Compounding Daily
Do you feel stuck? Uninspired? Stagnant? The Compounding Daily podcast hosted by Miguel Sanchez, aims to spark curiosity and drive. Each episode gives you deep insights on how to cultivate healthy habits, practice discipline, change your perspective of life, and restructure your mindset in a way that promotes small changes in your daily life that will compound to help you earn that 1% needed everyday to reach your goals, whether they be physical, mental, or both.
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Compounding Daily
EP148- Anxiety, Faith, And God. W/ Trey.
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This week’s episode dives into a milestone conversation about anxiety, responsibility, and faith—and how honest dialogue can turn pressure into growth. We explore why anxiety often rises as life expands, and how shifting the mindset around it—from enemy to signal—can transform fear into fuel. The conversation gets practical: intentional self-talk, the role of solitude, and the work of negotiating with old patterns that try to pull us back.
We also open up about belief in a real, approachable way. The episode walks through the journey from anger and skepticism to building a working relationship with God grounded in gratitude, accountability, and daily alignment. Prayer is reframed not as a last resort, but as a way of staying connected to purpose. Together, we unpack the difference between religion as a team sport and faith as a relationship—and how to talk about God without ego, agenda, or conflict.
Nothing gets dodged. The Jesus question comes up naturally, leading to thoughtful skepticism on one side and sincere conviction on the other. What emerges is respect, clarity, and a shared curiosity. The episode also introduces a powerful lens: maybe heaven and hell aren’t distant destinations—maybe they show up in our choices, habits, and the meaning we create every day.
Expect references to Outwitting the Devil and Think and Grow Rich, practical tools for navigating anxiety, and a real-time example of disagreeing without disrespect.
As you listen, pay attention to what challenges you, what comforts you, and what you’re still wrestling with. Sometimes the questions we avoid are the ones that end up shaping us the most.
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Hello and welcome back everybody to Compounding Daily. I'm your host, Miguel Sanchez. Welcome back to another episode. We are reaching episode 150. I can't believe it. It was brought to my attention this morning, actually. And uh with that being said, I want to double emphasize on my gratitude. Right? I always start every episode by expressing how grateful I am for the you, the listeners, because uh there's something that I value most is time, and time spent listening to me. I want that time to be spent gaining value, not just entertaining, not just you hearing how great my life is or how bad my life is. But the goal is always to make sure that you walk away with something so we both get something out of this. And uh with that being said, I can't believe it. We are here, and I have a guest with me. I don't know how to introduce guests because I don't have guests very much, so I'm always thinking in my head, like, oh, what am I gonna say? You know, but I I've been watching other podcasts, and sometimes other podcasts just click record while they're in the middle of the conversation, so it just picks up right where they're talking, and then it just goes from there. Uh, for some reason I always feel like I gotta have an intro, you know. Uh, but uh the person with me needs no introduction. If you know Miguel, you know the person who's with me. And if you don't, then you don't know Miguel because it's just it it would it it wouldn't make sense, right? But here with me is my coach, my friend, my brother from another mother. Uh Trey, what's up, man? Welcome back, dude.
SPEAKER_00:Feels good to be back. You know, I love having conversations.
SPEAKER_01:Let me scoot away. I feel too close.
SPEAKER_00:Just chopping it up with my boy, you know, just dropping some knowledge. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:This has been a long time coming. I've I've been I've been spending some time alone in here, as I told Sam or and Juliana, you know, uh getting the reps in is what I've been doing. Um just trying to get better, understanding that I'm never the nothing's changed in regards to the podcast. Like I'm not trying to sell people anything. Yep. I don't have an ebook that's on sale anywhere. So it's just like uh what conversation can we have? What things can we speak about that will lead others to I what I like to describe a place of curiosity, right? Because I believe curiosity is what begins change for people. Yep, right? Because you gotta be curious, you gotta be like, yo, uh, what am I missing? What am I not doing? And uh I I don't give people steps, I give people curiosity. I give people things to think about. Yeah, and uh, I feel like that is what has led me to be where I am today. Absolutely. And boom, here we are, 148 episodes in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right? Uh so today there is no plan. I don't know if you guys know this, but there's never really a plan for a conversation. Like uh, I've rarely, maybe in the beginning, because you know, a bunch of uh anxiety and a lot of uh worry about how good it was gonna sound, I would write down pages. Like I right now I'd have a notebook next to me, and it's like, all right, these are the topics that we can cover. We'll see which one sounds more interesting. And now it's just like, all right, you ready? I'm ready, let's talk.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So with that being said, what do we want to talk about, Trey? You as the guest, I'll let you open the door to the entry of a conversation, and we'll just go from there.
SPEAKER_00:Based off the introduction you just said, um, there was a word that stood out to me that is something that I've been maneuvering around, the word anxiety. Yeah. Um I deal with anxiety in so many different aspects of my life with growing my business, um, my relationship, growing in my faith, just every aspect of my life. There's little bits of anxiety that comes into it because the amount of pressure I put on myself. And um, so I think that's a great conversation we could talk about. How do you can maneuver through that when it comes to different aspects in your life? Through anxiety and anxiety, man.
SPEAKER_01:Um, well, do you want to go first? Because I I hate to be this guy, but I always have something at the top of my mind. So, like, I've read so much, I've studied so much like when it comes to like personal development that when I hear words like discipline, yeah, consistency, anxiety, depression, yeah, my mind shuffles through its library, stops at the anxiety section, and starts putting quotes and ideas in my head. Yep. And I hate it because you didn't even finish the sentence. And my mind's already like, oh, we're talking about anxiety today. Here's what we got. And I'm like, whoa, calm down, dude. Let him finish, man. Yeah. Um, so you go first. Yeah. Yeah. I want to give the listeners a different, a different taste, right? So like Miguel's here. I I I'm not monotone, but I typically keep the same level of excitement. Yeah. And uh, I'd love a fresh breath of air, which is what you are being in the room right now. So take not I don't want to say take the lead, but take take the lead.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Um you want me to start off like based off my experiences with my anxiety, or just how I how I maneuver through it.
SPEAKER_01:Tomato, tomato, dude, it's all value, right? So like uh it's here, I'll ask you a question, right? So like uh you clearly brought it up for a reason. Yeah, for sure. I'll never ask people to speak about their personal life on here because that's personal. But obviously, there's a reason why you brought it up. Yeah. So why was it brought up without the specifics, right? Because I'm sure there's things going on. For sure, for sure. You know, um, and is there a plan to handling it or have you been handling it as you go?
