045 - The Man Who Ran the Length of India w/ Jack Faint

What does it take to become the first man to run the entire length of India?

In this episode, James sits down with Jack Faint to explore the physical, emotional and spiritual journey behind an extraordinary feat of endurance.

Jack shares what it took to run across the length of India, the moments that pushed him beyond his limits, and what the experience taught him about discipline, solitude, connection and the mind.

The conversation also explores the experiences that shaped him before the run, including insecurity, a brain tumour diagnosis in his twenties, ultra-marathons, meditation, breathwork and sound healing.

Together, James and Jack speak openly about masculinity, vulnerability, loneliness, adversity and the search for peace in a world that rarely slows down.

This is a conversation about far more than running. It is about what happens when achievement strips everything back and forces you to meet yourself.

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Transcript

James Mayer: 0:09

Mr. Jack Faint. Welcome to the Life Is Sound podcast.

Jack Faint: 0:13

Good to be here, buddy. First of all, got a little present for you. So

James Mayer: 0:17

on the side is a Life of Sound wellness journal. Oh, beautiful. So you can have one of those. I thought, do I give it him at the end or the beginning? Should we take it? You can take it at the end,

Jack Faint: 0:25

but I thought at the end, no one really gives people like a present for

James Mayer: 0:28

a birthday party when they leave. So, yeah, just a bit of a welcoming present. Thank you, mate. It was the first thing I noticed when I walked

Jack Faint: 0:35

in. Yeah. This has been a long time coming for

James Mayer: 0:39

us. I think we first came into each other's life when you came to a sound bath with our mutual friend Regan. And I think one of the first things re said was, you need to do a podcast with. With Jack. And at the time I'd taken a little break and I've had you in my mind for years. But seeing the things that you've been doing over that time, as we were just saying before we started recording, was divine timing. Your storeys probably got even stronger than the time we met. So if someone was to Google you or search for you online, in your words, what would you want that snapshot to be about yourself?

Jack Faint: 1:25

That's a great question to start, isn't it? Spiritual being, having a human experience. Yeah. Amazing.

James Mayer: 1:37

And how long would you say it's taken in life for you to arrive at that conclusion? Yeah, it's

Jack Faint: 1:48

been some journey. There's been a huge amount of transformation that I've been through over the past coming up to seven years. Just over seven years now, really. And so much growth that has gone on. And that was for those that might not know much of my storey, which many listeners won't, I'm sure we'll dive into in a bit more depth. Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, we'll. We'll dive into it. If someone was to ask you, like,

James Mayer: 2:28

what. What is a roundup of your life like from an outsider looking in, and we'll delve into. Into your storey, because it is a. A weighty one for many reasons. But where are you at with life right now?

Jack Faint: 2:45

I think for one of the first times in life, I've arrived in a sort of a deep sense of peace. You know, I've. There's been many parts over the past 32, 33 years that I've had. I still have moments of insecurity and where perhaps I'm striving for something or I'm maybe anxious about a Certain thing or there's a certain goal that I'm really, really aiming towards that is taking up a huge amount of my energy and spirit and time and headspace. But at the moment, over the past six months, I've arrived at a really wonderful sense of peace. Nice and calm. Yeah. As to where I'm at of what I've done, which is quite a beautiful place to be. And what. What does that work

James Mayer: 3:43

to arrive at a space like that? Is it. Would you say it's. I know, obviously. I know probably. Obviously. I'm saying these questions for the people who may not know, because I. I follow your journey online, which has just been amazing to witness. But what does to you get into that calm sense of peace? What does the work for you look like along the way to arrive in that space? Because it's a. It's a place that we all speak about and we may feel for short periods of time and then life on a Monday just drops us hailstone and rain, like when. When we just said hello to each other. And it brings us out of these senses that. That we're in. So two questions. What does the work look like for you to. To be in that space and how do you maintain that when. When life gets a bit. A bit more difficult? Yeah. For me, the main anchor and tool

Jack Faint: 4:34

for me started out as meditation. That became the sort of core pillar of my life that helped me make sense of all the stuff that was going on, helped me cultivate a sense of gratitude when times were difficult or challenging. That and a deep love for the sport of running sort of were two things that really intertwined that were my work was how I'd hold myself accountable, keep my discipline, give me time and space to make sense of what. Whatever I was going through and what was going on. So it's those two disciplines that I've that I'm so, so grateful for. And more recently, over the first of the past, probably 12 to 18 months, breath work as well, which I'll talk to you about a little bit more. And that's becoming. And is about to become a massive part of my journey. Nice. With a new business venture which we'll talk about. But yeah, though that they're sort of been the main pillars that have helped helped me, especially in times that are tough. Yeah. And something I've really reflected on this week is the power of vulnerability. So obviously last week was Mental Health Awareness week and I had a really good chat with a mate of mine who unfortunately lost his brother about six weeks ago. He took his own life. And from the outside looking in. My mate's brother was successful CEO of a company, married, had a daughter, was never one really, that you would ever think. Would. Would even contemplate a thought of taking his own life. And he reached a moment of crisis and felt unable to be vulnerable, to open up, to share that load. And I've reached crisis point on a couple of occasions in over the past seven, eight years, mainly. And even at one stage had similar thought patterns about taking my own life back in probably early 2022, I think it was. And I was very lucky that I had people around me that I was able to be vulnerable with, to. To. To support me through those moments. So it felt quite apt that we're having this conversation today to talk about. Talk about that, because that was something that really stuck with me last week, the conversation I had with my pal and. And how that our vulnerability is so powerful. I think as fellas, it's changing as fellas, we often try and absorb that and internalise it and just crack on. Brave face.

James Mayer: 7:18

So true. Yeah. And I think when. When we met, I think from my side, I. I can get a sense of, oh, this is a guy I could open up and speak to things in my world about. And maybe you got a similar sense. But when you think about, let's say, Joe Bloggs, the average guy of life, who maybe doesn't have that close friend to speak to or like me, I've got Maureen, who's an older female friend, I won't say how many years my senior, because she won't be happy with me, but somebody I can really tap into and get great advice from, help you see processes and the things that we do internalise. Because I think for men, I think a lot of us can, like myself, be a lone wolf and reflect and go into solitude consciously and observe where I'm in that space while I'm in it. If you go into that space and you're not being the observer at the same time, and you're in it and you've got no one to reach out to, I think that is a really dangerous place for a man, because we need some. We need some type of outlet, whether it's a person or, as you probably know, physical movement, motion or just something to cheque into, like meditation. If you're not connected with those tools and you've got the pressures of life, like being a CEO, family, finances, business, I think that can be a really difficult space. And those decisions, in moments when people feel that, that desperation just Knowing that they could have had a conversation with someone like yourself is, is the most heartbreaking part of. When you hear a storey like that. And does that give you any inspiration, kind of like on, on your journey?

