Understanding Shut Down— Depression and Your Body’s Protective Disconnection (Part 4)

Shut down is your nervous system's most protective response. If you've ever felt heavy, numb, and completely disconnected from life—like you're moving through a thick fog with no energy or motivation—you've likely experienced a nervous system state called "shutdown." This episode offers a deeply compassionate guide to understanding this protective state and provides a roadmap of gentle, micro-steps to help you slowly and safely reconnect with yourself and the world.

*This episode serves as Part 4 in our "Different States Series"

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why shutdown happens, from chronic burnout and overwhelm to unresolved grief and past trauma.
• How to understand shutdown from a "parts work" perspective, seeing it as a protector trying to keep you from feeling more pain.
• A toolkit of gentle, sensory-based practices to slowly reawaken your system without causing more stress.
• Why patience is one of the most crucial tools when working with this state.

3 Takeaways:

1. Shutdown is protection, not pathology.
2. Gentle presence is more powerful than forced productivity. In shutdown, your system needs safety and patience, not more pressure. 
3. Address the overwhelm, not just the symptoms. If shutdown is a pattern, it's often telling you something important about your life circumstances, past experiences, or internal dynamics.

Tools/Resources for shut down:

• Gentle Sensation & Warmth: Hold a warm mug of tea or a heating pad, wrap yourself in a soft blanket, feel the texture of a piece of fabric, feel your feet on the floor.
• Gentle Breath & Sound: Make soft humming sounds or quiet "ahh" or "ohh" sounds that you can feel vibrating in your chest, listen to slow and comforting music or nature sounds.
• Orienting & Vision Resets: Slowly look around the room, gently turn your head from side to side, let your gaze soften and rest on something neutral or comforting.
• Micro-Movement: Wiggle your fingers and toes, gently roll your shoulders or circle your wrists, sway slowly while seated, stand near a window for a moment.
• Symbolic or Actual Connection: Text a safe person (no conversation needed), pet an animal or tend to a plant, look at a photo of someone you love, watch a familiar and comforting show.
• Voice & Self-Talk: Whisper comforting phrases to yourself like, "I'm right here," or "It's okay to rest," or "You matter to me."
• Parts Work: Get curious about the part of you that has gone offline. Offer it compassion and reassurance without pressure, saying things like, "Thank you for protecting me from pain. Right now, it's safe to feel just a little bit."

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Transcript

Amanda Armstrong  0:00  
Amanda, welcome to regulate and rewire an anxiety and depression podcast where we discuss the things I wish someone would have taught me earlier in my healing journey. I'm your host, Amanda Armstrong, and I'll be sharing my steps, my missteps, client experiences and tangible research based tools to help you regulate your nervous system, rewire your mind and reclaim your life. Thanks for being here. Now let's dive in. 

Amanda Armstrong  0:28  
Today is Episode Four in our series on the different nervous system states, and today we are exploring shutdown, which is your nervous system's most protective response. It is that heavy, disconnected state where everything feels too hard, nothing seems to matter. We are completely collapsed, immobilized and disconnected when we are fully and deeply in this dorsal vagal shutdown state, to help you get a snapshot of what this state experience might be like, or to help you identify really early in this episode, if this is a familiar state for you, I want you to think about if you've ever had a feeling when you wake up that you just don't want to get out of bed, or it takes everything you have just to get out of bed. When you look at your to do list and feel numb, you feel absolutely nothing, no motivation, no energy, no point. Maybe you feel like you are watching your life from the outside, like you are moving your day through a thick fog. Maybe you find yourself isolating, canceling plans, just sitting on the couch, staring at the wall. Maybe you've had those looping thoughts of, what's the point, or you feel like you are somehow just broken or lazy. There's oftentimes a shame story that comes here as well this and these are common experiences in this shutdown state. It's when your nervous system says there's too much and there's no way out. And when it feels like this, it completely powers down to protect you. It is your body saying, I love you enough to turn the volume down on the intensity. 

Amanda Armstrong  2:14  
So bring to mind this nervous system ladder that we've talked about so frequently. At the top is that green zone of regulation. Then in the middle you have your yellow zone of activation, and at the bottom you have this red shutdown state. Now you're standing at the top of that ladder holding a bucket. That bucket represents your nervous system's carrying capacity. When the stress load on your nervous system is light, you're able to stay at the top of the ladder, no problem. And as life as stressors, internally, physiologically, externally, relationally add and add and add and add to that bucket, it pushes you further and further and further down that nervous system ladder. So when the stress load on your nervous system, when the stressors in your bucket have either gotten too many or too big, or they have lasted too long. Our system has run out of capacity to carry and that's what puts us in this shutdown state. 

