Ep. 212 – Gifts, Alignment, and the Abundance Catalyst with Angela Goodman

In this episode of the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, Ben sits down with serial entrepreneur Angela Goodman for a conversation about gifts, identity, business alignment, and what it really takes to build influence and impact in the world.

Angela has owned multiple businesses, works with entrepreneurs through her Abundance Catalyst Method, and hosts the podcast Evolve Through God. Ben and Angela talk about why so many business owners are successful on paper but still feel stuck, heavy, or deeply misaligned.

They also dig into Angela’s recent Evolve event in Savannah, where she worked with entrepreneurs on identity, gifts, marketing, and the internal blocks that keep people from living and building in alignment.

In this episode:

•  Why success and alignment are not the same thing 
•  How childhood wounds can shape adult business decisions 
•  What “identity misalignment” actually looks like 
•  Why ego keeps entrepreneurs stuck in the wrong work 
•  How gifts, talents, and interests can point to your real path 
•  The difference between traditional marketing and “interest media” 
•  Why some offers don’t work because the founder isn’t aligned with them 
•  Angela’s journey through HVAC, restaurant ownership, consulting, and reinvention 
•  The story behind her podcast, Evolve Through God

This is a conversation about more than business strategy. It’s about building a life and business that actually fit who you are.

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Transcript

Gifts Born From Hard Times

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Your gifts are the direct opposite of what you've experienced. So if your gifts have been given to you, let's say you're someone who is just meant to love people, right? So that they get so that they get the encouragement and belief in themselves that they need. In most cases, you have been stymied in that way in your life.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Welcome to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, the show that challenges the way lawyers and professionals think about life, business, and success. Hosted by Ben Glass, attorney, entrepreneur, coach, and father of nine, this show is about more than just practicing law. For over 40 years, Ben has built a law firm that stands for something bigger. He's helped thousands of lawyers create practices that make good money, do meaningful work, and still make it home for dinner. Each week, Ben brings you real conversations with guests who are challenging the status quo. Lawyers, doctors, entrepreneurs, thinkers, and builders. These are people creating bold careers and meaningful lives without burning out or selling out. If you're ready to stop playing small and start thinking like a renegade, you're in the right place. Let's dive in.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Hi everyone, this is Ben Glass. Welcome back to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, where most every episode I'm interviewing someone inside or outside of legal who's dinging the world. Occasionally we've got soccer stuff and referee stuff and sportsmanship out there. But today I have a serial entrepreneur, a woman who's recently come into my orbit. She came and spoke to our local, to our attorney mastermind group that was meeting here in our office. Her name is Angela Goodman, and she's very interesting. She's, and we'll talk about the number of businesses that she has owned. She has developed something she calls the abundance catalyst method. She works with entrepreneurs to uncover their greatest gifts and remove internal and external blocks. And she's the host of a podcast called Evolve Through God. But when I first met Angela and we talked, like we were in deep alignment because she's all about helping people recognize their individual gifts and what I would call gifts, talents, and interests, and then aligning their actions, because really only actions ever matter. And then, you know, to build influence and to build impact in the world. And so she is just off an event of her own. So we'll talk a little bit about that. Angela, thanks for carving out some time for us today.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Ben, thank you for having me on the show. I'm excited for this conversation. First of all, I love talking to you. So the fact that we just get to spend time talking makes me happy. So thank you for asking me to come on.

Evolve Event And Deep Work

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Well, you're very you're very sweet. And uh, you know, we'll let we'll let folks know when we met about a month ago, we got on a call, on a Zoom call. I had put a call out. I needed one or two other speakers really for our local events. Some people had travel issues and couldn't come. And uh you came and you introduced me to Matt, uh your partner, and he was awesome. And then we had uh group dinner together. So it was really, it was really, really fun. And I I do remember, I do recall that on that first Zoom call, like we're like, hey, like we probably should have known each other like for a long time. Yeah. Because very much aligned, I think, in how we think about the world and you know what we can do in our little corners of the world and the impact that we can have. And we just, you know, you never know who's listening in, who needs a boost or a pull up or push sometimes, right? To move things forward. So I'm curious. This sorry, you're you're back from Savannah. You had your Evolve event. Tell us a little, let's start there. We'll come back and do some back history, but I'm always curious about people that run events and and who they're attracting and what uh what impact they're having.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