Jack Faint: 10:20

Yeah. I mean I've walked the fine line between solitude and loneliness pretty much consistently over the past seven, eight years. I think solitude is giving your mind space from the incessant stream of distraction and thought. What I've learned is that loneliness arises from the absence of connection. And for me there's been many occasions when I've fallen into the abyss of loneliness and that's been brought around through maybe distance from loved ones. I've been very lucky to travel all over the world and I've been living in Cape Town for the past three years. Yeah. One of the most epic cities on the planet. But I found it really tough to sort of really meet my people. Yeah. Since I've been there, see. I mean I think from what you see online these days, and I'm really excited to move back to the uk, there seems to be a lot more communities and groups that seem to be a lot more open predominantly around in surrounding hobbies. So I feel like there's a million and one wrong clubs that seem to have popped up over the past past two or three years and I've not been part

James Mayer: 11:36

of any of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm sure some of them,

Jack Faint: 11:40

some of them might be, might be, might not be the safest of spaces, but I think some of them really are.

James Mayer: 11:47

Yeah. From some of the people that I know that have cultivating and

Jack Faint: 11:51

creating an incredible community that is a movement around anti loneliness that is super inclusive. It's not performance driven as an example. I'm just taking the sport of the sport of running to be one that can be a force for good. I've been through multiple rounds. I mean therapy unfortunately for a lot of people isn't affordable. Yeah. Which is, which is a big shame. My best mate, my best mate Harvey and we. Who's been my anchor and my rock for, in on many occasions throughout my life. It was a life changing moment for him was going through a period of therapy in a time, real time of need and it's completely changed his outlook on a lot of things and he couldn't afford it at the time but he had a really close friend of his that, that knew the value of what that would do for him and said mate, here's a bit of cash, go get yourself eight sessions, it's on me. You pay me back whenever you can amazing. Which is incredible. But I don't think many people have that outlet and it takes a lot of confidence to search for more meaning or find a group or find like minded community. They do exist. But to take that step to put yourself in an environment where you might not know people can be quite challenging. Yeah. And I think more and more people are turning to AI for therapy and help. More so than perhaps trained people who are trained or finding connection community. But yeah, they're just some of the some thoughts about that.

James Mayer: 13:40

What's your thought on that? Because as you said that I'm kind of like see both sides of the coin. It's kind of if somebody's lacking in crisis, if they're in crisis and they're lacking direction or a bit of advice and they can get it which makes sense to the mind. Oh I need to do just this thing that I've been advised that makes sense and that pulls them out of a crisis moment. At the same time if you do use things like chatgpt regular which I do for bits of business or bouncing ideas off it, hey I've got these two things. Which is the strongest or just integrating it into your life. The amount of times I have to cheque and double cheque and triple cheque it on the things it's saying. Missing the thing I've just said a lot of gaslighting as well from like the conversation within it and just really pushing the boundaries of, of what this new tool is that we're all using. It's like somebody giving us a hammer but not telling us what a nail is. And it's like am I hitting people with this? Am I building things with it? Am I destroying things so that that awareness when people are using it in that way. I think the other side, as beautiful as I think it probably could help people if they are using it in the right way. But the misdirection when nobody is checking it, I think that also can be a very dangerous space. And we've arrived at this very grey moment that a lot of people say it's going to be the end of humanity. I know this could be a whole other podcast but that I see both sides of the coin there being a really beautiful tool to help people out at that moment but then also a really misleading tool if somebody doesn't know how to prompt or correct even in voice mode. So I'll correct it, I'll talk to it. Like you're. You're giving me information I, I don't want to have to correct what, what you're saying, if you've not got that awareness, I think it can be quite a dangerous tool as well. But it's a really great point that I think people using it in that way, going back to what you said, seeking the connection they might not have in the life. And I think there's going to be an overarching storey of humans connecting more in that way to something that's synthesised, that's not technically real, which is exciting but also terrifying as well.

Jack Faint: 16:06

Really hard. It's really, really. I feel really hard for, and sorry for young people trying to, trying to navigate the complexities of life. Like, I don't know how old you are, James, but maybe early 90s, baby. See me

James Mayer: 16:19

had to think about that then. That's worrying, that's how old I am. I'm having to think about early 90s, baby, maybe late 8, late 80s, mid 86. So yeah, hitting 40 this year. Yeah, yeah,

Jack Faint: 16:30

looking good for it. Thank you, brother. I really feel, yeah, I really feel. I think we've probably one of the last generations to develop a set of skills where we were kids, were allowed to be kids, you know, and we weren't, we weren't worried really about what we look like. We could wear braces and just sort of crack on about our day, not, not thinking that people were going to be taking videos and pictures of us, whether in school or wherever it might be. So I do really feel. And whether I'm on trains or planes or walking through parks and I really feel for. I was trying to chance my old tennis coach the other day who runs tennis camps for school kids having a good catch up. And he said. I said, are you still running the camps this year, John? He said, mate, I am, but it's never not the same as what it used to be. I said, why is that? He said, because kids don't want to play tennis anymore. They don't play tennis at the camps, they're just inside the clubhouse taking tiktoks of each other and they're not, they not want to go outside and play. And he said that's not how it was whenever I went 20 odd years ago. Yeah, so I do really, really feel for him, but I do have faith in some of the people that I know that are trying to make a big difference. And one of my key ambitions, we'll talk about the documentary that's about to come out that I'm producing at the moment. One of my key ambitions is to take that into schools and hopefully it can show A lot of themes and represent a lot of themes that I think are important to kids, one of which being what masculinity is. This is a whole other topic in itself, but it's been one that's very, it's been talked about a lot with what Louis Theroux presented on, on the Manosphere, however long ago it was a couple of months back. And I think there's power in people like yourself spreading your message. There's power in people, other friends, communities, connections that I've got that are really trying to have a positive impact, to steer people in the right direction, encounter the narrative that currently exists and help people be more conscious and more awake to their senses of what else is going on, rather than just glued to their own ego or the. Or left or their device or whatever it might be. So I always try and be a bit of an optimist, I guess. Yeah. And, and that as well. It's kind of the, these screens

