to be without it. And I find the longer I'm on my journey, the better my life is because I'm not feeding something that doesn't feed me, which is really what it boils down to. I could talk to you forever, but we're gonna have to wrap the show up. I know you have an offer for our guests if you want to tell them what that is and how to get in touch with you.
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