Ep 51: Healing Starts with the Heart: A Quantum Perspective on Energy & Intuition in Medicine with Dr. Mitch Abrams

In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Mitch Abrams to talk about the real science behind what we feel but often can’t explain: heart coherence, energetic regulation, and the quantum field’s role in healing.

We dive into:

• What heart coherence actually is—and how it's measurable
• How your nervous system sets the tone in every session
• Why compassion and intention shift patient outcomes
• How the Global HeartSync Project is tracking collective coherence globall
• What the quantum field has to do with clinical care (and why it’s not “woo”)

If you’re a practitioner who knows there’s more to healing than protocols, this conversation is your confirmation—and your next step.

0:00 Introduction to Dr. Mitch Abrams and Heart Coherence

01:07 Dr. Abrams' Personal Healing Journey

03:22 The Intersection of Eastern and Western Medicine

07:28 The Science of Compassion and Healing

19:57 The Role of Practitioners in Patient Healing

39:35 Global Implications of Heart Coherence

43:46 Using Cell Phones for Biofeedback

44:09 Global Magnetometers and Coherence

45:07 The Global Consciousness Project

47:13 Impact of Collective Intention

49:03 Understanding Quantum Field and Coherence

51:04 The Power of Intuition and Non-Locality

58:14 The Role of Arts in Global Transformation

01:02:00 Challenges and Opportunities in Modern Society

01:04:34 The Future of Social Infrastructure

01:13:22 Empowering the Youth for Change

01:16:21 Conclusion and Call to Action

You can learn more about Dr. Mitch Abrams below

https://nexgenhealth.solutions

https://globalheartsync.com

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Transcript

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What if your presence, not your protocols is your most powerful treatment tool? Hear me out.

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in this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Mitch Abrams to talk about the real science behind what we feel, but often can explain heart coherence, energetic regulation, and the quantum field's role in healing. Dr. Mitchell Abrams is a Canadian radiologist, a TEDx keynote speaker, an educator and founder of NextGen Health. He has also completed his medical degree and radiology specialty from Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia. He also holds a subspecialty in cross-sectional imaging from the University of Toronto, and is a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada. Dr. Abrams is an assistant clinical professor at the Michael g Deru School of Medical Sciences and was a department chair of diagnostic imaging at Cambridge Memorial Hospital. Dr. Abrams is also a certified educator of applied Compassion through the center of compassion, altruism, research and education at Stanford Medical School. After an unexpected open heart surgery, Dr. Abrams experienced a healing journey of his own, which catapulted him on a mission to bring more heart to healthcare and to our communities. Dr. Abrams approach to wellbeing incorporates the leading edge scientific research and personal experience as he brings forth an integrative approach to whole person health. NextGen Solutions was born as a social enterprise to bring this work to the world. While as non-profit Initiative RAD Art integrates art and music to create a sustainable funding mechanism in support of resilience training for youth and communities. In need and for mental health research. What we're gonna dive into in this episode is it's just super rich and fascinating in, more ways than I can explain, but we're gonna dive into what heart coherence actually is and how it's measurable, how your nervous system sets the tone with every patHeartsyncssion. Why compassion and intentional shift affect patient outcomes? How the Global Heartsync project is tracking collective coherence globally and what the quantum field has to do with clinical care. And no, it's not just woo. If you're a practitioner who just knows there's more to healing than protocols, then this conversation is your confirmation and your next step. I'm really excited to share this episode with you. It was fully rich with a lot of great information that I really think is gonna blow your mind. So now we'll go into the episode. Welcome back to TMI talk with Dr. Mary where we dive into non-traditional forms of health that were once labeled as taboo or dismissed as Woo. I'm your host, Dr. Mary. I'm an orthopedic and pelvic floor physical therapist who helps health. Movement and rehab professionals integrate whole body healing by blending the nervous system into traditional biomechanics to maximize patient outcomes. I use a non-traditional approach that has helped thousands of people address the deeper roots of health that often get overlooked in conventional western training. And now we are gonna be starting our next episode.