James Mayer: 19:08

that we're all on are the information providers. So when things seep into pop culture like the manosphere recently and everyone's talking about it to the point I remember coming out of Tesco, just coming down some steps into my car and they're talking about the like a clip that I just seen. It was just a really interesting. I was like, wow, this is how quick things spread like wildfire. I've just seen that clip this morning and then just two guys in the street walking past talking about it. And I always cherry pick from things, I think just to, to sit back and even if I've. I've gone into something like oh wow, look at me being pulled into, into this. And then I think it's not just social media, I know obviously tv, film, radio, any means of communication has had this effect for a long time. And I think like any, anything that's presented to us, you can see the narrative that, that is there, that they want you to believe. And I think there's, there's also people that will take look at things from like a pure objective point of view. There's positives in this part which might be deemed as negative, but if you just took that one sentence out and applied it to life, that's actually a positive. We take this from this side and do the same. That's kind of how I try and operate, not to be really pulled into belief systems which I think we're all starting maybe to get more of an awareness of the powers at play in this lifetime. And I think going back to, to what you said about Community, whether it's breath work, a sound bath, coming together to work on yourself, which that journey is always your own. It's kind of like life. You're only ever going to do life on your own. As you. When you go to bed at night, it's only you going to sleep, waking up with your own thoughts. It's the same when you step into a community. It's a community experience. You're going to feel people's energy, that energy is going to mix, merge, you're going to be affected by it. Everyone's come with a similar intention, going through different things in life. But I think these spaces are now so important to counter the. That we're being fed. Even though there might be great points in the documentary or something, we also have to look at like the old. Because it's not just that documentary. This is coming from all angles. Films, TV shows, documentaries. So now take a step back. It's like what, what, what does life at the moment want us to believe from these multi layered angles from different media forms. So I think when, when we're stepping into space to just be with yourself, work on yourself and melt away all the bullshit. Not over of only like everyday life, bills, traffic, all the stuff we all go through, but just to detach from this thing and reconnect. Back with your opening lion. Being a human, having these beautiful experiences and I suppose we should delve into your storey. So instead of me guiding this part, I want to ask you what would you like to open up with this part of your storey? Be it the documentary, be it the incredible journey of India which is just. I can't even wrap my head around that. Or obviously your diagnosis, which was probably a massive. Not probably would have been a massive shifting point in your life. Yeah,

Jack Faint: 22:45

before I was just. Before we touch on that, I was just thinking about the last thing that you said and it reminded me a bit of rave culture back in the day. And in my pre 25 there was a lot of alcohol and drugs and a lot of debauchery and fun back in the day.

James Mayer: 23:03

Yeah. And I remember watching,

Jack Faint: 23:08

I must have watched Fred again's latest worldwide tour that he did various videos hundreds of times in different events around the world and looks like people were at church. People coming together to connect in a space in a way that was just so beautiful to watch with music being the medium and there's probably a substance or two involved for a lot of those people, which I'm a big fan of psychedelics and they can answer, they can hand Snakes.

James Mayer: 23:49

This is the next round of life is so. On some. Yeah, exactly. The psychedelic. Exactly. Yeah. Sign me up.

Jack Faint: 23:57

But the. It's the exact same concept that I found when I've been a part of sound baths, when I've been a part of guided group breath work, or I've guided breath work sessions for friends, for family, for. For corporates, that it's that same experience of people coming together to connect through a specific medium. And I think I used to reject the concept and the idea of whether that medium was yoga or breath work or meditation, probably because those words scared me a little bit of what that actually meant. And it might require me to pick up a mirror and take a look at myself. Yeah. So that was just something I wanted to think. Wanted to mention there about reframing what these mediums can do for you. Yeah. For perhaps some people.

James Mayer: 24:57

I. I think just touching on that quickly. I'm very aware, like, when I'm creating an advert for an event and I'm also trying to reach people that might not have been before. So the language might be like Manchester's biggest sound bath. The truth is that that is what I've grown it to. I'm also aware of, like, there's part of me, there's something inside me that doesn't want to use that language, but I also want people to come and experience it that may have not been before. Yeah. And I think sometimes with adverts or things for these events, I think they can feel like you go into a novelty experience. Oh, we'll go to a sound bath. That'd be nice. And when I see people leave and it looks like their heads have just been blown off, I've. I've realised recently, I used to smoke a lot back in the day. Long time ago. The faces I see leave the sound bath are the same faces I would look at when my friends were super high. I'm seeing the same faces leave. And I think there's something I've realised over the years is some people arrive at a sound bath because it just feels like, oh, that'd be a nice evening to do something. And when they've had the full experience, they're like, wow. And I'm realising it's. It's because it's come into pop culture, just like yoga did. Everyone from a certain age, kind of yoga became part of mainstream. Everyone knew what it was. It would have been new at one time, sound baths started to creep in. Terms like breath work are becoming more commonly understood by people. But I think when you see a lot popping up. It can feel like a novelty thing to go and do. But when you actually really experience these things, there's so much power. And I think like you said, holding up that mirror, things get shifted in these spaces that I witness from people that it's even great for me to learn. I love it when people share with me their experience because somebody that's facilitating it's kind of like you then take that and it, it shapes the way you move through future sessions. So I think probably as you've found as a facilitator, those spaces have so much power in them. So much maybe I don't fully understand it until somebody does communicate to me the shift it's created in them. And then when you see people coming to do the work again and they're showing up time and time again, it's such a beautiful thing to be able to provide for people and quickly it's gonna. I can tell this, we could speak for hours already. What would you say that is the big, biggest difference when you've showed up maybe to a breathwork session as somebody sat in the session, to somebody who is holding space as a facilitator.

Jack Faint: 27:53

Yeah. That's a wonderful question. I think when I try and facilitate I always try and stay in the mind frame that I am just, I'm just a channel. Yeah. For other people to have hopefully a wonderful experience. That is not in no way is it, is it about me. It's about learning what I've learned. Hopefully saying the words and providing an environment where they can have their own hopefully beautiful experience. Whether it's small, whether it's, whether it's large, whatever that may be, whatever it is that they need in that moment and experiencing those sessions are always. There's very few of us that have that time and energy within a week to take 15, 30, 60 minutes to look inwards through a. In my favourite channels or meditation or breath work, whatever it might be or if it's sound. It's rare that those, those times are baked into our week because of life and all the other responsibilities that we've got. Biggest lesson for me is learning how powerful that those little bite sized slots can be taking 15 minutes. And that's why I'll talk about my business and the business I'm creating at the moment and that's trying to hone in on giving people that bite sized time throughout their week. That is literally just 15 minutes. That's so. Yeah. Nice. And

James Mayer: 29:38

I suppose that is. Is that linking on from the previous Journey. Which bit would you like to delve into? And then you can expand on that, helping you arrive where you're currently at and what you're building. Yeah, for sure.

