Episode 61: From Scarcity to Abundance: Money, Grief, and Growth with Mary Dee

What begins as a conversation about money mindset turns into a powerful reflection on how we show up for ourselves and others, especially in a time where the world can feel heavy, chaotic, or even hopeless. We explore how our struggles with money often mirror other parts of our lives—like boundaries, control, jealousy, and grief—and how those "annoying people" or triggering moments are often mirrors revealing where we still have work to do.

If you’ve ever wondered how to stay grounded, generous, and connected when everything feels overwhelming—or how to move from scarcity into alignment—this episode is for you.

Mary Dee joins us. She is a dog Mom, chocoholic, best selling author of Asian Women Who Boss Up, host of the Mad Love Your Life Show, and a trusted business advisor and Conscious Closure Coach who helps businesses and individuals transitioning through break ups, and major life event transitions like divorce, break ups and layoffs.

💡 What You’ll Learn:

• How money is an energetic relationship—and not just a number in your bank account
• Why scarcity mindset keeps you stuck (and how to shift it without toxic positivity)
• How to define wealth on your own terms so you’re not chasing someone else’s version of success
• The surprising connection between nervous system regulation, trauma, and money flow
• Why grief, jealousy, and even annoying coworkers can be mirrors for growth
• How to show up as a healing force in your community—even when the world feels chaotic
• Real talk on entrepreneurship, hustle culture, and what it really means to live in alignment
• The power of gratitude, connection, and presence as tools for financial and emotional healing

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:57 Meet Mary D: Background and Expertise

01:30 Understanding Money as an Energetic Relationship

02:45 Diving into Money Mindset

04:34 The Emotional Impact of Money

06:16 Defining Personal Wealth and Success

16:40 The Importance of Community and Connection

30:18 Exploring Judgment and Jealousy

31:25 The Power of Gratitude and Connection

35:50 Navigating Financial Scarcity

45:50 Embracing Presence and Gratitude

48:19 The Role of Grief in Gratitude

51:47 Finding Joy Amidst Chaos

55:31 Filling Your Own Cup First

56:38 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

You can find Mary Dee on IG @themarydee and all other platforms

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You can also find her website here https://www.marydee.net

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Transcript

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Welcome back to TMI talk with Dr. Mary. I'm your host, Dr. Mary. In this episode, we start talking a bit about money mindset, but what it really turns into is a powerful reflection of how we show up for ourselves and others in this world. We explore our own struggles with money and how that can mirror other aspects of our lives, like boundaries, control, jealousy, and you might be wondering, how does this relate to midlife or perimenopause? But it really relates because it's an inadvertent way of looking at health, right? The way we think about money and the way we think about taking care of ourselves is a direct reflection of deeper rooted beliefs that we have. And I believe as women, we tend to take care of everybody else but ourselves and put our health on the back burner'cause we can feel guilty or shame about it. And I've seen this where people saying, oh, I can't, you know, I have to focus on my business, or, feeling guilty that they're paying for their own health and taking care of their bodies. But the reality is, is this is where true wealth is. And if, if you have resources and you have the money, but you have. A limited money mindset that can really impair us from getting a lot of different resources that we need during midlife or during the transition of perimenopause. And so I thought it was important to bring on Mary d to talk about this.'cause I believe she's a really good. Outlook on understanding money mindset, but also it bleeds into different aspects of our lives. So understanding our control with money often mirrors other parts of our lives. So boundaries, control, jealousy, grief, how all of these are triggering moments, often mirroring the different things that we have to work with in ourselves. We also discuss grief, how when the world can feel heavy and chaotic, how we can feel grounded in this time. I think this is super important because this addresses, nervous system regulation and so I just really enjoyed this episode'cause it challenges us to look inward and understand ourselves in a different way that isn't traditional health. You know, we think of health as protocols and all this westernized culture of what health is, when a true health is intuitively understanding your body and understanding how to use the resources to get you feeling your best during this time, or supported during this time. Mary d is a dog mom, a Chocoholic, a bestselling author of Asian Women Who Boss Up. She's the host of the podcast, mad Love Your Life Show, and a trusted business advisor and conscious closure coach who helps businesses and individuals transition through breakups and major life events like cancer, divorce, and breakups and layoffs. Mary is. A seven year breast cancer survivor who has healed holistically after a double mastectomy. She's an advocate for fresh starts and open hearts. So in this episode, you're gonna learn how money is an energetic relationship, not just a number in your bank account. How scarcity mindset keeps you stuck, and how to shift it without using toxic positivity. How to define wealth on your own terms versus chasing somebody else's version of success. The surprising connection of nervous system regulation, trauma and money flow, white grief, jealousy, and even frustrating people can be mirrors for our inner growth. How to show up as a healing force in our community during tough times. Even when the world feels chaotic. Real talk on entrepreneurship and hustle culture and what it means to live fully in alignment and not just given to hustle culture, the power of gratitude, connection, and presence as tool for financial and emotional healing. So without further ato, we'll jump into the episode.

mary: 3:56

Welcome back to TMI talk with Dr. Mary where we dive into non-traditional forms of health that were once labeled as taboo or dismissed as Woo. I'm your host, Dr. Mary Greenberg. I'm an orthopedic and pelvic floor physical therapist who helps people navigate perimenopause by addressing the fascia. Lymphatic system, musculoskeletal system, viscera and the nervous system. My whole body approach goes beyond hormone replacement therapy, showing how movement and rehab professionals can play a much bigger role in this process. And now we'll start our next episode.

