#99 Louise Thought She Was ‘Broken’… Then Lost 34kg and Got Her Life Back

If you’ve ever looked in the mirror and thought, “Why can’t I do this?

Why can everyone else lose weight but not me?”  this episode is for you.

Meet Louise: a woman in her 40s who spent over 20 years trapped in the weight loss cycle. Slimming clubs. Diet plans. Joe Wicks workouts. Nothing stuck. Nothing changed. Until one holiday when everything broke  and she made a different decision.

Fast forward: Louise has lost 34 kilos, kept it off, and completely transformed her life. She hikes for fun. Travels confidently. Feels strong, calm, and finally trusts herself around food.

But this isn’t a “before and after” weight loss story.
 This is about the mindset and identity shift that made lasting change possible  after two decades of struggle.

In this powerful conversation, you’ll hear:

✅ What “rock bottom” really felt like
✅ Why diets kept failing her for years
✅ The real reason she finally found lasting success (and it’s not more willpower)
✅ How she overcame the fear that she was the problem
✅ What life looks like now that food and weight aren’t running the show

If you’ve ever thought, “I’ve tried everything. Nothing works for me,” this episode will challenge that belief and show you what’s truly possible when you try something different.

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Transcript

Louise’s Identity Shift Begins

Max Lowery 0:00

Today's episode is a powerful one because this is not just a before and after photo story. This is an identity story. It's a life story. And if you're a woman over 40 who feels stuck with your weight, tired, low energy, hiding from photos, thinking, why can everyone else do this but not me? You're likely to see yourself in Louise. Before we worked together, she was doing about a thousand steps a day. Walking felt hard. Weekends away in her camper van weren't adventures. They were survival. She didn't want to be seen, didn't want to socialize, didn't believe she could ever lose weight and keep it off. And she'd already tried everything. Slimming World, Weight Watchers, Joe Wicks, on repeat for 20 years. Lose weight, regain it, blame herself, start again. Sound familiar? Well, fast forward to the day, Louise has lost 34 kilos and kept it off. She hikes for fun, climbs mountains, travels, has energy, confidence. And for the first time in her life, she actually trusts herself. And here's the key. She didn't do it with another diet, no restriction, no punishment, no start again Monday. She addressed the root cause of her weight gain, which were her mindset, her habits, her identity. In this conversation, we talk about what Rock Bottom really felt like, why dieting kept failing her, the fears she had before joining, what surprised her most about coaching, and how her entire life changed once the weight wasn't running the show. If you ever thought I'm just different, nothing works for me, this episode might just challenge that story. Let's get into it. How do you create a life that allows you to lose weight, eat the foods that you love, and sustain the results? Over the last 10 years, I've helped thousands of people do exactly that. I'm Max Lowry. I'm an author, personal trainer, and weight loss coach. In this podcast, I'm going to share my top tips and tricks from within my one-on-one coaching program. It's my goal to give you the tools and the understanding so that you never diet again. Hello, welcome to another episode of the podcast. I'm joined by one of our long-term and very uh inspiring clients, Louise. Um Louise, why don't you introduce yourself? Who are you? Where do you live? What do you do?

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Hi, so I live in the northeast of Scotland. My name is Louise. Um, I'm a manager of a childcare service. And um, most weekends I go away with my motorhome and like to do some hiking and um yeah, lots of walking.

Max Lowery 2:19

Love that. And we're gonna talk about that today because it wasn't always like that, was it?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

No, no, no, no, no, it wasn't.

Life Before Coaching And Hidden Low Point

Max Lowery 2:25

So just so we can get some context, could you share what life was like for you before you started working with us on the Live360 program?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Yeah, okay. So before Live360, well, my step count, for example, I probably did about a thousand steps a day. Um, I did not move very much at all. My weight was really limiting me. Um my weekends in the van were very different to what they are now. I even used to use a pushbike to get me to work and back because walking was just yeah, too much of an effort. So yeah, it's um it's very different from then to now.