SPEAKER_00:Um, one of the biggest things that I've been working on is is just reading a little bit more about the different things. I'm currently reading a book by uh one of my favorite pastors, Stephen Cuss, called called Um Managing Leadership Anxiety. And um just trying to find different ways I can kind of maneuver through it. That's literally the name of that. That's literally the name of that. Managing leadership anxiety. Yeah, it's a phenomenal book. That's interesting. It's a phenomenal book, man. And um, I think my my anxiety, that big word anxiety, has grown more with my responsibilities growing more. Um, my gym's growing more, my faith is growing so much more, I'm leading so much more at my church, um, my relationship's growing, you know. Um, and I put so much pressure on myself with a lot of those different things, trying to be the best coach I can be for my clients, being the best trainer I can be for my clients, being the best boyfriend, the best leader I can be at my church, the best son, you know, all those different things, and it's so much comes with it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um that's kind of this what it is. Just so much pressure I put on myself and trying to figure out ways I can maneuver through it. Um, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Right? So, like, so I'll tell you what I see anxiety as. Anxiety is always present, and it's worse or better depending on perspective.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, without a doubt.
SPEAKER_01:Right? Because all the anxiety that you just mentioned is the anxiety from aiming at things that are pushing you to become better. Absolutely, right? Absolutely, but let's just say you didn't aim at anything, anxiety would be there reminding you of the passing of time, reminding you of your lack of effort, absolutely, reminding you all of that, right? So I've made a contract with anxiety, and I dude, I had one anxiety attack in my whole life, and I thought I was the the weakest human alive. I'm like, what is happening to me right now? But it was under a lot of stress at the moment. I was going through a uh uh a breakup, yep, and emotionally I was not where I am now. I was Fat Miguel at the time. So, like when when that dude was going through anxiety, anxiety showed up in the form of uh uh excessive abuse of substance more, like I was smoking more, um, um I was obviously eating more, you know. So it showed up in different ways, and I was never observing it and telling myself, like maybe we could be friends one day, anxiety, you know, and that's where I stand with it now, right? So, like uh anxiety now is a reminder that I'm doing something that's I wanted to, like it rarely is anxiety, so like my anxiety right now, um I don't know if this is a good a good time to to announce it. I don't it's not an announcement, but my anxiety lately is from the fact that I went from being an employee and I was comfortable, bro. Yep, I was super comfortable, you know what I mean? And now all of a sudden I'm I'm opening up a business and I wasn't in my plans. And then when I tell you every time you see me at the gym, you're like, yo, how you doing? I'm like, dude, I'm full of anxiety, but it's never like I'm full of anxiety, Trey. Yeah, man, this shit's oh, I'm stressed. It's like, yo, anxiety's there, but why is it there? Well, because you're doing something hard. Absolutely, you know, and with that understanding, me and anxiety now get along. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:That's a great perspective. Yeah, I I do a lot of self-talks with those things too now, man. It's it's so interesting. I'm like, man, it's I know you're there, but I'm not gonna allow you to control my emotions, you know, just maneuvering through that, you know. It's so interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Yo, I love that you said that because I I don't encourage it for people. I encourage it, just don't do it in public because you're gonna look a little fucking, you're gonna look a little crazy, right? But the conversations with yourself, man. You know, I I I it's Trey, Trey had I've you've heard me say this out loud before. But don't be weirded out if you're ever looking at me and out of nowhere you hear me say something like, no, no, no, don't say that.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, oh you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:And and nobody's around me, and you're like, wait, what did he just say? And that's a conversation with myself. Yeah, uh people, I don't know why. I don't know if it's frowned upon, maybe it's not normal. We all have conversations with ourselves, I'm sure we do, right? But not intentionally, and that's the difference. Yeah, right. That I feel like that's step one to becoming friends with your emotions, right? Yeah, and you have to have an intentional conversation, not a I'm angry, let's act on this anger, or I'm anxious, let's act on this anxiety. My anxiety, if I'm right, because that's the world, the world we live in today is, in my opinion, weaker because of that exact reason, right? Because an emotion arises and they can't confront it. They they need to, hey, I have anxiety, I can't come into work today, and I have an anxiety day, and it's just like, what the fuck? That's crazy. You know what I mean? As opposed to I'm angry, why am I angry?
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Why am I angry, right? Why am I full of anxiety? Yeah, why are my emotions out of control? And if you ask that question, and like my one of my favorite authors, Jordan Peterson, says, Don't just ask a question, throw it into the you know, the universe and walk away. Stay with the question. Yeah, stay with it long enough, you're gonna get an answer back. You know, and that answer comes in the form typically of it's your fault.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Which is why people don't wait that long. They're like, hey, I'm anxious, let's let's walk away, as opposed to like, oh, uh, here's a real realization. Imagine this. I'll I always speak for my example, right? Uh, a realization at 24. Man, I'm anxious and I'm angry all the time. This world sucks. And then I said, Man, why am I always angry? Oh, dude, this life sucks. And then that turned into, man, why am I always fucking angry? And then I started getting answers like, Well, dude, you're overweight, you don't have money, you're not ambitious, you're not doing anything, you're a complainer. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where did that come from? You know, and then I started working on those things, and that all stemmed from talking to myself. Yeah, you know, the way that I say it, if you've heard me say this before, how is how you talk to yourself when you are by yourself about yourself. But people don't do that. Yep, people don't want to uh purposely spend time alone. As Juliana, I've told Juliana when we first started dating, don't be weirded out if I ever tell you that I want to go on a walk alone. Yeah, don't be weirded out if you leave, like you know, when when she went to Summer Smash at first form and all those all those times where we've created distance between us. She's like, Did you miss me? And she's like, I'm like, of course I missed you. You're you're my now my you know you're now my wife. I miss you all the time, right? And she's like, Well, did you have a good time? And I'm like, I had the best time, I had the greatest time. And she's like, Well, what does that mean? And I'm like, Well, I love solitude with Miguel because it there is a version of me that only I know because it's me. It's it's my most authentic self. And with Juliana, I'm you know, probably a hundred percent there. I don't have to hide it, yeah, with you know, but with other people, the the different masks come on, the mask of the brother, the plumber, the speaker, the workout guy, the you know, there's all these different masks, you know. And with that approach, it it just allows me to show up as my most authentic self. You know, that doesn't happen until you start conversating with yourself because you gotta know you gotta know why you are. I uh that doesn't make sense when I said it out loud. But does that make sense? Yeah, like why you are and like uh it's like purpose, yeah. You know, I hate I hate to use that word because people are like, oh, but it's not that easy, and finding purpose finding purpose don't go together, exactly. Right, but creating purpose is a different conversation, right? So most people uh lack the courage to face that darker version of themselves, right? Because when I face Fat Miguel for the first time, he wasn't compliant, he was fighting me and he was winning. Yeah, you know, because Fit Miguel was not a thing at all, yeah, you know. So yeah, dude, all of that, see, I told you, you just say a sentence courage just going.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when I get in those situations where I have those what I call conversations with myself, it's like it's a form of prayer, you know, talking to God about those things. We talk about that all the time. And I think that's where it's gotten a lot better, just sitting down, talking to God, and it's like it's a relationship I'm having. Those conversations I'm having with myself. I'm able to be vulnerable and talk to God about those certain things, man. It's just it it gets it's it gets easier, I guess, you know. It's so interesting.