Jack Faint: 29:51

So I'll take that. Take people back to the. Back to the beginning a little bit. So, seven, eight years ago, I was living in Australia, so went to uni in Manchester, studied mathematics, of all things. People look at me like I've got two heads when I say that, but. And then went to Australia with a few group of pals. We lived there. We lived in Melbourne for three years, had the most epic time. And I was cycling my bike to work one morning, March 19, 2019. So seven years ago, had a seizure, came off my bike, landed on my cheek, got rushed to hospital, had a nice degash on my cheek. Initially thought I just got my bike caught in the tram tracks and got knocked unconscious. Taken to hospital, they ran a CT scan because I'd hit my head, I was wearing a neck brace. I was fully responsive by this point. Just thought, I'm sure. Chatting away to the doctor and she was like, you seem fine. Should we be able to go in 10, 15 minutes? Just wait to get this scan back and then I'm sure I'll be fine. You can go. Doctor comes sprinting into the room, said, we've got a code stroke, code stroke. We found a spot of the back of your brain. We need to get you in for another CT scan. So the next 10, 15 minutes moved pretty quickly. Wheeled me back in for another CT scan and the CT scan came back and they ruled out that it was a stroke, but they've found something at the back of my brain that wasn't a continuous bleeding and they wanted to move me to the neurology ward and do an MRI scan and see what it was. Later that afternoon, had an MRI scan that came back. That and the director of neurosurgery at the Royal Melbourne Hospital where I was based, walked into the room and said, jack, we think you've got a suspected brain tumour. You have three options. Option one, we take it out. Option two, we do a biopsy, take a little sample, see what it is. Option three, we do nothing and have an MRI scan in three months and see if there's any change here, the pros and cons of each. Come back to my office in three days, we'll talk it through. And at that point, I was 25 years old, still in that phase of alcohol and drugs and smoked and partying, didn't look after myself, had no Fitness routine. It's quite overweight, living the life that a lot of people in their early 20s do. Three days later, I walked back into the neurosurgeon's office and the first question I asked was, what would you do? And she said, I would have a biopsy, take a sample of it, see what it is, and then we can assess what the treatment options are from there. Ten days later I had a biopsy. They diagnosed me with something called oligodendroglyoma, which is a slow, rare brain tumour. Out of all of the brain tumour diagnoses, one of the better ones in that it will continuously, slowly grow over a period of period of time. Prognosis 10 to 15 years roughly. And the first question I asked was, what would you do if you were me? What can I do to have a positive impact on this diagnosis? That was pretty much the only question I asked. And I think she. I was very grateful that I had this neurosurgeon that was looking after me at that time in Australia. And I think she just looked at me and saw a young man that needed help. She saw a 25 year old that needed a big change of life and she took off a doctor's hat and I think put on a human hat and said, if I were you, Jack, I would move to a more plant based organic diet. I'd stop smoking, I'd stop doing drugs, I'd limit my drinking and I'd start meditating, is what she said. And I know for a fact that 99 doctors out of 100 would probably not say those sentences at that point. But that provided me an anchor. And I'm not for one moment saying that she thought that that would help me heal from a brain tumour. But what she did know is that it would help me thrive in the face of one and know that there was things within my control that would either help me physically or help me mentally. So I quit my job, left Australia and went backpacking around the world. I was very grateful that she just said, you need an MRI scan every six months. You don't need to have any treatment options now, have an MRI every six months, but you're free to go on your travels, go in it, do what you need to do, just keep a close eye on it and monitor it when you go back to the uk, register with the nhs, all that sort of stuff. So I then spent six months in South America and then four months in India just before COVID hit. So I had almost a good year to be able to Go and completely transform and put into practise all of these different lifestyle changes that my surgeon had recommended and reinvent myself in the process, create a relationship with myself that I'd never, never had. And always, for years, I'd focused on building relationships with other people and not building a relationship with myself. And for the first time in life, I was able to change that. And I was the definition of a sheep back then. You know, I didn't really have my own identity, just sort of doing things because I thought they were cool, just to fit in. And I think a lot of us, and I think society conditions a lot of us, but from my experience, young men, I don't think there's creative expression is actively encouraged. It wasn't probably in the Catholic school I went to, it was all about academia. There wasn't really a sense of being able to express who you were creatively through whatever medium that. That. That was. So that gap, in my opinion, for me, was filled with insecurity, it was filled with alcohol, it was filled with things that perhaps didn't help me cultivate that sense of identity. So it was an incredibly beautiful and refreshing experience for in my mid-20s to go through that journey. And it was really the four months in India that completely changed who I was. Learned about yoga, meditation and pranayama, breathwork, what these tools can do for us and how they can make you feel. And up to that point, I'd been quite just, I guess, scared at the thought of, like, what is that? It seems like, again, like we said before, these were tools that helped me hold up a mirror to myself and reflect on what my values were and who I wanted to be as a person. Because when you sit with yourself for long enough, you have the time and space to actually think about these things. So those tools gave me that opportunity and coming. The only reason why I left India was because of COVID I was there in March 2020 in Rishikesh in North India. And I remember all of a sudden, one week it was the International Yoga Festival and the next week the place was a ghost town. And I think within 24 hours, my mum and both my sisters had messaged me saying, jack, get the hell home. Because things are kicking off and next thing you know, I'm back and Boris is doing a State of the Nation and we're all locked down for however long and which is too crazy. Like, two

James Mayer: 37:27

different experiences to be in, like, completely, if you're deep in the depths of inner work, to come back to that time, which was Just such a crazy time for us all as humans to, to live through. Yeah, that must have been such a, a unique experience. A lot of us were working. Oh, now we're not going to the office, now we're at home. You've been on the other side of the world and now you're at home, mate.