Audio Only - All Participants: 3:16

welcome to the show, Dr. Mitch. Thank you for being here. My pleasure. Great to be with you. Yes. Well, you know, I love the work you're doing blending eastern and western medicine. It's, it's just speaking to my heart. Excellent. Well, I'm excited to, to chat more about it. Yeah. So we'll just dive right in with some of the questions and see where it goes. So, what was the main reason that led you to understand how energetics come into play with modern medicine? Hmm. Um, I think it, for me, it came in stages. My first experience was through my radiology residency, you know, as a radiologist, we're, we're literally non-invasively, dissecting the human body, like a loaf of bread without a scalpel. So, you know, looking at the human body through a lens of physics and how physics and biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, how it all blends together to, to, you know, paint a picture, um, you know, for the, for understanding health and wellbeing. So from a western lens, that was, you know, I guess my first initiation and then things took a turn. Um, very early in my medical career, I learned I required open heart surgery for a congenital heart condition, and so. Through that experience as a patient, uh, I quickly realized that there was something fundamentally missing within our Western model, and I just wasn't anticipating the emotional toll. You know, my, my mind felt different. My spirit felt different. Um, you know, like I often say like these stories that I was, that I tell myself, they were, they were different. So this really catapulted me in a, in a, in a journey, um, exploration, looking at how, how do other cultures approach health and wellbeing? Like, I felt like there was something just, I. Fundamentally missing. And so this eventually led me to India, and it was in India that I found something profound. You know, this, this science of spirituality, the science of, um, connection or consciousness, whatever you wanna label it as. But you know, as a radiologist working with energy, I was fascinated to, to see that this was an ancient wisdom describing the fundamental energy that constitutes all of us in the world. And so through that lens, you know, with my western, you know, scientific hat on, and at the same time, you know, learning about this ancient wisdom and this science and beginning to practice and engage with this energy, um, it just opened my mind, opened my heart, and that was where I feel that I. It just kind of, it just changed my global worldview and my understanding of myself and my relationships with others in the world and how medicine, um, you know, this was a missing ingredient. You know, I, I feel like this isn't just information that's nice to have. I really believe that this is, uh, the missing ingredient, how we approach health, wellbeing, and, and even our global challenges. Yeah, I mean it's, it's so fascinating how much, you know, you and I were talking before this on how sometimes it takes these, at least for me, it took a big life change, you know, getting cancer to realize, wait, I did everything that Western medicine told me was healthy, right? Like, I, I exercise, I had good blood pressure, I was a good weight, I had good muscle mass, and then I get cancer at 33. And that's when I was. Had to really sit and look at all of our systems and how we got here. You know? And then if you look at how long modern medicine has been around, it's been like 150, 200 years. Yeah. Which is a baby compared to the ancient wisdom of Eastern medicine, which is what, 3000 to 5,000 years? I mean, I've seen. Everything in between. And so I be, I truly believe the fact that we're not integrating this is a huge disservice to the world, our communities and our patients yeah. AB absolutely. And and to your point, you know, uh, the, our current model of healthcare was created at a time when we thought we understood ourselves and our relationships to each other. It was built upon a Newtonian perspective of separation. You know, you're a bit separate from my bits. And this eventually led to what we see today is this industrialized model of care. And it, the pendulum has swung so far towards big pharma and drugs and literally giving away our power as individuals. And we need now, you know, as science is showing us that. Story, that's just an incomplete story. And now from a quantum physics perspective of understanding, connection, um, and understanding, you know, how this plays into the science of compassion, how powerful it is in healing and reclaiming interagency, you know, the model now needs, um, a big change and needs to shift. Uh, it's just, it's like an old shoe. It just doesn't fit, um, who and what we are individually and collectively. Yes. No, it, it's, it's needing that shift and needing to understand. I think it's so interesting how much we've, we've given away our agency, like you're saying. I mean, we go to doctors and we're like, they're not telling me, you know, they're not giving me the answers that I want and, and so much I believe, believe in, and. In meditating. When I talk to my clients about meditating, I'm like, it's not just about, you know, just trying to calm yourself. Yes, it's part of that, but it's also looking at your life from like a, a, an alter another point of view. Like as if you're looking at it as a third party being like, well, what does my body need? You know, and sitting with that and learning about the body and educating yourself so that when you go to, then you can, then you can use the lens that you have and be like, oh, I need to go to this doctor because this is what's happening in my body and I need to get help with this. And it's, it's getting people to tap into that intuition that we've been so disconnected from as a society. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And, and, and I feel that, you know, so, so many people. We, we have stories, we've been told stories and stories from generations back. The stories that we tell ourselves and we've been told, and yet all of these stories, it's like it creates it, it paints a picture and everybody, I really believe sees the world through this piece of art that's been created through their lifetime and through generations back. And the act, whatever you want to label it as, this act of meditation, this, this act of, you know, shifting your consciousness. It can, it literally helps separate the paint from the canvas so that now from that higher lens, that higher state of awareness, that you can look at these stories, you can look at yourself and begin to understand that, you know, the, some of the decisions that you've made. They don't define you. They are a moment in time that helps us understand who we truly are and help us appreciate this pure potential that we each are. And it's, I believe in these moments of separation that we can transform, you know, and that's where we are now, learning to listen to the body, learn what is it that we need from a mental, physical, emotional, and a spiritual, you know, foundation to support our wellbeing as a whole person. And there's a real science. I mean, it's, it's, it's quite amazing when you start to like, look at the literature. For decades now, it's been pointing and moving the needle towards this understanding that we have everything that we need to heal. And not to say that we throw out everything in western medicine. I, I feel, no, let's take the best of the west, but integrate the ancient wisdom so we create a balanced system for healing, for patient care and global health and global wellbeing. Yeah, I mean, I love what you're saying because you know, when you're talking about like that kind of divide from the canvas is, is thinking about, the way I think about that almost is like pulling away the ego and looking at your highest consciousness. So your highest self and your what. Might say Best self, high self, because the ego's gonna be so sensitive to fear and scarcity and criticism, right. And then the highest self. So our higher self is going to be focused more on love connection and a slower pace of living. And we live in a culture, in a society where we're staying in our ego. So everything's, so when we're in that, we're so sensitive to a lot of different things. And like you and I were talking before the call is I, I've been a big people pleaser my whole life and now I'm like, oh, this is just an energetics thing, right? Some people live in, the people that live in ego might be turned off by the people focused more in this kind of love and compassion, and they have that capability. But when you're so in it, it's hard to see that, hey, you actually have this choice to look at things in a different light. And I truly believe that suffering is a choice. Um, and then pain, obviously we're gonna experience pain as humans. It's just the human condition. We're, we're here, we're going to experience that. But sitting it and dwelling in it is more of the ego and then the fear based and then understanding, okay, well what can I do with this information? And look at it from a different lens. So it's taking off those old glasses and putting on new, fresh ones that can actually see things more clearly. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, something that you said I think really, really resonates. Um, the, the Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education at Stanford University, they, they talk about these five pillars for compassion and, and compassion really is pivotal when it for healing. And so one of those pillars is we need to experience, we, we need to experience that pain. We need to experience the hurt. Um, the fear, but. We need to experience it in a way that allows us to not react to it, but to look at it, to be with it in a state of, of, of coherence so that we can make sense of it. And then the moment you look at it, it changes. And then that's the process of healing. That's the process of transmuting dark into light. You know, it, it, it is that moment of transformation. And so I believe that, you know, providing people the tools and this understanding to reach, you know, levels of awareness that is part of this process of, of healing, claiming inner agency and, you know, recognizing that, you know, perhaps the answer isn't always found in a, in a, in a pill or in a bottle. You know, it's found within every cell of your body. It's found in your heart and you, your true nature. You know, we're all, as a radiologist, I can say, look, we're all beings of light. That's the only reason why an MRI machine works. And yet the 2022 Nobel Prize in physics was a word of three gentlemen that experimentally proved that we're all part of a non-local interconnected, you know, entangled universe. So yeah, we're all beings of light and we're all reflections of the same light. So with that shift and that with that understanding, you know, it's not about you versus me, it's not about my ego, it's, it's about, we are all light beings. How do we embrace the light, recognize it within ourselves so that I can see it in you, I can experience it in others. And that creates such a degree of compassion for self and compassionate latitude for others, that this is where I think real healing, you know, stems from. Yeah, I think so much of, of healing is, well, first of all, none of us are special. We've all been through some form of pain or traumatic event or something along those lines, right? Some people experience more than others, but overall, I know for my healing process, I was like, nobody's gonna understand. I've just been through so much and blah, blah, blah. And then I've met other people who've been through this journey and they're, you know, they're working towards putting their ego to the side and, and working to help raise the collective consciousness. I'm like, oh, if they could do it, I have no excuse. You know, and it was very humbling. And I like to think of it as like, you know, we want us, it's the human condition's gonna want us to stay in this kind of victim mode of, nobody's gonna understand, I wish I had a better childhood. I wish I wasn't treated this way. Well, all of those things are in the past, and now we can't shift those. And so. I mean, now we can shift those. We just have to know that we can, and we haven't been taught or have the tools in the way that at least I was raised and culturally in the United States, this isn't a priority at schools. This isn't, we're not teaching people this type of stuff, but you know, just understanding that when we go through pain, right, I'm in a season of grief right now. And in that it's like respecting when it comes up and feeling it, allowing myself to be in it and fully feeling it because I know it's gonna move through me. And the more that I try to shove it down, the more it's gonna come out in, in physical pain, emotional pain, or something along those capacities. And I truly believe true health is getting people to understand their bodies. And have body awareness because the body speaks to us, but our brain isn't aware. Our conscious brain isn't aware of how to interpret it. And so that's a huge passion of mine is getting healthcare and movement professionals to get people in their bodies. So then the rest kind of slowly starts taking care of itself once they feel that, I don't know if that's been your experience, but that's kind of the, the light switches on and they're like, oh wow. I had no idea. This kind of power. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean that really, uh, it speaks to such a degree of truth when we think about the absolute intelligence that's found within every cell of our body. I mean, if you think about when the egg and sperm unite that single cell like a seed eventually grows, and I. Emerges as this super organism that's so complex, you know, billions of chemical reactions per second that are so coherently connected to create a beautiful, complex living organism. And that knowledge, you know, is part, it's, it's in us. We are truly, um, an extension of the universe. And science is proving this, this is what the Nobel Prize is, is, is telling us that every atom in our body has information of every other atom, of this entire universe. That's information of the universe within each of us, and even Buddha. Thousands of years ago, he talked about, you know, kalas, the, the vibrations at, at the subatomic level and, and you know, his teaching of the pasana. He, he would say, look, if we can learn how to quiet the mind, learn how to tune in to the sensations of the body, you'll receive panya, you'll receive this wisdom of the world. It just comes to you. And just like an MRI machine can listen to the information at the vibrational level of your, of your atoms, here we are. We do have the capacity to listen to our bodies and listen to the information that ROT resides within so that we can have a expanded level of awareness of ourselves and each other. So, a, a, absolutely, I think the key is body sensory awareness and that emotional intelligence, whatever you want to call it. It's, it's, it's foundational in, in medicine. Well, it's, it starts with the practitioner, right? If we don't have, if we're not grounded as practitioners, they can feel our energy. You know, I know that you had said in your TED Talk too about how people can feel your energy from four feet away. And, and, and that's your heart. And in that, if we're just regulated and showing up, and, you know, in medicine, we are taught to be on the defense, to not be sued, you know, to come into it that way. So automatically we're coming in with a heightened nervous system, right? And then. And in that the client, the patient's gonna feel that too. And so it's so important as, as practitioners, that we are practicing this ourselves because then there's this intuitive part of, of healing, right? Because nobody's textbook, I've never met one person that's been a textbook PT case. Everything that I've seen, I've had to look at the person from a overall perspective, watch them move and put all the information together and interpret it based on the information that I've been given. So you're digesting it through your lens. If I am dysregulated, I cannot digest that and look at that. Clearly. My body is just thinking, we're running from a bear. I don't, I can't figure out this shit, you know? Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, and we were chatting about this like that, the science of the heart shows us that when we are available for others, when we are showing up with compassion for ourselves and for another, it allows us to synchronize our heart rhythms with others. And that physiologic synchronization has been shown to be foundation in how we feel that we're being heard. We feel that deep sense of connection, and that has been shown to heal people. That has been shown to reduce pain perception by over 50%. So how a practitioner shows up, either being in a state of regulation and a state of coherence and, and a state of inner peace and compassion. Or in a state of stress and angst has a direct impact on patient care and patient outcomes. It's, yeah, it's basically, and we might not see the connection, the energy, but it's there. I mean, it's just, this is just a truth. Yeah. It's the co-regulation. It's, it's, yeah, it's showing up in that way. And, and it's so interesting because, you know, when we can show up that way, we're not thinking of it the right way. I know there's so much of, um, at least in the pt rehab world, where we're like, oh, let's get them doing these exercises and this, and da da, da, da, because if we're just sitting and talking, where're wasting time. That's kind of been the, at least the way that I've interpreted, the way that it is. Right. And now, you know, I'm 14 years into practicing and I'm, I'm, no, oh my gosh. My energy is my first treatment. The energy in your space is your first treatment, because if you're dysregulated, like you were saying, that patient can't regulate because they're feeling physiologically, your your dysregulation. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, and, and you know, the, the system at least, you know, in Canada is, is is designed in such a way, it's, it's industrialized. So, you know, family physicians for instance, they have, you know, no more than seven minutes per patient. You know, uh, visit nurses are so overwhelmed, uh, with, you know, with, with work, with patient loads, they don't have time to sit and connect with a patient. So, you know, here we are in a moment in time where science is revealing so much about ourselves and our relationships to each other, revealing the power of compassion as it relates. Not just to to practitioner burnout, but to, to patient outcomes. But yet our system, again, it was designed at a time, it didn't appreciate these things. It's become so industrialized, so focused on efficiency and on numbers that we are unable to truly leverage and capitalized on compassion. We, we can't, we can't use all this new, you know, this emerging science to create a robust, um, you know, and I would even say a, a more proactive and preventative approach to medicine because we are a disease driven model. Um, of, I don't even want, you know, we call it healthcare, but here we are, you know, it's like a paradox, but it's, um. You know, we, we, we do need to change. We need to change with the times. And, um, I think what the more people understand and tune into the heart, the science of the heart, that's like the first chapter, so that we can begin to reframe medicine in a way of understanding energy and connection and our connection to the whole, to something much greater than ourselves. And from that perspective, I think we can really cultivate, you know, a true, robust, um, system for, for healing and for care. Yeah, I think if, if we just know we're being held by something greater that's compassionate and loving and not out to get us, you know, some people call it the universe. Some people call it God, you know, whatever beliefs that people have. I truly believe that having that peace of that can support the nervous system just to know that you're, you know. A benevolent force, whatever it may be, can help with the nervous system from that standpoint. And we don't, like, we just don't talk about it in medicine'cause it's been considered woo or whatever it may be. I mean, I use that terminology just to get people to understand how we can blend the, the two, but there's, there's so much in that, but it is, it is tough. So what would you say if somebody's listening, and maybe they are a practitioner that is working and has seven minutes with a client. I mean, how can they, how, what would you suggest for that person who maybe doesn't have that time? Um, I would, I, I would say to them, look, we need to recognize first and foremost. Become aware of the power of the heart. So to recognize that in 30 seconds you can literally learn how to tune in to the heart to shift your physiology. I mean, this isn't, what, what we're talking about is not just about feeling good. This is literally a, a physiologic shift that balances your brain and your body so that it will unlock your potential. So if you're, you know, a physician and you're, you know, meeting your 30th patient of the day by starting that in that conversation, that moment with the patient, with 30 seconds of getting centered in your heart. Not only refreshes your own mental and physical, you know, moment for the patient, but it helps establish a space that you and your patient are now gonna share together. It creates this moment of connection, and so the more that we just simply become aware of our own energy and you become aware that our energy is gonna affect others, then that may be the impetus for practitioners say, you know what? I will start with 30 seconds or one minute. Because just having that ability to hear and to listen to a patient perhaps may make the, the, the whole difference in how that patient is not only gonna be received, but how I'm going to identify what is really at the, you know, the, the issue with this person and, and to be clear. I really believe that as a practitioner, you know, physician, like we're not healing people. We're, we're in a position to support an individual's healing. Mm-hmm. And so, and again, it goes back to appreciating how you manage your own energy and how your energy's gonna engage with a patient is part of the process that's gonna help unlock the healing process of another, of that, of that person, that patient. And so, you know, if, if we are confined to the limitations of an antiquated model, I believe the first step is to empower yourself with the knowledge, with a simple understanding. If you, you wanna dive deep into the physiology of, of, you know, heart coherence and heart brain entrainment. Sure. Fill your boots. But at the end of the day, by just simply becoming aware that there is. Something powerful about the heart and learning a very simple technique. And the more that you practice it, it's like a muscle. So the more that you practice, the easier it becomes, the more effective it, you know, it comes Dr. Herbert Benson from Harvard, you know, famous cardiologist. He called it the relaxation effect where we can literally consciously put ourselves into an optimal physiologic state. And I believe every practitioner needs to understand this. They need to practice it for themselves and for the benefit of their, of their patients. And I think that is the first baby step that will eventually lead us down a path of changing the healthcare system. Yeah, I, I love what you said about we're not, you know, we are guiding them. You know, we're, we're here at least the evidence-based medicine is the practitioner's experience research, and then the patient. We forget about the patient all the time in evidence-based medicine, it's, if they don't wanna do something, it doesn't matter what research said. It doesn't matter, uh, your experience, it has to do with what that person wants. And so I, I feel as practitioners and that, including myself, I feel we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to like heal people or get people better faster. And it's, they're a part, we're a part of their journey. And the way I look at it when, you know, is I'm thankful that I'm a part of their journey. Journey, but I don't, it's not my journey, it's theirs. And that can take some, that can give some compassion to the practitioner of being like, Hey, it's okay if you don't. You're not gonna get everybody better. It, it's just medicine. It's not, doesn't mean you're a bad practitioner, it just means that you're human. And that person may not have been ready to receive that. Maybe your energies weren't aligning, maybe, who knows? Maybe they just wanted to be given a pill and you're not that practitioner that's gonna do that. And so, kind of going back to what you were saying, what would be like something they could do? I mean, would you say like a grounding practice, like kind of breathing through their diaphragm before they go into, um, a, you know, a treatment session or a patient visit. What would you say? What would be a nice grounding technique for them? So, um, you're right, the breath is so powerful. So by taking slow, deep breaths and a right, and an even rhythm. Allows it, it, it entrains your, your nervous system. It entrains the heart rate variability. So if you could take, you know, even a three slow deep breaths, you know, inhaling for five to seven, maybe even 10 seconds, and then exhaling for the same, you are very quickly helping reboot your system. You know, kind of re re you know, energizing your, your, your system. And when you take those breaths, if you can place your awareness on your heart center, you know, simply by perhaps imagining that breath flowing through your heart, perhaps just becoming aware of the spaciousness that you can feel. And with every con, you know, with every outbreath, can you drop deeper into the spaciousness that stillness, the void of the heart, and can you reach further? Into the heart that awareness of stillness and spaciousness in the heart center activates the heart. And, and that can really, um, you know, help with cortisol levels. It helps, um, increase, you know, DHEA levels. And so it helps rebalance your hormones, your system, and inevitably, you know, with, particularly with practice, people notice like, wow, like it's a game changer. It just helps you connect, helps you ground and stay present. Yeah, I love that because it's basically we have to show our body that it's safe. Our body speaks a different language than the way you and I speak to each other. It'd be nice if our body was like, Hey, do this. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be such a, a treat. But that's not the way it works. And so tuning in and really feeling that breath, what is it doing to your body? And I think that this is so important, why we need to understand the physiology. I know that in um, in different practices, like in pt, we'll be like, oh, that send a send to a lymphatic person, or you send to vestibular this. And I'm like, well, we need to have a basic understanding of how these systems work because if we don't, we can't. Physiologically teach people about their bodies, just even understanding the lymphatic system and fascia. And if we can explain that to people,'cause people might think, oh, well, uh, if there's no point in me exercising, there's no point in me just walking around, maybe the hospital outside or wherever you're working, even if it's just for 10 minutes, but you're pumping lymph through your body. You can visualize what's happening to your body. It's help pumping that to the lymph nodes, which is helping reduce toxins in your, in your body. And we're getting blood flow and stabilizing blood sugar and just understanding how we work physiologically as a practitioner, as from a base level, because then we can visualize that in our bodies and be like, what is happening? Oh, my lungs are filling. Wait, which part of my lung is filling? Yeah, that, that's so important, Mary, that's so important. I'm, I'm, you know. You look back at what Einstein, he said, you know, basically imagination is the highest form of intelligence. Mm-hmm. And when you look at what research is showing, like even, you know, going back to Dr. John Kabat Zins, some of his initial work, you know, the godfather of mindful based stress reduction therapy. His work was looking at patients with psoriasis, an inflammatory skin condition and testing to see, well, if people learn how to