SPEAKER_01:And vulnerable is the perfect word because that's what it takes. It takes you setting when you have an honest conversation, especially one with God, right? The ego cannot be present. 100%. So it's usually a conversation of like uh pouring your emotions out without a barrier, yeah. You know, deciding what emotions you're pouring out, right? So like I I uh for me that presents itself in the form of like the beginning of 75 hard, um uh the beginning of prep when we were in prep. And it I remember those conversations uh uh towards the end of prep. I remember I was on a walk and I was al I was alone and it was it was just a walk, no music, nothing, just a convers uh just uh a lonely walk. And from that walk, I started talking, and I started talking to another person, right? And I was like, I was like, I was like, dude, here we go again, man. And I told I was talking to Fat Miguel specifically at a point, and I'm like, dude, look at how you feel right now. And to some people that's like that's fucking weird. Like, what do you what do you mean by that, right? But it's it's the conversations most people don't want to have with each other, right? So like I didn't know if anybody was listening, but I knew that by the end of those conversations, I felt better, right? And and Fat Miguel received the message, yeah, right. So now people laugh when I say I give that dude permission, yeah. And that's a very that's a very specific word, right? Permission. I give him permission to exist. And what does that mean? It means that when I know, excuse me, that I have to get dialed in, yeah, I have to talk to him and I have to say, hey bro, we've done it again. Look at us, muffin tops back, I don't feel so good. You've been slacking a little, man. Like I need you to go back in the house, uh that you're locked up again for a little while. And he's a little reluctant at first, you know, but eventually, yeah, it it comes from that. And as I go, I go from the conversations of like here we go again, man. Oh man, this sucks. I've been here before. To then the conversations of like, oh dude, momentum's flowing, dude, momentum's building. Yeah, to then like, oh dude, this is what I've been waiting for. I'm here again, and then I'm here again, and I'm just like, I don't want to go back again. You know, that those are conversations, you know, as you put it, like with God that I have, and and uh uh we can jump into that conversation if you want to. Yeah, we can we can we can dive in that a little bit. Um but yeah, it it it's it's changed it's changed tremendously. And maybe let's see, time allotted. We'll we'll engage in this conversation. Uh we I might title it part one.
SPEAKER_00:Because it's got some boot to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. So uh introduce the conversation, please.
SPEAKER_00:Where do you want to go with this conversation?
SPEAKER_01:Any anywhere. Um any entry point for me is a good point. Okay, and then we'll we'll die, you know, divest from that.
SPEAKER_00:Like, what is a relationship with God look like? Because I feel like that's something we both can relate to, you know. Um we we both know where we stand when it comes to just faith, and you know, where I stand with being a Christian, a follower of God. Um what what does it look like for a relationship with God to you? What does that look like to you?
SPEAKER_01:What does well well why do you ask that question, right? And this is for the listeners, right? Because the listeners don't know me as well as you do. Yeah. Right? And uh so for the listeners, I'll I'll tell you this fat Miguel in the beginning, so like 21, 22, 23-year-old Miguel, atheist. Yeah. I was cursing the world, I was cursing God. I was against everything. I didn't believe in anything. And then as life progressed and I started becoming better and like and looked into personal development, I started believing, not necessarily in God, but believing in something.
SPEAKER_00:A higher power.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and then for it wasn't even a higher power. I was just like, you know, it kind of doesn't make sense. Like, what if we are in a cubicle right now, like in a little cube, and and we are nothing, you know, which is a a science experiment in somebody's desk. That's a curiosity I talk about, right? So it to some people it sounds like a stupid question, but I believe everything can be questioned. Absolutely, you know, it's how it's how you get smarter, you have to question some shit, you know, and then uh uh I started doing this weird thing where I started looking for signs. I I I that's exactly how I worded it, you know, and I've told you this before. I started looking for signs. I'm just like, I'm just like, yo, just give me a sign. And when I would say that, yeah, I wasn't talking to anybody. In my head, I wasn't picturing God, I wasn't picturing anything. I was just like, universe, dude, if I'm doing something right, give me a sign. And I would always get signs, which gave me evidence of someone listening, if that makes sense. 100%. Right? So then I told myself, like, uh, I keep saying universe, but what do you mean by universe? And then I'm like, the universe could mean the same thing as God. Like, I just believe in that, you know? And and I'll leave it at that, and then we can build upon what you asked me. Would you so what would you ask me? Because now the listeners know where I stood, yeah, yeah, and where I've headed, yeah, and then I'll explain to where I'm at. So you said where what does a relationship with God look like to you? That's my boy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So but you see how interesting that is from you to go from the the early 20s, Miguel, to ah, you know, God, you know what I mean? Atheist, F the world, F that. Now that's my dog now. You know what I mean? That's my homie, you know? It's so interesting. Yeah, and we've had this conversation now for three years about this, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So go ahead and it's and it's progressed. Yeah, it's progressed so much, man. Um but what do I view it as? Like what what it what is it?