Amanda Armstrong  3:11  
So today we're going to explore that state. This is often where depression lives, or a lot of elements of depression lived. We'll talk about it from a nervous system perspective, why it happens, how to gently support yourself when you're in this state. And we'll also look at it through a parts work perspective, because, again, that is where a lot of shifting happens for our clients, understanding which parts of you might be in shutdown, and how you can help to build a relationship with them and maybe walk them out of this hopeful, immobilized, disconnected place. What I want you to know up front is that we are not going to talk about fixing shutdown or snapping out of it. This episode is really focused on understanding it, working with it, creating the conditions for your system to slowly and safely come back online when it makes sense to do so, when it is ready to do so. 

Amanda Armstrong  4:07  
So beginning where we've begun with all of these episodes, let's talk about what shutdown actually is, first from a nervous system perspective. So shut down is governed by something called your dorsal vagal complex. This is the oldest part of your nervous system, and this is your body's most primitive survival response, and it's designed to help you survive when fight, flight or even freeze are not options. So in the wild, this would be like playing dead when a predator has cornered you, there's no way to escape. So your body essentially shuts down all non essential functions, to conserve energy, to wait for the threat to pass. What's also happening is that your body is releasing kind of numbing agents. So here it is, basically deemed in the wild, escape isn't possible now. Death is inevitable, most likely. So let's shut down all non essential functions. Let's release numbing agents. Physiologically, let's create some dissociation, some disconnection mentally, so that if death does actually come, it is as quick and painless and we are as disconnected from that experience as possible, and if by chance, the threat does pass on its own, we have conserved enough energy to slowly begin to remobilize our system and move on with our lives. 

Amanda Armstrong  5:33  
So physiologically, when you are shut down, your heart rate slows way, way down, your breathing can become very shallow, digestive system pretty much stops working. You might notice that you lose your appetite entirely, or feel even nauseous at the thought of food. When we are in this shutdown state, we also have our immune system that gets suppressed. So this is why people in chronic shutdown often get sick more frequently or have chronic health conditions. There is so much research linking depression to increased rates and frequency of chronic illness, and maybe I'll actually do an entire podcast on that in the future, things we see physiologically in the state as well is sometimes a drop in body temperature so you might feel cold or need extra blankets, and even your vision can become more narrowed or blurry. You have a hard time visually focusing on things. These shifts is your body literally conserving every bit of energy for basic survival functions. That's what we're seeing, and that's what's happening here. 

Amanda Armstrong  6:40  
And remember that your body doesn't know the difference. Your nervous system doesn't know the difference between actual stressors, a tiger that has you pinned into a corner, versus the chronic stress load of life or unresolved, unprocessed past traumatic experiences that have just weighed down your system for so long. This is a system that is worn down now psychologically. What we often experience here feels like numbness, emptiness, disconnection from your emotions, disconnection from your body, your sense of self, from experiences around you, right? Dissociation, depersonalization are often part of this experience. It can be like, What did one of our clients say? I think she said it felt like there was like a thick wall between her and the world, like she was watching her life from the outside, or like it was somebody else walking through her life. One of the things we often see here as well are senses of hopelessness or helplessness, thoughts like, what's the point of being been trying? Why does it even matter? I don't matter. You feel like nothing will change. Nothing you do will make a difference. Other common behaviors here are self isolating, not returning calls, canceling plans, just feeling like you want to disappear. And sometimes that's not because you don't actually want to connect with other people, but it can be because social connection feels overwhelming or impossible when you are shut down, or it's hard to be around other people who are more energized or more positive than you when you find yourself in this state and there. Part of that is because there's a very real energy lack that we have here. 