quiet the mind, get into this mindful state, and then use their imagination to visualize the cells in that inflammatory state and how the light is healing those cells at a molecular level. If people could imagine this with a little bit of education, well the research shows compared to the control group, these people were healing up to four times faster. And you know, for those, you know, following, you know, there's just. So much work showing that well, actually your intentions and the more knowledge that you have, the more that you are actually consciously modulating your genetic expression. So to your point, the more that we can learn about ourselves, the more that we can imagine, and the more agency, the more healing, um, can be cultivated and can will stem from that. Now, one of the things that I, I, I, I appreciate in the world of medicine is that, you know, practitioners are just over overwhelmed themselves. I mean, we're dealing with a, with an, a burnout epidemic, a a degree of compassion fatigue that we've never seen before in, in, in, in medicine. And yet, here we are, here, we are talking about, wow, we need to learn more about energy. We need to reframe and, and we need to share with our patients so that they can better learn. So one of the things. We've created to help this process is to provide like a, a, a referral, you know, uh, offering so that physicians who don't have perhaps the tools or the time to share this information with patients. They can refer them to an online offering that provides them with this basic understanding, provide them with the, the techniques to, to induce this physiologic state of, of heart coherence. And I. Here are free tools so that you can actually measure your heart coherence in real time so that you can, you know, uh, track your progress and improve your, your, your own personal training so that eventually when these patients come back to your office, you know, that 30 seconds at, at the, at the start of your engagement with the patient could perhaps now be done in partnership with each other. With that sense of connection and, and both now understanding, well, what's happening, what's taking place? Your nervous systems are now like a symphony synchronizing together, and now we're here for each other. How can we support each other in this process? And that, I think is where, again, that's where real healing, um, and, and real change can, will come about. Yeah. I, I truly believe that when people, people just wanna be heard. They just wanna be heard. They are dismissed day in, day out, everywhere in life right now. I mean, it is in healthcare, you know, even when I go to a store, I'm not greeted, you know, I'm, I'm ignored. And it's just the basic human decencies are just not common anymore. And, and if we can just, even if we have seven minutes with somebody and we can refer them to, Hey, there's this platform that, you know, Dr. Mitch has, that they can learn from, or, or just validating, Hey, you know, your symptoms are real, but I think you might need to see this person. Those are all healing experiences, even though we, we might think. Oh, I didn't do anything. But you did. We sat there, we listened, we heard. And it doesn't take much. I mean, I just wanna be greeted, just, hi Mary, how are you doing? You know, I, it's basic things and, and people are not used to that. And if we can think of it from a different lens of, yes, I have seven minutes, but maybe I can go in and maybe I can give them a resource because this resource worked for me. Or tell them about a book or something along those lines. And then there's, you know, practitioners like myself that were out of the insurance model. So we get to be able to converse more with patients in that capacity, which is even more important that we're regulated'cause we have this extended period of time with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And, you know, the, this, this understanding of connection I think is so important. I mean, we're, you know, yes, it's important in the setting of patient care in the office, but then we're at a whole level of, well, look what's going on in our communities. Look, what's, what's going on on campuses. There's such a degree of social divide. And if, you know, people don't think that that's triggering, you know, your, the limbic system and the amygdala. Well, you know, this is part of the, you know, the, the, the conversation around health and wellbeing and what I think is fascinating in this moment in time as we better understand energy, as we understand the science of the heart, and we begin to recognize, um, our interconnectedness. This has, um, huge ramifications. How we address community health and wellbeing from, you know, everything you know, starts at, you know, it, it starts with healthcare in, in the, in the clinic, in the patient engagement. But the implications of where this information and where these practices lead is to the level of global health. Mm-hmm. And we now have technology that's available to us to measure the global heartbeat. We can actually measure heart synchronizing, not just in, you know, the patient practitioner relationship, but on a global scale. We can now begin to witness how our heart rhythm synchronized and how the energy that we're feeding a field of energy that we're all sharing, we're all influencing a, a field of energy and we're all being influenced by it. And when as we begin to better appreciate this deep relationship. With each other. It allows us to reframe how are we gonna move forward in a world of such divide? How can we feel this deep under, you know, this, understand this unified reality, this truth, and yet we're living day by day in a world that makes us feel so separated and, and perhaps even worse, you know, such a, a, a, a dislike for one another. So we, we need to now address the issues of this disconnect from each other, this divide, and help us appreciate the unit, this, this fundamental truth. And how are we gonna now move towards reconciliation? How are we gonna. Get to this point of connection. And the science of heart really does allow people to not only claim inner agency, but as they begin to feel a deep connection to themselves. It's an inevitable unfolding. A sequela, you know, if, if you like, of understanding and, and of, of feeling a wider degree of compassion for, for another. And because these stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves and the stories about another begin to slowly dissolve. They be, they begin to, you know, uh, become less and less loud. More irrelevant because a truth emerges from within. And we can see each other now. And one of the, the beautiful things is that since we can now measure it, now, a global community can now witness like, wow, there's a global heartbeat that's emerging and I'm a part of that heartbeat. How do they measure that? So there's, um, so HeartMath is an organization, right? I'm, I'm sure many people, um, listening will be familiar with them. But they're the global leaders when it comes to the science of psychophysiology. And so they have, um, technology, they have magnetometers around the world that literally is, is measuring the TIC field around this planet. And so not only so they're, they're measuring the field. Energy of the planet. And at the same time, we can use our cell phones as real time individual biofeedback tools. So as you practice and you, and you cultivate wellbeing, you're also measuring how much coherence that you're feeding the field environment. So on an individual level, we can now measure how much energy that we as individuals are feeding the field. And these global magnetometers. On the other end of the spectrum is looking at, well how, what about the energy around this planet? And it turns out that when we cultivate this state of coherence, our heart rate variability patterns are identical with the fluctuations of the mimetic field of this planet. We have a inner, you know, our resonant frequency, if you wanna think of it that way. Our resonant frequency, which is known in the literature and in the research to show that. This actually supports our physical, mental, and emotional wellbeing. It just so happens to overlap with the inherent frequency of the first tic field line of this planet. So from that perspective, we can begin to measure the heart coherence and that heartbeat of a global community, however. So would it, oh, go ahead. Didn't interrupt. Yeah. Well, I was just gonna say then there's another level that's being measured, and this is the Global Conscious Project and the Global Conscious Project, which was started um, by a gentleman, a Dr. Roger Nelson at Princeton University, who's now retired and he's handed it off to HeartMath. So Dr. Roland McCrady is, is now the lead scientist. So now they're studying through random event generators, which are like little mini computers that are spinning out one and zero, you know, like multiple times a second. And it's a 50 50 chance, it's a one or a zero, and it's literally the result of measuring the energy of electrons in the quantum field. So it's fluctuations that are random events, and they've noticed that when you place your awareness. Your intention on one of these event generators, your thoughts, your intention has an impact on the output of these devices. So now there's, today there's thousands of these random event generators scattered around this planet, and all of these ones and zeros are being funneled back into a central database. And when you look at it in any given