Are you ready to supercharge your communication skills? In Episode 67 Madeline Schwarz, a career and communications coach is teaching the skills you need to feel confident when touch conversations and questions are required.
Using her communication triad of message, mindset, and delivery, Madeline is an expert in helping women level up their careers and confidence so they stay cool under pressure, speak and listen with clarity and empathy, and grow their capacity to do big things.
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Are you ready to supercharge your communication skills? In Episode 67 Madeline Schwarz, a career and communications coach is teaching the skills you need to feel confident when touch conversations and questions are required.
Using her communication triad of message, mindset, and delivery, Madeline is an expert in helping women level up their careers and confidence so they stay cool under pressure, speak and listen with clarity and empathy, and grow their capacity to do big things.
To talk to Madeline about how she can help you,
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Enjoy the episode.
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Welcome to the More Than Anxiety podcast. I'm Megan Devito and I'm the Life Coach for stressed out and anxious women who want more out of life. I'm here to help you create a life you love to live, where anxiety isn't holding you back. Get ready for a lighthearted approach to managing anxiety through actionable steps, a lot of truth, talk and inspiration to take action so you walk away feeling confident, calm and ready to live. Let's get to it. Welcome to episode 67.
Megan Devito:This week I have the privilege of introducing you to a coach that I met last January at a mastermind that I was in. It was an incredible experience. I was so lucky to meet tons of powerful, brilliant coaches who help people with everything from business to their marriages, to their sex life, to anxiety and stress, like I do. This week you're going to meet Madeline Schwartz. Madeline is a career and communications coach and she's going to talk with you about having difficult conversations. When you're anxious and I know lots of you guys are because you're listening to a podcast about anxiety, when you're anxious, sometimes having difficult conversations can feel threatening and overwhelming and really scary. Madeline has a communication formula that helps teach people how to speak effectively, how to say what they mean and to be brave, how to have a unique conversation, to be relatable and thoughtful. We're going to use all of that information to take the pressure off, to know how to have those conversations with the people that you love or the people that you have to tolerate, and to feel really good about yourself.
Megan Devito:Without further ado, because this is fire, I'm going to introduce you to Madeline. Enjoy the episode. Hey everybody, thank you for joining me for this episode. I told you in the introduction that I'm so excited to introduce you to my friend, Madeline Schwartz. I'm not going to try and introduce her. She has accolades to share with you. Madeline, thank you so much for joining me here. Please tell everybody about yourself.
Madeline Schwartz:Hi Megan. I'm so excited to be here. I am a communication coach and what I do is help people explain their vision and articulate their ideas in ways that their teammates and their clients and people in their personal lives understand. I like to think of my job like cooking; I give people a recipe to take all of the ideas that are swimming around in your head and making you anxious, and put them together in a way that makes sense and tastes good to other people. What that looks like in practice is that I help people build their confidence public speaking. I help them get to a place where they can tell their story and introduce themselves to strangers without being wracked with anxiety. I help them navigate difficult conversations so that they can share what's on their mind without constantly doubting themselves.
Megan Devito:This is so good. I think you've nailed everybody that listens to this podcast. It's always about anxiety and stress. You and I both know it always goes back to what we're thinking about ourselves, but that ability to be able to communicate what we're thinking sometimes gets very garbled up in all of those anxious thoughts. Tell me, when you say I work with a lot of people and I tell them how to talk with people, maybe in a corporate setting or just anybody they're trying to communicate with what do you notice? I know what I notice with the people who I might coach or who might be listening to this podcast, but what do you notice is a common theme for all of these people?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, I think people brace for the worst. This is something that just increases anxiety, because if you're going into a conversation or a presentation and you have spent the last week replaying all of the worst case scenarios, or rehashing the last presentation, or the last 10 presentations that didn't go well, or your last performance review or feedback conversation with a colleague and that's what you have been practicing; All of the things that you wish you had said last time that would have made it better where you messed up and then you bring all of that anxiety and pent up emotion into your next conversation. That just makes you more nervous and more anxious and it doesn't allow you to project the confidence that you want to project in order to get your ideas across, because you're so stuck in your head and that's when it's really easy to lose touch with what you actually want to accomplish in that conversation.