So Evolve started four years ago. This was this was the fourth annual version of Evolve, and it has evolved every year, if you can imagine that. It started out initially as a room of about 50 entrepreneurs and a host of guides. So people who I consider to be experts in in their particular field. And I brought them in to help us mastermind over a four-day period each individual's sort of next steps in their business. So we work through sales, marketing, leadership. Uh, we do communication and relationships and all kinds of different pathways for a whole person to go through uh the four days. And over the years, what I found was 50 people was too many. I wanted a smaller room so that we could do a deeper dive with a larger magnifying glass. And this year we hosted it in Savannah downtown, and I rented a mansion so that we would have an even tighter experience. So we had a group of eight people who came to the event and uh all entrepreneurs, one associated business couple, if you will. So uh two women who have a dog training business in New Jersey. And what we did was essentially unpack not only their business gifts and the things that they're working on to help their business be more efficient, but we unpacked their spiritual and gifts as well in order to provide alignment between those gifts and then what they're doing in their business.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

Love it that it's it's that meeting then was what I would call mixed breed. So you have not in our room we had lawyers when you were here a month ago. And in a few weeks I've got another group coming in and it is mixed breed, it's it's speakers and coaches from all over the country. And so you've got small biz owners, probably, all of them. And you know, I'm sure you probably have discovered this as well. Like all small businesses have the same problems. And the main problem usually is the founder.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

Yes, yes, and they need they need to get outside. Like they're interested in something, okay, dog training, uh, they're good at it, and then they start a business. So did you have any now? Did you bring in any guest speakers, or was this them on the hot seat with you and the group giving feedback and ideas?

Identity Misalignment And Ego Traps

SPEAKER_00 6:10

So we had uh three days. Each day was driven to a different segment of the human being. So the first day we actually had Matt, he came in, we worked on identity alignment and letting go of some counterfeit identities that are not serving you anymore. So we did a lot of internal work on the first day. We had we had a lot of tears happen on the first day. The second day then was uh Alex Vanderhaar, who is a great friend of mine that does neuromarketing. And he's an amazing, he's a genius in the neuromarketing field, just wrote a book called The Unconscious Buying Formula. But he was the second day. So we focused on, we took all of the things that now we know ourselves better than how do we present ourselves to the world. So that was day two. And then the third day was myself. And on the third day, I packaged up identity, sales, and marketing, and then combined it with the blocks that get in our way to create abundance in our life. So that was what we did on day three.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

So I now you have me really curious. So I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions since I wasn't there. Let's talk about identity alignment or probably more importantly, identity misalignment. Yes. So what are what are we talking about? And then I'm curious about when we have alignment, identity alignment, what that can mean for both the individual and for his or her business.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

So I'll I'll use myself as an example. I spent many years of my career just doing the thing. So I had a job in commercial HVAC. And for 15 years, my my sole goal was just to grow in my role. So I did sales, I managed people, I managed an operation. I was best at people in that business, but I didn't realize it until 15 years later. So I was very misaligned inside the company as far as my skill set and my actual gifts. And while I was able to perform and produce, it felt like this heavy weight all over me. You know, it was it made my job not the most fun. And it also made communicating with my bosses not the best either, just because I was not aligned properly in the work I was doing. And then when I got out of that business, I bought a restaurant and unfortunately didn't realize how misaligned that was as well, because I'm good at multitasking and doing a lot of things. So the restaurant became the number one in its franchise out of 32 stores, but I was miserable. So misalignment can cause a lot of issues for you as a person. And in a lot of cases, it can be the reason for your stress. It can be the reason for a lack of communication with the people around you in your life. Um, and it can cause a lot of problems, even though it looks really great and you can make a lot of money. What I realized for myself is that I actually now live a life where I can be fully abundant, have the time I need, have the money I need, have the other resources that are required to be happy every day of my life, because I have figured out what to do with my gifts to be aligned.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Identity uh misalignment, as you may imagine, is prevalent. It's a big problem in legal in the legal space. People go to law school, oftentimes I want to help people, or I'm really smart and I don't do math, so I'm not gonna go into business school, or I'm really smart and I don't do science, so I'm not gonna be a doctor, but I'm really smart. And that's how they become lawyers. Um and for a while, like it can work. And I I'm thinking as you as I hear you speak, that people can probably grow into misalignment. And maybe in your early years in the HVAC, like, hey, this is good and this is who I am, and and I'm and I'm good at it, and it's giving me energy and giving the team energy. But then, you know, one of the things I say is as as a company grows, like everybody's playing in a space that they never played in before, right? Yeah. More people running around, more revenue, more jobs to do, and lawyers, more cases to do, and you can run into misalignment. And then we kind of link that to like your people who are good culture fitted at a level and can can do a great job at one level, often or not, the people that are gonna follow you to the next level. And that's neither good nor bad. It it just is. It is life.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, and you can, you know, you can be in, you can be in a business and just be misaligned to the tasks that you're doing every day. So a lot of the clients that I work with, we start there. I I just make them make two very simple lists. One, a list that that makes them absolutely abundantly happy, all the things that they do in their day that makes them energized. And then a list of all the things that they do in their day that is completely miserable for them. And sometimes it's that simple. Sometimes the alignment isn't necessarily what they're doing. It's just the specific tasks that they're functioning in that need to either be given to someone else who those tasks energize that other person, or they need to find hire somebody to to give way uh of all of that stuff that makes them unhappy.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