Audio Only - All Participants: 4:28

Welcome to the podcast Mary d. I'm so excited to have you on. Thank you for having me on. Super excited to be here today. I'm excited to chat Money Mindset with you because I feel there's a lot that you can bring to the table in helping people understand money mindset, and I believe that this affects our health as well. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean there are so many e energetic things that affect our health and wellness that not enough people talk about. And I think that money is just one more spot and one more place where people feel it and where it shows up. Um, and also where they're not always aware that it's an area that can also be healed. Well, it's something that I had no idea until I started learning Energetics and, um, one of my favorite books was by Ken Honda and it's Happy Money. And just thinking about it in a different way was really a game changer for me. And it, it gave me permission to invest in my health and in my business in different ways and realizing how much that was a major block and stressor for me. So. For sure, for sure. Money has a way of creating the, a sense of either, uh, security. Or also a trigger for a lot of people. And it's so interesting'cause even as we say the words, I guarantee you there are people that are listening right now that are feeling like a little, their, their body is constricting a little bit when they're, when we're saying, oh, let's talk about money, let's talk about money blocks, let's talk about money openings, let's talk about money. Uh, attraction. Like, there's a lot of, of, of feelings that are happening in people's bodies right now. And some of them are, uh, really positive, I would say even some of them are neutral. Uh, some people have a very neutral relationship with money, and then others are going to feel sort of this energetic, like, Ooh, ooh, I'm, I'm feeling a little, you know, PTSD from what it is or isn't in my bank account right now. And, uh, and it'll be interesting to dive into this today. And, uh, as you guys are listening, I wanna encourage you to just really be, um, open and set an intention for receiving and learning whatever it is that you need to get today. Because some of it might apply to, uh, some of it might apply to you. All of it might apply to you, or I'd say none of it, although I doubt that. I think you're gonna find some little gem that's going to really help you up, upgrade and uh, download what you need to raise your money vibration today. I love that. And, and I've seen a common theme in healthcare and rehab and fitness professionals. We tend to be more tight with money. Um, it's just a theme, not everybody, but I think it's gonna be really exciting for people to, to learn. So, and even in the wellness space too. I mean, it's just, it really is everywhere, to be honest. So we'll just jump into our first question then. Let's go. Okay. So what does it look like or what does it mean to not have a good relationship with money? Hmm. I would say that a, a negative relationship with money looks like it's gonna look different to everyone. I say it like this because think about your personal relationships with people, right? There's a dynamic that typically exists. There's a dynamic we most, most of us have with our caregiver caregivers that we grew up with. There's a dynamic we might have with our spouse or partner. There's a dynamic we might have with our children, our siblings. These are different relationships, and so money is also a relationship, and so you have to think about where does money fall in line? In your life? Is it something that you are constantly thinking about? Is it something that you know is, uh, a means of exchange that just lets you, it's kind of the, the way of the world, right? We, we can't call our mortgage company and say, Hey, we'd like to pay this month, and hugs, will you take that? Because I have, you know, a thousand hugs for you instead of a thousand dollars. Like, unfortunately. They look at a strange, and they, you know, are, are wondering how we even got a mortgage in the first place. So it, it's really important for us to break down this relationship and go, okay, what is my relationship with money? And it's up to each person to define, I. What good or bad means for them? Right. In a great example, my sister, when she was married, um, her husband has passed away. Now, God rest his soul. Uh, but when she was married, she picked a partner who was very masculine, very man of the house, very, uh, like you feed me first, you know, she stayed home, raised kids, cooked, cleaned, and she loved that role. That was the role for her. She was a. Champion. I'm a stay at home mom, and she was, and she was great at it. So in that relationship, they had a dynamic and they had a relationship and she was fine being told what to do most of the time, not really having to make a lot of decisions. She liked that. And so for her, that worked. Now, for someone like me, that's not going to feel good. That's probably not the dynamic that I'm looking for. I'm not looking for something quite that traditional. So this is up to each person to define what does success look like with money? As we start to get aligned with that, we find that we can tap into more joy and also more prosperity and abundance because we're operating in our aligned values and our level of alignment around what definition of success looks like, what definition of having money or not having money, or having abundance. Or not having it looks like, and that is the part that's really the most important here, because the, the, the thing that will show you how much this is true is because you can go into very poor countries. Those is something that we would as a, you know, Americans would consider poor, uh, third world countries. And you will watch people and they will be so full of life and joy and happiness, and yet they have. Very little materialistically speaking, but they might have a big family and they might have healthy children and they might have delicious food on the table. And that's what they do is they share a meal and laugh about the hardships of the day or whatever it is. And I think that part is really, really important to sit with because too often we are given, or we inherit from the media or movies or other people or marketing messages that say that. Wealth and, and money are these things, right? These are the levels of success around them, and I think that that is a slippery slope because we are allowing someone else to dictate what that actually means. And over the years you've also seen things like minimalist movements rise because it's sort of the less is more. Like what if you. Didn't have 5,000 trinkets in your house. You know what, if you had sort of the basics like, would that feel good? What do we actually need at the end of the day? So that is the part that I would say is there's not one answer for this question. It's a very personal question for each person to sit with and say, what does? Success with money actually look like for me. And if you can't answer that question for yourself, you can also start to look around and say, is there someone's life that I would like to pattern my own after? Because it seems to me like they have the joy and they have abundance in all these particular ways that are important to them. And so that would be a clue. That would be a clue, but also to sit with yourself and decide. What is it that's really, really important to you and