Megan Devito:Yeah, In that place where it's like, okay, maybe I want to go talk to my boss about a raise because I know, maybe I know these are the things that I've done. But I was just saying my episode that came out this week was about imposter syndrome Maybe. How do you handle those different thoughts that people have if they think, oh my gosh, what if I ask for this and maybe they think I'm not as good as I actually am at my job. Or if I talk with this, they'll think that all she does is mess up and just replaying those past you said past mistakes, things they should have done. How do you build that confidence to get to a place where you feel good about even entertaining the idea of talking with someone about things?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, well, specifically in that situation, if you're going to go ask for a raise, or if you're going to ask for more time off, for instance, I always tell people you want to go into that conversation, assuming it's a yes. You need to get yourself to the place where you can picture it being a yes because, again, if you think it's going to be a no, you show up timid, you might put off the ask until the very end so you kind of talk in circles, mm-hmm, and you're not gonna be able to persuade anybody else because you're not bought into the idea and it's easy to get stuck in this place of like, well, why even bother? So you might eventually make the ask at the very end as an afterthought, when this other person, when your boss, has been wondering why, why are you sitting in my office? What do you want? Why are we talking? There are places that I can help you. And instead, like when you go into it thinking it's going to be a yes, you show up with really, really different energy and more confidence, because it's like it's already happened and better to be disappointed on the back end right? Like if it doesn't happen then to be disappointed ahead of time and create the thing that you don't want to happen, mm-hmm. And so, in order to get to that place, there are a few things that you can do.
Madeline Schwartz:And you want to be prepared, right? So many people are scared of you, they are scared of having these types of conversations, so they put it off, they avoid it, they don't prepare because why bother, it's not gonna happen anyway. So you want to be prepared. You want to be direct, right? Don't spend half an hour talking in circles before you make your ask. And, even better yet, like, let your boss know what it is that you want to talk about in the meeting. And then you want to get curious. So be curious. You want to listen and then be empathetic, right, and empathy is so important in conversations where you might not agree with the other person's point of view or perspective, but you don't have to make them wrong.
Megan Devito:This is good. I think that's so interesting because you said like picturing somebody going into this meeting which feels like you're watching me right, like I would go into this meeting " how is your day, how's everything going? And let's just like tiptoe around, everything going on before I ask. But I thought like what really stuck with me was you said your boss is looking, thinking how can I help you? And I think just that thought alone that your boss wants to help you, instead of saying no, get out of my office, or why would you even ask this question. I love that idea that they want to help you.
Madeline Schwartz:Right, but they need to know how they can help you, and that's where being direct comes in. You want to be as direct as possible with your ask. If you're asking for a raise or a promotion or more time off or, in that situation, if you're sharing feedback with someone like, it also behooves you to be direct and upfront, as opposed to tiptoe around it and then leave with that overwhelming sense of regret that you didn't make the ask or you didn't say the thing you had intended to.
Megan Devito:Yeah, and I think also when you said Thinking about everything that they could say or that could go wrong, which is just such an anxious brain thing that let me tell you every bad thing that could happen.
Megan Devito:But the idea of the one quote I remember I've told this story before, but I was. I was reading the book You Are a Badass and I remember this was back when I was still really anxious, and one of the quotes that stuck with me it was just like it hit me like a truck was anxiety is worry, or wishing for what you don't want, or even - even the idea of just you know, let me go ahead and worry in advance, just to be sure I've got it all, got it all taken care of, that I can worry myself ahead of time, but I love the idea of why. Why waste that time worrying? So how do you get people to a place where they are going in feeling like I can go in and just say what I mean, as opposed to feeling like I need to butter someone up or I need to prepare them because I'm about to ask Earth-shattering this extra couple days off or something like that. Some what they want, like how did they get to that place?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, well, when I work with people, I always focus on Three things.
Madeline Schwartz:I caught the communication triad and its message, mindset and delivery.
Madeline Schwartz:So I help people get really clear on what it is that they want to communicate in a meeting and and we practice saying it ahead of time and into that meeting and stumbling over the words or they've never uttered that number before if they're asking for a raise, because, again, you don't want to stumble on the number when you're asking for a raise.
Madeline Schwartz:Then the second part is mindset, and this is the most important part for so many people is really Changing how they think about themselves as a communicator. So this goes back to that Inner soundtrack that we were talking about, where they might be rehearsing all of the past conversations that didn't Go the way they wanted. It didn't go its plan, and so really changing their, their beliefs around communication and themselves as communicators and leaders so that they can show up more confidently and and trust themselves to be able to communicate in a more high-pressure situation. And then the third part is the delivery, and so that includes being strategic around how you're going to ask, like thinking through If you're asking for a raise. Right, like thinking through, like why is it beneficial for the company because so many people go into these conversations and it's all focused on like me, right, like.
