Making Space Podcast
Welcome to the Making Space podcast! This podcast comes out of a decade’s long partnership between Aspen Group and Barna. In this series, hosts Benjamin Windle and Jay Kim will be focusing on the impact that physical spaces have on the way people are formed and shaped as they experience Jesus, how they engage with the church, and interact with others in community. Learn more at https://www.aspengroup.com/makingspacepodcast and get a copy of Making Space for Inspiration here: https://shop.barna.com/products/making-space-for-inspiration-why-church-design-matters-in-ministry
Episodes
26 episodes
Michael Scheer on Liturgical Art & Reflecting God’s Beauty Through Creation
On the last episode of this season of Making Space, Jay Kim talks with the Director of the Center for Liturgical Art, Michael Scheer. They discuss the importance of creating connections between churches and artists, the need for art to be au...
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Season 3
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Episode 8
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36:40
Amanda Iglesias on Church Architecture & the Value of the Design Process
On this episode of Making Space, Sara Joy Proppe joins architect and curator of, “The Architecture of Prayer,” Amanda Iglesia. They discuss the intersection of theology, architecture, and worship. Amanda highlights the importance of collabor...
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Season 3
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Episode 7
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36:49
Drew Hyun on Church Planting & Ministry Innovations in New York City
On this episode of Making Space, Jay Kim talks with Founder and pastor of Hope Church, Co-Founder of New City Network, and an Emotionally Healthy Discipleship team member, Drew Hyun. Drew shares about the different approach they’ve taken to ...
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Season 3
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Episode 6
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36:22
Cynthia Wallace on Community Service & Repurposing Ordinary Buildings for God’s Kingdom
On this episode of Making Space, Sara Joy Proppe sits down with Executive Pastor and Director of the Oasis Project at Bible Center Church, Cynthia Wallace. They talk about utilizing ordinary spaces for worship and community, analyzing the as...
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Season 3
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Episode 5
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33:18
Dr. David Taylor on Worship, Embodiment & the Value of Beauty in Church Buildings
On this episode of Making Space, Sara Joy Proppe talks with the Associate Professor of Theology and Culture at Fuller Theological Seminary, Prolific Author and Anglican Priest, Dr. David Taylor. Together, they discuss how art and beauty can ...
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40:53
Dr. Matthew Niermann on Re-Enchanting Church Spaces
On this episode of Making Space, Benjamin Windle talks with Associate Dean of College of Architecture at California Baptist University, Reverend Dr. Matthew Niermann. They talk about how beauty can be a missions category and how churches can...
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Season 3
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Episode 3
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39:10
Jessica Gracewski on Spiritual Formation & Planting Roots in a Transient Society
On this episode of Making Space, Jay Kim talks with Associate Pastor of Reality SF, Jessica Gracewski. They touch on how Reality Church has navigated the transience of San Francisco, the challenges of spiritual formation, and planting spirit...
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Season 3
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Episode 2
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36:33
David Kinnaman on Making Space for the Next Generation
On the first episode of Making Space Season 3, Benjamin Windle sits down with CEO of Barna Group, David Kinnaman. They talk about their personal connection with church buildings, the important role design plays in fostering spiritual connect...
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Season 3
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Episode 1
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42:31
Jay Kim & Benjamin Windle on Practical Reflections on Church Spaces & Building
Benjamin Windle and Jay Kim look back on some of their highlights from the guest interviews in Season 2 and share how they have thought about church spaces in their own ministry contexts.
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Season 2
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Episode 16
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30:30
Kristel Acevedo on Small Groups, Discipleship & Bridging Generational Gaps
Kristel Acevedo talks with Benjamin Windle and Jay Kim about building multigenerational and multiethnic small groups, using social media as a discipleship tool and what Gen Z is looking for from formation within the Church.
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Season 2
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Episode 15
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26:20
Al Gordon on Creative Church Design & Encountering Beauty in Architecture
Al Gordon joins Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle to share the story of their church renovation in East London, including how they’ve used their church space as a “cathedral of creativity” and some of the tangible ways they have served the needs of t...
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Season 2
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Episode 14
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39:32
Dr. Eric Mason on Urban Church Buildings & Addressing Local Needs
Dr. Eric Mason sits down with Benjamin Windle to talk about trends he’s seeing with churches in Philadelphia after the pandemic, the shifting role of historic church buildings in urban contexts and practical ways their church has shown up for t...