moment, you, you just, you look at it and it's all noise.'cause not no one generator is connected to another. So it's just all, you know, everyone's flipping coins, you know, around the planet. However, when there's moments in time, when you know groups of people are focused at the same time, with the same thought, with an emotional charge, all of those event generators are not random anymore. They're synchronized, they're all ones or they're all zeros. And so now we can measure how our collective consciousness is having an impact and it's measurably impacting our physical world. And this isn't just, you know, and as like, oh wow, this is interesting, but you know, what's, what's, what are the implications involved? Is there any real world impact? And it turns out absolutely there is. If we go back, you know, for decades there've been people academically studying the, uh, collective intention. And, you know, one example I love to use is, uh, Dr. Charles Alexander, a Harvard psychologist during the 1980s, him and his colleagues, they hypothesized that if you come together and you meditate collectively with an intention, you create coherence that we could measurably, you know, reduce conflict and. During the Lebanese Civil War, they actually saw a direct impact of these, these collective, you know, these, these groups meditating together that reduced, um, you know, fatality rates during these moments of coherence. I mean, up to, you know, 71%. And, and, you know, uh, injuries were reduced. Uh, you know, I think like up to like, you know, uh, 64%. I mean, it's just these aren't slim margins. And these results were, these were peer reviewed results published in Yale's reputable Journal of Conflict Resolution. So. For decades we've been ident, you know, studying the power of intention. But to your point, it was so woo woo, nobody would dare, nobody in the scientific community would dare talk about, you know, this and be taken seriously. But I think now because of the quantum physics that people are being to appreciate and because of the 2022 Nobel Prize, I think it's time that we re, you know, we reexamine with new eyes, with an open mind to say, perhaps it's not such a phenomenon that this actually occurs. Perhaps the bigger phenomenon is that we're not actually leveraging and, and using this power of the collective intention for good on this planet. Wow. I have so many questions because basically were you describing like the quantum field? Is that what you're describing? With the measuring, because I, I need you to break it down for me a little bit. Okay. So they have the generators. Where are those, are those in the atmosphere? Are they on the ground where, how does, they're on the, they're on the grant. In fact, I have one, so, oh, what there's, yeah, there's global, like citizen scientists they call it. So anybody could actually call up or go on HeartMath website and you could sign up, um, you receive one of these random event generators. I have one in my closet and it's just generating, constantly, generating data. Okay. And all of that data is, so it's, it's measuring the coherence here in my immediate environment. And at the same time, it's being collected into a global pool of data from all the other event generators, which is now, you know, measuring the global level. Of, of coherence. I see. And so how is it measuring you? Is it when you're near it, is it your heart rate variability tracker? Well, that, that's, I mean, this is what's now being delineated. Okay. In science, because the quantum field is non-local. So if you, if we, if we were to look at field environments Yeah. We can kind of, you know, I like to break it down to, into two buckets. You have the local and the non-local. So locals, you know, pretty inherent, you know, intuitive, you know, if you're with a patient, the energy and the gratitude that you're experiencing emotionally is radiating a, a particular frequency of heart rate variability. And that's being radiated out through your biotic field, interacting with another person's field and their heart. And so very local. Okay. So the one we were talking about before, like the four feet. Okay, okay. Gotcha. On that. So that's, that's, you know, local. But then there's the non-local perspective. You know, I mean, when you think of times, many people have experiences where you're thinking of somebody that you haven't spoken to in a long time, then boom, they call. Yeah. You know, there's something non-local taking place, meaning that there's information in the environment, the universe, whatever you want to call it, and you're connected to it. You have access to that information. And Dr. McCrady, if you look at some of his work, it, it's, it's incredible. Like he actually has shown in his work how the heart accesses information before it occurs. Our perceived moment of real time, like the heart is responding to an, to an event that's about to happen, you know, let's say four to six seconds in advance. And other people's research have shown that the more attuned you are to your body's sensations, the more intuitive you are, right? Yes. So we're starting to put the pieces together, how our hearts and our body are like receivers. We are engaging, we are part of a, we're emerging from a non-local field of information. And so we can learn to access this information. Um, how it specifically happens, I think we're still playing around looking at it and trying to identify specific causes, but I think, um, you know, it. There's multiple ways, there's multiple things happening all at once. But it, it is very exciting. Oh my gosh. So exciting. So exciting. You broke it down for me.'cause quantum physics has always been like so fascinating and just thinking about tapping into that field and, you know, understanding manifestation and how it's not woo woo because you're literally tapping into a collective consciousness and having things, you know, having a certain mindset about something too can also make it manifest in life as well because you're putting it out into the collective consciousness for that to happen. And I know that some people think that's woo, but it's. I've dismissed this stuff as woo in the past because it sounded so cool. I wanted so badly to believe it that it was just easier to reject it.'cause I was like, there's no way, there's no way this is happening. But the quantum healing, that's where we're headed in, in medicine. And, and I think it's, it's also funny too, I don't understand how the quantum physics and everything interacts, but if you think about it, we literally can access people from around the world within seconds on our iPhones. But yet we don't wanna believe that we are tapped into this greater consciousness of of, of how it all works. I'm like, if we look down, we're literally, you and I are talking, you're in Canada, I'm in Texas. I mean the fact that we have these things, we have self-driving cars now. I don't know if you're having them in Canada, but we're having'em here in Austin and it's here. Yeah, it's, it's, it's whether we wanna accept this as practitioners or not, because the sooner the earlier adapters, the more we can get earlier adapters, the more we can collectively move our consciousness to rise up in a way where we don't have to live in this fear. We don't have to live in this chaotic state that the rest of the world seems to be in constantly, and social media perpetuates that. But social media can also be a beautiful thing and, and provide resources so people like you and I can spread the word, um, about what we're discussing here, but it's, I believe so much of it is discernment too, of like what to listen to and, and guidance on where do I wanna put my time and effort and, and what, what is most of my day doing? Am I scrolling social media or am I connecting with people I love? Or am I tapping into my intuition? I like to think of, um. Like for me, when I'm sitting and wanting to do work stuff and be creative, I literally have to sit when I'm just trying to get it done. I don't, I don't get shit done. I have to sit and, and ground myself so my body feels like it's safe so I can download the messages coming in. And so that way what comes out, it's really fascinating'cause then you see it hit on social media and you see it just connect. And I, my mind's just been kind of blown understanding how to tap into that.'cause stuff will just hit and I'm like, oh, that just came to me. That wasn't something that was so hard to get out. It was, it was easy. Yeah. It was almost like it was al it was always there. Yes. How do we quiet the mind? I mean, the mind, the brain is really, I look at it as it is. It's, it's just, uh, computing information. And, and the, the, the information that I is, it's, it's consciousness. It's all, it's everywhere. It, it's part of the whole. And we just learn how to receive. You know, Einstein said, look, I equals mc squared. I didn't make that up. That's not a manmade idea. You know, thought this is a universal truth. And I just learned how to quiet my mind to become aware of that truth. And every single genius from Nicole at Tesla, Buckminster full, like all of the geniuses in the world, they all come to the same conclusion. That they're just simply a channel. They're just simply rece a receiver. And so, to your point, you know, if we try so hard with, you know, to like, I gotta get this done. I gotta write, I, you know, it's like my brain. I'm using my brain. It doesn't come from the brain. Um mm-hmm. It, it comes from the heart, it comes from