I find illegal that the biggest block to doing what you just said is ego. Nobody could, I hate the thing, but the task, but nobody could do it as good as I can because I'm the smart one that went to law school. And um, the client called the firm because the lawyer's name is on the door. And our experience is like unblocking that, it was huge for me with my coach when I was able to walk through that. First, like, do you agree generally? Like ego is a big is for me the big block.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yeah, so I will say that. Um that's why we started day one of Evolve with the identity piece, because our egos unfortunately become the reason that most things get blocked. And our jobs as humans are to help each other grow and build community. And so if we are so deep in our ego that we cannot help other people grow because we believe we will do it better than everyone else, then we're actually really blocking a lot of the things that could be happening great for those people that are working for us too.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

That's a very great frame for that, like helping other people grow. And I have to say, you know, in the in the legal profession space, there is exactly zero time in a law school, zero time in the profession, in sort of the professional courses in the profession, devoted to that idea at all. It is a foreign concept for most young lawyers, unless they have been deep into the personal development space and have been interested in that independent of going to law school, they've never heard anyone say what you just said. So on that first day at your event, and now let me ask, were the folks who were in the room generally familiar with you and your philosophy, or did you have people that were walking in, I would say, like more or less cold to the event?

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Yeah, they were they're familiar with the philosophy. They had been to the people that came this year, I had one who had not ever been to a prior evolve event. The other ones had been to an evolve event. So they knew that that type of work was going to happen. You know, before because that event is so deep into that type of work, I interview everybody ahead of time and they have to know what they're getting themselves into.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Just because it can change the entire energetic dynamic of the event.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

So you said there was lots of tears, which is what that topic can tend to tend to produce. So tell us a little bit then, Angela, about the work of that day. Like what is the sort of guided introspection, probably some version of this, or sort of direct teaching that can take an entrepreneur who is already some at least somewhat familiar with what it is you were sh showing them and bringing to the world and make a significant change in their lives. Like what are we doing to help you?

SPEAKER_00 14:26

A lot of the work starts with things that have happened in childhood, and that's what makes the day very difficult. It's understanding the moments that you remember best from the ages of eight through 10 and how those have played into the dynamic of the rest of your life. Unfortunately, most of us have been in positions of abandonment. We are looking for validation, we are trying to find love in a place that that we shouldn't be looking for love in. So that first day, we spend a lot of time breaking down those barriers in order to get to the point where we can then say, in most cases, your gifts are the direct opposite of what you've experienced. So if your gifts have been given to you, let's say you're someone who is just meant to love people, right? So that they get so that they get the encouragement and belief in themselves that they need. In most cases, you have been stymied in that way in your life. It is a way of holding your gifts down by people in your life directly impacting those. So that first day, we spend a lot of time unpacking that. And then we work through some meditations so that we talk to our older, wiser selves so that we understand what is going on inside our life that is holding us back in that way. So it's it's tough because there's there are people who are not done that type of work before. And I'm saying this and it sounds like mumbo jumbo foreign conversation to them, but it's so freeing in the way you present. And it also explains a lot of the reasons why you communicate with the people in your life in the ways that you do.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