Megan Devito:I want this.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, I deserve this. You should have given it to me already and you know so. They're kind of angry and maybe a little bit of a defensive posture Because they don't think they're gonna get it, as opposed to thinking through like why it's good for everyone, why it's beneficial, why they would want to do it and why it's definitely going to happen. And when you're in that mind space, so much easier to show up in a for sure Confident way.
Megan Devito:Yes, yeah, I was talking with a woman, um, I Think it's probably about last February, if it's about a year ago, and she was, she was trying to decide, you know, do I just want to back out of everything with my career or do I really want to go after this just upward trajectory, like she's like, do I go lateral, do I go upward? And we went back and forth on this, and one of the things that she just she's like I know exactly what needs to happen. I just she knew, she's like, these are the things that need to be corrected, these are the things that I know how to do. I can tell them this, this, th is, and this. And I said, well, have you told anyone that? She's like, 'Well, no.' And I said, Well - what - how would that be good for them to know that?
Megan Devito:You know, but I love that idea that what do you bring. So often when we go into meetings, Ithink, when we're asking for somebody, if we're trying to communicate something that we'd like to have? You know, I would like to have time off. I would like to have time off. I would like to have a little bit, like a raise. I would like to have, whatever it is this extra benefit, something like that we think we're just asking for, are we asking for so much more than we would deserve? But the idea that, like, what do you actually bring to the table? That's a big deal, like we're just a body in a chair.
Madeline Schwartz:Right and thinking through, like why it's good for the company, the team or the organization. So I was just talking with a client a week ago in preparation for a performance review and we were going through this very exercise of she's asking for a title promotion, she's a little frustrated, she hasn't gotten it already at this point in, you know her being at the company. And you know thinking through okay, why would they want to have a title promotion? You know thinking through okay, why would they want to do this and sell them
Madeline Schwartz:only on why it's good, oh, yeah for the larger organization. Like take all the personal stuff out of it. Just why is it good for the organization?
Megan Devito:Yeah, so what do you see when people are going when is it women in particular, that you work with?
Madeline Schwartz:Primarily women, but I do some men as well, yeah, okay.
Megan Devito:So when you see that, what is the biggest thought block that they have? When we talk about mindset shifting, what's the most common mindset that you see sneaking in that gets people to hold back or to not be direct in what they want?
Madeline Schwartz:I think it's often worrying about offending people, upsetting someone, how it's going to affect how they see you. Yeah it's really a lot of worry around other people's hurt feelings for sure.
Megan Devito:Yeah, so ask if I ask for this is a, do you notice that it's um, if I ask for this, somebody's gonna think something about me, or is it going - is it go more toward, if I ask for this, um, somebody be will be like, feel something about themselves?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah. So actually, I think in this case, when we're talking about reasons, it's more about like worrying what other people are gonna think of you, like, oh, what if? What if they Don't give it to me and they think this is the most preposterous thing I've ever asked for Um, and and. So it can bring up a lot of imposter thoughts. You know a lot of worry about like not wanting to think too highly of yourself and then have other people, yeah, reveal the truth and yeah. So I think those are like the biggest things that come up in in this type of scenario. In a scenario when you're giving feedback to someone that's more where a lot of my clients worry about what other people are going to think and and whether their feelings are going to be hurt.
Megan Devito:Yeah, that leads me to a question, I was wondering about holding boundaries. I know that you work with a lot of people in more corporate settings. If you have somebody that is trying to communicate maybe difficult boundaries to hold would you offer the same advice? Or what would you say to somebody that just needs to be able to say 'no', Being able to communicate that would you say the same thing. Would that be different?
Madeline Schwartz:Well, the most important thing with boundaries and when you're worried about what other people are going to think about them, is to let other people think and feel whatever it is that they are going to think and feel about it and not let that impact your decision and what you're going to do. So there's your boundary, there's what other people think about it, and one doesn't have to change the other. And so where we get into the really stressful situations is where we are trying to control what other people think about it and how they react to it. That's where a lot of the spinning and the anxiety comes in, because we're like well, I don't want them to be upset, I don't want them to think less of me, so maybe I should change my boundary or my decision, instead of just standing solid in your decision, your boundary. They get to think what they want and you just have to become. You might not get to quite comfortable, but allow them to think those things. They might be unhappy.
