Cybernomics Radio: The Costs and Benefits of AI
Where we explore the hidden costs and benefits of today's Hybrid Workforce
Through in-depth conversations with founders, executives, cybersecurity leaders, economists, researchers, and innovators, Josh Bruyning examines what happens when intelligent systems begin influencing how companies operate, how economies function, and how humans make decisions.
From AI deployment and automation to cyber warfare, digital power, labor disruption, governance, and the psychology of technological change, each episode cuts through the hype to uncover the real economic and human impact of emerging technology.
Cybernomics isn’t just about where technology is going, it’s about who wins, who adapts, and what the future costs.
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Cybernomics Radio: The Costs and Benefits of AI
Savannah Street Interviews On AI Fear And Hope
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We walk the streets of Savannah asking strangers how AI is changing work, trust, and everyday life, then we follow the answers into deeper questions about authenticity, fear, and power. From cooks to teenagers to healthcare and science voices, we keep circling one idea: AI can boost productivity, but it can’t automatically replace human meaning or human responsibility.
• whether a robot can replicate “heart” in cooking
• teen concerns about deepfakes, scams, AI recognition, and job loss
• why younger people may crave authenticity and in-person connection
• environmental worries about AI at scale and data center resource use
• AI as a tool that needs restrictions and clear government mandates
• workplace reality of “time saved” turning into more work
• fairness questions about pay when AI raises productivity
• healthcare use cases that speed workflows but reduce human contact
• limits of AI in lab science where theory fails in practice
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Will AI Take Your Job
SPEAKER_10Jeffrey and Brian, and we're in Savannah, Georgia, just you know asking people what they think about AI. The question today is how worried are you that AI is gonna take your job?
SPEAKER_00Uh not so much worried about in the kitchen, maybe, you know, but uh you know what I'm saying. I think as far as cooking, you gotta put your heart into it. You know what I'm saying? I don't think AI got one of those.
SPEAKER_10So if if for instance, we don't have AI that can like go into the kitchen, there aren't any robots really, at least not you know, everywhere. Yeah. But do you think that a robot would ever be able to replicate that that heart that you talk about? Nah.
SPEAKER_00It takes heart to put, you know what I'm saying? You gotta put your heart in some of the stuff, you know, as far as the cooking, it won't, it doesn't, it doesn't have one of those.
SPEAKER_10Alright, Jeffrey. Well, that's that that's a it's a respectable stance. I think that that's a lot of um the sentiment of a lot of people right now is that AI can't do what human beings can do, right? So that's kind of where you're at. Any thoughts over here?
SPEAKER_00I feel the same about it. You know, um the robot really won't be able to do what we do, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_10What about in like a hundred years?
SPEAKER_00A hundred years? Uh I I ain't gonna speak on that because that might not be.
SPEAKER_10I'm not gonna be here either. There's nobody nobody's gonna be able to verify this. Maybe a couple of babies that are uh that are listening to this right now. Alright, fellas, thank you so much. Alright, have a good one. I think unks were cooks in the kitchen.
SPEAKER_11Oh yeah, those unks put their feet in it. Yeah, they cook is gonna be so good.
SPEAKER_10And I agree with them. I don't think that AI, maybe one day, like there's gotta be something about a human cooking an omelet that a robot can't do. What do you think?
SPEAKER_12You know what? I'm gonna have to agree with that one because will robots be able to put love into the meals that they cook.
SPEAKER_10Well, here's the thing you have to define love in order to have the robots replicate it, and we can't even define it ourselves.
SPEAKER_12Touche, touche. Well, we'll see. Who knows? They are the future.
SPEAKER_10To the baby listening to this, tell us keep a record in a hundred years, report
Teen Fears About Scams And Jobs
SPEAKER_10back. Word on the street, cybernomics. Julia, Julia, and Maya. Is that real? Like you're both Julia? Interesting. So I'm guessing you're not sisters. No, we're both. Unless Okay, okay. Uh otherwise your mom would be very fond of the name Julia. Okay. What do you think about AI?
SPEAKER_15I think AI is a tool that honestly now in nowadays can be really helpful, but also it's something I think to be feared of, honestly, and like especially looking forward and for students and for and for work, I believe it's something that should be feared, honestly.
SPEAKER_10You think we should be afraid of AI? Do you agree?
SPEAKER_14Um, well, I don't think we should be afraid of AI, but I think that the possibilities are scary to you or like to other people, such as like AI recognition. I personally think that's a little terrifying because 50 years ago we wouldn't have even imagined like a f a telephone, and now like 50 years this is how we've evolved.