Max Lowery 3:02

And if you again take yourself back, and I appreciate it's quite hard to um to think back to those moments because we at there is actually something called the fading effect bias, where human beings have a habit to forget negative experiences and negative feelings. And so, um, but I want you as to the best of your possible ability to take yourself back to how you were feeling within yourself and within your life uh before you started working with us.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Um I was pretty, I would say I was pretty low. I don't think I realized how low I was until I started on the programme. Um, you know, it was a case of I didn't want to be seen, I didn't want to be noticed, my weight was really impacting me, like I say, in so many ways. I didn't want to draw any attention to myself. Um and I it wasn't until I started really kind of paying attention to my feelings, my thoughts, my emotions that I realized how low I'd been. You know, I didn't really want to socialise, I didn't I didn't want people to see me because of how I felt with my weight. So yeah, it was um I felt quite bleak.

Max Lowery 4:07

Thanks for sharing, Louise. What else had you tried to lose weight? Like talk us through your kind of weight loss journey.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Um okay, so probably about 20 years of Slimming Clubs. So we're talking like, you know, Slim in Worlds, um, Scotch Slimmers, Weight Watchers, them on repeat, pretty much going round and round. Um I did um a few years of Joe Wicks, dipped in and out of that for a couple of months, stopped for a few months, went back in. So yeah, um just a never-ending cycle of slimming clubs, really.

Max Lowery 4:41

And having done all those different swimming clubs, slimming clubs, uh Joe Wicks, all that kind of stuff, what you know, tried and failed, lost weight, put it back on repeatedly. What what were you starting to think about yourself, about weight loss? Like what were the thoughts going through your head?

Twenty Years Of Diets And Doubt

SPEAKER_01 4:55

That I would always be this weight, that I could never successfully lose weight and keep it off because it you never kept it off. It would always go back on and more. It was just never ending. So yeah, I I just didn't believe I could, but there is still part of you that that is desperate to be able to do it. So, but you're the most of your your thoughts are, you know, I I just can't lose weight. Look, I've tried and I can't. Um but you still secretly hope a little bit that you can.

Max Lowery 5:26

Yeah, it sounds like you are kind of stuck in between two places, right? The place of, well, I can't do this, it's not possible, I might as well just accept the situation. But then the other place of, well, actually, I'm really unhappy with the way things are, um, to the point where I'm not even able to move in the way that I want to move because the weights uh really impeding me. And that's often quite typically uh where lots of the women um who start the program are when they first start working with us. What made you start looking for something different?

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Well, it was that I was away in my van and I was down in the lake district, and my partner Glenn was literally having to go to the shops and get supplies for us because I had no energy to do that. Even just walking up the main street seemed just too much. And you know, I would look out over all of these lovely files in the Lake District, and I was like, I love to be up there. I wanted to be out there exploring, and I mean I I'd never done hill walking really. Like I think I've done a couple of hills in my life, but it wasn't it wasn't something I'd I'd ever done, but I wanted to be out there. And it was on holiday when I reached out to you. So um yeah, that was the start of it. It was my sliding doors moment.

Max Lowery 6:37

Yeah, so you feel like that was a bit of a kind of a rock, rock bottom moment in some ways. You just all these all these frustrations and realizations that I'm going on these, you know, brilliant holidays to the lake districts, and I'm not actually able to, you know, enjoy uh the the surroundings and move my body in a way that I want to.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Yeah, that's it. I mean, I wasn't yeah, I wasn't enjoying food. I wasn't I wasn't able to enjoy the sights, it was just, you know, I was I was stuck. Yeah.

The Lake District Rock Bottom

Max Lowery 7:04

And it's at the time, it's not a nice place to be to be at that rock bottom. But actually, to be honest, as a coach, I'm that's what I'm actually actively looking for in the conversations I have with women who are potentially thinking of joining the program. Because without that rock bottom moment, the fear of change is always going to outweigh the pain of now. Right. So our bodies, our minds don't like change, even if change leads to positive outcomes. Like our bodies like comfort and the known. It doesn't like the unknown. And so what I see with lot, and you know, you've probably seen it with um certain of the clients that we've worked with, but when there is minimization, when there is normalization, when there's when you downplay how bad the situation is, nothing changes. It does take getting to that moment and having that sliding doors moment, that that rock bottom moment in order to do something about it. So one of the biggest challenges that I face and we face uh as a coach is right now, 2026, there is a very high level of skepticism and there's a very low level of trust. Partly because there are so many coaches out there saying very similar things who promise to help uh and to you know um to be the solution. But also I think because of AI as well, like it people don't know if it's just AI content or an you know, are they speaking to an AI person and in in the DMs or anything? What were your initial thoughts about us and the way that we helped our clients?