Jack Faint: 37:55

It was wild. I mean, look, I got very, I was very lucky a lot of people. Covid was a really difficult experience for people. Yeah, maybe people with young families in small spaces couldn't see loved ones. Loved ones. People died and it was a really stressful period for a lot of people. I was very lucky. My sister and her husband. My husband's a professional footballer, lives in, has played for different clubs around championship league. One was Everton for 17 years through the academy and they were. He was on loan at Hull, living in a place called Beverly, which is a beautiful Yorkshire village. And, and I moved in with them and we had the most incredible time together and it was the first opportunity. Me and my two sisters are really close and it was the first opportunity I had the. I had to spend deep time with my younger sister since I'd, since I'd left for Australia when she was only 16 and now she was a young woman and had met in the love of her life. And he's an incredible man, a wonderful, wonderful human. So to have that opportunity to reconnect with him. We had breakfast, lunch and dinner set around the table together every single day. I was able to read books, I was able to train. I didn't work for that time. I was very lucky that I had a little bit of savings left and wasn't under that pressure and I was allowed, I was able to continue that journey a little bit, albeit from a, from a house in Beverly rather than the mountains of the Himalayas. So slightly different. I almost found that post covert period incredibly. Really, really, really challenging to sort of reintegrate. And I'd been through such a sort of a deep spiritual experience but couldn't because so many things were closed and it was impossible to sort of meet in these community groups if I found it really difficult, sort of reigniting all of my old friendships and I'd been through this huge transformational period and, and through no fault of mine or theirs that maybe they hadn't been through that process yet, which is completely normal. So I found myself being super isolated and we can go into that in another time. But one thing that kept me sane during that period was diving into the sport of running. So I came back from India, I Did a couple of half marathons in India. Used it initially as a means to lose weight because I was a bit of a chubby fella after my previous lifestyle. And I then came back and initially did the, a challenge called the 4x4x48, which is by David Goggins, is where you run four miles every four hours for 48 hours. And I did it in probably Feb, March 2021. So it was as we were in and out of lockdowns and ended up raising about 17, 18 grand for charity. Didn't have social media at the time, so I was pretty baffled that we managed to raise that much cash. And it just sort of, it was the first moment when I realised how much my storey had touched people that I never even knew about. So maybe it was just friends or family, friends or friends, parents or however it may be. But a lot of people rallied around me during that challenge and it was a bit of a light bulb moment that my journey can be a catalyst for good and a force for good. So then I started taking on different events and races around the world. I did the London Marathon later that year. I then got into the sport of ultra running. I did 120 kilometre race across the islands of Azores just off the coast of Portugal, and then a 250 kilometre race across the Wadi Rum desert in Jordan, all raising money for different cancer charities. Plans got bigger, fitness got stronger. And then I wondered, sort of came up with a bit of a wild dream and that was, could I go back to the country that helped me transform India and become the first person to run the entire length of it? And, and in September last year, September 31st, I set off on that journey. August 31st, I'm getting my dates from, set off to complete that journey. It was 3,800 kilometres. I ran between 50 and 85 kilometres a day for 74 days and had the most incredible team with me that nurtured me from A to B. We, we can talk about the relationships with those fellows because that was the most special experience out of all of it, was to rely on such a wonderful group of humans for the most basic of needs. You know, I think one huge thing I learned was that I think we're taught that independence is the master of all desires. You know, to be financially independent, to be geographically independent. But there's something so, so special about having dependence, yeah, on one another. And I relied on those boys to eat to help me like create an environment where I could perform to the highest level each day. And the commitment that those boys showed for the same, to help me achieve my dream was just second to none. Yeah. And I was thinking from being an observer, just

James Mayer: 43:06

through social media, I can't remember if we had messaged each other. I know I spoke to you about podcasting. I could be wrong, but I think you said, I'm about to go on this journey. I was like, say no more. The time will be when the time is. And so to see you start the thing that you'd mentioned, there was a real moment that choked me up and it was when you had to leave one of your drivers, he had to separate from the storey. And I'm only seeing it as a consumer. It's popping up every day, every other day. Seeing the clips, I was just putting myself in the seat of that experience altogether. The bond you would have been creating in that space. The guy who's been hired as the driver, I would assume that's his. His. His daily job. That's how he makes his. His bread and butter. But him being so connected to your storey and then having to leave because of a technicality with a vehicle, I think it might have been. But, yeah, that as a. As an observer, that just really touched me of being like, if I was in that, how would I have felt when this guy's been here for however many days and hope. Did he get to. Did he see you at later stage of the journey?

Jack Faint: 44:30

Yeah. So, yeah, as well as a local crew that I went out with, I can talk to you about those wonderful humans that came with me. We also had an Indian team, drivers and helpers. We're quite a. Quite an operation. Two big trailers, two. Two vehicles that would carry those trailers. Inside those trailers was slept up to seven people. So we had a couple of doubles and some bunk beds and stuff that were inside the trailers with kitchen facilities, toilet, shower, all that jazz that were with us on the side of the road each day. And one of the drivers, who's the lead Indian crew member was called Manju. And honestly, like the purest soul of anyone you'd ever meet. And I love that man with every fibre of my being. And. I actually went back to it. I went back to India at the Star in February, March for. To be the guest at an ultramarathon there. And I flew Manju up from Bangalore, where he's from, up to meet me. First time he'd ever been on a plane. Wow. He's a farmer. He's from a farming community. Not with. With very, very little material wealth. And I think that was What Manju epitomises why India such has such a special place in my heart is the. The simplicity of their lives but the richness of their hearts is something that has such a strong correlation for me and would do anything give me the clothes off his own back to. To make sure that, that I could complete that day how I. How I wanted to every single day. There was no task that was too small. Whatever he could do. And I'd only met him six weeks earlier and I think that was maybe a testament to the. The environment that the boy all of us created. It wasn't just me testament to the environment that the boys created as well. But yeah the most, the most life changing and special experience for sure.

James Mayer: 46:55

There's so many questions just about that. What was the. What was the anticipation, the feeling, the emotion before taking the very first step was there. I'm gonna absolutely smash this was it. I don't know if I'm gonna finish this. Where was your mind Kind of. Because then it becomes not just an idea you've had. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. And now there's everyone around me. So this is really on me. Yeah. And I would suppose there's also kind of like this is so big. My aim is to finish it if anything happens. And I don't. Maybe that's just the flow of it. Yeah. But what was that that. What were those emotions you were feeling before you took the very first step? Yeah. A lot of people asked have asked what were this?

Jack Faint: 47:44

What was the hardest part? And I stand by it was just getting to the start line was the hardest part. To manage. To put the logistics together for a project like that was. Was hugely overwhelming. I still had a full time job whilst trying to do it. I was training between 80 and 150 kilometres a week. I was in the gym three, four hours a week to your training volume was up to sort of like 15, 18 hours in sort of peak weeks plus full time job plus managing the logistics, plus trying to show up in a relationship and go through a bit of a health detox journey. That's another podcast in itself. All the stuff that I put so much