the consciousness of the whole. And I just also wanna just share that. For those listening, like be clear. Uh, you know, before my surgery, I would be the last person you'd expect having this conversation with you. Same. I I was not that guy. Yeah. Not that guy. And, and to, and I was just, it, to me it was all bullshit. Meditation, bullshit. But, you know, experiencing it, you know, look from, from a scientific perspective, examining the science, but then from my own personal journey, it's like I feel like there's, I have a duty. Like I, you know, and, and to share this and to share if I could just, even if I can change one person to see energy from this viewpoint, because it, it, it's so empowering. It, it, it will change people's lives. It's inevitable. And, um, you know, I think, I think people are coming to this conclusion on their own. And I feel that we're now. Either getting to that point or we've already crossed a threshold where there's enough people on this planet that have already are now tuned in. So that what we need today is a platform so that when we practice for ourselves, we're also practicing for the love of common humanity and it's measurable so we can witness it. And I believe through the arts, and this is, you know, part of the work that we do is by infusing this education and this moment of transformation with the arts, so that we can document, we can archive, share the stories that are transforming our global perspective, we can spark a Renaissance approach to change. Make it tangible. We can capture the en energy, amplify it, make it more visible and tangible. I think this will break barriers and start building those bridges in our ca on campuses and in our communities that will change our global, you know, our, our trajectory. Yeah, I love it. I love all of it because like you said, I mean, I feel like I'm a messenger. I've just felt called to something big my whole life, and I've never really known what it was. It just, it just always was in there and cancer seemed like my body failing me, but it was waking me up in a way that I'm so thankful to have this outlook from the age of 33. Um, and I'm almost 39 now, and it's just, I'm just so, so thankful for it because. It's a message that I just, I can't hold in anymore. I, it's not about me, it's about getting people to understand it. If I need to be criticized in my field for a bit until people start awakening to this, then so be it. Um, I'm ready for it. I've had to do enough work to realize that, but I, I, this is where we're headed, where there's just no way. We're not, there's so much pain in the day-to-day world that if we're not awakening to, if you're sitting there being like, what is the point of life? There has to be more than this. It's because your body does not like the environment that you're in. It wants you to expand. It wants you to see something bigger. Like what are the things you've dreamed about? Or we don't even daydream anymore. You know, like expand big, like, think massive, not just this, this, oh, I wanna just get my next job. Promotion. No, I mean, what is your dream life like, how do you wanna show up? What is it that you would like to see in this world? And when you can do that, I mean, your life changes. I mean, sure. There are days where I drop back in and I kind of lose, lose that like a few days ago I was feeling that way. And then, you know, kind of coming back and meeting people like yourself, um, it fires me back up.'cause I'm like, oh shit. Like this is it, you know? This is what we're doing. And, and it's, it's here. And like you were saying, I was the last person to be talking about stuff like this. I think deep down I always wanted to be an inner hippie. I didn't know how to, how to tap into it, but I like having the science with it. Yeah. Uh, because it's, it's so beautiful. All of this and, and. If people can realize that sometimes our body is sending us messages and we think it's against us, it's saying something, there's something in the, in, in your current environment or life in my experience that I've seen, is your soul's not aligning with where your body's at. Mm-hmm. And your inner soul, your intuition, you know, there's something there. Right. And this is the people, I'd say it's, you know, for the, maybe people that are dealing with chronic health issues and there's no answers or nobody can figure out why kind of thing. That's the way that I look at it is, well, we still address the physical body, right? But like, what else? What caused us to be in this situation in the first place? What dysregulation in our body limited our lymphatic system and, and lymph nodes from killing off these diseases? Right? There was some point of dysregulation that caused our body to kind of flip. I. Yeah, absolutely. And I, you know, going back to, you know, thinking big, I, I, and I'll very often, you know, we, we talk about identifying our own personal sense of sacred purpose. Like we are all designed for greatness. Every human being, like we have such an intelligence within each and every one of us. I believe it's a matter of how much can we nurture each individual and the physical, the mental, the emotional, and the spiritual realm so that we can help unlock the potential that resides within each of us. And, you know, understanding that everyone has a gift. Everybody has a, a, a purpose. And I think when you find your purpose and you can weave in passion, I think it, it's the, the ingredients for success Now. To your point, you had talked about, you know, our, our, our social infrastructure, alluding to how our communities are designed in a way, it's like a doggy dog, like mm-hmm. It's designed on like a monopoly game. Mm-hmm. And many, you know, I, you know, I taught, I like to share, like, it feels to me, it's like, well, there's only a few players that seem to hold all the power. Yeah. They own, they own all the assets and, and really it's like a stale, it's like a rigged game at this point. And so here we are, like an old shoe. It doesn't fit. We're so focused on survival. It doesn't allow us to recognize our true potential. It doesn't allow us to nurture ourselves and to help nurture other people when it's me, me, me, you know, and, and sometimes look, it's, this is again, a survival consciousness, you know, and I don't, you know, not to blame it. It's not about blaming or shaming. This is just like a reality that we're been thrown into. We've been born into this old system. But again, the moment we recognize a truth, the moment we recognize that we're bigger than what we used, think of ourselves as is that the old stories just don't apply anymore. What do we do now? Here we are sitting in an a, an old system that doesn't fit. It doesn't allow us to feel alive. It even prevents us from dreaming, I mean, without dreaming As, as we talked about, Einstein said that a dream, that imagination is core to intelligence. It is core to creation. So it it's stifling us. It's choking us. And you know, I I what I, what I see in the very near future is that as we begin to witness this global heartbeat, you can check out global heart sync.org. We're starting to measure it. We we're, we're, we're turning collective coherence into sponsorship so that we can provide mental health and resilience and communities in need. As we begin to shift the conversation, we can begin to celebrate the recognition of, of wholeness on a, on a global scale. But when you use music and art, it creates not only a celebration, but it helps us identify how we can create new systems, new community health, infrastructure, um, new ways to engage with each other. In a way that looks very different than today. Right now we're like, you know, eight, it's like a slave driven model. Everyone's burned out. Mm-hmm. There's no balance, work-life balance. And that's not, that's not the way that we're designed to be. Mm-hmm. And there's no reason why we have to be like this. There's no reason why there's more than enough people on this planet to create systems that are more aligned, that, that allow us to thrive, that allow us to flourish and allow us to live life through passion and a sense of purpose. There's no point. The only my belief system is that right now that, you know, the very few players that own everything hold all the power. Well, nobody wants to give up that power. Everybody wants, everyone wants to control These people want that hold and they want to, to manipulate. Stories they wanna manipulate the and, and the social conditioning that's involved and in the media. And I think now people are awakening to it. And it's just an, it's like a transformation, a caterpillar to butterfly where collectively we're emerging. Now, you know, people are individually finding their wings staring to emerge in the world. And I, and I think as we do this together, particularly through a platform that can witness an emergence of a global heartbeat, it's inevitable. An old system is slowly going to wither away. It's gonna change, but a new system is gonna emerge. And again, you know, using art that helps people identify systems of energy of the natural world, when you use that as your blueprint to create new systems and new workflows, uh. That's more conducive to our true nature. Now you're talking about a system designed to thrive and a system that is designed to support you in a way that you need to be supported. I love that because I mean, it's, it's so easy if we're on social media, we're not tapping into our intellect. We're going to work, chugging a bunch of coffee, sitting