Been There Got Out Podcast

A DV Nonprofit CEO on What Family Court Gets Wrong About Abuse Survivors

Chris & Lisa | Liz Ortenberger Season 2026 Episode 371

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If you have already left an abusive relationship and you're now staring down the family court system, this conversation was made for you. Lisa Johnson of Been There Got Out sits down with Liz Ortenberger, CEO of SafeNest, the largest domestic and sexual violence nonprofit in Las Vegas, Nevada, for a frank discussion about what actually works once you're in front of a judge.

Here's the hard truth Liz names out loud: the court will never understand your abuser the way you do. Judges are busy, they're drawn to whoever tells the cleanest, most linear story, and many of them quietly assume that a mother fighting for custody may be exaggerating the abuse to gain an advantage. That isn't fair - but it is the room you're walking into, and pretending otherwise helps no one.

So what do you do with that? Liz lays out a survivor's playbook that lines up almost perfectly with what we coach every day. Get it into the record that your children witnessed the abuse, because a child witnessing abuse has the same chemical brain reaction as a child being abused directly. Build your own clear, linear timeline before you ever walk into the courtroom. Think like a chess player rather than a boxer - anticipate your ex's next several moves and head them off, instead of just reacting. And document, document, document: photograph injuries, keep a private journal, tell a trusted friend, and email evidence to yourself so it carries a date stamp the other side can't explain away.

She also shares a statistic that every survivor deserves to know: if you were strangled or choked during the relationship, your risk of a later lethal outcome rises dramatically - and that is something you can get documented medically and entered into the court record. Throughout, Liz zooms out to the bigger picture too: the history of the movement, why our systems haven't moved the numbers in 30 years, and what it would take to actually protect the next generation. Practical, honest, and genuinely useful whether you're just starting your case or years deep into it.

A SURVIVOR'S COURT PLAYBOOK

- How to get a child's exposure to abuse onto the official record - and why it counts
- Building the clean, linear timeline judges actually respond to
- Anticipating your ex's legal moves like a chess player instead of reacting like a boxer
- The custody bias many survivors run into - and how to get ahead of it
- A simple, free way to date-stamp your evidence so it can't be dismissed as fabricated
- The strangulation statistic that belongs in your medical records and your court file

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

SafeNest (Las Vegas): https://www.safenest.org
Reach Liz's team: info@safenest.org
Look up your ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) score - and take it for your child, too

If you are in immediate danger, contact your local emergency services. In the U.S., the National Domestic Violence Hotline is available 24/7 at 1-800-799-7233 (SAFE).

This conversation is for education and support; it is not legal or mental-health advice. When you're ready, we're here to help you build a strategy that fits your situation.

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