James Mayer: 48:29

I could dive into of all the different lifestyle changes I've made to try and

Jack Faint: 48:33

have a positive impact on my diagnosis. To manage all of those things was really, really difficult. By the time it got to that start line. I mean I'll give you some context. So I arrived in Ladakh which is the most northern state of India at the start of August to give myself four weeks to acclimatise. So the starting point in was called the Sien Glacier. And the first two and a half weeks, the 16 days or so of the journey, you're between 3200 metres of elevation and 5300 metres of elevation. So he's hit the same height of Everest base Camp twice running up and over these mountains. So I knew that I had. My body had to become used to operating at that level of altitude. So I gave myself four weeks to be up there and I got sick. First week, altitude sickness. My partner came with me. We were both, yeah, weak. Walking up hills was. Was tough. Wow. So the doubts crept in, fear crept in. But I just sort of kept focusing on all the work that I'd done. Kept going back to those practises we mentioned earlier on about meditation. Just why am I here? What am I doing? The community, My. My crew will be here soon. Just have some faith in all of the work that you've done. You've put everything together right. A week or five days before the run started, all of the boys flights got cancelled. Ladakh experienced the worst rains in 56 years, so all the flights into Lay were downed. Luckily, Dan, one of the crew members, got in on the last flight from Delhi to Leh. The rest of the boys were stuck in Delhi for three, four days. The trailers that were supposed to meet us in ladakh were stuck 650 kilometres away behind some landslides and couldn't get through to us. Wow. So all. And not having the trailers next to us means no bed, no toilet, no shower, no nutrition. Strategy because we cook all our own food. All of that out the window. It's the only. All the logistics that I'd spent months and months and months planning. A couple of days before starting to the run crumbled. All gone. See, the options there are adapt or die, adapt or cancel the run. So our only option was to hire a couple of local Ladakhi taxi drivers and stay in homestays along the way and eat whatever food we could. Luckily, the boys got in when the flights reopened. So by the time I got to that start line, once the boys got in, we got a couple of drivers, we piled all our stuff in, literally just two taxis, found some homestays that we might be able to stay along the way, did a big shop that basically just consisted of bloody peanut butter and rice cakes and it was like, lads, let's, let's see what happens. And I was so impatient to get started at that point because of the Emotional talk, turmoil and the anticipation just to get to that point and just go. Because it's as you'd imagine, it takes 18 months, two years to really, truly prepare the mind, body and spirit for something like that. For me, it did anyway. There's only a small window of opportunity really where you can do it in India because the Himalayan passes are closed as a big chunk throughout the year because of the snow and, and how cold it is. So by the time that first day came round, I was like literally chomping at the bit to just get moving because then my job becomes difficult, but it becomes incredibly simple. Just put one foot in front of the other and just keep going. And the rest of the boys will, will figure everything out. And I knew that because I was sick of just like thinking about all of the things that needed doing. All I wanted to do was hand over the reins to the boys that hopefully I'd prepared them what needed to be done so that I could just keep putting one foot in front of the other and they'd help. And that's exactly what happened. Is that where the mind went to

James Mayer: 53:01

when there's something I relate to and it's, it's no trip across India, but climbing a mountain in Santorini. Sat on a beach looking up, going, I'm going to climb that before I leave. Just being a rookie, put some water in my bag. It's like 35, 40 degree heat where it was run out of water halfway up. I'm like, do I go up or down? If I don't make a decision, this is not going to be good. I'm on my own. And I just said a prayer. I was like, right, I'm going up and when I get there, let there just be just somebody with refreshments, just apples, just something. And I locked in and instead of looking how far away I was, I just was praying and putting one foot in front of the other and, and I got to the top and there was an old guy with like a little apple car and a refreshment stun. I was like, what, what is that? Like you couldn't even, you couldn't even write that. Yeah. But it was a real moment that stuck with me in life for any difficult journey to just focus on the steps in front of you rather than the goal or the peak. Is that where the mind went to when you were in those dark periods where I'm sure you were battling not only external things, but when you start to have that battle with self? Yeah, I think for any huge mammoth

Jack Faint: 54:23

task Goal business. You want to create whatever it is. It's really overwhelming when you think of like how far you have left to go. So at each given time during the run, if I thought that I had Jack, you've got three, three you feel like. And you've got 3,500 kilometres left to run, mate. If I'd have thought that, then my mind wouldn't have been able to comprehend it or cope with it. This is the same. It's the same analogy as how you eat an elephant. It's like it's just one bite at a time, you know, just like. That's a great one. Yeah, yeah. It's just like baby steps, you know, control what you can control, get through to the next checkpoint. Same where the people listening to this are trying to set up whatever goal is that they're trying to tackle, whatever it might be. There's bite sized steps that we can all take to eventually achieve that. It's the 1%, 2% gains margins that you can take each day to get to that eventual goal. So you can break it down from that huge big picture into the micro. You know, go from macro to micro and then just slowly, step by step, you'll end up getting there. And I'd listened to a few podcasts and people that had done these sort of big transcon cross run cross country runs. So I felt, I felt prepared of what I needed to do to hopefully achieve that. I did a little trial run 18 months earlier, which was a 650k run across South Africa in 14 days just to see what my body was capable of. And like that, running 50Ks a day, like, what does that mean for the body? Like, how possible is that? And I was broken after day like three. So I learned a lot of lessons from that experience. I was very. It was a really important process that I had to go through to really learn, but it. What it would take. And did you have a team around you for that?

James Mayer: 56:14

You say trial run, like that's also like. I know. Yeah, yeah. I had two,

Jack Faint: 56:18

two close pals that came with me. We had great fun

James Mayer: 56:23

on bikes. They're not running with you? No, they were in a. They

Jack Faint: 56:27

were in a. We had a campervan. That'd be me. Go chat at a camper. Tash, who's a. My best pal, Harvey's sister, who's a really close mate, she's a plant based nutritionist and she came out and was feeding me and stuff. And then one of my best pals in South Africa, Chris, who helped take Photos and drive the car and did everything and just loads of stuff. So very lucky to have had. Maybe I'm. I don't know if I'm convincing enough that I can get people get convince people to come around to, to my idea or whatever it might be or convince them to, to jump along for the ride but been blessed to have some beautiful people have said yes. That's amazing. And when, when you're in that journey

James Mayer: 57:11

do you kind of get very particular about what you set up needs to be every day? Were you listening to stuff? Was it I don't need any music, no podcasts or was it earphones in? Was it if something was slightly off, did you have your own? I can be quite particular with things like when you know this needs to be there right when I start Soundbath that's set there like everything to be laid out so I know where everything is. Was there a method to going into each day or was it more a free flowing and be more open and accepting to things shifting, changing.

Jack Faint: 57:45

It's India mate. So you can't, you can't, you can't plan too much because, because it'll throw a logistical curveball like that you need to adapt to. But each day was semi structured in a similar way. So one of the lads on the crew, Jordan Fairclough, he was Liverpool Football Club's first team physical performance coach for seven, eight years under Jurgen Klopp in that, in that era. So his knowledge of the human body, his, his ability to give his absolute everything to an athlete to help them achieve their best is, is there's not many people on the planet with the same experience. So I was very, very, very lucky to have him on the team. Frederick Reed who became a palamine through Harvey. We did the three peaks in 24 hours challenge. Ben Nevis, Scarfell, pike and Snowden. Yeah, that's it. Just incredibly diligent, wonderful, funny, committed person if everyone hasn't read the blogs. He did a daily blog that brought us to tears every day. He did everything to protect me from the outside world. So he was in charge of like communication, PR everything. So that took on all of that. And Dan Robinson, he'd been a best pal man for 10, 15 years, was making sure he cook up a storm each morning. So I had these boys that had their own individual roles and they would be in at my van at 5am to wake me up and bring me a coffee and get some food down me through to bringing me shakes at half eight, nine o' clock at night to make sure I got enough calories in me. So there was. I had those boys that could just structure the environment. All I needed to think about was just been able to perform, be able to get through that day, be able to get to the next checkpoint. So took a bit of time to find our rhythm, but once we did, it was. It was. It was pretty phenomenal. So I was really lucky to have those. Have those boys there. But in. The short answer is it was chaos, mate, rather than organised.