SPEAKER_00:What is your relationship with God look like now?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, oh, so my relationship with God now looks like the form of a contract. Right? I I've I've accepted this gift.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Oof.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And the gift I call life. Right. So like I've I've I've accepted it. And the God, right? I hate to say that. God that I speak, that that doesn't make sense, right? Right, but what I believe in hasn't given me any form of evidence that there is an afterlife. You get what I'm saying? A hundred percent. I get it. It what I believe in, like I'm hoping there's a happily ever after, but we just don't know. Okay. So my logical mind speaking to God then switches its focus to what can I appreciate. And what I can appreciate is where I am now, yeah with what I have now and with who I am now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And with that, I started talking to God, and I'm just like, okay, well, you watched me become fat Miguel. Uh gave me opportunities that maybe I didn't see at the time because I was full-blown cursing the world. Yeah. You know? And I'm like, and now just seven years later, I'm like in the exact opposite position. And I don't think it I don't think it coincidental because I'm very intentional. Yeah. But time and time again, I've made most of my life empty promises. I you know, I grew up Christian. Like, dude, I'd like I was I I think I was full-blown atheist because like God and and Jesus Christ and all that was just forced down my throat as a child, dude. Like I said for most people. Hey Miguel, get dressed. For what, Mom? We're going to church. It's Wednesday, Mom. It's Bible study, Miguel. You need to blah blah blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm just like, yeah, you know, so many people were forced out of religion because it's forced on them at a young age. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, and by the as soon as I'll never forget, I think it was age 16, where I was like, I'd rather get hit than go to church. And and that's when I started saying no. And my mom wasn't beating my ass, but like, you know, at age 16, she realized beating my ass wasn't working anyways. So that's when she started taking my goods, the Xbox and all of that. Yeah. You know, um, so to to to go from that, you know, to to where I am now, I had to, it's almost like I had to find my own definition of of what God meant to me. Yeah. And uh the definition that I got to was an observer of my actions who guides me but never interferes with my actions. Does that make sense? That makes so much. So he's watching me, but he's he's not telling me go left or go right. He's just like, like, it was almost like he's rooting for me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And every day that I wake up and I choose the good decisions, he's like, Yeah. You get what I'm saying? And I know when I'm not doing good, because when I check in once in a while with myself, which is a conversation with God, right? Because I do believe in uh we are a piece of him, right? Yeah. So therefore, when you talk to yourself, you are talking to God. When I talk to myself, and the conversation's like, You've been slacking, man. You know what you should have been doing. You're more aware of those conversations. When I see that, that's that's God in my in my imagination, that's God like nudging me back on path. You get what I'm saying? Like pushing me.
SPEAKER_00:That's all it is, man. That's how it is for everyone in that walk in their faith, man. Oh, that's so interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's like that's does that make sense? That's why it's so like Trey Trey will ask me like uh I I I guess I don't have a specific question in mind, but you always ask me questions in reference to like my faith. Yeah. And and I just say things like it's because it sounds like a joke, but now that we're having a conversation, you kind of understand, right? I always say, Oh, me and the man upstairs, we got it, we got it good. That's my boy. Yep, you know, to some people they're like, dude, how could you talk, you know, about God like that? That's God. And I'm just like, dude.
SPEAKER_00:That's where people have Christianity wrong. Because Christianity is oh, that word religion, all that stuff. It's it's there's there's so uh let me just Christianity is a relationship with you and God. That's all it is. Christianity is a relationship with you and God. That's all it is. Um, people always mistake those two things when it comes to Christianity, being Catholic. That's you know, you and God. That's your boy, that's your relationship. Me and God, that's the exact same. I talk that's my homie. Yeah, that's that's my dog. Man, always there for me. When I'm when I feel like I'm going off track, I know he's nudging me back right on track, just like you said. It's the exact same way. Um, but that's so good, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, that's why I tell people like it sounds disrespectful, but I tell people like, I don't care what you believe in. Yeah, I really don't. Like you could praise Allah, Gandhi. I don't care what you worship, really. Uh, but if what you are worshiping is leading you to emotions of hate and anger towards others, you're worshiping the wrong per the wrong thing, right? Because like what I what I don't I don't worship anything, right? But the the God that I believe in has told me, right, uh, based off the conversations I've had, he's told me that as long as the goals that I've set for myself are not hindering or impeding the growth of another person, continue on your path. So I know that my existence is not harming people, it's not bringing bad upon people, it's not doing any of that. So at the end of the day, whatever God I'm believing in isn't leading me to a place where I'm just like, you know, fuck these people or fuck that religion. They don't believe in that. That's why I always tell people, like, when they get defensive, especially like against like my beliefs, yeah. I'm just like, listen, I'm not telling you that what your belief is wrong, but if your belief is telling you that I'm a bad person, well, that's crazy because my God hasn't said that about you. You get what I'm saying? I'm like, so you should check in with yours because why is he making you mad at me? Yeah, you get what I'm saying? But that's a mature conversation most people can't handle because religion today is treated like a sport.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01:You know, so like and I don't even watch sports for this very reason, right? Because some people take the sport thing so serious that if you're just on the other team, they're blinded to the fact that you could be a good person.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, that's the same thing with like politics, though. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's why I don't get so involved in politics. It's the same thing.
SPEAKER_01:But dude, I'm not in anybody's team. I'm in my own team and I want everybody to do good. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then I watch and observe and I see there's evil in the world, but that's just part of life. You can't have the good without the bad.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, but the reason why you're so good at dissecting that is because your growth in those things. Yeah. So that's oh, that's so cool. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So good.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah. What other questions you got?
SPEAKER_00:What about my homie Jesus?