what feels good for you in terms of how you are personally aligned with money and how do you want to be aligned with money? And some of you out there might be saying, oh, I want really fancy cars and I want a big house, and I want a pool. And I, because I wanna entertain all the time and I always wanna have guests and I want my house flowing with people all the time. Fantastic. No one is gonna poo poo that dream, but get clear about what you want and why you want it. And that's a really, really important place to start because oftentimes when we, when we start to ask ourselves why do we want the thing or why do we need the thing, we can then get real with ourselves around what's the driver for that? And oftentimes when it comes to money in particular, most people are. It's because I wanna keep up with the Joneses. It's'cause I want people to like me. It's because I want this, this, that or the other. And, and oftentimes it might be some more superficial things that. You may realize as you dig through that question are maybe deep seated, seated insecurities. And so it's healing. Whatever money wound might show up in your life is often going in and healing those insecurity wounds or, or identifying that it's an insecurity wound. And that's actually what we're gonna go heal first and we're gonna work on. And then we'll walk, also watch the flow of money open up in our lives. I love that because I think then what we're actually saying is what does wealth look like, right? Not money. And so much of it is, at least in the US, we're just so focused on money is like the end goal. But the amount of times I've seen people work, you know, so many hours at the expense of their marriage, their children's. Soccer games and not spending time with friends and just really, and, and not having time for their health. And then their only bucket that they have is money. So then you might have all these other forms of wealth that they don't have. So to me, that's not wealth either. And what you're saying is in, in their world, countries, I mean, I remember when I went to Costa Rica when I was a PT student. These kids didn't have run running water, um, and they didn't have ac. Mm-hmm. They, but they had a soccer ball. And I've, it was so incredible to me to see these children so happy and I've never forgotten that they had a soccer ball and they had their friends and they had their family. And I think so much in Western society, we focus on the financial aspect. But you're seeing a shift. You're seeing a shift. You're seeing people leave corporate, you're seeing people start their own businesses. You're seeing people mini like become, you know, live in tiny homes because they're realizing their freedom and their time and their health is not worth the expense of working a hundred hours a week for corporate and draining your soul. Your health and all those things. It's not saying everybody that works for corporate is doing that, but tho those are, you know, tendencies that tend to happen. You can have a corporate entity that's, you know, that's mission driven and things like that, but if it's something that maybe somebody isn't aligned with personally, you know how that. They might be making all the money in the world, but if at home they're having trouble sleeping at night because it doesn't align with them, maybe it has nothing to do with the corporation and more in alignment as well. I. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. And, and wealth is such a better word to use over money because what does wealth mean to you? And that's really where we wanna start, is where, what does wealth mean to you? And obviously, uh, having, you know, quote, money can be part of that, but also when is enough? Enough's too many times, you're right. Uh, Dr. Mary, so many times I see this where people are out achieving because it's easy to hit the money goal, right? Or it's also the same with people who, uh, are in the gym for five hours a day. They, they, they know how to get specific results and so they spend the most time in that thing. And, uh, and, and hey, kudos to anyone that's, you know, taking care of their temple and taking care of their body. And also is, can they look at their life and go, wow, well this part is so super, like I got this down. I got the health down, or I've got the, the making money down. But then where are the, the relationships, you know, where is the relationship with self? Where is the spiritual or personal growth? Where are those things happening in that sort of wheel of life? When you think about all the pieces of the pie that are your life. Where do the other things show up and are they tiny slices? Because you haven't spent time on them, you don't give them the same amount of love and value and nurturing that you do because the real test of it all is when you're laying down, uh, you know, on your deathbed, and let's pretend that that was gonna be tomorrow. You have 24 hours to think about what's actually important to you. Do you think that anyone, uh, you know, here is going to go, oh, let me log in and check my emails. That sounds like what's important to me in the next 24 hours?'cause I'm dying like. It's not. It's just not, and I'm not saying that work isn't important. I'm just saying that we have to really think about where do our values align with our lifestyle and how we're making choices, and are we really making choices about our life that are showing up in those values? And uh, and. Balancing it out in a certain way of what's actually meaningful. And again, meaningful is gonna be different for everyone. Uh, but I will say we are designed for interdependence. And that doesn't mean codependency. We're, you know, we, we must have this person, we must need this person. But we are designed all differently, almost like pieces of a puzzle, and we're meant to interlock with each other. Anyone who's like, oh no, I'm meant to be a man on an island by myself with just my 20 dogs. Okay, that's yes. And what a lonely existence because also we are wired for connection. And so it's denying that piece of yourself if you really believe that that's true. We are designed for connection and that's a big part of it. And so many piece people are missing that piece, and I guarantee you if they would dive into what's difficult about that or what's hard and show up for it. I think they'd find that this whole portal opens up for them in their life. And then it also shines the light on why the pursuit of just money and the dollar and the, the work stuff or, or over, uh, overworking a workout or whatever. That is why those are actually less important when it comes to the art of human connection. No, I love that because I think that there's so much, there's this big movement right now about. Boundary setting, and you might see people cutting people off and just being like, no. And the way that I look at that is I was in that phase for a bit and then, then you start going out, and then you try to meet people and then you're like, wait, why? I'm cutting everybody out? You know? And in that you're emotional intelligence shrinks and your nervous system's capacity for things shrink, so you're not actually. Flexing that muscle to expand your nervous system and to expand your capacity. We're just shutting down and, and energetically you're shutting down that connection, which energetically you're shutting down other things potentially in your life that maybe you're unaware of, I believe, because that's something that is easily done because it's, it's honored almost in, in, in our society, but then also at the same time, connection community. Meaningful connections. Not connecting just to connect, but more of do these people align with you? You know, you and I met through a spiritual capitalism mastermind and that's why we get along so well.'cause we're mission, we're heart-centered, but also understand how to run a business and, and want to generate wealth and want different outcomes than the generic route of entrepreneurship. And so those friendships are so fulfilling versus when I was just in the entrepreneur world where it was hustle, hustle, hustle. It didn't feel genuine, it didn't feel heartfelt. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Containers like that I think are really beautiful for finding like-minded people and, and entrepreneurship is such an interesting, it's such an interesting pool because you do get all kinds, and I've been to the conferences where it's all hustle, hustle, hustle, money, money, money. And I just laugh a little bit and I'm like, okay. But I also know that there are, you know, people are in the room because they're after something. They're after a dream. They're, you know, they're, they're chasing something that they're really looking for. And, and I really believe at the end of the day, especially entrepreneurs, that they, they really run the world. They really, you know, are the ones that give, give people jobs and, uh, innovate and, and can really make a difference. And also, uh, that there's still so much room for personal development there, uh, as they are rise up as leaders and, and move into these certain spaces. And sometimes it's just realizing that we're all where we're at. Like we, we have to meet people where they are. And so, so much of the time that's it. It's like, oh, I mean, I see this very common sort of like, um, scale of how entrepreneurship goes, and usually it's a. Solopreneur who's doing it all themselves and they're like, it's me, me, me.'cause only I can do it. And then there's a transformation that can or ideally should happen because that's where the growth happens. Where they go, oh wait. Like it doesn't have to be all me, me, me. I, I, I, like, I can pull in some people to offer support, um, whether that's support from a team, which is usually part of the, the practice, but more so part of a community, just being part of something bigger that's also doing something that's actually good for society. Whether that's them giving to a charity or them putting together a cause and being the cause drivers. And this is where we see community really rise up. And this is why even as a nation, we have the ability to build a community of, you know, Americans and, um, the people are who are here as a fiber of this country. Allowing them to also come together for, for certain causes. And I feel like, you know, you, you saw America speak up last weekend with, uh, with all the, the different protests and things like that of like, hey, like we have, you know, um, folks that have been here for a really long time and they are fibers of our, our community. And so we're standing up for that. And this is where I see these are like little micro ways. Where all of us show up in community, and this is, we can do this, we can rally around something or we can rally around someone. And that's a really beautiful thing to have, especially when you're down and out. When I had breast cancer and I was getting sued by the FTC all at the same time, I was like, whoa, this is a lot at once. This is, this is more than a punch to the gut, you know? This is like I'm laid out on the floor. And having community was the thing that really helped me get back up because I had a whole community of, of, uh, breast cancer survivors and thrivers, and people who are also going through it who could give me their advice, who could also share and just love on me.'cause they knew where I was coming from, from a health perspective and what I was going through. And then I had a whole community of entrepreneurs who also could love and care for me and knew where I was coming from and had so much compassion for. You know, the, the whole situation and just for them to call me and be like, Hey, I'm just checking on you. You know, like that is the beauty of community and that's having a wealth of friends, having a wealth of a network, having the wealth of people you can do business with that also have learned to just see you and identify you. And I think that those pieces are where, um, back to the relationships. That's why I'm not a huge fan of cancel culture. You know, people always wanna go, oh, well this person is this way in my life. I'm just gonna walk away or I'm just gonna not show up. Okay. I get this. And especially, you know, if you have abusive relationships, I get it. However, this is what I'll say. The universe is always trying to balance things out. And so what happens is when you push that away, when you push what, whoever that is away, right? Think of, I don't know, um, Joe in the office who you just find super duper annoying and you're just like, I need to sit the furthest away from Joe. I'm gonna. You know, not go by his desk anytime. That's fine. You excommunicate Joe from your life. Guess what's going to happen? You're gonna be, I don't know, at the gym and somebody just like Joe is gonna show up in your life and they're going to trigger and activate you in all of the same ways that Joe used to. So even though Joe is no longer in your life. There is still this energy of this person that's going to show up and they're going to be ever present to you and you're gonna be like, crap, I just tried to get away from this. So you can continue to run from it, but it's going to continue to find you. And that's why the most important part of this is to go, okay, where is this happening inside of me? And how can I really look at this and figure out where this is coming from and why it's showing up for me?'cause oftentimes when we are feeling these ways in our body. This is the universe just giving us an opportunity to learn a lesson, to create more compassion, to address some things that we might not be addressing that we might be bypassing in our life. So if you have something that is repeated in your life over and over and over again that you are running from, or that you're constantly canceling, just know that this is your opportunity to stop. To observe and to take a breath and go, okay, what am I actually supposed to learn from this? Because the other part that people miss, especially when we have people in our life who have known us or who have, let's say, have been close to us, right? We are. The question I would ask you is, are you just avoiding taking radical ownership? Because oftentimes it's much harder to have a, a hard conversation with someone we know. It's actually easier to yell at the stranger in the car. That just cuts you off because you don't know them. You have no reference point for who they are or what they're going through. That might be a guy with his wife who just, her water just broke and he's beep. Bee lining it to the hospital right now. Right. So we never know, but with people we do know, we have some assumptions that we build up, and the possibility is there that they could also call out some things in us. But more than that, it's about being able to. Sit down and learn to go towards the things that are hard, and sometimes it's easier to cancel someone than it is to show up and actually