SPEAKER_10So it's scary because it's unknown, is that fair to say?
SPEAKER_15Yes. I would sort of. Okay.
SPEAKER_10Alright, so Julia and Julia, that's like uh two out of three. Are you gonna make it three out of three? Are you afraid of AI?
SPEAKER_13I'm like afraid of it, but like I don't know, like I think it can be like scary, like of all the scammers and stuff, like you know.
SPEAKER_10Okay, so I hear if I'm hearing the three of you, uh one of the things is you can probably make AI do things that human beings can't do, and that's scary. So like scamming, probably things like deep fakes. Exactly. Okay. So are you afraid of more like AI taking your jobs or anything like that?
SPEAKER_15Yeah, actually, that's that's something actually what I was uh thinking about, like being why we should be afraid, also because of the jobs and stuff that like humans technically can't do, and AI has the capacity to create things, which is like something which I find this is what it would be scary.
SPEAKER_10That's scary. Okay, so if they said that AI won't take your jobs, would you be happy? Would you give it a thumbs up?
SPEAKER_14I would be happier, yeah. But yeah, if if it was environmentally friendly, then exactly.
SPEAKER_10Alright, how old are you guys?
SPEAKER_14Seven.
SPEAKER_10Oh, fifteen and seventeen. Alright, thanks guys.
SPEAKER_12I think it's great that we asked them. Turns out they're children. I think it's good to ask teenagers how they feel about AI because they are the future.
SPEAKER_10We're now walking through. You know what? As a matter of fact, I don't even want to joke. This is one of the haunted haunts hauntedest places in Savannah, Georgia. And I don't know. Not too fond of it, but it's so cool, I'm not gonna lie. It's like something right out of a horror movie. You okay?
SPEAKER_12Yeah. Energy is different.
SPEAKER_10Oh yeah. It's weird. Excuse
Authenticity And Government Oversight
SPEAKER_10me. We're with an AI podcast and we're going around asking people about AI. Can we ask you a few questions?
SPEAKER_01Uh if are you brave enough? Yeah. She has very strong opinions about AI.
SPEAKER_10Alright, so you were I'm guessing you're mama? I am mom. Okay, alright. Or big sister. I don't know. So so I was talking to somebody else um and they redirected me to their kids. So this is two for two. Okay. So uh okay, how how old are you guys?
SPEAKER_0214, 15.
SPEAKER_10Okay.
SPEAKER_02And what are your names? Reagan, Macy.
SPEAKER_10Alright, Reagan and Macy. And your mom says that are you sisters? No, friends. Best friends. Okay, so which one is yours?
SPEAKER_01And she's mine.
SPEAKER_10Alright, okay. So what do you think about AI in general?
SPEAKER_02Um, I think it's bad for the erg.
SPEAKER_10Okay, and do you agree?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't like it.
SPEAKER_10Okay, all right, so you can maybe settle a bet. We were kind of going back and forth on why younger people may not like AI. And our Yeah, I I would have thought that younger folks would have embraced it, but I I'm a 90s kid, right? So robots were cool to us. So our thesis is that uh the younger folks, because you have technology all the time, like you're using it all the time, that it's not that impressive. And so it's just an inconvenience. Like, is that true or no?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I've always kind of told everybody I would much rather have been born in an earlier generation because I just get so bored of my phone. I'd rather be like living in the moment and my friends are all always on their phones, and I always have hated it.
SPEAKER_10Okay, so technology's really not that cool, is what I'm hearing.
SPEAKER_02Um to me at least. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_10Okay, so what's your reason for not liking AI?
SPEAKER_02I just don't think it's good for the earth. I think we're already at a bad place. I don't know.
SPEAKER_10Uh define it's good. Define, okay, so tell me, I I hear that a lot, right? Okay, what do you think?
SPEAKER_01So I think a couple of things. I do think the younger generation is more drawn to authenticity, face-to-face contact, in-person shopping, tangible things that they can touch because they've grown up in front of a screen. And so online shopping is their norm versus going into a mall and touching fabrics and seeing people face-to-face contact is more rare for them. So they're naturally gonna be drawn to something that we would consider more nostalgic, right? Um, I think they are very, very good at picking up fake, even to our eyes, where we wouldn't recognize it, right? We would think it's photoshopped. They immediately like they're very quick to pick up fake.
SPEAKER_10So it's creepy to them, a little bit creepy.
SPEAKER_01I do think they are probably more tuned into the environment and the impact. I think the older generation or maybe gen or millennials probably need to be more concerned about job stability because it's gonna wipe out jobs way faster than what by the time some of these guys graduate college with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt in the tech industry, there's no jobs available for them. So I think really our concern as parents should be worried about our younger generation. Do they have a future in jobs? And they're more worried about authentic connections, they can spot fake a mile away.