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Season 2
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Episode 13
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29:43
Bette Dickinson on Art, Liturgy & Formation in Sunday Gatherings
Bette Dickinson joins Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle to discuss the connection between worship and the visual arts, understanding the role of liturgy in church services (even in non-liturgical settings), and the underlying desires people have when...
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Season 2
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Episode 12
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30:31
Dave Lomas on Reimagining Sacred Architecture, Formation & Community Impact
Dave Lomas talks with Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle about the connection between formation and physical spaces, what he’s seeing with historic church architecture, and how their church aims to address the needs of their local community.
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Season 2
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Episode 11
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33:00
Tara Beth Leach on Creating Safe Spaces for Grief & Lament in the Church
Tara Beth Leach sits down with Benjamin Windle and Jay Kim to talk about her own journey with grief, practical ideas for churches to offer solace to those experiencing hardship, and specific ways that architecture can shape our sense of safety ...
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Season 2
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Episode 10
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30:07
Mark Sayers on Discovering Renewal in Local Church Buildings & Embodied Discipleship
Mark Sayers joins Benjamin Windle and Jay Kim to talk about the formative power of “second spaces” in church buildings, the pandemic’s shifting impact on the local and universal church and what he’s seeing with discipleship in today's churches....
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Season 2
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Episode 9
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35:12
Making Space Season 2 Trailer
In the second season of the Making Space podcast, hosts Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle will talk with a diverse group of guests about how spiritual formation relates to our church facilities and the built environment. They’ll also touch on how phy...
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Season 2
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1:07
Liz Laird on Why Church Buildings Still Matter in the Modern Era
Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle talk with Liz Laird, co-founder of the Sacred Spaces Conservancy, a Washington, D.C. based nonprofit organization that finds collaborative solutions to preserve vital sacred spaces in neighborhood life. Liz shares ho...
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Season 1
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Episode 8
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29:05
Daniel Yang on Post-Pandemic Trends in Church Planting and Missional Presence
In this episode of the Making Space Podcast, Daniel Yang, Director of Church Multiplication Institute at Wheaton College Billy Graham Center, discusses how the pandemic affected church plants and the trends coming out of it. He also shares how ...
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Season 1
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Episode 7
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34:58
Jonathan Shaffer on Church Renovations on a Budget: Ideas from the Retail Space
This week, Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle talk with Jonathan Shaffer, a virtual reality designer who brings brands to life both physically and digitally. Jonathan shares how the design of retail space can inspire innovative church environments and...
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Season 1
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Episode 6
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33:53
A.J. Swoboda and Sara Joy Proppe on Designing Nature into Your Spaces of Worship
In this episode of the Making Space Podcast, hosts Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle talk with author and Assistant Professor of Bible Theology and World Christianity at Bushnell University, Dr. A.J. Swoboda, and Sara Joy Proppe, a Placemaking Consul...
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Season 1
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Episode 5
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31:01
Darryl Answer on Breaking Down the Walls Between Church and Community
Darryl Answer, founding and lead pastor of New Community Church in Kansas City, MO, talks with hosts Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle about innovative ways his congregation has approached physical church and caring for the community.
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Season 1
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Episode 4
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32:02
Daniel Grothe on The Church as Home and Why Rootedness Matters More than Ever
Daniel Grothe, Associate Senior Pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, and author of The Power of Place: Choosing Stability in a Rootless Age, talks with hosts Jay Kim and Benjamin Windle about how the sense of connectedness to a place ...
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Season 1
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Episode 3
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29:38
Tish Harrison Warren on Spiritual Formation and the Shaping Power of Spaces
On this episode of the Making Space Podcast, hosts Benjamin Windle and Jay Kim will talk with priest and award-winning author, Tish Harrison Warren, about the threads of connection between spiritual formation and the built environment.
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Season 1
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Episode 2
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34:56
Ashley Ekmay and Elena Forsythe on Rediscovering Embodied Community Within the Church
Ashley Ekmay, from Barna, and Elena Forsythe, from Aspen Group, share insights on how their teams collaborated on the first volume of the Making Space research project, Making Space for Inspiration, which dives into the way church and ...
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Season 1
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Episode 1
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33:35