57. Navigating Gray Hair in Midlife: Should You Embrace the Gray or Keep Coloring?

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Gray Hair in Midlife: Team Gray vs Team Color? 🔥 Real honest
conversation about letting your hair go gray or continuing to color it.

What happens when you decide to embrace your gray hair in your 40s, 50s & beyond? We’re talking confidence, societal pressure, beauty standards, money, maintenance, and what it really feels like.

In this episode we discuss:
- The double standard between men (silver fox) and women going gray
- When to stop coloring your hair
- How to transition gracefully
- Does gray hair make you look older or more confident?
- Personal stories and celebrity examples

💡 What You’ll Learn:
• How to decide if you should go Team Gray or stay Team Color
• The emotional side of seeing your first gray hair
• Confidence tips for midlife women
• Money-saving alternatives if you stop coloring

Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:43 - Why we’re talking about gray hair
02:10 - Our moms’ experiences with gray hair
04:57 - The double standard: Silver Fox vs “Letting herself go”
07:22 - First gray hair stories
10:23 - Team Gray vs Team Color
15:04 - Confidence & embracing change in midlife
20:59 - Would you go gray if money & judgment didn’t matter?
27:52 - Final thoughts & advice

If you're a midlife woman navigating aging, beauty standards, and confidence — this episode is for you!

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Why Gray Hair Feels Controversial

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Now let's get into the episode. Today we are tackling one of the most controversial topics in midlife for women. And no, no, we are not talking about dating younger men. Even though that is also controversial, but that one is always controversial. A lot more fun than probably talking about gray hair. Yeah. But both are necessary to talk about, right, Michelle? That's right. Yeah. So what happens when you go gray? You know? What happens when you go gray or you decide, hell with it, I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm going to continue dyeing my hair. Or, you know, boiling it or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

What do you think, ladies? Have you gone gray or are you thinking about it? Or do you think they'll have to do you think they'll have to pry the dye right out of your hand, you know, when you move on out of this life?

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Well, they definitely won't have to be making as many salon appointments. Or for some women, they do it at home, you know, which like I did that during the pandemic, which was, you know, the woman who does my hair was very gracious about fixing all of the mistakes that I had made because, you know, obviously we weren't able to get in and out of there as much. That was a little while ago. But I bet there was a lot of clo color cleanup after the pandemic. A lot of color cleanup. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess the whole thing we've started to notice, audience, is that there's a lot more conversation that we're hearing or that we're even having about this very topic. Because Michelle and I, obviously, you can see she's blonde, so she's got it way easier than I do. Yeah, I know, bitch. And then you've got your Burnett me over here, who every little hair that shows up is there. And it's mostly in the spots that you would expect, you know, like around your temples and things like that. So and I I I I don't know. It's like, do you remember when your mom stopped coloring her hair? Did she ever color it?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Oh yeah. She she colored her hair. She went through the wiglet stage where they, you know, had the thing on top to make your hair look more full. She went through having a wig and then she would color her hair. I don't really remember when she started phasing it out, but it was in her 60s. Really? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

You know, my mom did not phase out color till she was 85. Really? She colored her hair till she was 85 years old. Wow. And then went completely silver white. And she has a really pretty color of silver white hair. But I'm thinking when my hair goes gray, it's gonna be that mousy color, just like my brown is kind of a mousy color. And I don't say that to be negative, it's just the reality is.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Well, I think it I think it goes through that. I do remember that about my mom. Yeah. Because as you do transition and her generation, I think did it more naturally. Yeah. Right. And because I know for me, uh, when I do that, it'll be the same thing. That that transition. It's it's not like all of a sudden we're silver, white, and angelic, beautiful, mature, older, beyond midlife women.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Right. Yeah. But I mean, there's plenty of women, we know women that are, you know, in their 40s, you know, and or early 50s, and they are they're just like, fuck it, I'm not doing it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Well, and it's actually become more popular. Yeah. It has become more popular. There's some really beautiful transitions with an ashy, silvery, grayish color. Yeah. As you move through that time when your hair is changing. So there's a lot more out there that you can do with the color.

Moms, Memories, And The Awkward Grow Out

SPEAKER_00 4:00

I struggle with is like when men go gray, it is something that is almost applauded. It's like, oh, he's a silver fox. Oh yeah, you know, he looks so distinguished, yeah, put together, you know. And you know, they're the silver fox thing, I've heard that more than one occasion, you know. But when women do decide to do that, it's like, oh, she's letting herself go.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Letting herself go. Yeah. Has she given up?