at our computer all day, not getting up, not moving. Come home, watch tv, go to bed, repeat. There is no time for our intellect to come in. There's no capabilities for the downloads to happen. And, and people are starting to realize, I think there's a lot of golden handcuffs happening. Es especially with some of the clients that I treat, is that it's hard to walk away because the money's so good. But, you know, if we look at wealth, it's not just money, it's time. It's ener, you know, it's your own energy, it's your health, it's your relationships. And you're starting to see the shift, even in the workplace. I, I don't know the exact numbers, but people are leaving jobs not because of pay, but because of culture, but because they don't feel like they're adding value to the, to something bigger. And, and you're seeing this in like really shitty, you know, experiences when you go to restaurant, like, not restaurants, but just like businesses, like people aren't, they're not passionate about it. So you're gonna get shit. Service. And so you see people almost starting businesses that they're not passionate about, but they're good at and, and then they're making the money, but then they're like, okay, you know, that's a zone of excellence, I think, um, what they call it. And then the zone of genius is what you were just talking about is like your creativity, like your intellect, like your inte, it goes with the creativity and then what you're good at and how when those come together, it's, it's incredible. We have so many people living in their zone of gen excellence where they're really good at it, but they're not passionate about it and their soul's dying because they're just, I mean, not actually dying, but it's more of Why am I not happy? Well, we were told you, you grow up, you get married, you have kids, you have the white picket fence, you get this corporate job, you have 401k, and then you, you retire and you die. I mean, that's miserable. I don't, I don't want that. Like, yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, the, the idea of living a life of mediocracy. You know, going, going through the motions. And I think what you just described speaks, you know, speaks directly to what a lot of, um, health practitioners are experiencing where they're just going through the motions, you know? Um, they're, they're pick, they're taking the paycheck. And, and don't get me wrong, yes, you are helping people along the way, but I see it more as bandaid solutions that creates a revolving door, and we just can't keep up. We can't keep up as a practitioner, you know, given the degree of burnout. Um, and we can't keep up our, our infrastructure, our healthcare system, I hate to say it. Mm-hmm. It, it, it can't, it cannot sustain itself. It cannot support the growing numbers and the needs because it was just such a reactive system. And we're stuck in that, you know, that hamster wheel, we're just stuck. And, um, yeah, well I think so many people in the states are like, oh, it's just US healthcare. I'm like, no, this is global. Like, there's no country that has it figured out, you know, and we all have our struggles and, and it's what you're basically, you know, what we were just talking about is just, we're alluding to the fact that the old world and the old systems are dying and people that benefited from those systems are fighting. Tooth and nail to keep them alive, right? The greed, the power, the control, all of the things. When as we rise up in our collective consciousness, those people lose their power because we're not giving them their power anymore. You know? And you're seeing this in certain industries or people are stopping to buy products'cause they're like, oh, well I'm not gonna do that. And you see their stocks drop and then people are like, oh wow. Actually, yeah, people are powerful.'cause if you think about the, you know, maybe a hundred people that control the world, I mean, how many of people are there? So if we collectively didn't give them their power, right? And we found our own, there's, there's so much beauty in that and, and I think it's just kind of, for me, it's observing from it and be like, okay, I see the old world dying off. And with that there's gonna be resistance. But as we all collectively rise up, you know, that's gonna be a beautiful shift. And who knows how long that will take. But I do think it's gonna be in my lifetime. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And the more that we collectively bring awareness to this, and even if you're listening to this, you're like, I don't know what they're saying half the time, that's okay. Just know that you have a choice of the way you look at your life and the, and you have this deep intellect that you may have not even tapped into, and you have gifts just because somebody else might be doing something. It's not your voice, it's not how it's coming from you. Right? We need more people out there starting businesses or being in the community that are good hearted people that are giving, that are wanting to still, you know. Still make an impact while making a really good living. It's, it's totally possible. Absolutely. And there's so many good people that are staying small because, oh, I, you know, I can't, or this, or that. I'm like, well, the, the shitty people, they're doing it. So, yeah. So what you do Yeah. And you know it when you, when you frame it from a, from a perspective of where we are today. Mm-hmm. I mean, here we are. We've got artificial intelligence online, radically changing our world. We have technology that's already insane and is only gonna get exponentially more insane with ai. Um, we have the tools and we have now this knowledge, right? The, the 2022 Nobel Prize. It's the game changer, right? That, that it's, it's not about you versus me, it's an us. It's a we. So when you start combining the tools with the knowledge, and you have a generation of youth. That have been born into this age of technology that do not feel like they are, they're, they're confined or constrained by the container of, of, of this social infrastructure that they've been born into. They, they believe in change. They're, they believe that, you know, one app can change an entire industry. You know, that you, so they begin to understand that they have all the power and they are the global purchasing power. And the brands all depend on this on, on the, on this group. So as we begin having these conversations and as, and as many people are, and as we begin to better understand, you know, a, a, a deeper reality that is, that we're just currently blinded by because of the perceived. You know, perception, the, the perception of, of how we see ourselves as separate beings. But when we begin to better understand ourselves, this generation is not beholden to, to what we are living today. And this is where things get very exciting because one app, you know, a bit of technology and we can create completely different social infrastructure systems. There's nothing holding us back. And the youth, it's, it's in the power, uh, in the hands of the youth. Now, one of the, one of the issues that we have to address. Is the mental health epidemic that youth are experiencing. And again, this comes down to understanding the heart, understanding, coherence, claiming interagency, and shifting that people can rise above, can address their own health, physically, mentally, emotionally. And through that, there's also an expansion of awareness and connection and compassion, and that this is where innovation and creativity comes from. So these are the tools that will allow people that, particularly they use to say, look, let's, let's create a new future. There's no point in, in perpetuating an old system that, that ultimately is making us sick. Totally. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's making us sick. And, and it's, I love this conversation because it's giving, it's gonna give people hope Right now. So many people are hopeless. With what's happening in the world. And I see opportunity, I see, I see shifting happen, and you have to pull yourself out and almost look at it from like a five D perspective. So you're not like in yourself, you're just looking above, observe as if you're watching a movie. Right. You know, like something's gonna shift with, with a lot of pain and change. There's gonna be an upshift to this as well. And I am, I'm just excited to be a part of it all. And, um, thank you so much for coming on today. Would you like to tell everyone how they can learn about your programs and, and how they can reach you? Yeah. Sure. Well, you can more than happy to, to, um, visit our website. So NextGen Health Solutions and, um, this not-for-profit initiative, the global heart sync.org, this is where we are starting to share with people, um, the power of the heart, how to practice providing people with the tools. And as you practice for your own self, you can now practice for the common humanity where we are literally translating coherence points into corporate sponsorships so that we can provide mental health into local communities and just continue raising the coherence for individuals, their communities, and the world. So I encourage everyone to check it out, join and just begin tapping into the power of your heart. I love that. Well, thank you so much. It was such an awesome conversation. I'm excited to share this with everyone. Amazing. Thank you so much. I love the, uh, love the conversation.

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