try to hear them and be heard. So it's, it's an interesting ebb and flow and I think, you know, again. Always situational that I'm generalizing here, but also such a great, great opportunity for us to look and say, okay, this keeps showing up for me. What is it that I'm supposed to learn? Um, what is, what is this here for? It's here for me in some way, and can I open my eyes and see what it is? I think that's perfect because I didn't know any of that. Like those aren't things that I learned in therapy and I was in therapy for a long time. Not saying anybody was a bad therapist, but it just wasn't something that I learned so much. Focus in our culture is on boundary setting and kind of, yeah, what you're saying is like cancel culture, but. What I've learned so much, even just in our group that we're in, is just letting kind of people, everybody's exactly where they're supposed to be in this moment in time. And whenever I feel like the same things are showing up over and over and I just wanna get all pissy and just bitch about it, and I wanna blame everybody else. And then I have to sit with it. And I've surrounded myself with enough people now that are doing this work, so they'll say like, well, well what? What's coming up for you? Right. But that wasn't. Something that I knew was a thing. And so much of what I've learned is that that person's a mirror of something in yourself, you know? And what is it about? It's funny,'cause I was thinking about this the other day. I don't like, um, planning like certain trips or things like that because I get really annoyed with people that don't read the instructions and then they ask me, and I said, why does that annoy me so much? Because I do it. I'm that person and I don't like that I'm that person. And then I project that and then get so annoyed with other people. But I love that'cause it gives us our power back, right? Like Joe from the office, if the dude's annoying, what lesson are we supposed to learn from this? How can we grow from it? And, and, and that was such a game changer for me. To, to think that way because then you just start, and then after a while I was just isolating. I was like, everybody annoys me. So except for my dog. And then she was annoying me and I'm like, oh my God, I'm annoying myself. Yes. True. True story. And, and I feel like that's something we all do, uh, but we're so blind sometimes to our own. Our, what's happening with with us, right? It's so easy to point it out with somebody else. Much harder sometimes to look at it for ourselves. That's why in the marketing world, we tell people, don't do your own branding, don't do your own. Marketing stuff because like work with someone who can be a third party and that's good at what they do and can bounce some stuff off of you because they can help reflect some things for you. And I think that's the biggest part of this, Mary, is that's why I said we're all interconnected. And even in those moments of feeling annoyed or triggered or activated, this is a mirror. So in life, because we get to be a mirror to each other, where can we show up with so much more compassion when we are feeling that ugh in our body and go, oh wow, where am I like this? Where does this show up for me? And I think that's a really important question. And in this context, what you may find is that even though you, you may not be. Let's say that you're not, um, you know, you used annoying as as like, everyone's being annoying. So like, what is the thing that's annoying? Right? Once you can identify what it is, then you can go, oh, like, where does that show up in other places in my life? And sometimes it shows up in people's money. They're annoyed, annoyed with money all the time, or that's where it is. Or they're annoyed with their health. They're annoyed with having to drink a gallon of water a day, you know, annoyed with having to do their PT stretches or whatever the thing is. And so it's, it's. Figuring out, like just because it's ever present in this relationship with another human, it actually gonna be showing up in an area of your life. And so that's where it's important to sort of unpack and look at that and go, oof, where, where is this in other places in my life? And can I also wake myself up to that and get really real with myself? And now go down a, a path of discovery and curiosity and a lot of compassion. Well, I think to add on to that too is judgment. Like if you're ju, like if you judgment and also jealousy, I think jealousy can be a real good way to determine, well, what are we actually jealous about? Or is somebody doing something that we wanna do, but we don't have the courage to do it. Right. And you've seen this in business, I'm sure you've seen it yourself and where. People can show up that way. And, and I'll catch myself being like, oh my gosh, this person did this. And then I get, I get jealous and I sit with it and I'm like, well, what, what is this actually teaching me? And for me, I'll say. Oh, they're showing me it's possible that, that it's possible to do that versus, well, I want that, so then I'm gonna be jealous of it. Well, that doesn't do anything. The jealousy is a sign of what is it that that person's doing that I maybe not doing in my life? Or where can I look in my life and see, okay, or what is that showing me Like to me, it's always possibility, right? When you see somebody doing something that you want to do. Yes. Yes. And I think also such a o great opportunity to, I love your reframe, by the way, Mary. That is a perfect reframe around it and such a great opportunity to reach into gratitude. I. Be like, wow, thank you for showing me that it's possible. And also in some cases, thank you that this person is in my life because like I can go talk to them and maybe ask them how they did this thing or I can ask them how it feels or I can, you can actually go tap in to what that is and. A big piece of that is also recognizing your own level of longing around what it is that that inspires you. And that's a a piece that's important too, because sometimes it's just that jealousy may show up in something and it says, what is it that you're desiring so much? And I know jealousy comes up in relationships a lot. So oftentimes a guy will be like, oh my gosh, my girlfriend, she is so jealous. She's jealous of everything and everyone, it's like. She desires connection from you, and she desires for, for, for, to feel like she is your priority. So can you use that as an opportunity to go, oh, how can I draw her in some more? How can I remind her that she is a priority to me? How can I remind her that she's loved? That's such a good learning moment for all of us to also tap into of like, where is this longing coming from? And when we recognize that someone else might have some longing showing up for us, what is it and is it something that we can also, again, in that interconnectedness, can we see them and go, Ooh, like do I have it in my power to also create a bigger bridge to this connection by. By giving them whatever that is, that they're, they're longing for. You know, I used to have this, um, this old, uh, I think it was an old bracelet and it was one that I, I don't even remember where I got it. And I just remember going to this orphanage and this little girl was just like, she was really about the bracelet. And like, it was nothing to take it off and like hand it to her and be like, this is a gift for you. Right. And so. In her mind, it's like, oh, this Westerner has all this money and she's got