You know, and and once you have been introduced to this philosophy and this way of thinking, you start to see it. I mean, if you ask the right question, you cannot unsee it. Yes. And and and it's really is uh, you know, it's a little bit chilling or disturbing, like how how for how many people this is their reality, right? They do undervalue themselves. They don't see themselves as precious and beautiful and individual and totally unique from any other human being that's ever walked the earth, and no one's ever introduced a topic, much less said to them, Angela, like your gift, like you are the only one in the history of the world that has this combination of gifts, interests, and talent. And your job is to go help spread that to the world and let somebody else who's got a different set of gifts do their thing in the world. It's it's amazing to me how many people just have never been introduced unless you've unless you've had some good counseling or therapy, or you've got a a good coach, like a good sort of not just a business coach, but it's kind of a mindset coach, or somehow we're introduced to again personal development, the world of personal development.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, we had uh one of the one of the participants last week who is a skeptic, I'll say at best.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

She she struggles with judgment. She's very judgmental uh with her clients about a lot of different things. And one of the most beautiful moments of the event last week was that her gift is actually love. Like she is meant to provide unconditional love. That's just her gift. She has it in her, and unfortunately, it's been it's been questioned at every turn for her. And the moment that she recognized that and she realized that her judgment was hiding the amount of love that she has was just incredible. She came, she went home, she she made a bunch of videos that she posted online over the weekend that went out to her clients. And just seeing that radiating out of her and her now knowing that that's her, that that's her gift to give to the world is now gonna touch everybody she comes in contact with. And the beauty of that is if people love you, you want to love them back. So then there just becomes more love out there in the world.

Neuromarketing That Leads With Connection

SPEAKER_03 18:14

And she's gonna need reinforcement on that because one weekend is not a totally changed life make. Talk to me. So you spend the first day like trying to reach identity alignment, and then you brought in this fellow to talk about neuromarketing. I could probably guess, I think, what we're talking about, but what was the sort of the goal for day two?

SPEAKER_00 18:40

So the goal for day two, the neuromarketing piece focuses around really how people psychologically need to be marketed to, as opposed to the way traditional sales would be. So if you, if you use an example of a law firm per se, let's say that most of the marketing that you put out there is the type of law you practice, thinking that that is what's going to draw in, draw in clients to your firm. That's actually quite opposite in the neuromarketing field. The offer is the last portion of the of the thing that happens in in neuromarketing. The first portion of it is about connecting as a human being with your potential clients. So it'd be taking about the the clients that you serve in the law field, but you're going to connect to them by knowing who those people are. Right. And so media now, social media now is not really social media anymore. It's interest media. So I'm sure most people who might be listening to this have realized they open their phone and the next thing they're reading is something they were researching for themselves, right? So what is coming through all the algorithms now is what we are interested in and what we spend time looking for will now feed into our phone. We don't get our friends' posts anymore. We don't get things that don't really apply to us. We're getting the algorithms are driving what we're interested in. So it's about creating marketing that is of interest to your potential client base. And then at the last resort, then is making the offer. You want to filter people into your ecosphere before you create or provide an offer to them. So it's just a very different way of uh marketing than what used to be.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Yeah, this is exactly right. Because, you know, fortunately, so we coach lawyers who are running practices that are mostly consumer-facing practices and mostly event-driven, right? Estate planning, a little bit different. We plan for that. Everything else, I got arrested, I got an accident, found out my spouse, was cheating on me, we need a divorce, all those sort of things. And fortunately, most people walking around today don't need a lawyer. So traditional lawyer advertising really only gets heard by the brain that just had the act, if we're talking about auto accident cases, just had the accident yesterday, right? And what we teach is how can you become an interesting person and perhaps even an influential person in someone's life before they have any need for a lawyer, so that if something happens to them or one of their 50 people who would show up at their wedding, right, or their funeral, they know at least, hey, Ben is a trustworthy guy. I can't even remember what Ben does for his practice, but he is a lawyer and he's a trustworthy guy, so I want you to go talk to Ben first. And that's a that's a challenge because that's actually work. Like it's really easy to whip out a credit card and pay for an ad. That's that's easy to do. It's also really expensive. The hard work is in what what you said, like being interesting and developing something of interest to people before they ever before they ever need your offer. That's the most powerful place to be. And so can you think of any examples of like in that you had a diverse group of entrepreneurs in your room of like any breakthroughs there in the new businesses that were in the room?