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Um it was that I had all this evidence that I couldn't lose weight, you know. So there was that you you have that, as you said, that sort of comfort in staying where you are, but there was also that slight, you know, I I didn't want my life to be like that. And so I think when I'd seen um your ad, and it was it was the coaching because that what I hadn't done any coaching before. So that was what stood out. Um I think maybe after our first call, I was a bit skeptical because I I'd I was scared, I was absolutely terrified. And it was the thought of spending money on me when I had all of this evidence to say that I couldn't lose weight. So to I you I mean, you spoke about it being an investment, and I remember being like, but how? Like I I can prove I can't lose weight. And like you you were right, like it like it genuinely was such an investment. But I know that at that point I was like a bit skeptical because my brain was telling me, Oh, you know, you can't do this, Louise. Like you you can't, like, it's been 20 years. But it was just there was something different. Um, there was a call I had with you and Shane, and I freaked out before that call. I don't know if you remember, like you had to get me to like do like um some breathing uh exercises, and I it was that call you just calmed me right down, and it was just the fact that it was there was nothing crazy happening in that call. It wasn't like all of the diets I'd done before where you had to like fully restrict and you know, you were literally overhauling everything you did in those in the first week. Were you guys? It was just these little simple little steps, tiny little action steps, and it just felt different. It was like you really listened to me, like you really paid attention. I mean, it was so personalized. You listened to what my day looked like, um, you know, what other things were happening in my life, and I was like, this is this is different, this is real. And it was just there was such a safe space created that, you know, um that that Shane created for me that allowed me to be like this, this is this is the real deal. Like this is actually you know, you're so vulnerable, like you you don't you have all of these thoughts, these shameful thoughts about yourself, but uh to find uh like a team, to find a group of people that you can share those vulnerabilities with. I never expected that. And it totally blew me away that I found that. And it's been part of you know my progress, just being able to open up and and share. And um yeah, so sorry, long.

Max Lowery 11:26

Yeah, that's great. Were there any uh things that you thought wouldn't work for you specifically? Like, oh I I'm different, I've you know, I've done these things before.

Fear, Skepticism And Choosing Coaching

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Well, just the overall weight loss, but that that was like you know, you had me focusing on other things. So like the steps, like I mentioned, I I used was originally doing like about a thousand steps a day, and really quickly I turned into this person who was doing like 10, 12, 13, 15,000 steps a day. And I I guess I never thought I would be able to experience energy like I did. And that was something that you know I came across quite quickly in the first few weeks. It was like, you know, I was having um I was just eating better, but the focus wasn't it was just on I think the big thing was the movement, the energy that just blew me away. And um yeah, so I didn't expect that. Probably didn't think I would be somebody doing all of those steps, but yeah, I am.

Max Lowery 12:31

I think for anyone listening, what's really important is every success story we've ever had has felt how Louise felt at the start, afraid this wasn't gonna work for them, that somehow they are different because they've tried everything. So anyone listening to this now who's saying, Well, no, I'm different. I'm I you know, you don't know me, I'm I'm a special case. I'm sorry to say you're not. Um, yes, you have your own unique life, and uh, you know, you've got cer circumstances which make you unique. However, I'm guessing you're gonna be very similar to Louise, and you can tell me, Louise, but most likely the things you have been doing, it feels like you've done everything, but in actual fact, you've done different variations of the same thing over and over again. It's restriction, it's deprivation, and it doesn't address any of the deeper rooted issues. Is that what it was like for you, Louise?

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Yeah, absolutely. And um, you know, you then tell yourself you can't be consistent, you know, you've got no motivation, because you have all of this proof that you you can't. But you the way that you guys work, it's it's just it's a different approach in those small steps and then focusing on so many other things, like the energy, like you you get so caught up in that that it's just it's very different to the diet, like to the diets I did. It's not a diet, it's just um yeah, it it has, it's changed my life. Like it really has.