this, this bracelet that's like, Ooh, it's something that I really desire and want. I don't know if I'll ever achieve it. And in, and in that moment it was like, you know what? It's mine to give. And I am, you know, I, I don't have an attachment to this. And can I just also o offer that up in this moment of inspiration and this moment to, to be. Be the, the, uh, the, the, the human that can show up for her and let her know it's possible. And sometimes it's giving someone a, um, hand up. Sometimes it's a handout. Just just depends on the context. So I think that those are, again, those beautiful waves of interdependence that we can, that can show up for us and we get a choice whether to act or not. Well, I think I love that because that's just an example of, of how we can elevate our consciousness. So, so many people are like, man, it feels like the world's falling apart. How am I, how can I be happy? All of this is going on and the way, the way that I say it is just remind people that there's joy and and love in this world still.'cause there still is, and yeah, people might be fighting politically, but deep down I mean it, it's. There's, there's just so much there. And you can be that spark and people will remember that for a long time. And it's a ripple effect. It could be something little like giving a bracelet that doesn't necessarily mean much to you, but then now she feels that and then she, um, you know, shows up for somebody else that way. And then that person says, oh my gosh. And so you, we get to choose who do we want to be? Do we want to be adding to the chaos? And fear and scarcity in the world, or do we want to be adding to the hope, the love and the abundance? And yes, there are days where it's hard to do that. It can be, but I think we need to be asking ourselves deeper questions on what, what do we want? And, and then we can start. Aligning more of our lives with that. And when you give somebody something, even if it's just a smile, how are you doing? And genuinely listening, it is such a game changer because people in our society aren't used to anyone. They're not used to many people taking the time to listen. And, and that get just, gives a little bit of spark of hope and then you add up all those over time and, and yeah. You're making the impact. That's right. That's right. But I think too, you know, I think money. It's not separate from any of this, right? So, so much of it, I think we think of, oh, my bank account, my 401k is here and my life is over here. But money is energy and the thing that I have have seen, and if people have probably seen this online, is manifesting money and things like that. I feel like it, it can be hard for people to understand what that actually means when they're financially struggling with money right now. Maybe they're having trouble paying rent, right? Or maybe they're not knowing, you know, shit, am I gonna be able to pay my employees this this month? And there's a lot of that going on right now without tight budgets are, you know, the stock market. Changing, um, investment, slowing down, things like that. What advice would you give to people that want to work on this, but financially things are tight? Hmm. Great question. So I have a philosophy and it's one that's always worked for me, and it's that I will not make decisions out of scarcity because I don't want to be in the. Mindset or the being of scarcity, right? I always want to be in abundance, and so if I am always in abundance, then I'm never making decisions outta scarcity, which means that just because the bank account isn't reflecting a certain number, doesn't mean that that is the truth of the whole situation. I'll give you a great example. If you work a job and you get a check for a thousand dollars every Friday, and it's been coming in consistently every Friday, you know, you go to work, you clock in, you clock out, a thousand dollars shows up every Friday. Then you have a vision, and you have a a, a safety in your being of like, oh, that a thousand dollars is gonna show up every Friday. You already know that this is true. The same thing. The same thing can be applied to your, your knowing and your alignment around money and finances. Can we make decisions from a place of power and from a place of knowing instead of this place of scarcity and lack? Because the more scarcity and lack we put out, the more we're just gonna draw that in. What we think about, we bring about, and we're just attracting more of the thing, which is more scarcity, more fear. That's why these things feed on each other. That's, and why it's so important for us all to stop and take a look at that situation. We, we are amazing problem solvers. This is the thing about being human that I love the most. We have an incredible capacity to solve problems, and if we can't solve them, we have other people we're surrounded with. That can probably help us with that. And then let's talk about ai. AI is just one more tool we can pull in that can help us in these situations. And so there's a few steps that I would have someone take in this particular situation to answer this question, and the first one would be, what are your most aligned values around money? It's figuring out what that is, what does wealth actually look for you as a definition and when we're actually going into the bank account right now, and the, the money as it exists, as you currently are seeing it. Right? Because you, your, your view when you're in fear and scarcity is very limited because it's on the lack, it's on the part that that is little, it's the, because it feels so big and it feels so massive as things are coming in, but there is always a solution for every problem. And in this case. What a great opportunity to tap some people in your community. Build those relationships and raise your hand and say, I need help here. Can someone bring me the actual problem solving tools that I need that I can't see past right now? Um, the second one would be using something like AI to plug in all of your. S all of your stuff, and I'm talking, this is the nitty gritty of like, this is the, the logical part of, of a financial situation. It's being able to plug things in and see where you might be leaking some money to see where you have opportunities to make more money, to see where you have these portals of abundance that you're probably surrounded with, that you're just not seeing. So that's sort of the like pull bootstraps, you know, pull your bootstraps up and go in and logically solve the problem. But on the energetic side of things. The question that I would ask someone is, when you are looking at your life, when you are looking at what's showing up, you know what part of this money story that you have, is there any part of it that you keep hidden? Is there any part that's on repeat? Is there any a part that you're afraid to share? Because I guarantee you that's where the blockage exists. It always exists in the thing that we're not willing to look at or the thing that we keep pushing away. And sometimes the things we're, we're pushing away are, um, let's say you have a job, it could be going to your boss and saying, Hey, I've worked for you for five years and I've never gotten a raise and life's expensive and I feel like I'm really valuable here, and this is what this could look like. This might be the universe's opportunity, giving you an opportunity to use your voice to speak up and to go advocate for you getting what you know you like, want and deserve. So it's. All