SPEAKER_01:What about him? I knew he was gonna bring this up. All right, thank you for being here, guys. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, um, oh, so this is where it will get interesting. Yeah, and maybe this this this maybe this will uh bring different conversations from other people because it'll be interesting, right? So I've built enough of my character to not worry about the judgment of others. I'm not a bad dude. Right? And that's not egotistically speaking. That's just like, yo, I promise you, I'm not bewitching anybody, I'm not praying to downfall on anybody, even people who have hurt me. I'm just like, yo, listen, I believe in the rule of like I want you to eat. Yeah, get a big table with the people you love around you. That's not my table. Get away from it. 100%. You know what I'm saying? So I do believe in that, you know. So all of that to say that the conversation about to happen, don't judge me. All right, don't judge me. But again, um belief is a belief, yeah, right? A belief is a belief and it's individual. Yeah, that's why some people believe the wrong things and they walk down the wrong path, right? But I'm a big believer in what I can prove is fact. Okay. Right? I was gonna say see, but that doesn't make sense because I haven't seen God. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Right? So it's not what I've seen. And uh I, as we just obviously just spoke for a little while about talk to God, believe in God. You know, I tell you, like when you say, hey dude, when when you gonna come to church? And I'm like, I go to church every day, Trey. You know what I mean? I mean that because every every day I wake up, absolutely, and in my morning, right before my morning messages, after the morning message, I'm always there's always a conversation that's like, all right, dude, you've another day, you're here. Like, what are you gonna do with it? Checking in with myself, you know. To me, that's church. Yeah, I talk 100%. Um and over the last seven years, in me getting better uh and conversating with God, right? I've I've gained evidence of growth and all of that. Yeah. Right. And now now we might get into the specifics, yeah, right. But the the Jesus part, right? When people are like, oh, his son came down, yeah, you know, again. And he's coming back. And he's coming back, right? So like that's the faith I was raised in. So that's the the I was raised in that belief. And I was a uh Protestant? Protestant? Is that how you say it? Yeah, Protestant. Christian. You know, so I I grew up in the Jesus Christ and and he came and all that. But as I got older, yeah, again, I that curiosity just led me to so many places. Yeah, and and the place that I kept hitting uh uh what is the word that I'm looking for? The place that I kept running into a wall in was the the the you know, I'm a factual guy, yeah. I'm just like, okay, like we landed on the moon, show me the proof, and now they got these shitty videos that you watch today, and you're just like, we never have been to the moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no way. Yeah, you get what I'm saying? 100%. So for me as an individual, God all day. I believe in that, right? I I speak to him, I ask for signs, I've received the signs, you know, I look for the lessons in the everyday. Now, when it comes to this Jesus Christ part, right? I I just I just can't accept that. It's harder to wrap your mind around things like that. Yes, because it's like I'll tell you a conversation I had with my mom. My mom's like, Oh, because this is this is years ago. This is with Fat Miguel, yeah. So I was atheist at the time. So this wasn't a conversation, this was an argument. Yeah, yeah. And she was telling me that they found Noah's Ark. And I'm like, Where did they find Noah's Ark? And she's like, at the top of Mount Everest. And I'm like, uh really? And she's like, well, yeah, Miguel, the flood, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay. Right? So I I just went on Google and I read two or three articles, and two of the three said it was a hoax, it was a fake, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, all right, I'm not gonna feed into this conversation, you know, because I could see at that point I was already kind of reading it, and I'm like, clearly, your belief is so strong that you're getting angry at me for not believing in it. So just believe what you want. Absolutely. And then I just let it let it be at that. Absolutely. So then as I get older, as I got older, it just I kept going back to that conversation. Cause I, you know, I asked myself, like, man, I don't go to church. Am I a piece of shit?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:Like, man, I don't I don't get on my knees and put my hands together and look up to the sky. I don't listen to worshiping music. I don't listen to all that. And I'm like, am I going to hell? And then, but then my mind, as curious as it is, is like, is hell even real? What if hell is right where you are? And the people who are in heaven are the people who can make heaven in hell, and that's the challenge in itself. You know what I mean? Imagine we die, and after we die, we're just in front of God, and He's like, Hey, the challenge was to live a prosperous life, and you let that go to waste. So, guess what? You're going back, and you're like, What do you mean going back? And then like you're going back and you're gonna try again, and you're like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You get what I'm saying? But if you do good, he's like, You're in you're in heaven, you don't gotta go through hell again. Right? Does that sound far-fetched? That's a perspective. Exactly. That's a perspective. Exactly, yeah, and that's how I approach everything. Yeah, for sure. So when people are like this guy, right? And that might be hurting some people's feelings, right? But this guy came and was performing miracles, yeah, and was making, you know, wine out of water and was water. You get what I'm saying? And and was uh, no, it's wine out of water. He was making wine out of water or water out of wine. No, he was making wine.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Listen, I'm not the the the the religious guy here, but um um those things are just it's just one of those things that is like, okay, so you sent your son, right? And we we we we did that dude wrong, right? And he carried all the sins with us. Yeah. He carried all the sins for us and he took it, right? And now we are forever forgiven, right? I just question that in so many ways. Yeah. One, the physical aspects of it, right? There's a guy who can just perform miracles like that, showed up once, yeah, we fucked him up, and then he's like, I'm not coming back. And then when I do, it's because it's too late. You guys messed up. You get what I'm saying? In my head, I'm just like, what? I'm like, first of all, we need those miracles now, more than ever. You get what I'm saying? But now it gets into that that tricky part where it's like uh, oh, but you I thought you said God doesn't interfere. And I'm like, I exactly. Yeah, you know, that's what I don't believe in. So if I believe that God doesn't interfere, why would he send his son to send the message? You get what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00:I got what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? Yeah, and then when I tell people, I'm like, listen, I just can't you just you can't prove it to me. So now because you can't prove it to me, it's not a right or wrong aspect of it. Now it's a belief against belief. And like I said, I don't think you're wrong. Yeah, I want you to be right, but I also understand that I don't have to believe in that either. 100% so I got as far as gotten. Yeah, and that's you know what I mean. That in itself is gross because there's that evidence, right? But the individual character of a man being born here as a human being who walked this earth, that's hard. That's hard. You get what I'm saying? But I also never disrespect it. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, like I mean that's why I love and respect the conversation.