James Mayer: 59:54

Was there. Is there a set method you have to, like, go through yourself? Like, right, I've got this, I've got this. Rather than what. What the team is supporting with is there is a. Like steps, you have to be right within yourself, or is it just get up, get ready, have everything that I know that's supporting me and then just get on with it?

Jack Faint: 1:00:12

Yeah, I mean, there would be certain. Pretty much. I'd wake up, wake up, brush my teeth, go to the toilet, sort of like stir myself. The boys would come in, hand me a cup of coffee, grab a bowl of cereal, whatever it might be, some overnight oats, start munching them down, just slowly get my shoes on. Just as the sun's. Just before the sun rises, I mean, I'll touch on that. Is that I got to see the sun rise and the sunset for 74 days. That's incredible.

James Mayer: 1:00:44

Just saying that just shows how little we actually experienced that.

Jack Faint: 1:00:48

And that was like. I actually realised that halfway through. I was like, I'm seeing the sunrise and sunset every single day across some cracks, sometimes in the. Across not the most beautiful sites, but some times across to the most beautiful mountains and paddy fields and stuff. So then I'd just start. I'd sort of might just. I might walk the first couple K's just to get those legs moving. Jordan would perhaps before I started, if I needed a little right rub down and work through my calves or if I had a little bit of tightness. I was very lucky that I didn't really have much muscle soreness throughout. I didn't have too many niggles that we needed to overcome occasionally. So we had a massage bed. I might need to jump that for 10, 15 minutes. And then I would sort of hit the road and the boys would have to pack up and figure everything else out. And we'd sort of have 7. Between 5 and 10k intervals is when I'd see the fellas. But sometimes I'd listen to music, sometimes I listen to a podcast. Other times I just want silence. Other times I'd Want to call a loved one. It was a mixture of everything. So it was a. Yeah, it was, I guess it was a combination really.

James Mayer: 1:01:54

What was the most beautiful thing you witnessed from just you being on that journey running? What was a, a real raw human moment that stuck with you, that you just witnessed a part of, of another person's life or another soul that you encountered that just really stuck with you? It's a good question.

Jack Faint: 1:02:23

We, when we entered the state of Chandigarh, we got welcomed school. So whilst we were on the run, we wanted to try and have an impact on the journey that as we were moving through the country and there's an incredible school called Paragon 69 Secondary School. And they, they welcomed us in with open arms and open hearts and I did a talk at the school and press conference and a few other things, a few engagement bits and there was a, after we'd finished, we were sitting in the principal's office and they were bringing like typical Indian hospitality. They couldn't have brought any more for us. And sort of around about 30ks that day. I still had to go back and finish the rest of the day, but we had a couple of hours break in the middle of the day to do this talk at the school and stuff and me and the boys were just sat there chatting and having a really wonderful time interacting with the rest of the community. And then everybody left and we were sort of just chatting away as a crew. And then there was a knock on the door and this young boy entered who was year 10 or year 11. He's probably about 14, 15, 16. His name was Yathar. And he, he said, sorry guys, can I just come in and speak to you? Of course, come on in. And he said, look, I, I just wanna, I wanna get some advice from you, from, from you guys. And you guys are incredible role models and been following your journey up to this point and we're probably on about day 30 odd at something this point, maybe slightly early day, day 25. Been following your journey and I just, I wanted to tell you a little bit about the struggles that I'm having at the moment and I just wanted to see if you had any life advice for me. And this kid was a deeply talented cricket player, I'm sure there's many in India, but played sort of, was in a fast track to sort of professional player. He was, but he was really open and honest and vulnerable about his inability to be able to control negative thought patterns. Phyl is really deeply under pressure from his athletic performance, but to get really good grades at school. And he wanted to know as a community of those five, like what advice that we had for him. So whether it be overcome those thought patterns or whether it be to how can he achieve success, whatever it might be. And that was the next 10, 15 minutes or 20 minutes were probably one of the most proudest moments of my life because each of us individually then started talking to Yatharth about life lessons that we'd learned. Things like no matter what happens in your life, you will always be loved was said by one of the guys. And talking about self love, making mistakes, learning from them, about how all these different, just like wonderful anecdotes that the boys had been through about something that Yathar could apply to his life. I talked a little bit about the power of meditation. There was other things that were discussed around, around the room and you could just see in his face the impact that our words were having on him. And we've stayed in touch, we all have with him. That's incredible. And I think he's, he's professed quite a few times of how incredible his mental health has benefited from just that bite sized conversation. And it just made me really proud of the team that I'd assembled as I looked at each and every one of them and we all wanted to add value to this young kid's life. That was a moment that really stuck out and that's a great

James Mayer: 1:06:22

reminder of never underestimate and that small bite sized piece of time that you got that could be carried with him for a lifetime and how you can shift someone's life through conversation. Even this, like you said before we started is such a powerful medium that I've took a break from for a couple of years and just sitting back here while, while I'm listening to you, I'm also got my internal dialogue of wow, I've missed this because it is so powerful conversation. Getting back to that real connection, language, storytelling, essentially what we're doing when we're speaking, you're telling your storey and that ripples out to other people and inspires and shifts and gets people thinking in new thought patterns. When you completed that journey and obviously you've celebrated at the end which said before choked me up just witnessing that. Now you're out of that journey. Two things. What has it inspired for the, the next stage of what you'll be doing. But now you're in the completion phase thinking what you've just achieved, which is just unreal to like run the, the length of India. It's just that sentence is. It's just. And I think when, when you're in these things, I, I'm only. Not that it's not a comparison, but things like, like a sound bath at Manchester Cathedral. Somebody said to me, like, that's incredible. And I stand at the back when it's done and I watch everyone. It's like I'm observing something that I didn't even put on. So like you go, going back to what you said, it's kind of like it's actually not about me, it's about the space, it's about the feeling, the people, the shift, the emotion, the energy in it. So when you look at this whole thing as the person who's achieved it, but also like the observer, what, what is that when you think about that incredible achievement? I look at videos now and