Max Lowery 14:07

That's for sure. We'll go more into that. Really quick one for me, guys. I don't run ads on this podcast, and I do aim to give you as many high-value tips and tricks as I can for free. All I ask in return is that you help me spread the word. That way I can help as many people as I can to never diet again. The way to do that is to rate, review, and share this podcast. A review will only take 30 seconds, but it would mean the world to me, but more importantly, it could help change the life of someone else. What would you say surprised you most about working with us? Like, what did you not expect?

Small Steps, Big Energy

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Um, safe space. That, like, you know, when you would go to swimming clubs, you would go in the club, you would stand on the scales, you would speak to the women once a week, should ask very briefly how your week was, you know, you'd get you'd get to take measure around you, and that was it. But there was this place where I was able to like literally share how I was feeling and how it was affecting, you know, how your emotions are affecting, you know, just say you've had a really bad day at work or something like that, then you had this safe space to kind of untangle things, how you were feeling. And that's when I really became um aware of how much I'd been emotional eating and drinking. Like I, you know, you don't do that at Slimming Clubs. You go in and you get weighed, and you know, she tells you to have a better week next week. But you guys, it wasn't like that with you guys. You were really, you know, just so good at listening to what was going on, and then trying to help, you know, you untangle the emotional eating side of things and find different ways to cope. So I wasn't expecting that. And I have just I've learned so much. So that's another standout thing from this program is I have just learned so much about me. My self-awareness is is night and day to what it was, and obviously that helps massively with the emotional eating side of things.

Max Lowery 16:07

Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I think slimming clubs are very damaging. You're literally, you know, weighing yourself in front of a room full of people, which is incredibly degrading um and demeaning. And it, I don't know about you, but I know having you know worked with women for a long time, that it leads to disordered eating. It leads to starving themselves before the weigh-in and then binging after the weigh-in. And I even heard of women who would put rocks in their pockets uh at um start on the start of their journey, so they were heavier than um they actually were, and then they would take the rocks out and it would look like they were losing weight basically just to gain the system.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

I mean, you would before you would go on the scales, you would take off your watch and you would be, as you say, you wouldn't eat all day. And then on the way home, you'd probably blow like any calories that you had for the week, you'd probably blow them that night on the way home because you you would binge. So yeah, um it wasn't it wasn't like that here.

Max Lowery 17:01

So obviously everyone listening is gonna want to know some numbers. Louise, how much weight have you lost so far?

SPEAKER_01 17:05

I've lost 34 kilograms. Yeah.

Max Lowery 17:08

That's an incredible amount of weight, Louise. Um, and obviously it's so much more than just the physical weight, um, it's also the emotional and psychological weight that you shifted at the same time. Like, how does your life compare um now to how it was before?

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Um, you know, I just I don't even know what it is in stones and pounds, but that number just seems so like surreal. But my life is like so different. I I can actually say I'm an active person. Like last year, I mean I've been with you guys a while now. Um last year I was, you know, I was I I have sustained my weight loss. Like I never thought that was possible. This is like the first time in my life I have ever lost that amount of weight and actually kept it off. And I feel I feel at a point, it's been so long that I feel really confident saying that. But it's not about that number. Like that number is surreal and it blows my mind, but it's where I am now. Like I'm a person who's actively finding hills to climb and and wanting to do outdoorsy things. Like I never did that. Like when I was growing up, I avoided any any sports event. Like I I was not um an outdoorsy person. I was scared to get involved in sports, just didn't have the confidence. And now I'm like, okay, let's go and find a let's go and find a helicopter. Let's go and you know, my weekends now involve, you know, mountain climbing. Um, so my life is is very, very different.

Max Lowery 18:35

And I remember at the start, you almost didn't do this because of that fear ultimately. And what I really uh admired about you Larise was that that fear was very, very real for you at the time, but you still managed to override it and do this. Like, what do you think your life would look like now if you hadn't have done this?