SPEAKER_00 22:02

So we had it just to give you an idea, we had um ketamine spa owner. So if you're not familiar with ketamine, she's she is working on on creating a new way to market to treat with ketamine. Then we had our dog train training group. We also had a marketing agency. And then our last but certainly not least is a salon owner, which was very interesting because you think, okay, what am I doing the salon owner people going to a salon or just people that need haircuts? In this particular case, the dog training specifically so if you don't have a dog breed that you feel is an issue and you have dog with behavioral tendencies you just don't like, then you're not really looking for the type of dog training that they do. But what you are looking for is how to teach your dog how to walk better on a leash or how to teach your dog how to you know greet another dog appropriately. So for them it's about how can they educate dog owners in general for behavioral tactics so that they then become the first to mind when anyone's talking about a dog. Because the person who sees them on social media may not be the one that hires them, but may have a friend who now has hired an aggressive or has purchased an aggressive breed dog who now needs this group of people who can actually handle dogs like that. So it's so again it's not about the offer but it's about being relevant to people out there in order to be the top of mind. Our, you know, as far as ketamine therapy is concerned, that's kind of a a new thing and it's not it's not something that most people are doing in treatment. And so for her, it's about how she can talk about mental health and different practices that are relational to the other work that she's doing just to provide some type of education and clarity to people who may have some type of mental health challenges. So you start there and gain the insight. And then also again to your point like it's about it's about being an interesting person. So it is about being able to relate and connect to people. So um the person that has the the ketamine spa, her gift is hope. She literally is a hope dealer. She's been through so many things in her life that all of the things have been to happen to her so they could provide hope to someone else. So that's a lot of what she's going to focus on. How can she how can she continue to provide hope out there to people that may or may not ever be able to get her services.

Rebuilding Offers And Pricing For Value

SPEAKER_03 24:32

And then on um on day three they come back and you tie day one and day two together and send them on their way. So what's the big what do you think is the biggest takeaway because I want to come back and talk about restaurant here in a minute but your biggest takeaway from day three?

SPEAKER_00 24:52

The biggest takeaway from day three is how I help them kind of pull info from day one, info from day two, and then restructure their offerings. You know I have a a lot of clients that I work with that obviously they struggle for money, right? Financially the the money is not working out the way they want it to in a lot of cases it's because something they're doing in the offering is not in alignment with what they're meant to do. So that's what we do. And also looking at at valuation worth and liability. So my dog owners you know they they do train these these difficult aggressive breeds and so they're charging the same to train the difficult aggressive breed as they are to train the dogs that are sweet and loving and that aren't as aggressive. And so you know at some point in time they have to look there's a lot more liability and cost associated with those breeds. If there's an attack that happens while the dog is there, if something else happens, you know, then they've got they could have lawsuits, they could have legal issues, they could have all kinds of things that are going on. So working with them to restructure that offering was a huge takeaway from day three for them. But that's the kind of work we do. Once we understand the alignment once we understand your gifts once we know how you're going to market yourselves then we realign your offerings and then the financial side of things tends to flow very freely from there.

Restaurant Lessons On Fit And Freedom

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Very cool. Thank you for that all right now now tell me about your journey and and what led you to owning a restaurant. And I know you I know that you were a franchise leader and you won awards for that but I everything I've heard is that like one of the toughest businesses to own and run is a restaurant. So talk to us a little bit about the things that went well and you know you found invigorating and then the things that perhaps didn't go well and you learned from.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