Amanda Armstrong  8:27  
Getting dressed can feel like climbing a mountain, making decisions can feel impossible, and even simple tasks can just feel so overwhelming. I also want to remind you that that each and every one of these states has a spectrum, and so as I'm sharing some of this, some of you are very much like, yeah, that's my everyday experience. Others of you may be like, I have moments of this, but maybe that all sounds a little bit more intense. Does this apply to me? What I want to tell you is that we all have moments of shutdown, even me and I say I'm on the other side of my struggle with anxiety and depression. I know what it takes to stay there. What that means is I don't get stuck in those states, but even I will wake up some days and I'm like, I am depleted. I am shut down, especially after having really emotional experiences the day before. So we all find ourselves in and within the spectrum of states inexperience. And so what I want you to understand around shutdown is that what often gets labeled as depression definitely can include a shutdown component, but it often also includes elements of activation or freeze. So again, like everything, there is a spectrum, and this is why, oftentimes, our clients choose to replace their use of anxiety or depression with activation or shutdown. Instead of, I have depression, it's I'm feeling really shut down right now. Instead of, I struggle with anxiety, I experience a lot of activation, because what that naturally brings into this experience. Sense is a greater element of context, a sense of choice and a sense of this spectrum that it might not always feel this awful or this intense. 

Amanda Armstrong  10:11  
So offering just a brief summary of the shutdown state before we move on, shutdown disconnects you from action, emotion, and oftentimes even parts of identity or sense of self, it's almost like the lights are on, just enough to function. And this state is protective. It is not something that we ever consciously choose. When there has been too much for too long, when there is no solution in sight when there are overwhelmingly more cues of danger than safety of disconnection than connection of depletion versus resource in your life, this is how your system wisely chooses to conserve energy, go quiet and disconnect to survive. So in this state, your nervous system has two primary goals, number one, to disconnect you, to prevent any further discomfort or harm, and number two, to immobilize you, to conserve energy. And this is really important, because if the survival mechanisms are disconnection and immobilization, then a little bit later in this conversation, when we talk about tools to help you slowly work your way out of this. What we are looking for to happen is gentle connection and gentle mobilization. 

Amanda Armstrong  11:28  
But before we get there, let's talk about why some people find themselves in a chronic shutdown state. What causes this protective response to become a baseline, to become a pattern in somebody's life, and it again, is also usually a combination of current contributors and past lived experiences. So some of the current contributors could be chronic overwhelm, stress, burnout, ongoing physical illness or pain, that internal stress load can be really high, isolation, lack of social support, over stimulating environments, financial insecurity or instability, discrimination, genuinely actually unsafe living conditions, unpredictable circumstances, parenting or caregiving without any support. So oftentimes, shutdown happens after prolonged periods of stress or trauma or just trying to keep up with demands that exceed your capacity. So again, slowly, load is getting added and added and added to that bucket, pushing you further and further down. So this could happen after a period of intense work stress, caregiving responsibilities, again, dealing with illness, situations where you have been given more than you can sustain. Another thing that often contributes to the shutdown state is accumulated grief or loss. So when we are carrying around this buildup of grief, not just from major losses, but this could also be from so many small disappointments, unmet needs, dreams that didn't work out. Sometimes our system will shut down to protect us from feeling the full weight of everything that we've lost. 

Amanda Armstrong  13:11  
Another thing that plays here is past contributors, so developmental trauma or neglect, emotional invalidation, growing up, situations where no one came to help and you really needed it. This could come from living in systems that were visibly harmful or dangerous, repeated experiences of failure or helplessness. So when you have especially early life experiences of neglect, emotional unavailability from caregivers situations where your needs were consistently unmet, your nervous system might have learned that shutdown was the safest response. Your nervous system learned that disconnection was necessary because it was the only thing that didn't continue to perpetuate this sense of harm. It's not hard to understand how in circumstances like this, this sense of disconnection was actually really beneficial to you. So shut down often develops in people who learned that their needs were not going to be met, so they learned not to feel them at all. That disconnection, again, it was adaptive, and while it might not serve us long term, we have to acknowledge and have compassion for the fact that it did probably serve us at one point. 