SPEAKER_10So how much of that do you agree with?
SPEAKER_01A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_10Okay. So if you were to address all of those issues, if it was good for the environment, it didn't wipe out jobs, do you think that AI would do more good or would it do more bad?
SPEAKER_01I think in the middle, maybe? I think it has the potential for both. I think it it it's just like a knife, right? And the tools of a chef, it's amazing, and the tools of a murderer, it's terrible. And so I think it depends on the way you use it. There's powerful opportunities for it, but it needs restrictions. It needs government mandates. It has to.
SPEAKER_10Okay, so last question. If this gets political, it sounds like it's starting to go into that, into that territory. Do you do would you have more confidence in AI if there was a government or an administration in power that you trust?
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't say that there is a government that I trust.
SPEAKER_10Oh, okay, plot twist. Yeah. All right, so Okay, so it comes down to government oversight and the people who have their fingers on the nuclear button.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, I think no matter what party, whether you're independent, Republican, or Democrat, there's going to be people that you don't trust even within your own party. There are things that we don't see, there are files that are we'll never have access to, that are just that are not disclosed, that at any point in time it's way more powerful than what we can even imagine. I do think there needs to be government laws and mandates around it because that's the way that our country functions. But no matter how many times we say that, we know that we're one button away from mass destruction. So excellent.
SPEAKER_10Well, thank you so much. I I I've already been greedy with your time. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, best of luck with what you guys are doing. It's awesome. Good luck with your podcast.
SPEAKER_10All right, thank you. Cybernomics.
SPEAKER_01Actually, I'll give you love to follow it and listen.
SPEAKER_10So we are anywhere.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, awesome. Thank you guys. Listen to your podcast. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_10I appreciate your time. Bye-bye.
AI At Work More Output Or More Life
SPEAKER_10They're just afraid of practical things like losing their jobs, unemployment. Again, you know, is something that keeps coming up. God creates man, man creates AI, man destroys God, AI destroys man. Women destroy AI, women inherit the earth. Or AI and women cohabitate.
SPEAKER_06Exactly.
SPEAKER_10Hi. Good, how are you? We're with Cybernomics. We're an AI podcast. Um, and we're just going around asking people to give us their thoughts about AI. Could we ask you a couple of questions?
SPEAKER_04Uh okay.
SPEAKER_10What's your name?
SPEAKER_04Robin.
SPEAKER_10Robin, I'm Josh. This is Katana. I've been talking to a lot of people today, and they all kind of have this fear that AI will take their jobs. What do you think?
SPEAKER_04I think there is some truth to that. I have two sons that are in IT um programmers, and uh the he the one explained to me that that is true, but that it's not necessarily a bad thing. Now, I personally have never used AI for anything. My husband, on the other hand, uses it all the time, so he probably would have done a better interview.
SPEAKER_10What does he what does he use it to do? Do you know?
SPEAKER_04He's right there. He oh hi for forms and I don't know, he could tell you just different things that he he uses it for. But I know he uses it a lot and he really likes it.
SPEAKER_10You think if I go over there and talk to him, he'll talk to me? I do. Yeah. He's not. Hi, sir. Hi. How are you going to do? Good, how are you? So we're with Cybernomics, Cybernomics Radio, and it's an AI podcast. So we're just going around asking people, you know, what do you think about AI? And your wife was saying that you use AI, and I was wondering, what do you use it to do? She thinks I know what I'm doing, I don't know what I'm doing with AI.
SPEAKER_08Here's a secret here. Fake it, I don't really know how anything about AI. Neither do I. And I do it for a living. My son is a computer, so he told me that it's like a a a child that thinks it knows it all, that's what AI is. Yes. And well, teenager that knows all is what he said. You agree with that?
SPEAKER_12For the most part, yeah. A lot of people depend on AI to finish their work for them, but it's like, no, think about it. We created you, so what do you have to do? Go over it.
SPEAKER_10What do you think about AI from um a religious standpoint? I would rather not comment on that. If you were to use AI to help you do something every single day, what would it be?
SPEAKER_08I just create forms. Um, I just use it for like, you know, documentations and things like that. Something on a computer that would take tedious work that would allow me to like continue to get more done, but yet not let it be the brains for me.
SPEAKER_12I love that for you. So with it doing very tedious work, how many hours do you get back from that? And what do you do with those hours?
SPEAKER_08Uh have to do more work. Oh no. That's very interesting. You know, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09It doesn't really change.