Yeah I will say my my 10 years in the restaurant industry taught me a lot and I'm very grateful for those 10 years. They were probably the toughest 10 years of my life to date but but I learned so many things. When I started out Famous Toastery is a franchise that was based out of Charlotte North Carolina. And at the time they didn't have any stores in Virginia. So I was the first one to come into Virginia. And so it was a bit of a struggle in the beginning after I opened to just kind of educate the marketplace on what the brand was because people just didn't know. One of the most difficult parts of the restaurant industry is just getting people to come through your front door. And once they come through the front door then you have to do everything right to make sure they come back a second time a third time a fourth time a fifth time and they go tell all of their friends too.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Yeah. And so owning the restaurant for me was very rewarding in the fact that it was a new business I got to learn. I'm a person who just loves to learn new things every day. And I started out as the general manager of the store because I wanted to know everything forwards, backwards and sideways about that business financially, operationally marketing all of it. And what I quickly learned about myself about the third year in is that I cannot be inside the same four walls every day. I'm not good at that. I'm not good at it. So once I learned the business and how to operate it and I grew the sales and I grew the catering and I grew um you know my team into where they were, I had to get out of there, Ben. That's what I learned about myself.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Literal definition of a prison.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Yeah for me absolutely 100% it was and it wasn't that every day was the same you know we we had obviously different guests every single day and I had a different staff every single day. And what I recognized though was is once I once I felt I learned it enough, then I just didn't want to be there anymore. And so that was hard. That was a real struggle. You know, as a small business owner when you go into business and you're really excited about getting something off the ground and you realize three years in that you're like oh this is really not what I want to do for the rest of my life then you get to the point where like well what am I going to do with that? Right? What am I going to do with that?

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Well that's that um uh alignment part I'll tell you my quick funny story. Many years ago we were at a slightly different office and a woman comes in and she's just opened a restaurant down the road and she's very excited. And so and it was a nice restaurant and I went there for two lunches and took my wife there for dinner and not one time did anyone even seek to understand who I was or what my name was or how they could contact me or make me an offer or encourage me to refer. And I came back the third time I said to my team like they don't have nine months. They don't have nine months and at nine months went back there and there was a sign on the door like they were closed. Like there was and it was it was nice food. It was nice drink it was great atmosphere. Absolutely no effort to make a connection to figure out like who's this guy who's now here three times and likes it enough on time two and three like he should be bringing his friends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

Yeah.

Faith Journey And Evolve Through God

SPEAKER_03 29:54

All right so now on your journey um tell us a little bit about your your podcast Evolve Through God. Mm-hmm that's interesting. What are you trying to what what's the impact there do you think you're trying to have so my my faith walk um really was sort of non-existent until I was 38.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

I knew I knew God existed. I had a feeling uh that that he was there. I had been through a near death experience twice um and I just wasn't quite seeing the forest with the trees you know what I mean? And so at the age of 38 I really started to get questioned. I noticed the people around me were kind of questioning what I believed in. And I didn't know enough to know what the heck I believed in. So I started delving into I'm an analytical girl I graduated with a chemical engineering degree. I'm all about the numbers and math side of things you're a poker player too. And I'm a poker player yes and so and so because of all of those things my brain just immediately goes to I want proof I want proof I want proof right so I started doing my own walk and sort of figuring things out and what I recognized at that time was God was with me the whole way. Every single thing that had happened for me whether I liked it or didn't like it was orchestrated. And it was there were just too many coincidences for me to turn down and all the analytics I did, you know, all the books I read all the historical references all of that stuff just amounted to if I would have just opened my eyes a little bigger I would have seen it. And the beauty of my relationship with God at that time was he was just ready for me to find him. And I had hosted an event with uh my my coach Gene Early who is based in Harrisonburg but he's been an executive leadership coach for 30 years. And he's incredible and he he's very deep in his faith. And I met him at an event in 24 and started working with him. And I said hey it would be great if we could host an event together. Like I want you to come in with a small group of people and help people find their gifts and he agreed to doing that uh two years ago this coming October and what happened to me I hosted it at a friend's farm in Wisconsin and I was out walking on the final day of the event and I got a whisper it's time for you to tell my story. And I said I don't know what that means. It's time for me to tell your story. And what came to me in the next couple of weeks was essentially this directive of need you to share the stories that of my work and everyone's life. It's so different and it's unique for everybody and I want you to share those stories. And so I never planned on having a podcast in my life. I've been a guest on lots of podcasts but don't really want to do the work to have my own essentially and um but that was sort of a direct order. And so I said okay fine. So December of 24 I started Evolve Through God and it is the first couple of episodes are about my journey and then everyone since has been about uh you know just how God works individually in the life of the of the person that comes on to be interviewed. Um and I'd love to have you on Ben your story's amazing it would be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