a lesson for us, Mary. And sometimes it's sitting with the discomfort to give you the spark of an idea, to give you an opportunity to go, wow, this is feeling stressful. I need to go find a way to destress from, from this. And maybe that's when someone goes and discovers yoga and how good it feels in their body and they change their health around. Maybe it encourages someone to go eat better and live better and fuel their body in a way that. Says, oh, I need the energy to be able to go, you know, earn in the way that feels good for me, and I can only do that if I'm taking care of myself. So there's all these intricate details and we, we only really see the beauty of them when we look back, right? We can only, we only only see it when we can replay our life, not in the moment that it's happening. So the biggest thing we have to address right now is like when you're making a decision and when things are feeling crunchy. Where are you making a decision from right now? Is it scarcity or is it an abundance? And what does abundance look like? Because that's what we have to tap into. And as we do that, we start to be able to solve what the problems are and then we go and find those solutions. Yeah, I, I love that because it's looking at it from a multifaceted approach. You know? I think that so many people. It's common to think, oh, well, I just have to work harder and do more and do more, and I'm the type of person where. I'm on a tight leash with my karma, my karma and my life and all of that, because anytime I go that route, business slows down and then I'm like, no, I need to be doing more. And the more I slow down and take care of my body and myself, then my frequency and my vibration rise up and meet meets that match of that higher vibration to attract things that I didn't even know were possible. And just little details and looking back at where I am now and where I want to be. And it's so easy to go, well, I'm not here yet. And, and I tend to do that myself. And I've seen that. It's so easy to do that.'cause then once you get it, then you want more, right? Because even when you get the money, there's always the human. Like the unconscious human pattern is, well, I want more. Right? And so even just going through this before, maybe you make a bunch of wealth or maybe you already have some now and who knows, maybe you're struggling to make rent or whatever it may be. It's just when you can raise your vibration and frequency, you can start matching that and things start coming in and you can start looking at things a different way. I, this is such an, it's a little off topic, but it made me think of when I went to see the Northern Lights last year. Um, I went to, I flew up with my neighbor. We went for her 70th birthday. It was one of her bucket list things to do. And you have to chase the Northern Lights, like it's a big. It's a whole thing. I didn't realize how much of an effort it was till I got up there. You have to check the weather. The sky has to be a certain type. The KPIs, there's a whole thing. You have to join these Facebook groups. You have to just drive around and it's like the middle of the night when it happens. So anyways, my point is that we were there for nine days and finally the eighth day we were like, oh my God, it's happening tonight. And we bought this tour. With, um, this one company to drive us around basically all night to chase the Northern Lights. And everybody was just so hard pressed on seeing the Northern Lights. Just, just wanted to see it. They couldn't, like, we were all just so excited and we were like, it just, it seems impossible and da, da da. And then I swear, the second we saw them, everybody was just like, let's focus on something else. I'm tired, I wanna go home. And not everyone, but I caught myself even being like that too. I'm like, oh my God. But we wanted this so bad and then we got it and it's like onto the next, and it was just so interesting to me to just witness that and go, wow, we are really conditioned. We have to uncondition ourselves to these beliefs because we will forever be insatiable when we saw a once in a lifetime thing and that was a response. So I just, I just thought about that when you were saying that I. Yeah. No, totally. And that's, that's why also just being present, right? Being present to everything that is, and in those moments can you reach, and people are like, how do I get outta this phone? How do I get outta scarcity? Like reach into gratitude. That's the really, the first spot to, to start with is reaching into gratitude. And once you can start to do that, you're, you're tapping into abundance because gratitude is the language of abundance. And when you start doing that. Then you go, okay, all right, nervous system, you're next. And now we start taking those breaths and we start breathing in, uh, and then we get really present. And, and that's, that's so much part of it, right? It's being able to enjoy like the wonder of the northern lights that are before you, right? That when you capture the moment and like, wow, like how does this come together? Like this is, this is a magic moment right here. And can I savor all of this? Um, this year has been such a good. Test ground for me because I've done a lot less like story posting and I've done a lot more just being really present to whatever I'm doing. And once in a while I'll walk away from something and go, oh, I didn't even get a picture of that. And I'll go, I don't even care. Because I really savored and I enjoyed that moment. And that's what I know. Like every cell felt it, you know, every, every piece of me got to really enjoy it. That's been the bigger part of it is how can I sit with this and just really enjoy what, this is not what's coming or what was behind me. Like how can, in this present moment, can I sit here and say, you know what? I'm so grateful for Dr. Mary Greenberg and our friendship, and I'm grateful that, um, she's got so much wisdom and that she is someone who is out helping people feel better in the world and teaching other people to do it too. And I get to be one of those people just by being in her circle. So. This is like this beautiful, very present moment where, oh, it feels good. And I can like, mm, just soak all of that in and like, brings tears to my eyes.'cause I am so grateful, you know? And, and this is, this is what I feel like life is really about. Oh, I love that. And I, I feel the same about my connection with you. And, you know, I've told you, I think of you as such a mentor and you've taught me so much in just such like a short amount of time and. I love what you were saying though, and I think it's important is that what you basically described is feeling gratitude in your body. Like you can write a gratitude list all day and it, it just doesn't hit, it doesn't land unless we feel it. We truly feel it in our bodies. And one of the biggest teachers that I have had to feel that is grief. Yeah, right. Like. Knowing how life can just be in a instant can be gone. Every little detail, like I even capture like you know, dogs, they don't last a lifetime, but I. I just know that anything can happen at any moment and hopefully my dog will be with me forever. And just like little details, like I love it when her little fur rubs up against the side of my leg, like, and she like runs to the front door every time I go in the door and I'm like, Ugh. I love it. It's annoying sometimes, but I love it because I know I'm gonna miss it one day. And, and, and when my