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Is she depressed? You know, yeah. All these things. It's like, you know, kind of a double stream. Are you okay? Yeah. It's like, what I mean, I remember when one of my friends MB, when she went gray, and not even a lie, I was like in my inner body, my inside voice, which was probably good for me to keep it there, was like, holy shit, why did she do that?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

You know, she seems to be much freer about how she approaches things and everything, but it definitely to me was too soon, you know. But for her, it worked. But for me, I would never. So I think I love her color. I know it's really pretty on her. And hers is natural. But when you when you kind of get to that point which you're already kind of starting to think about it because the gray's coming in, it's like, are you just gonna go for it? Or I have a girlfriend that's doing that right now.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

She's got the she's got the she's she's just she's got dark, darker hair than yours. And it's dark brown. Yeah. And she's just letting it go. Yeah, she's just letting it come. She's got like the stripe down the middle of her head. It's like starting to blend in and transition, you know, more. Yes, at first it was like that, of course, because that's how the grow out goes. But when you think about it, there's a lot of celebrities. Kim Kardashian, you know, when they go through all these color changes, they have to grow out. It's opposite. Kim Kardashian is how old? I'm just she's in her 40s. I know, but she doesn't have gray hair. It's more like a twist. But I'm just saying they intentionally do it. But that that's what I mean. And they have root grow out, is somewhat of a trend. It has been in the recent past. When she had blonde hair, when she bleached her hair blonde, yeah, and then she started letting her natural color come back in, which was dark. It was the opposite. Got it. But but that root grow out, that's what I'm talking about, is is root grow out is somewhat trendy. Yeah. So and I think, you know, we talk a lot about confidence in midlife, and I think it kind of goes along with that as well. You know, having the confidence to be able to do that, if that's how you're doing

The Double Standard And Silver Foxes

SPEAKER_01 6:16

it. Like my my girlfriend, she's just she's just let come bringing it on. Yeah. Like bring it on. This is where I'm at. And it can be challenging because I don't. Do you remember when you saw your first like gray hair?

SPEAKER_00 6:28

I mean, it was probably not even that long ago, I would say. Maybe like when I not even that long ago.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

And and when you have you ever heard like when you see it, you're not supposed to pull it out. Yeah, because more will come back. Well, it's like you're just supposed to get it. Once you see it, you can't see it.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Right? You can't unsee it. Yeah, don't pull it out. You can't unsee it. And then you you then you see all their friends, the friends, the other silver gray friends start showing up with them. And then you're just like, oh my God, what am I gonna do? So I'm and I went from it's you know, when I was getting my hair, you know, getting it, getting it foiled or whatever, you know, 12 weeks, then 10 weeks, then eight weeks, then six weeks. And now I'm kind of like, hmm, it's like every four weeks, or if I go like five, five and a half weeks, it's like I'm having to cover it up all the time. Yeah. But it's not a ton, it's just like right in the areas that like if I wear my hair up, you can see. Yeah. You know, so I'm you know, I I'm very conscious of it. If I'm gonna if I'm not gonna have gray hair, then I'm gonna have brown hair. I'm not gonna have, I can't decide today hair. Right. Yeah. So so it's it will go at the same time, I guess. One way or the other.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Yeah, that's kind of like I feel like that first gray hair that shows up is is kind of that reminder for some wild night I had back in 19, or you know, that you had back in 1998. It's like, here's the receipt for that. You know, you're getting get getting old sister.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

The night just never remember with the people you'll never forget, but you got the gray hair to come with it. Well did it bother you when you did it when you saw their first gray hair? I think it's more to me was like a it's like a chapter is starting. That's how I looked at it. Like, oh shit, the chapter is starting. It's kind of like when men apart. That's kind of deep. I know. Wow. I know I wasn't looking at it very lightly. It's more just like I'm transitioning into another chapter. Here we go. And it happens at a different time, obviously, for anybody. I mean, I know women who is like 30 years old and she's got gray hair already. It just depends on how your body attacks things or doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Well, and genetically, there's you know, all those genetic things too that have to do with it. I think though when you when you start, when you do start seeing a gray hair or two, you know, it it's not so much about the hair, but really about your identity. Yeah. I mean, when you tie it, you tie it to that, you know, you're aging and and that gray hair is the identity, you know, with that. So I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