I I'm looking forward.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Yeah I would love to have you on we'll get that scheduled but uh that's why it started I'm in the process right now of doing a special project. I haven't told anybody this but I'll tell your listeners uh that there are 12 guests from the first season of Evolve Through God who have agreed to collaborate on an anthology book of their story. Um so we'll be putting that out hopefully by the end of 2026. So that will be uh you know just a a little bit a little bit of hope for people who maybe are starting their journey or aren't very far along and just want to learn or or maybe those who are just interested in the testimony of others. And so that will be coming out soon.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

So oh thank you for that that that's um that's exciting and working the hardest part of that work is hurting the cats who are writing the parts of the anthology book like you should tell them it's due end of June.

Rebirth Into The Abundance Catalyst

SPEAKER_00 34:01

I mean this isn't that yeah hard for the each one of them it's hard for you it's not hard for them I don't think to do this right at least get first drafts most of them have written books before so that's the good news so 3,000 words for them is like oh I'm good you know because they've written whole books before so hopefully they will be okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

So who are you looking to work with in your well or or tell me I guess what is your current sort of business say you told told us about your event I don't even know if you're doing individual coaching or group coaching or other things besides the evolve event but tell us a little bit about what's going on in your life.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

So I have been uh in the last two and a half months sort of rebirthing myself if you will I sold the restaurant business I had two other real estate businesses I sold last year and then I also closed my consulting business because it wasn't in alignment to what I feel I'm supposed to be doing anymore. So Valkyrie Ventures if you if anybody looks me up I I had that as well. So all of that has all sort of been behind me. And in the last two months I've been rebirthing my uh coaching business again, but it is directed toward exactly the work I do now, which is helping people catalyze their gifts. And most of the clients that I plan to work with are going to be people who already have done some level of personal development work that are looking for the reasons why they just can't seem to to get things kind of kind of going in the direction they want. I actually by accident assigned a client two weeks ago it's not an accident right and now it's divine timing. But at either I had I had breakfast with a woman uh the week before last um and she was gonna work with Matt and then she called me the next day and said no no I want to work with you and and that was not expected. So she is she is client number one for what will be called the uh my abundance catalyst and I haven't even put any of the formal business things together for it yet. Uh but it's a methodology that I do entrepreneur. Yeah exactly exactly well it was a methodology that I use with my other clients yeah start to figure out later uh I had used the methodology with my other clients I sort of developed it over time with them but this that business also did bookkeeping and other things and so this one is just just strictly the coaching.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

And I assume then no website yet is that right or it's in design right now.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

In design yeah it's in design right now I'm working on all the branding and the website and all of that. So hopefully I think probably by June I'll be ready to like formally roll things out. June's like I don't know shit that's like a long time away from now um listen I'm not I am totally acquiescing to uh Kiero's time I am not I am not uh on Angela's time I'm doing my best to just stay in my lane.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

Well let's do this and uh anyone who's listening to this and would like to reach out at least have a conversation with you or make a contact what's the best way for they to for them to do that Ann Instagram is the best way to get me it's MS Angela Goodman so Ms.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Angela Goodman or Facebook. You can find me on Facebook too Angela Goodman.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

Very good well look uh you're a busy woman with an interesting backstory and and and now like developing the next the next phase like what's the next phase of life thank you for sharing that story with us. And I look forward to coming I would love to come on your podcast.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Like yes we need to get that scheduled I'll send it over so you can sign up.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

All right well look thanks for your time today Angela thanks Ben that's it for today's episode of the Renegade Lawyer Podcast where we're rewriting the rules of what it means to build a great law practice and a great life. If something sparked a new idea or gave you clarity pass it on. Subscribe leave a review and share this with someone who's ready to think bigger want more tools, strategies and stories from the trenches? Visit greatleegalmarketing.com or connect with Ben Glass and the team on LinkedIn. Keep building boldly we'll see you next time