Amanda Armstrong  14:29  
Which brings us to this conversation of understanding shutdown from a parts work perspective, it often involves the parts of you that are protecting you from further harm or disappointment. So again, the part that learned early on that hoping or wanting for things just led to disappointment, so shut down all your desires to keep you safe. Maybe it was a part of you that experienced emotional overwhelm and learned that numbness was safer than having these feelings because you didn't have the coping tools or mechanisms or the external support for those big feelings. Yeah. There could be a part of you that was criticized or shamed for having needs again, shut down all your awareness of what you need. Don't ask, don't need. Maybe there was a part that witnessed so much pain or chaos that it just decided to disconnect because that sense of or literal being out of control was just too much, or maybe coming back to that grief. I think in a lot of us, there's a part that carries enormous amounts of grief, or maybe rage, and then what we need to still function in our everyday life is a, what we call, sometimes, a manager part that shuts down the part of you that has that grief or has that rage to keep you from feeling overwhelmed or from getting in trouble, these are not conscious decisions. They are protective adaptations that made sense at some point in your life, and the part of you that shuts down is actually trying to love and protect you in a way that it learned how, maybe in the only way that it knows how, something I say often is that we are just bigger versions of tiny, tiny SS who had to come up with really creative ways to survive and get our needs met. And I think understanding this can bring so much compassion to this experience of shutdown, that it is not something that you are doing wrong. It is not a sign of brokenness. It is not necessarily this thing that you were born with that you cannot control. It is a part of you that learn to protect themselves by turning the volume down and disconnecting because life got to be too much. And so what do we do? This shifts us into the conversation of what can actually help us when we are in a shutdown state, and similar to freeze, what we do not need here, what our system cannot hold here, is more pressure and more stimulation. We enter the state because everything feels like too much. We're overwhelmed. So when moving through or supporting ourselves here it is gentle presence, very, very small steps back towards connection. 

Amanda Armstrong  17:08  
So remember the two protective mechanisms of this state, disconnection and immobilization. And so when we are looking to resource ourselves in and eventually out of a shutdown state, what we are looking for are ways to gently invite in safe amounts of reconnection and mobilization, not trying to force our system back online. Push through the numbness. We are trying to create the safest possible conditions for your system to slowly remember that it is okay to be present. 

Amanda Armstrong  17:41  
I remember one time in college, there was a friend of mine, and I had noticed that he wasn't really showing up to some classes. He wasn't showing up to social engagements with his other fraternity brothers. And I, you know, put on my my savior complex, and I was like, I'm gonna go see what is wrong and help him to feel better. And I went over, and I cleaned his apartment for him, and we played music, and then I invited him to meet me at the gym later, and then he didn't show. And I was like, oh, like, what's up, man? And he sent me a message that has impacted me so, so deeply. And he very kindly, very compassionately, shared, I can't thank you enough for reaching out when so many people haven't, for coming over and helping me clean. And it's also really hard for me to be around somebody who has as much happiness and energy as you do when I feel this way, like, sorry for bailing on the gym. I just need to figure some things out right now. Oh, that was humbling, and I didn't understand then. What I understand now, which was my system was pulling too hard at a system that was already overwhelmed to the point of shutdown, and what this particular individual discovered a year later was actually that he was dealing with Lyme disease and didn't know and so a lot of his stressors were coming from internal. Stressors was coming from a condition that he didn't know about, therefore he wasn't treating and so there's also this extra layer of shame that he likely carried around, which is like, what's wrong with me? Why can't I just reiterating what I try to make clear each and every single time, even if you don't know why, yet your symptoms make sense. They make sense given the unique combination of your past lived experiences and current life circumstances. Current life circumstances, being society, internal, physiological stressors, your underlying health, your sense of connection and belonging. And we end up in a shutdown state when all of that feels like too much. 

Amanda Armstrong  19:54  
And so in trying to come out of that, there are a few cases. Categories of tools, of practices that I want to touch on. Number one, can be gentle sensations and grounding. So when you're shut down, you're often disconnected from your body from the present moment. So can you hold a warm cup of tea? Can you touch something with an interesting texture? Can you feel your feet on the floor or push your back against a chair, notice the weight of your body? What we are trying to do here is just to create very gentle awareness, without trying to force anything to be different. Can we just send a signal to our nervous system? Hey, we are here and that gently, hopefully invites a safe level of connection other practices. 

Amanda Armstrong  20:46  
And I think this category of visual orientation and some kind of gentle movement is in all of these but your eyes can be the gateway back to the present moment. When you are shut down, you might notice that your vision feels really flat or disconnected. So in these moments, gentle eye movements can signal safety back to your nervous system. Looking around the room, you don't have to find anything in particular. Again, what are we looking for? Tiny ways to connect and mobilize. Your eyes are a way to bring small mobilization into your system. So moving your eyes gently, turning your head from side to side, maybe blinking softly. 