SPEAKER_08What what because, like, for example, today I I made a um an agenda um form for an older gentleman because they don't know how to do it, they don't have so I didn't and I really that wasn't my job. He's supposed to do that, but I did it for him, printed it out and gave it to him so that he could he could have that. But I I had something else to do. So I was doing my work, but I just did that for him because the older generation, they don't know how to use AI. And I'm and I told my wife, I said, AI to me is like going from um basic math to algebra. If you take the time to learn it, it's going to make you much more tenfold productive, but you have to take the time to learn it and you can't close your mind down. And that is actually how uh in uh religious, that's what it's really about. It's like taking the time to learn it. It's not controversial to me, it's just that I don't want to affiliate. I I can't really do that with this one, with just being here.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08We understand.
SPEAKER_10Well, what's your name again, sir? David. David. Yeah. David, nice to meet you. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_08Nice to meet you, bro. Thank you so much for your time.
SPEAKER_10Thank you. You have a good day.
SPEAKER_08Oh and oh wait, where'd they go? We're gonna put that one away because we we're gonna combine, we have a cart down there, and we generally wouldn't do an interview with the new arts because we don't want to associate with anything else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the reason the only reason I did your interview is because they are putting that away. Okay. And we won't do an interview, like I don't we tell them not to do interviews because people manipulate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
SPEAKER_10So we don't want that. But I we were actually putting that away because the heat. Yeah, it's getting hot. Well, I appreciate you.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, we really appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Why I said I love that for him, because I was hoping that AI would have done most of his work and that he can use the extra three hours that would it take that would take to do his work to spend it with his family, you know, or something like that.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, and you know what, I gotta be honest, that kind of caught me off guard because I thought that people will say I spend that extra time with my dog or with my cat. But I'm remembering that when I started using AI and people weren't really using it in the office, I really wouldn't tell them that that thing that took me five minutes, they'll think that it took an hour, and I and you know, I could use that time to do something else. But if the company knows that you're using AI and why you're using it and that you're using it, then they're just gonna make you do more work, huh?
SPEAKER_12Yeah, and that's the sad part about humans.
SPEAKER_10How do you feel about that?
SPEAKER_12That sucks.
SPEAKER_10Well, I mean, if your boss told you, hey, you're gonna use AI, you can use AI, it's like, yay, that's great.
SPEAKER_12Okay, then you better pay me more because what comes with it then?
SPEAKER_10That's a really good point, right?
SPEAKER_12Because then if you're buying AI for us, which is right, something that I agree with, but you're giving me more workload, then it makes no sense.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.
SPEAKER_12The reason why we have AI is to help us so that we can become happy at home too. I think about it, balance. Yeah, and I bet the exact kids were like, no, we're worried about jobs. Oh, not the kids, but the mom and the kids, I guess.
SPEAKER_10Right. So when we go into a company and we talk to an office administrator, for example, and we're we're saying to them, Hey, have you thought about using AI? They probably have, but not favorably.
SPEAKER_12Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. I saw a whole group of people over there. Did you see that way back there? It was like a do you want to like a bachelorette party?
SPEAKER_11Sure, do you want to go back?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
Environment Healthcare And Lab Reality
SPEAKER_11Okay.
SPEAKER_06Oh, this is that same thing.
SPEAKER_10Hello. Just curious, what do you guys got going on here?
SPEAKER_06Uh, so it's just uh a picnic. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_10Okay. Yeah, just saying it. Okay. I'm the odd one out. Oh, really? Okay. Well, so you could totally say no to this, but we're we're an AI podcast. We're with an AI podcast, and we're just going around asking people what do they think about AI. So we ask you a couple of questions? Is that or is that intruding on your time?
SPEAKER_06No, uh, you don't want it.
SPEAKER_10You don't want you don't want you don't want to answer.
unknownWhat are they doing?
SPEAKER_10We're just we're just asking people about what do they think about AI. AI? Yes.
SPEAKER_07I don't know.
SPEAKER_10No, that's good. Controversial is good. Why is why why do you think it's controversial?
SPEAKER_05Honestly, I feel like AI it's helpful. People won't admit how helpful it is, but I'm not gonna lie, I don't understand the whole water thing. Well does anyone understand the whole water thing? Okay, so what does that have to do with AI? Educate me, please.
SPEAKER_03So what she was trying to tell me, because I had to ask her, what she was trying to tell me is basically it's almost like how littering is a problem for global warming, but it's not the main problem for global warming. And she related that to how AI and the data centers are like a problem with the water, like it's not necessarily a super pressing issue right now, but if we keep going on this same trajectory, it will be. It's gonna add up, it's gonna add up over time, especially if we go more and more into AI use.