Megan Devito:They might not like it. Yeah, and it's funny, I told Madeline right before we got on this call that my daughter, she's 21, and she said, ooh, I'm going to have to listen to this episode because I don't like to talk to anyone about anything uncomfortable. We just we avoid it Like it's going to kill us. I mean, this is going to be uncomfortable and I guess my I think I remember my answer was well, they're still going to be uncomfortable.
Megan Devito:But how do you like, when you have some of this, as this, doesn't - this feels very uncomfortable, like I don't know? How do you differentiate between uncomfortable and like uncomfortable, necessary and uncomfortable potentially, is this not in alignment with what you want to do or what? What's going there? Like, how would somebody that's listening to this episode, if they're like I'm just uncomfortable, and people say if I'm uncomfortable, I shouldn't be having this, I shouldn't be doing this if I'm uncomfortable; which makes me crazy because I'm like no, things are going to be uncomfortable in your life. But how do you differentiate between necessary, uncomfortable and, all up in your head, uncomfortable?
Madeline Schwartz:Well, what I tell people is you, you need to grow your capacity to say uncomfortable things, especially when you're thinking about difficult conversations. So it's not that you're necessarily ever going to sit down with your boss and feel like you're talking about the weather when you ask for a raise. Right, that might always be a little bit nerve wracking, but after you've done it a few times and you've gotten used to the idea of it not being a problem to feel a little bit uncomfortable or sweaty or unsure yourself whatever comes up for you and do it anyway, then it gets a little bit easier to do it next time. So you're just, you're growing your capacity, you're growing your muscles, and so I think of communication like any other skill, where you are improving your skill, your aptitude and building your muscles through practice, like, just like a sport, right, if you play softball, you Increased your skills, built your muscles, by doing a lot of practice, and that is also what you're doing with communication.
Megan Devito:Yeah, I love that and there is such a, I've seen it a lot on social media and you know, maybe it's algorithms and it's what you know. Whatever it is that Instagram keeps showing me is obviously something that I've paid attention to, but it is. I see so many people avoiding everything that makes them uncomfortable, like I could never do that, I'm so uncomfortable, or it makes me feel anxious and I just want to scream and say, but what if that's exactly what you're supposed to feel? What if?
Megan Devito:it's OK to feel anxious and uncomfortable when you go in there.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, and also you know it goes back to being prepared. Yeah, right, when you, when you are better prepared, you might feel a little nervous, but you won't necessarily feel that level 10 anxiety the whole time, because you know what you want to say. You have thought through the way you want to present it in a strategic way, you're not spending every moment of the conversation spinning in your head, so you're in a better place to be able to listen to what the other person is saying and respond in a logical, purposeful way, and so that's one of the ways that it can really reduce your anxiety when you shift both your mindset right, like when you think about the conversation or the opportunity in a different way, and when you are outfitted with with better techniques and better skills.
Megan Devito:For sure, for sure. And I love that preparation and you know we can practice feeling like one of the things I do is teach people OK, this is how it feels. Anything you think from here on out is just garbage, right? Like anxiety feels this way. Your brain tells you that your boss is going to laugh at you or tell you you're a terrible employee or whatever it is that your brain is churning up in that moment, when you feel it don't believe anything that you think. And I think that idea of preparedness can help say, ok, I have this anxious thought it's telling me, this is you know, this is going to, I'm going to get fired or whatever it is that it's saying, and I'm prepared. And you can really combat that with truthful thoughts that you come up with when you're not feeling horribly anxious and just generating catastrophes inside your head.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, and holding two possibilities at the same time that you can feel anxious and have these words, thoughts, and it's possible that your boss thinks you're really confident and it's ready. You know, would be delighted to promote you to the next level. Right Like those are true at the same time.
Megan Devito:Yeah, and isn't it? I think it's so great that we can actually go into something feeling incredibly uncomfortable and nervous and that, even though it feels like it's just blazing out of us, right, like everyone can tell you, leave the situation, and sometimes nobody knows except for you.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, well, you know, it makes me think of something that I read in one of Adam Grant's books about imposter syndrome that imposter syndrome is when your competence is greater than your confidence. Yeah, and when I read that I was like, oh, that is a solvable problem, like or not even something that I need to spend any more time solving for. It's just like I can live with that.