ex father-in-law had passed away, him and I, he was a, basically like a father to me. I, I knew he was going to eventually die because of how progressed his cancer was. But I'd, I just sat and I'd watch him. I just watched his like quirkiness, like the things he'd say. The same story said over and over again. I'm like, I'm gonna miss him saying that story. And grief is such a teacher for that. And it can be painful, it can be sad, but in that, it's one of my biggest teachers in life. Yeah, with without the grief, the joy on the other side of that is, is not as rich. I think those are the, the, the pieces that exist, right? Those polar opposites, they exist because they give us the, the broad spectrum, and it's such a beautiful human experience that we get to have the broad spectrum of all of the things. And you're right, grief is a wonderful, wonderful teacher and also a invitation to sit with. That grief and also know how to use it to be with others when they're going through grief, right? To to channel that emotion and to understand what it feels like and know what another person is also going through. And also know that you could encourage them to joy on the other side and, um, possibly be the bridge that carries them, you know, out of the grief into. Back into the upswing and because that's life, it's just literally this up and down, up and down. And sometimes the downs are really down and the ups are really up. Uh, we never know, but we're all here, you know, walking each other home as M dos said, oh my gosh, every time I hear that's that my heart. Just like it's true. We are, we're walking each other home. And I think the more that. We can honor that. And just, you know, grief, grief in and of itself, it's, it was harder for me I think before I believed in spirituality and how we're all souls and, you know, understanding that our physical bodies are gone, but our souls are still with us. Mm-hmm. Um, when it's a hard stop and they were gone. I, it was the most, oh my gosh. Just gut wrenching, worst pain ever. And it can still be gut wrenching and painful when somebody passes, but the relationships shifts and it, it's a teacher, right? And then how can I enjoy even just the smaller moments because it's, nothing's guaranteed. And yeah, like you're saying, we're all walking each other home and, and, and. I just, I love this episode because I wanna remind people there's still so much joy and love in this world, and it's so easy to fall into. This is why I have to be careful with how much I'm on social media because it's so easy to follow and be like, oh my gosh, the world's on fire and this and this and this. But it's always been on fire. There's always going to be something that is happening. We're just more exposed to it now. Right through social media and things like that. But social media can also be meant for so much, like, so much of my feed is a lot of healing and a lot of. Questioning and a lot of teachers and things like that. But I'd say that if you're listening and you feel like there isn't hope and there's fear and things like that, sitting with that and be like, well, what parts of my life can I still have joy and love and deep connection. Um, I did a post the other day on um, different ways that were unconsciously affecting our health and one of them was not believing in something higher, and that doesn't necessarily mean religion or anything like that, just universe, God source light, whatever energy you name it. And trusting that the universe has our back. It's a benevolent, loving. Thing that wants good for us. And when you can feel that your nervous system can go, ugh. Mm-hmm. And how healing is that? To know, Hey, things are happening the way they're happening, but how can I look at this in a different light and what can I do? And I think that ripple effect of what we were talking about is just showing up, asking ourselves these deeper, harder questions. And the ego comes in and it wants to, you know, be like, I don't wanna talk about that. That doesn't feel good. Well, yeah. Well, let's lean into that. When you lean into that, there's this other side of. Of what we're talking about. And if we're constantly in fear and saying, no, no, no, but that takes so much energy too. I mean, that's incredibly draining. I. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely it is. Yeah. And for anyone that's, you know, feeling overwhelmed by news, uh, that's such a great opportunity to turn that off. That's a great opportunity to, to give yourself a break from it. A break from all those out outer, you know, res, uh, information that you're getting and outer influences. And the other piece of that is a lot of times people feel are feeling helpless because they're like, wow. Like I, you know, I see children suffering over here in this part of the world. How can I personally make a difference? We make a difference by just being pillars of our own communities mean, and that starts right at home. So it starts with yourself, and once you take care of yourself, your cup is full and you can now. Be with others. And so that might transform to you hugging your children a little closer, spending a little more time with them, spending time with your loved ones, um, going out into the community and, and being with the people who are right here in your own backyard, because those are the ones that you can have some impact on and some help. And this is where it starts. Starts with all of us doing the what we can with where we're at. Oh, that's, that's exactly it. You know, and I think a lot of people don't necessarily, like, some people resonate with protesting. I'm the person, I've never resonated with it. Um, I, I resonate more with the love and kind connection within the community. Um, and if people wanna go out and do that as well, that's one thing. But it's something that, um. I think there's these little subtleties that we can do and yeah, there are some days where I go, oh my gosh, I'm not doing enough. And I'm like, I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing right now, you know? And thinking about others while first filling up my cup first. Right? Because if you're already depleted right now, we need to focus on yourself because you can't fill up, you can't do shit for anybody else like right. And, and, and I tend to be an over filler for other people and not fill up myself. So I'm in a season of I have to slow down. I'm filling up my cup, my energy is depleted, and I can't teach this if I'm not practicing it myself. And I will tell people, I'm like, I fully admit I am not perfect. I mean. I started this podcast and I wanna talk about these things because they've been so helpful to me.'cause I chose my profession based on trauma basically. You know, I became a physical therapist to help other people, so they couldn't hurt. But I was like, at the expense of my mindset was at the expense of sacrificing myself. But that's not. Truth, right now, I get to fill up my cup and then overflow it with to others. Mm-hmm. So I just, I just love all of your wisdom and everything you've, you've shared today. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on, Mary. Appreciate it. Is there anywhere where people can learn more about you or follow you? Yeah. You guys can head over to my website. It's Mary D-M-A-R-Y-D-E e.com. Uh, you can also follow me on pretty much any social media platform. It's at the Mary d. Perfect. Well, thank you so much, Mary.

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