Amanda Armstrong  21:29  
And then when it comes to movement, start small, wiggle your fingers, roll your shoulders a gentle stretch, tiny movements remind your nervous system that you actually can move, that you are not totally and completely immobilized. Maybe you're swaying side to side. Small in this state is the only thing that feels safe and accessible. So just get up, go grab a glass of water. How can we just move in a small, safe way again. 

Amanda Armstrong  22:03  
this category of sound to voice. So sound can be really powerful to reconnecting when you are in a shutdown state, because it literally vibrates through your body. It reanimates your nervous system a little bit. One of the things that we experience in a shutdown state is that our facial expressions and the tone of our voice usually become pretty numb or flat. So how can you activate and stimulate your vagus nerve with an mmm, a humming or a vu breath, or even just saying to yourself, I'm right here, I'm right here. I'm okay. Using your own voice to help you remember that you exist, that you're present, that this state or this moment or these sensations are temporary. Can we listen to slow, warm music rather than something overpowering and stimulating, which is probably what I did to my friend, 

Amanda Armstrong  23:01  
and then one of the categories of tools or practices or resources for shutdown that I think is the most effective when we are shut down, if it is accessible and available to us, is CO regulation is seeking out connection. Now maybe that connection is with your sense of self. Maybe it's looking at a picture of a younger you looking through a photo album of positive memories. But is there any access that you have to co regulate with some thing or someone outside of you? If direct social interactions feel overwhelming, you can also have it be more of a symbolic connection. Can you text somebody that you feel safe with you. Don't need to have a conversation. Just let someone know that you're thinking about them or you're struggling you're not ready to talk about it, kind of reaching out. Do you have an animal or a plant that you can tend to? These are forms of connection that don't require complex social interactions. Maybe you watch a comforting movie or show something that feels familiar and soothing rather than stimulating your intent. So be mindful of the media that you choose to consume. When you're in this overwhelmed state, looking at a photo of someone you love or thinking about somebody with whom you care about maybe it's connecting to something bigger, whether that's nature or spirituality, God, just the sense that you are part of something bigger than yourself can be a lifeline when you're in this state. This could even be looking out your window or sitting on your porch and just reminding yourself that you are not alone in the world, even though so often we feel that way in this state and as you attempt some of these tools or these practices or to lean into these resources, remember, small in shutdown, less really, really is more. And if you find yourself in a chronic place, this is where having a professional therapeutic relationship. Something that is predictable, it is scheduled, that can be a really beautiful form of CO regulation and relational support when you find yourself in seasons of just too much, and something that you might be able to do on your own, but can be especially supported in those therapeutic relationships is working with the shutdown response through a parts work lens. 

Amanda Armstrong  25:20  
So when you are in shutdown, can you get curious about which parts of you have gone offline, what they might need? So maybe there's that part that's overwhelmed and needs rest. You might say to that part, I see how tired you are, and it is okay to rest. You don't have to do anything right now. Can you not just try to fix shutdown. I think so often we notice we're in a state, and we're like, how do I get out? But what if you noticed you're in this state, and you said, I give you permission to be here. I give you permission to be immobilized. I give you permission to be disconnected. I see that you're tired. I see that you need to rest. It's okay to do nothing right now. Or maybe you have that part that's protecting you from feeling too much again, we're not trying to change anything. Maybe you just turn to that part and you acknowledge it. Hey, thank you for protecting me from pain. Right now, it's okay to stay disconnected. Or maybe, hey part right now. Do you think it could be safe for us to feel just a little bit or maybe there's this part of you that is carrying this old belief that you are too much, or that you don't matter, that nothing matters, you might be able to turn to this younger part of you and say, Hey, you matter to me. Your feelings and needs are important, and I'm so sorry that it didn't feel like that then. 

Amanda Armstrong  26:35  
And perhaps the most important tool for working with shutdown is patience. Patience and compassion. Your system didn't go offline overnight and it won't come back online overnight either. Working with a shutdown state often requires a slower timeline than other states, where activation might shift in minutes or hours, shut down might take days, weeks or even longer, to resolve and walk ourselves back up that nervous system ladder. And this doesn't mean that you are broken or doing something wrong. It means that your system is taking the time it needs to feel safe enough to be present again. And when we are talking about the deeper work, the more proactive or lifestyle changes that help prevent or get us to the other side of being chronically shut down. 