Megan Devito:Yeah, and then not to backtrack again, but it is funny. I was just before we got on this call, was getting ready, was creating a post to share about, actually about imposter syndrome and just saying that just the fact that you think that you're an imposter means that you're already successful and that you just have this like mirrored glass where you can only see the one side, where you can't be an imposter and not and be a failure at the same time. Nobody's pretending, you know that those two things don't generally happen together. You're already brilliant and successful and doing amazing things and that's why you feel like it. But isn't it funny, just like that cut off, how it doesn't go together? And the same, I would assume, holds true if you're going into have an uncomfortable conversation with someone to think all of these things and if you're even to the level, or level where you feel like you could ask for that raise, you're obviously doing something that's working.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, I haven't heard that about imposter syndrome, so I really I'm so glad you shared that.
Megan Devito:I think what did I just read? I like to Google statistics, which is probably not the best thing, but it was just saying that the most of the people who end up with imposter syndrome are women who are incredibly successful. I mean, if you're just mildly successful or not being successful at all, you don't feel like an imposter because you know that it's not working. You don't have any evidence. But if you have to hide that and be able to say, I just admit that correlation came together, that oh yeah, you're already killing it, so it's just you, which goes right along with what you said which is so fun, so good. So when people go into these meetings or questions and they're having these conversations, how do you handle when they come back from the conversation and it didn't go the way that they had hoped or anticipated?
Madeline Schwartz:What do you do about it? So that's something I work on with clients really the last part of my process and it's to develop a mindset of experimenting and evaluating, and I really see this as the antidote to perfecting and procrastinating. And so experiment is my favorite mantra for presentations and for public speaking, because it gives you permission to do it messy, to be less than perfect, and when you think of these conversations right like the conversation that you're going to have with your boss where you're going to ask for a raise as an experiment that's something that you can do more than once in your career. You don't have to get it perfect on the first try because there were going to be other opportunities, and so it just takes the pressure down a bit, yeah.
Madeline Schwartz:That is a good word, experiment and then if you approach it like an experiment at the end of an experiment, no matter how it went, you have new data and then you just evaluate your data Right. So you take a look at did I get what I want? If I did, why did that happen? What did I do in order to make that happen? And if I didn't get what I wanted, if it didn't go as planned and the conversation went totally off the rails, why did that happen? At what point did that happen?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, and so spending time evaluating and this can be the hardest part for people, especially if they tend toward perfectionism. It's really uncomfortable to sit down and look at what went well about that conversation, how could I have done things differently to influence the direction that it went.
Madeline Schwartz:But when you do this, what it does is it makes you really hone in on what's working for you and your communication, what's not working for you in your communication, and that cuts down the amount of time you need to prepare for the next communication opportunity, whatever it is, and it teaches you how to trust yourself. So the feedback that we're often looking for. All right, sorry, that was my kid, oh, I didn't hear a thing. When you start evaluating, you rely less on outside feedback for other people to tell you whether or not something went well, because you learn how to give yourself that feedback and how to take control of the situation by looking at where you do have influence instead of focusing on where you don't have influence, and that builds so much momentum and self-trust in your ability to communicate in more challenging situations.
Megan Devito:Yeah, and being able to take that responsibility and say what did I do as opposed to what did my boss say, or what did my boss do or what did I, being able to say what could I change or do differently.
Madeline Schwartz:Right by focusing on where your influences, as opposed to, you know, focusing on where you don't have influence. Right, because you know, ultimately you you don't get to decide whether or not you get the raise in this situation, but you can focus all of your attention not on that decision, where you don't have any control, but on how you prepare for it, how you're gonna show up, how you're gonna ask, how you're gonna build that relationship with that person ahead of time and, and that Really gives you more power.
Megan Devito:Yeah, and how great that when we can just say where do I have control, that it gives us an opportunity to say these are the things that I know are my responsibility. I mean, it's very easy to take that and say I couldn't, I don't have any control over this, I don't have any control over that, when so many times what we we want to control things, but we also don't want to be responsible for them. But when we can take that responsibility, it feels the idea of, oh now I have to be responsible can sound really daunting and scary, but what we want is control, and it's such a simple way to get it right, but it's also taking more responsibility for the positive outcomes and not just the negative one.
Madeline Schwartz:Yes, that's another thing that really like. Build up that trust, because instead of attributing All of the positives to other people and only attributing the negatives to yourself, yeah, how's you to See how you affected?