I well, that's what I'm saying. It's like it kind of felt like, oh shit, this chapter is starting, even though I didn't want it to really start yet. Yeah. You just you hear about it from other people, you're like, oh, that's not a problem I have. Right. And then all of a sudden you do have that problem.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Yeah, but like you were saying, you're either gonna do it or you're not. I think there's like team gray, yeah, or team color.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Yeah. So so I'm I'm obviously team color for myself. You obviously right now are too. I am team color.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Yeah. And and I'm toying with transitioning. There's a lot of tease there. Team color toying with transitioning to the gray. To the gray. Um, but I think yeah, I, you know, team gray, it probably feels somewhat liberating.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Yeah, I would think so. Well, like I was saying with my friend MB, it's like, I feel like she's kind of liberated herself, you know, yeah, by just deciding to do that. And, you know, she's like, I'm not gonna deal with the appointments anymore.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yeah, that's what my friend was. She was like, No more appointments. Yeah, it's just expensive, it costs a lot of money. I'm tired of doing it, and here I am, and I'm just gonna let it go.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

But you know what? I was talking with Misty, the girl who does my hair, and she is 40 and or maybe 41. Anyway, she has the purposeful silver, like little purposeful silver stuff in her hair, and it looks gorgeous on her. Yeah. Um, but we were having a conversation about this. Yeah. And when you think about all of the things that, you know, women spend money on, or what you want to uh what what you need or what you want to feel good in your skin, to feel like yourself. Really, it if you can afford to do it, I feel like why the hell not? Do it if you want to do it. You know, that's how I and she goes, you know, this is all this is more about you. I mean, it's more about what you want and how you feel about it. And if you don't want your gray hair, then just come in and you don't have any great more gray hair. And I'm like, okay, and I get to see it.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

You know, you know what? That's what my actually the my gal said the same thing. She's like, We got plenty of hair, you know, plenty of color here in the studio, you know, we can do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

And if you don't want to do it, then or you want to go back to whatever it was you before, then then do that too.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

You know, I I like what you were saying because then that would be the you know, team team color.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Who the, you know, the ones that are continuing to color their hair makes you feel vibrant, might give you y you maybe you enjoy the ritual of going and getting your hair done.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

I mean, it's maintenance, not even gonna lie. It's kind of therapeutic. Yeah, it's kind of like getting your nails done now. It's like we you back in the day it was a treat, you know, get your nails done, get your toes done. Yeah, and now it's like it's freaking maintenance. And I do it, I do it every whatever three weeks or what have you. But because the alternative is that my hands will look like shit and I don't want that. Right. And so I just do it. But the same it's kind of the same thing with the hair, you know? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

Well, I and I I think too, it's important to note that coloring your hair doesn't mean you're in denial. Like if if you're still coloring your hair and you're, you know, going into your 70s or whatever it is, and you're very much well taken over by the gray, just because you're still getting your hair colored does not mean you're denying right where you are at in life. It's kind of like midlife. What is that? Yeah, we talk about that too. It's it's a mindset and it's not about the number.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Well, that's the same thing. We're talking about younger people too that uh, you know, maybe in their late 20s, early 30s, guys as well who are graying already. Yeah, you know, and it doesn't mean you're giving up.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

No. So coloring your hair doesn't mean you're in denial, and letting it go doesn't mean you're giving up. I mean, there's both sides of that, you know, coin.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Do you feel like this is uh the the whole topic of whether to go gray or not gray? And I'm speaking specifically for women, puts a different type of a yet another added pressure on us.

Identity, Confidence, And Team Choices

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Well, of course we never talked about it really before because it wasn't a thing, right? Yeah. Now it's kind of a thing where we're seeing it with more people and even on like TikTok and some of our followers and stuff. I'm loving that they're they're like showing their grow out.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

And embracing the process, they're embracing the gray women are much more bold with it, which I think is fantastic. And it's it's sexy and silver and you know, but let's sophisticated.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Let's acknowledge though that going gray, you know, making that decision can trigger things. It can trigger like some confidence issues, you know, because you're not used to styling it, for example, or empowerment issues, you know, or feeling invisible because now all of a sudden you're gray. We already we already feel like as women in midlife that there is some question as to whether we are kind of blending in the background, which I think is has has been the way it's been in the past. I think spicy midlife women or midlife women who are kind of acknowledging this chapter, if you will, they're not necessarily feeling that way. They're feeling more vibrant, they're feeling like fuck it, I don't want to deal with it. I'm gonna have gray hair. Yeah. And it's totally fine. And I love that. I love seeing that for people. I love that for them.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Sassy. Sassy, spicy, sophisticated. All the S's. Those are all the things that go, you know, there's distinguished for the men, but think of all the things. I just said like three things that it is for women. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