Amanda Armstrong  27:23  
Number one, we need to address the chronic stressors. What are the work demands, the relationship dynamics, the caregiving responsibilities, the general pace or pressure of your daily life. That's just unsustainable. 

Amanda Armstrong  27:36  
Another thing to look for is how to create safety and predictability. So shutdown often happens when life feels chaotic or unpredictable. What are the things that you can do to create more structure, more routine, more safety, less pressure in your daily life, to prevent your system from feeling like it needs to go offline, this could be more consistent. 

Amanda Armstrong  27:58  
Sleep, meal timing. Is there a calming space in your home? Do you have regular practices that help you to feel grounded and connected, and if not, what might that look like for you, uniquely and for many of us and the work that we support our clients in it's really just taking that step back and saying, what got me there in the first place, what's contributing to keeping me stuck that might look like, getting comprehensive lab work done, like for my friend, getting that diagnosis of Lyme and appropriate treatment coming out of that shutdown state likely wouldn't have been possible for him without addressing the underlying physiological factors. I've talked about it many times here for all of our one on one clients, we now include a really comprehensive blood work panel. And almost every single one of our clients who have done that has had a couple specific biomarkers, really low B or D or thyroid issues or hormones that looked like they were headed into perimenopause. Very, very clear underlying physiological stress load that when it is addressed, might be the thing that gives your system just enough capacity to come back online to feel safe enough. 

Amanda Armstrong  29:13  
So if you are somebody who's in chronic shutdown, what, what does that equation look like for you? Do you know what past weight you're still carrying around? Have you assessed your current lived experiences? Do you just have too much pressure in areas of your life, too many things to do? What are the internal beliefs that you have about yourself or the world, or your capacity those internal parts? And do you know what the baseline of your health is? What are these underlying physiological stressors? Are you sleeping enough or consistently? Are you eating enough or consistently? Because if you are deficient, if you are depleted, you are at much higher risk of moving into a shutdown state. It's. And having a harder time to come out of that, because you're under resourced, mentally, physically in some way. 

Amanda Armstrong  30:07  
And so as we wrap up, I want to come back and just reiterate shut down depression. However, whatever you want to label, this is not something that you should be ashamed of. It's also not something you should just be able to push through. The number of times I've been on a discovery call was like, Yeah, I was talking to my partner or my dad or my friend, and they're like, yeah. Like, just push through. You have so much in your life to be grateful for. Like, I don't understand. No, when we reach this point, it's not a matter of mindset. There is physiology, there is Psychology. This is not something to be ashamed of, and it is not something you should be able to just push through. And my favorite way of understanding this state is that it is my nervous system saying I love you enough to turn down the volume, to disconnect you when life feels overwhelming, when it's too much, this state is protection. It is not pathology, and the path back from shutdown isn't through force or pressure. It is through gentleness, patience, connection and creating the safest possible conditions for your system to slowly come back online. 

Amanda Armstrong  31:18  
All right, here are the three takeaways from today's conversation. 

Amanda Armstrong  31:22  
Number one, shutdown is protection, not pathology. That, to me, warrants repeating. When Everything Feels too hard and nothing seems to matter, your nervous system is protecting you from the overwhelm. Can we, instead of fighting or judging, listen to what it's telling us about your life and your needs. 

Amanda Armstrong  31:43  
Number two, gentle presence is more powerful than forced productivity. In this shutdown state, your system needs, safety and presence, safety and patience, not more pressure. What can that look like through some of the tools we talked about today? Tiny sensations, micro movements, small connection.

Amanda Armstrong  32:03  
and number three address, the overwhelm, address the root cause. Get the support you need to discover the root cause instead of just addressing the symptoms. If shutdown is a pattern for you, this sense of overwhelm, it's often telling you that something really, really important about your life, your past experience, your internal dynamics, is off, and it's that deeper work that's going to create sustainable support for your nervous system. 

Amanda Armstrong  32:33  
All right, friend, that is it for today's conversation. As always, if this resonates with you, myself, my team, we would love to offer you a new way of healing, and until next week, when we talk about our final state in this series, regulation, I am sending so much hope and healing your way.

Amanda Armstrong  32:56  
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