Megan Devito:both. Yeah, and when you get to own all of it and just say, no, this is all mine. I'm carrying all this down because when anything good happens, if you're owning it, it was you like, it was a good thing that you did and being able just to say, oh, I do have some control when, yeah, there are a lot of things we don't have control over, but just being able or open enough to accept that, that's a big step and it's so good. I'm glad that you mentioned that, because that's a big thing. We want control but responsibility; sometimes we don't want that, so it's all totally different.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, yeah and. And so when you are Clear on the message, when you clean up your mindset, when you're prepared to deliver your message in a way that's gonna resonate with other people because you've thought that strategy through ahead of time, and then, at the end of it, when you evaluate, it gets easier and easier to do that every time right, because you learn what works for you and you also learn the techniques. When I work with people like I teach them to needs to calm down their nerves before they go into those what's your favorite technique to get people to calm down before they go into that situation?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, so in the moment, a physical technique that I teach people is to count backwards I'm five and to tap your fingertips together as you do it. So five, four, three, two, one and it changes the part of the brain that you're using. It breaks your thought loops right, so it just allows you to break out of the thing that you're spinning on and pause long enough to then redirect your thoughts and the sensory piece when you tap into your senses. It's very common. That is a fun one.
Megan Devito:I don't know that one, and now I'm gonna use it because it's another one that you can do when and nobody's gonna be looking. Right like you can do that, and you can do it while you're driving your car, if you're driving with one hand, I suppose. But yeah, just anything people can do, they, I think. So often we think to calm down, we have to have these huge - there's so much out there about like the somatic expression I'm gonna have to dance and I'm gonna have to do this. I'm like no, no, no, you can really just do small things and that is such a good one.
Madeline Schwartz:Mm-hmm. So good for presentations and if you get asked a question in a meeting and you start to panic, you can just be doing this under the table like ah.
Megan Devito:So good. I love that is. I did not know that one. I thank you, it's a good one. So how - How do you work with people? Where do people find you? What do they need to know?
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, so people can find me at my website, www. madelines chwartz coaching.. They can also connect with me on LinkedIn, and I work with all of my one-on-one clients for four months, because that's the amount of time where you can take these new tools and strategies and communication templates and have a chance to implement them, evaluate them, refine them for you and keep growing your progress and your confidence using them. And then I also do trainings for teams on topics like difficult conversations, storytelling and public speaking.
Megan Devito:Good, I love that and I love that you do public speaking coaching. Because there's a big difference between I Think that that's such a fun topic that I Love it. Like I know I'm one of those people that would go into a room and if people said I had to go have small talk with people, I would think, oh my gosh, you've got to be kidding me. But if they said here's a microphone, now go up there and talk to them about something, I'd be like you know, okay, I can do that. It's so funny. Like that mindset is everything, but I Public speaking is - I think it's the number one thing that people are afraid of.
Madeline Schwartz:Yeah, and it used to be one of my biggest fears really, yeah, yeah, when I was Early in my career. I was always really good at connecting with people one-on-one, one-on-two. Anything more than one on three Mm-hmm left me feeling really, really anxious with you know, heart pounding, sweaty hands, trembling voice, all the things and and getting on the other side of that fear was the single most liberating experience of my adult life. Oh, and it's why I am so passionate about helping other people get comfortable in their communication skills, because Just one good presentation can change your entire career. It can change how you see yourself, it can change how you lead it just everything.
Megan Devito:That is awesome. My roommate in college almost didn't graduate because she put off taking. Like what was it? Speech 101 or communications 101? She's like I am not gonna stand up in front of this class and do a presentation. I'm like you can do this. It was just.
Megan Devito:It was at Purdue. It was just a little like a small class, but I remember her saying I Don't know if I'm ever gonna do this, so so good that you have that option too, and I will be able - i will be sure to link your LinkedIn and Facebook and your website in the show notes to the podcast so anybody who wants to find you can reach out to you there and talk about coaching and just really to make sure that we spread this word. There's so many people that have so much to share and if they could just get their voice, if they could get their words out and Bring it out, this is just yes, I'm like everybody has a gift and I need everyone firing on all fours. I need everybody to be able to speak it into the world. So thank you for doing what you do. It is good work.
Madeline Schwartz:It was great to be here. Thank you for having me. Thank you, I loved it.
Megan Devito:I Hope you enjoyed this episode of the More Than Anxiety podcast. Be sure to subscribe and leave a review so others can easily find this resource as well. And, of course, if you're ready to feel more relaxed, have more energy, more confidence and a lot more fun, go to MeganDevito. com/ work with me, or just to the show notes to talk to me more about coaching. See you soon.