SPEAKER_01:Because I mean I I do make light humor of it sometimes. Yeah, like like Juliana would be like, Jesus Christ, and I'm like, who? You know what I'm saying? And this is just uh uh uh a fun, but I would never diminish you. Obviously, you're one of you're like a brother to me. You know what I mean? I would never look at you different because I'm like, what are you, an idiot tree? You really think because look, this is where the ignorance comes in, right? And this is where the sports energy starts coming in. Imagine if I was defensive about it. I don't have proof that he wasn't here, yeah. Just like you don't have proof that he was here, but imagine I was so stuck on it that I'm like, Trey, you really think there was a guy here walking on water? Come on, man, you gotta be smarter than that. You're a dumbass. Yeah, and now we're not even friends, and it's just like neither of us can prove anything. Yeah, and it's like, why would you do waste such a thing? Yeah, so instead, I've matured enough to my perspective of like what Trey believes in has led him to be a great character, a good human being. Yeah, so let him keep believing in that, and you're affecting people for sure, and you're part of a community. Yeah, I've met the pastor, yeah. You know, I know Randy and everything. Good human being. Yeah, I would never be like, man, Randy, you'd be so much better if you didn't believe in that Jesus, dude. You get what I'm saying? I would never, that would never come out of my mouth. Yeah, but maybe I'm I'm it's not hard-headedness, but like at this point, yeah, Christ himself would have to appear in front of me and be like, You fucked up, Miguel. And I'm gonna be like, damn. And I've told you that before, right? Because we've had these conversations with Trey. Trey has asked me, like, what if you're wrong? Yeah, and very proudly, not egotistically, I can say then I'll deal with the consequences. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, but and I respect you a lot for those things, you know? And I've even with my faith, I know. For that coffee, and there's no coffee in there. I never push religion down anybody's throat. All I do is ever share just my testimony and my experiences. Yeah. Based off all the things you said prior about God Himself, I just say, just think about how much power God has. You don't think he got just enough power to just do that too? And that's and I just leave it there, you know what I mean? So just based off my testimony, just from the experiences I have in my life, just where I'll give you a quick testimony. You know the story. I've shared this on the podcast multiple times. The the day my faith really, I started taking my faith really serious was the day my old gym go to close down. The gym closed down, and I remember the first time I really just had a one-on-one conversation with God. I was like, God, why does like literally, why does bad things happen to such an amazing person like Bob? My my old owner, one of my best friends, so when I viewed as a father figure, why did something like him, something like that happen to such a great person? Yeah, and I prayed something good has to come out of this and I prayed so hard. Yeah, and I said, There's no way something like this could happen to Bob. Yeah, and long story short, we built legacy, you know. So there's something, something's good had has come out of such a bad situation. Yeah, and but a long story short, that that's just my testimony. That's my experience of with just that, and that's where my faith has grown, and my life has changed since I've started taking this deep dive into my faith and started living it, you know what I mean? Yeah, so that's that's kind of what it is. But back to that, I I never force religion down anybody. So I love these conversations where it's like, what's the thing?
SPEAKER_01:You know, these are my favorite conversations. Because, like, here's what I I'll I'll give you, these are great conversations, right? Because like, based off what you just said, right? Uh I've read, imagine reading books on psychology and how the mind works, right? And getting to the end of this book, um, how to own your own mind, yeah. Uh thinking grow rich. Yeah. And at the end of each of those books is the chapter. One of them is for certain called this, the other one is called something different. But um it says, uh, oh, don't don't slip my mind. Oh, it says chap chapter 20 something, for example. Is that one of the last chapters? And it says the power of prayer. And here I was at the time, like I didn't believe in anything, and I'm just like, prayer. The fuck? What does that mean? Yeah. And I and I was like, Well, I'm reading the book, yeah, I gotta finish it. Yeah, and as I'm reading that, I'm like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, and then I see it, right? Because the book was emphasizing on like um uh prayer is is meant to keep the connection between you and the maker alive.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01:Um and then it started emphasizing, it started belitting human beings, and I'm just like, yo, whoa, whoa, where is this going? Because now I'm just like, yeah, yeah, you know, because I was you know angry me at the time. And then it says, it's funny that uh God isn't sought out or Jesus Christ isn't, you know, prayed to until things go bad. Yeah, where are the prayers of appreciation? Where are the prayers of thank you, God? Yeah, and I read that and I felt like a fucking idiot. Why did I feel like an idiot? Because the only time growing up that I got on my knees, the only time that I looked up to the sky after talking all that shit and saying like please God, yeah, it was always when it was going bad. Yes, it was always when things were going bad. So then I observed that and now I'm an adult. Now I'm I'm not atheist anymore. Now I'm curious, and I'm just like, what if I just no longer blame anything on God? Yeah, what if it's it's all my fault and I'm fully responsible and He's just guiding me. Yeah, He's not responsible for the good or the bad. Yeah. So Leo died. Thank you, God, for the time you gave him in my life. You know, my appendix went and I almost died. Emergency surgery. Thank you, God, because that could have been so much bad. You get what I'm saying? Uh uh, I can think of so many other scenarios. You know what I'm saying? Like uh car accidents, you know. Oh I I just got laid off, you know, a few months ago. And I didn't say, God, I just got married. God, I thought this was the chapter of growth, God.