Jack Faint: 1:08:28

I'm like, did I do that? That just all happen? Yeah. Sometimes I go down a rabbit hole of like some of some of the old videos. It's, it's, it's a wonderful reminder of what the journey was. I think what I found quite one of the biggest lessons I learned. I think before the run I felt like I had something to prove, more so probably to myself than anyone else. But I think I had a big. I think I had a big insecurity about unfulfilled potential. Through the lifestyle that I'd led in my early 20s. I wasted a lot of time and perhaps wasn't society's definition of success of what perhaps in my younger years thought that maybe I could go on to achieve. And I think I always had this lingering insecurity about unfulfilled potential. And I attached before the run, I attached my self worth to the outcome of the run, to that achievement. And I was very lucky that Fred, being the deep human that he is and Wordsmith who was on my crew, coined the term arrival fallacy. And arrival fallacy is the belief that when you arrive at a certain place that that is when you will have that sense of fulfilment achievement. When in reality that moment is, is fleeting. And every single time it's the journey, not the destination. It's the same as Gold medal syndrome, whatever it might be. So there's be ample people listening to this now that are striving for a promotion to buy a house to whatever it is that they. And it might be spiritual achievement, whatever it could be. It doesn't have to be the acquisition of assets or whatever it might be, but we attach our self worth to that goal. I'll be happy when I land in this place, whatever that place is, I'll be happy when I run the length of India. I will feel fulfilled when I run the length of India. But a big lesson for me was that before the run I was just as worthy as love as I was afterwards. And I think that's why I've arrived in a deep sense of peace that we spoke about at the start is that I don't. I guess I. I feel really content.

James Mayer: 1:11:00

Yeah. And I was chatting to a friend about it last night. It's like

Jack Faint: 1:11:04

perhaps that that insecurity was served me in a really wonderful way. Do you know what I mean? So to overcome that insecurity or to having that in the first place is what maybe strove me to try and achieve something incredible. So I think, I thought that was all quite a really interesting thought about that. I can't remember what your second question was. What's that? That

James Mayer: 1:11:34

moment of the journey finishing, what inspiration is that created for the next thing?

Jack Faint: 1:11:42

Yeah. So I think one thing that I thought a lot about when I was in India was, was the type of impact that I want to have. Two and a bit years ago I became a breathwork practitioner initially for self learning. Ran a community group in Cape Town that would meet every week where I'd guide a session, would go for a swim in the ocean, then we'd go for a coffee. It was just a beautiful way to start a weekend completely free. It was just a great way to get a community together. Then I started delivering some breath work to ey, Ernst and Young, to the global mindfulness community. And then I started thinking about what is the. Well when I was, when I was in India, Jordan Fairclough, who I've mentioned, who was Liverpool's first team physical performance coach. One of his main jobs during peak Premier League and Champions League weeks was how can we get players to recover as quickly as possible. It's all about recovery, recovery, recovery from when 90 minutes finishes to the time it starts again. How can you get a player to recover so they can perform at their absolute best? So I started thinking about how in the professional environment. So for context, I've worked in business to business software sales for the past seven, eight years, whatever it is. So at the forefront of speaking to businesses, understanding their problems and selling software to them to help solve those problems. And I started thinking about how so many businesses and people day to day are expected to probably perform like Premier League footballers. But every single aspect of recovery is expected to happen outside of the working day. So before work or after work you guys might go to the gym, you might go to a yoga session, you might meditate in the evenings, but during work there is no recovery baked into that. An opportunity to reset. And I then started looking at what is the shortest possible intervention that you could fit with inside a working day that could have a real lasting impact on an individual. And that is there's different studies out there. But I landed on 15 minutes. Everybody has 15 minutes to take a moment for themselves throughout the day. So the purpose that I'm driving at the moment and I'm hopefully starting to work with a few businesses is to deliver bite sized 15 minute sessions within their working week. So really excited to have landed a couple of customers that I'm going to work with closely on that. Some big huge global enterprise businesses that I've been very lucky to, to, to have conversations with to now start delivering these bite sized resets within their working week to really support the mental well being of their employees. Which is really exciting because I've seen what I don't use the word peak performance but I've seen the modern day stresses that people who are expected to perform at the very highest level plus then manage two or three young kids and just the stresses of day to day life that how much impact that can have on people. So if I can create something that can have a positive impact on people day to day without them having to put their hand up and ask for it, I think that's quite a beautiful offering. And does it feel even more poignant creating this

James Mayer: 1:15:22

with the storey that you shared earlier? Yeah,

Jack Faint: 1:15:26

it's something I know that I could have done with at different stages of life that wasn't available and hopefully it makes these tools that we're passionate about so much more accessible and people don't have to pay for it themselves. Hopefully we get the businesses to pay for it for them because in return they might see a happier employee that is less stressed, that's less reactive, that was processing, able to process just as much information but with a bigger smile on their face because that don't have that accumulation of, of load of information. So that's, that's something I feel really passionate about. And then alongside that we've got the documentary of the, of the run that's going to come out probably end of August. That's going to be amazing. Can't wait to watch that. Yeah, it's been a really interesting process to learn about producing a film. It's not something I've ever knew anything about. I mean I'VE got some down in London tomorrow and I've got some meetings with some of the biggest production companies in the country. God knows what's going to happen with it. It might not go anywhere, but we're regardless, the director who's working on it with me is really talented and we have a path to hopefully get this film finished to a really high standard and then I can take it into schools and whether it sells or it doesn't, to a streamer or we just end up doing private screenings and toy around and have interactions like we're having now that they can that medium and then talking about it afterwards can hopefully have a lasting impact on people. I've got a great feeling about

James Mayer: 1:17:06

it. I think it's going to go into a space that you probably can see and it's going to open up doors. Maybe you can't see as yet. That was one of the first things I thought when you said you were doing that. I just hope you capture it so people can visually see the storey and what you've done. When you have that finished, send me the link and I'll fire it out to our newsletter and everyone that's on our email list. I'm very aware of your time, so please let this being part one, I feel like we could go for another two, three hours easy. So there's always an open invitation. I want to say a big thank you for showing up today. I'll link everything that you want to share with me in our description to everyone listening. Big thank you for checking back in with Life is sound chat. Storey is only a small part of it. All these questions that I have here I've not touched on. So before I started, just so you know, got some questions I may glance up. I always know it's a great podcast when I don't even have to to look that way. And yeah, big thank you for your time. Thank you, mate. Let's create something when you're back in the UK as well. I think your world merging with what. What I do, I think we can hold space for a community where I bring some sound in, you bring in some breath work and we really help shift some people. I think that'd be beautiful. Yeah, amazing. So, big love and I would love you to write a question for a next guest in one of the journals as well before you leave and I'll let them read it on the next podcast episode. Yeah, thanks. Appreciate it, brother. Cheers. Thanks for your time.

Jack Faint: 1:18:46

Thank you.