SPEAKER_05Okay. I will say I enjoy how lazy I get to be with AI, but I can also say a lot of people are not using their brains enough anymore because of AI. So I can admit on both.
unknownI agree.
SPEAKER_05I don't know if it's a good idea.
SPEAKER_10Do you use AI at work? I'm a nanny, so no. So you're not afraid that AI is ever gonna take your job. Is anybody here afraid that AI will be able to do it?
SPEAKER_07I'm a little like it's not a good idea. It's definitely being used to prioritize what patient is being looked at first. So if this patient has cancer, they're gonna be reading that exam before someone that has benign findings.
SPEAKER_10So you're a nurse, I'm guessing, or a doctor.
SPEAKER_07Imaging.
SPEAKER_06Um, imaging tech, yes.
SPEAKER_10Okay.
SPEAKER_06With um, because I work in healthcare and I feel like with what I do, I feel like AI could possibly like take over. But you still miss that like human interaction too. So I feel like that would be something that would be like a big part taken away. Especially dealing with older people, they don't want to talk to a robot, they want actual like human contact. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm like that representative. I want to talk to a real person.
SPEAKER_12What if AI does help you and take your job? Well, you know, like what if you work next to it? How does that make you feel?
SPEAKER_06I kinda would what I do now, because I work for the VA with primary care, so they kind of already do like some of the stuff we do has AI with it. So I kind of already do work closely with AI, and it does help like me pull up like patients faster, find stuff faster, but at the same time, I still need my coins, so I don't want it to So what if they made you what if they asked you to just do the stuff that's more human related and let the AI do all the boring stuff?
SPEAKER_10Would you be okay with that?
SPEAKER_06No, because then I feel like I'm not being fulfilled either in that position. Like it gets to do all the like I get to do the easy stuff, but I'm gonna get tired of that eventually too. I'm like, this is not fulfilling me. Right, right.
SPEAKER_10Okay. Make sure status check. Alright, we're still running. Any other thoughts?
SPEAKER_03Um I feel like I'm a scientist slash engineer, and I feel like it's helpful when it comes to theoretical stuff, but there's certain stuff a machine don't know what can actually happen. Like it can never replace lab work because a lot of stuff is possible in theory that's not possible in real life.
SPEAKER_10So I'm glad you said that. AI lives in like a simulation where everything is very theoretical and it's not grounded in it's everything is perfect. But if they were to work out those kinks, right, and have AI again, I'll ask you the same question that I asked her. It took away all the boring stuff, so you got to focus on the things that only human beings could do. Would that be valuable?
SPEAKER_03I don't know if that's possible in my field, to be honest. And I say that because again, even when I sit in class and learn about all of the stuff through theory, you don't know what's actually possible until you try it. AI can't necessarily go and try it. You know what I mean? They can pull sources and like kind of study literature that's already out there, but they can't go in the lab and test it out themselves. I had to change my project several times because I thought, oh, this is for sure gonna work. I should be done in two months. And then three years later, I'm on a completely different path because it wasn't possible. But in the literature it said it should be possible, but it wasn't when I tried to put it in practice.
SPEAKER_10Okay, fair enough. Anything no? Any other no thoughts? All right, what's your name?
SPEAKER_06Paula.
SPEAKER_10Oh Paula, thank you, Paula. Thank you, Erin, Rudy, thank you, Rudy, Mara, thank you, Mara, and the nanny.
SPEAKER_05Blessings.
SPEAKER_10Blessings. Where are you from?
SPEAKER_05South Africa.
SPEAKER_10South Africa. Okay, I couldn't pinpoint it. It was nice to meet you all. Thank you so much. Oh, I'll give you my card. You can just go to cybernomics.io and there's a podcast section. Audio. Mm-hmm. It's just audio. There's some some I have some YouTube videos, but it's primarily audio.
SPEAKER_07Thank you.
SPEAKER_10Yep. Alright. Thank you so much. Have fun.
Final Reflections On Human Value
SPEAKER_07You'll go this way?
SPEAKER_10Did anything did anything surprise you in that one? Um great question by the way.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes and no. It's just when now that we're meeting people that are in the medical field, I'm like, oh, even more interesting, right? Because you like in Doctor Strange, when he got his when he was in that accident and his hands went bye bye. Right? Like as a doctor, you need these to do whatever.
SPEAKER_10Right. So you've got the hands, but you still you even if you have the hands, you still need the human brain to direct the hands.
SPEAKER_12Yes, exactly.