SPEAKER_00:And all out of all those things, none of that something came after all those things messed up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I and I not once even questioned it. I never one question God on why things are happening. I instead I was always like, Oh, I don't know what you got planned, but clearly I wasn't meant to stay here. Yep you get what I'm saying? So now I'm at a point where most people that I meet that are quote unquote religious or deep into it, yeah, are emotionally out of control. Yeah, only talk to God when is uh convenient for them, uh only talk to others about God when they feel Like they're doing better than them. You get what I'm saying? It's never, it's rarely genuine. I I've never it's rare, and I don't even go to church. You get what I'm saying? But I observed these things, you know, just like the the video you sent me yesterday or a few days ago. I didn't even I finished the video, but before I finished the video, it went from you know, my wife passed away, and I said, God, why? Why would you do this to me? Yeah, you couldn't take a raper, you couldn't take a child molester, you took my wife, yeah, and then he proceeded to say, I'm a pastor. And I'm just like, Whoa, what? You're a pastor? So you've made it to what I would consider damn near one of the top positions in the in the community of God, I got what you're saying. Right, where you are in charge of spreading his message, yeah, and you lost control over you blamed God for something like that. You get what I'm saying? I found that so interesting. So fascinating. And I'm like, and that's a pastor. Yeah, imagine just a regular person who says, like, you know, because uh people will say stupid, and I consider this stupid, right? We'll say stupid things like this, especially in this time of year, as we get closer to the new year. God, I promise if you're with me this year, I will be better, I will make better decisions. And it's like, Wait, why does God need to be with you for that? Why why do you think that God was absent during your times of making stupid decisions? How do you know he wasn't watching the whole time, watching you be an idiot? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So people, it's like, oh, now is the time for positive change. Let me check in with God. And it's like, it doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So that's where I stand with it. So like obviously, I believe in a higher power and God itself. Yeah, I'm just reluctant to not believe in things that I haven't seen or can't be proven yet. Yeah, right. And I've told you before, I hope you're right, Trey, right? But then, oh, I'll say this out, I'll say this out loud. This we got five minutes, right? We might have to put a part two of this, right? Um, um, it's uh how do I say this without without letting it slip my mind? It's uh it's that that thing slipped my mind. It was definitely obviously religious related. I don't remember. I don't remember. It was controversial, I know that much. It was something with Jesus Christ. I hope it comes back. I hope it comes back, it will come back, it always does. Uh but yeah, yeah, I don't that's where that's my position and where I stand, right? So like I don't think I don't think I don't think my beliefs oh it came back. Right? So I've I I I love how my mind works. I used to say things like I forgot, I don't say that anymore. And I say it will it will come back and it always does. So I've told you this before, and then we'll leave it at this because this makes for an interesting ending, right? Uh when people paint uh uh a picture of heaven for me, yeah, right, it sounds boring. It always has sounded boring. What's heaven look like to you? Well, everybody you love is there, and there is no sickness, there is no evil, everything's great, and I'm just like where's the excitement in that? You know what I'm saying? Because observe this, Trey. Yeah, this is where you have to think these thoughts. The reason I appreciate life so much is because I know it's not eternal. Yeah, I know that, God forbid, oh, I can wake up tomorrow and Juliana's gone. I know that you can leave today, get in a car accident, Trey's gone. So, therefore, in your presence and Juliana's presence, and the people in my life, when you're in front of me, I appreciate always 100%. Right? Because imagine this world. If there was no death, imagine if there was no sickness, we are just born, and after we are born, we just exist. If you're homeless, it doesn't matter. You're not starving. Uh if you're if you're without clothes, it doesn't matter. There is no cold or hot, it's just perfect. Yeah. What's the purpose of that life? You get what I'm saying? Like that's that's there. What makes this life so exciting is the possibility of failure, the possibility of death, the possibility of looking dumb, the possibility of losing it all and having to start over. That's what makes this exciting. If I woke up and everything I needed was already there, I don't need money, I don't need food, I don't need clothes. Everybody I love is here, and guess what? They're not dying. I don't gotta do anything. I just gotta open my eyes and go on about the day, and eventually that gets boring, right? That's my perspective.
SPEAKER_00:So when people that's a totally different perspective, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So when people are like, I'm like, I'm like, what do you see in heaven? Yeah. Again, everybody you love, there's no signatures, there's no health, and I'm like, and what Bible study in the morning, praising the Lord in the afternoon, you know, what are you doing? You get what I'm saying? So to me, I see that and I'm like, nah, that can't be heaven. That sounds so boring, right? The only thing I've created in my mind that may uh heaven, quote unquote, sound exciting is the library of truth. Remember, I've told you about that. Yeah. I'm like, there has to be a place in the afterlife where if God is real, he's documented everything. Because He's He knows everything, He's omnipresent. And there is no lies in that library. So, who was in the Epstein's files? We know it's here, right? Uh what happened during you know the 1900s, it doesn't matter. We have it all. That I'd be in that library all day. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but and then again, everything I just said is strictly imagination. A thousand percent, right? Yeah, but such an imagination is the reason why I am the way that I am. 100%. Because I'm just like, yo, if if if that's not real, and if it is, I don't want to be a part of it because that's boring as a motherfucker, you know. I need to appreciate this while I'm here, yeah. Right. And then um, again, the week we this could definitely go into different different sections, but uh a different perspective, right? So then the reason I entertain the perspective of this is hell, and the test is how good you can operate in hell, um is because of the book, How to Ruin Your Uh No. Um Outwitting the Devil. And and it's uh uh I I've spoken about this book many, many, many, many, many times, but the book is in in um interview form, and um and the author is interviewing the devil, and he's asking the devil all the questions we as humans have. Yeah, you know what I mean? And again, if I don't believe in Christ, I'm probably not believing in the devil, but you get what I'm saying. Like I I just believe in good and evil, and it's to to put it in very basic standards. And and when he asked the devil, um uh basically the questions of like what what what do you implement into people's lives to make them fail? Like, what what do you do? And he's like, Well, you know, I give them I give them the illusion that there is a heaven that's nice and white and bright and beautiful and no sickness. He's like, when in reality, the this is the devil speaking, he's like, the people I despise most are the people who are created and in the creation find God. He's like, those are the people that as they walk through the crowds, the demons can't can't get to them. Right? He's like, those are the ones I despise the most. And he's like, and how do you know that those are the people? And and it's just a good human being, like it's not even like a pastor and the guy who's throwing holy water on people. No, it's literally just the person who isn't entertaining conversations about drama and gossip, the person who isn't wishing bad, yeah, the person who he like the devil says, he's like, Oh, I've infiltrated the food industry, and the food that the people mostly eat is contaminated and it's not good for them, and over a long period of time their body would deteriorate and they'll wonder why. And the whole time God is giving you healthy food, you get what I'm saying? So that perspective, because as curious as I am, always took me to a place where I'm like, yo, that's a possibility too. And if that's a possibility, then oh my god, from 24 and younger, I was in hell, yeah. And I was in heaven at the same time, but because of who I chose to be, kept me in hell. That's a really fascinating perspective, you know, and then that curiosity opened the door that I was at the end of the hallway, and I'm like, I've never seen that door before. And God was like, just walk towards it, dude. And then I opened it, and I was like, yo, what is this? And what that was was a positive conversation, yeah. Feeding my body healthier things, uh, separating myself from hate and envy and jealousy and things that we can all do. You get what I'm saying? Uh, and that that's why I'm so that's why I don't shy away, right? Atheist Miguel wouldn't have this conversation with you because I couldn't explain my thoughts. Yeah, I just knew I was angry, yeah, and if God was real, he ain't shit. That's what I told myself. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So when you would be like, Why don't you believe in God? I would just say, Well, look at my life, dude. Yeah, if God is real and this is what I'm going through, this is what my mother went through, this is what my friends are going through, that's fucked up, dude. That's a bad God. Right now I'm at a point where I'm just like, oh man, like God is there, and he's just waiting for you kind of to reach out to him and not just reach out to him, most importantly, with empty promises, because that's what I did my whole life. God, I need you now, I promise, and then shit will get good again. And then what I said I promised I wouldn't do anymore. There I was doing it again, and God is like, uh, I'll come back to this dude later. You know? So, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I can't wait for this this part two of this conversation. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, well, tell you what, I ask, we'll leave it at that. Ask a question, and I'm not answering the question. But then that means you gotta be here next week.