SPEAKER_01 18:54

It's that's a sad thought, actually. It's a yeah, it's a really it's a really scary thought. I said earlier, like I I tried to hide as much as possible. Um I didn't want people to look at me. I didn't want to speak out and make any sound because I was ashamed at my weight. Um so to think back and think to be in that situation um and not to be free of it, um, yeah, it's it's really sad. It's um it's hard to think about because, you know, um just I think of all of the amazing experiences I've had over the past couple of years, like even like last year I went to Pyrenees with you guys, like that was so out of character for me. Um and I wouldn't have got to meet all of these amazing ladies um that I've met through the programme. Like I've I've met friends for life to not have that and to not have had those experiences, um, it's really sad. Really, really sad.

Why Restriction Fails

Max Lowery 19:47

Yeah, and I think for anyone listening now, whilst it's not your fault that you're still struggling with your weight, you know, if you're struggling with your weight and you've been doing the typical things that people do to try and lose weight, it's not your fault that you're still stuck because ultimately you haven't been shown actually how to do this, how to address the root cause of the problem. But although it's not your fault, it is your responsibility to do something different. Because if you're listening to this podcast, you have access to something that is different. And ultimately, the quality of your life is not determined by your conditions, it's can it's determined by the decisions that you make. And ultimately, Louise made the decision to try something different despite the fear. And as a consequence, her life is completely transformed and changed. So, those of you listening who are telling themselves, no, I'm different, I can't do this, I've tried everything. I understand why you have those thoughts, but they are not true. They are fundamentally not true. And you are actively making a decision uh not to do this and not to improve your life if you continue to believe that story. So this is really, really important. Um, because we're just hearing real world, yes, Louise has lost a lot of weight, which is great, and that's probably why most of you are listening. But actually, as a consequence of addressing the root cause of the problem, uh your life, Louise, has completely transformed.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Yeah, I think um confidence is another thing that has changed um quite drastically for me. Um you know, in the past I I wouldn't want to speak up because okay, I'm still not great on Zoom calls because I don't like public speaking. But um, you know, even just when things made me uncomfortable or maybe wasn't happy about something, you know, whether it was some an event with friends or something, I would literally stay quiet because I wanted to hide. And now I feel more confident speaking up and being seen, like really being okay with being seen. Um so yeah, confidence has changed massively as well.

Max Lowery 22:41

How about your kind of outlook and vision on the future? How is that different now to how it was before?

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Well, I think it's nice to have um I have all these things now that want to do that I didn't have before. And I don't mean by putting pressure on myself and it's not like a tick box. It's not like that. But there are experiences I want to have and there's just like such a sense of enjoyment and joy that I you know I look forward to different events now. And that's a new feeling. Like I I really, I really love that. I didn't have that before. And you know just to just to try different things um before because my my weight did hold me back because it affected my confidence. It affected you know my self-belief like everything. I really felt weighed down by it. And now I I guess I feel freer but it's not just a scales thing. It's like everything else that goes with it, you know. So yeah. I think that answered your question.

Safe Space Versus Slimming Clubs

Max Lowery 23:44

Yeah. And you know I think it is often the women I speak to are maybe ashamed to say that I want to when I ask the question what's the main motivation for losing weight they nearly always say health. And I think people say that because that's what they think they should say. Unless they've had a specific health scare then I think the health motivation is unlikely to be the real motivation. And I think what I see in reality is that they want to feel more confident in their own skin. They want to look better, right? Which sounds like vanity but actually how can you be the happiest, most confident version of yourself if you literally don't like what you see in the mirror. If you wake up every day and are avoiding mirrors and there's a critical inner voice whenever you see a mirror, what are the costs of that? Like how does that that must have a huge, huge and I know it does because I hear it every day, but it has a huge impact on your life. You can't be a truly happy uh present well-rounded person if you every single morning are hating what you see in the mirror.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yeah I think actually that was one of the questions that you guys would ask in the early days like why? And I would constantly say health because I didn't want to die and I was scared. I I was so scared that where where my weight was um you know I was like early 40s and I was like this you know I want a slippery slope here. So I kept saying health and health but then I think it was because I'd spent the past 20 years hiding I didn't really know sort of what I was missing. And it was just like I say the energy starting to find that you know I could go out and double my steps and um you know see things, explore, visit visit the places in the lakes that I never got to visit before. So yeah. If you could go back in time and explain to uh Louise just before starting this program the results and the impact this has happened on your life what do you think old Louise would say or what do you think she'd believe you know but as I I you know I I do think like everyone that has struggled with their weight and they think they can't do it is something that is just buried so deep that just you you you have this teeny tiny little hope. It is there somewhere and it's just been able to listen to that little strand of hope that says you know you you could do this. You can do this and it it I know it sounds cliche to say if I can do it anyone can but the way that I've done this has literally blown my mind and it has it's yeah it's it's worked. I've lost weight I've kept weight off and I'm still losing weight and I'm going out and you know um trying new experiences and no longer hiding. So um there is that tiny little part of you that in there that will will hope that you can do it. So it's just trying to listen to that little that little voice. So those would be your specific words to someone who was listening to this podcast sitting on the fence uh feeling afraid but feeling that hope it would be would be that yeah um I think so because even though your mind is telling you that you can't lose weight you know you're you still hope you can you still want to because you want to change it because of the impact it's having on you. You know you don't want to feel like this you don't you don't want to stay stuck. Um but yeah listen to the little voice it is in there.