SPEAKER_02:Ask a question.
SPEAKER_01:Like you have to be here next week. Because if not, there's gonna be a gap between the episodes, which which kind of doesn't matter. I do what I want.
SPEAKER_00:I gotta think of a good question. Then you put me on the spot. I gotta think of one.
SPEAKER_01:I got a question for you. You don't even have to Don't answer this question.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Based off the conversation that we just had, yeah. Do you still think you need to pray for me as much as you thought you did? Ooh, can I answer that now? Nope. The reason I say this is because uh me and com me and Trey has had conversations like this like multiple times. Yeah. And Trey will always always sometimes, because obviously off mic, I'm a little bit more blunt. Yeah. Like I like we all have a real side of us, and like I'm not a bad person, but when I'm in the privacy of my friends and family, I can uh turn off the speaker meat a little bit more. And sometimes I say something out of pocket, and Trey will be like, dude, I pray for you so much. And every time you say that, I chuckle because I'm just like, Dog, me and the man are good. You know what I'm saying? So, based off this conversation, do you still feel like you need to pray? Don't answer it. That you need to pray for me. So uh with that being said, let's wrap it up, man. Let's wrap it up. This is part one. I think this is I haven't done a part two episode in so long, dude. This is nice. Yeah, but I knew this would happen. Yeah, we could bring more people in for part two. I have a phenomenal idea.
SPEAKER_00:I have a phenomenal idea for part two.
SPEAKER_01:I have uh I'm not gonna say it. No, I have a person in mind. No, that's it. But with that being said, uh I thank you for being here.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, thank you for having me, man. I absolutely love these conversations. I love being able to have a conversation about something I'm extremely passionate about and something that you've grown in and gotten so passionate about, where it's just no, there's no arguing. It's just you saying your perspective, me saying my perspective, and there's conversating. Yeah, you know, because like you said, at the end of the day, we won't know until we know. Exactly. You know what I mean? And that's the beauty of it. Yeah. Um, but we're both living a life of just being good people. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, you know, just bro, if you look at how we live our lives, yeah, we practice a lot of the same values. Absolutely. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, dude, you should be a pastor. And I've told you, I've heard, dude, the things you speak about are in the Bible, like all the things you speak about. And I'm just like, yeah, but if I become, let's just say I grabbed the title pastor. Yeah. Because of that title, I now have to mention Jesus Christ. Which I don't believe in. So you get what I'm saying? So now it's uh boom, that's a good ending right there. So so with that being said, guys, obviously this was uh a little longer than expected, but that's what happens, man, when when these conversations are not planned, they're not scripted. I I wasn't even sure if we were gonna talk about the religion aspect of it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, because this is a conversation that we we weren't meant to have sooner than today. I hope you know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was like be who I've become in the last year, like not in the last seven, just the last year has allowed me to be able to paint and speak so well the things that I believe in without getting offensive and or throwing indirect shade your way about your beliefs. Because before I would get offended, and now it's not a conversation, yeah, and now it's just us getting mad at each other, and it's just like, yeah, that does what's the point of that? Yeah, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_00:So before we even do go, just think about the first time we had this conversation three to four years ago, yeah. Where we are now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't I can't even remember what that was like.
SPEAKER_00:It was different, it was different. It had to be different, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Had to be different because I was different. Yeah, you know what I mean? So uh that being said, thank you guys for being here. Uh we went from like I thought this was gonna be a 30-minute episode, it's almost an hour. Uh, but like I was saying, understand something. If there's I hope you don't listen to this episode and like, oh, this is a a religious episode. Because if that's what you get out of this, you didn't listen at all at all, right? Because this is a conversation that I believe should have should be had more often between between friends and people you value, right? Uh because oh, dude, I I gotta stop talking because my mind is just giving me more things to want to speak about, right? Um, before we leave, for example, right? Because I want you to think about this before the next time. Yeah, there was a point where we met where you believed in God and Jesus Christ, but you weren't confident enough to speak his name out loud.
SPEAKER_00:100%. Oh, that's so good.
SPEAKER_01:And ironically, who called you out on it? You did. Me, the guy who doesn't believe on Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00:And I thought about that in the conversation. Yeah. Do you remember? Yeah, we'll leave it at that. Oh, this is so exciting. Oh, I remember that conversation. I got so much. I remember too. I was waiting. Wait a minute, Trey. I just yeah, that you were another, but oh man, you were a reason why I grow into my faith more because you challenged me in that aspect. It's like, why are you not more passionate about this? If this, as you call it in quotation work, if this God is someone you're so passionate about, why are you not why are you not talking about it? Yeah, be more proud about it. So and that's kind of where it starts.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were definitely gonna continue this. Um, I I typically say, I hope you got value. There was value here, it's about uh leading yourself to a place of curiosity. Um, beliefs are the very reason why as an individual you grow or you don't. And that doesn't matter uh about religion, skin color, where you're from. If you believe that the world is against you, then God, Buddha, Allah, the universe, whatever you believe in, is gonna make sure that what you believe in is what you are experiencing. And whatever you believe in is just that. So if you tell yourself, I can't, life is hard, everything's against me, as opposed to the individual who says life is hard, but I'm here for a reason. Things may be difficult, but I'm getting better. It's it's the same problems and it's a different attitude, approached with a different belief that has led me and Trey and the people that we've surrounded ourselves with to always get better. Like you've you imagine Trey was here, we haven't had Trey on in forever, and I'm like, What's up, Trey? And he's like, uh, you know, same mode, same mode. I'd be like, Well, the hell are you here? You get what I'm saying? But it's always a progression, we're always maturing, we're always gaining experience, and we sit here and share that with you because now we're at it at a point in our lives where a lot of changes are happening, yeah, where we can't see the end in sight. And we're putting a lot of our decisions on the faith and the belief that things are going to work out. Yeah. And imagine if we had the faith and belief that they weren't. Uh, we probably wouldn't be here having these conversations. So with that being said, thank you for being here. I hope you enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed recording it, and we'll see you next week.