The Numbers And A New Life

Max Lowery 27:12

Yeah because in reality the only way you actually fail something is if you quit and give up and so if you keep trying if you keep and I say trying different methods if you keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results then yeah you're gonna stay you're gonna stay stuck. But if you open yourself up to things that sound different that you haven't tried before if you stop telling yourself that you've tried everything and nothing works that's the biggest lie you can tell yourself. Because just that's just let's just think practically it is physically impossible to try everything. Like one person cannot try every single method of losing weight or every single avenue that has ever existed. So for a start we know that is a bullshit lie that you're telling yourself excuse my language. Secondly like I've already said earlier most of the women that I work with and you know Louise said herself earlier that it feels like they've tried everything but an actual fact you've just been doing the same thing with different marketing and different packaging. Yeah. Okay. So stop telling yourself you've tried everything you haven't because if guess what if you tell yourself that then that's self-fulfilling. Then yeah I've tried everything so nothing works. So therefore everything else that I see is the same and there's no point even thinking about it. So change the language because language is really important. Tell yourself yeah yeah I've I've tried hard to lose weight and I've tried these different what seem like different things but actually I haven't tried everything and actually there's always more to learn. If something sounds good and uh they're helping women who with similar problems then how about I just have a conversation or at least listen to what they have to say and you know most of you listen to this are already listening to what we have to say because you're listening to the podcast but I think don't close yourself off to trying you only truly fail if you quit. If you keep working on this keep learning from different people keep trying you will make progress over time so thank you very much for today Louise thanks very much for sharing and opening up I know it can be difficult sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

Yes I I don't feel very comfortable speaking on these things but um yeah it's important and um I I have really loved working with you guys so um I definitely wanted to share that. And so Louise is very much a long-term member of the community now so much to the point where she's now mentoring um uh ladies who are starting off the program kind of like we've got a mentorship scheme within the program what are you most excited for Louise about this year and the program um well I I love it when new people join I love hearing I I'm always so inspired by their bravery and um it's just making the new connections with people um you sometimes think that you know how you know what could what do you have in common and then when you start speaking you you start sharing things about yourself and each other and you realize you've got so many commonalities and yeah I I love the the social aspect of it. I think that it really inspires me and I feel honored to you know to be part of somebody else's journey I think um I find that's really special I do so and you've got another journey's trip so that'll be exciting.

Max Lowery 30:37

Yeah because um you know what Louise has been alluding to the whole way through is we have a very very strong community um so right now there are roughly 50 women so in the program who are all supporting motivating and inspiring each other. Because what I would say is lots of the women we work with although they have loving families they feel very alone in their struggles because they can't talk to this uh with anyone else no one else understands their friends don't understand their partners don't understand their children don't understand um so now we have the Liv360 community where it's not just digital um we meet up in real life we do little kind of meetups around London we do uh um retreats in the Pyrenees and actually there's a uh a community organized trip happening in Northern Ireland uh at the end of the year which uh is great um so loving that looking forward to that that'd be fantastic excellent well thanks Louise thanks to everyone who is listening and you know if you've got any questions or want to get in touch um the quickest place to get hold of me is Instagram. If not just book in for a call in the link below. See you on the next one.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Thanks Max