So yeah, there's well, and I think we lift each other up too. It's like if we see our friends that are making that decision, you know, we got to root them on. Even if it's not our personal preference, like we were talking about a minute ago with MB, is my friend. I wouldn't be my personal preference. And it was all I could do not to say something because it wouldn't have made it, it wouldn't have made any difference if I said anything or didn't. And what was more important is that she knew I thought what you know, she when she asked, she knew that I thought she looked great. She does, she looks pretty and she looks, you know, beautiful in her skin, and you know, it works for her. But now it's also been like three years since I've been doing it.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Well, and that is, you know, because our appearance, I mean, how much of it is for us? Right. I guess you have to ask yourself that question. Uh, you know, how how much of our appearance is for us? How much of it is if you're dating, yeah, society, work, work, all those different aspects of life, and really when it comes down to it, I think it should be about what it is for you. Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

So well, it's just like, well, let's talk about the work thing for a second because it's like when you are a midlife woman and you are in the corporate world, let's say, for example, it's like, you know, you're already in a position where, you know, you are concerned about being midlife in the corporate structure with things evolving so quickly. And, you know, just like at Nordstrom, it's like all of a sudden people hit their 50s and they're retiring, you know. It's not because they want to go, quote, spend time with their family, it's because they are moving people along, you know, that are in that age group. So you kind of wonder if, you know, your hair change gives a different perception of you and therefore maybe people look at things differently at your work. I mean, it's something to kind of think about.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

It's like it's like tattoos, you know. If uh nowadays you find that people have tattoos and it's not really a big deal. But like I was I was with my 83-year-old client friend, you know, that uh it was her birthday, and I had gotten this tattoo on my arm when I was in Costa Rica, and she hadn't seen it. And she had told me beforehand, she said, Don't you dare get a tattoo. I would never hire people that had tattoos. I would dunno, I mean, she's 83, so you can kind of get an idea of where that's coming from. But she she was saying, I would never, I would never hire somebody if they had tattoos. Well, there are people making hiring decisions that think that way. Yeah, there are. You know, and I think some of it depends on the environment that you're working in. You know, if you're in a you know public-facing thing with a bunch of, you know, boomers, then you might not want to have tattoos in front of them. It might create problems. I don't know. But anyway, I'm thinking gray hair could potentially do the same thing. So it's just something to think about, I think, as you're making those decisions. It's not necessarily all about, you know, one thing or the other, but like you said, I feel like it has to be something that you feel good about first. And then you kind of think about how it is impacting the environment that you're in and if you're okay with that. Because the reality is it's going to impact your environment potentially.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

You know, midlife women who have gray hair that radiate more confidence than a younger, you know, in your 20s kind of a gal. Because I just I'm gonna go back to those words. We are sophisticated, you know, we do have some sass. We are spicy, we're confident, we're bold. And I'm talking about spicy midlife women. Yeah. And and when you when you feel all those things, regardless of of y the tattoo or the color of your hair or whatever it might be, it's where you feel comfortable in your skin. And you present yourself as such. So I mean, I think that part of it is huge.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Isn't that interesting? Because as I look at those things, like, you know, people making bold decisions for themselves, or you know, like in this case we're talking about ink, you know, it it's like it's just it's like it's just me. And it's like if people don't like it too bad. That's kind of how I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

So it's kind of the same thing. I think the confidence doesn't come from the color. The confidence does not come from the the color, but the ownership of right. I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

So if you're making these choices, are you making them because you want to? That's the question. Or because you feel like you think you're supposed to.

Work Perception, Ageism, And Tattoos

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Supposed to, because you're at this midlife, you know. Yeah. We're we're kind of on the at the higher end of the scale when it comes to midlife.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

You know, we we're through our but we're super mature, so we really kind of identify more with yeah, yeah, yeah. The lower the lower uh age groups. But anyway, that's kind of a whole other thing. But anyway, this applies to all aspects, not just your hair.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Well, that that is true. But really quick, with the hair, whether whether it's colored or not, it all comes back to like I was saying, the the ownership of it. And when you look in the mirror and what you are recognizing as yourself, what you're comfortable with. Like if you decide to transition to gray and you hate it, uh there there's your the I mean, there you go. Yeah. Even though the gray's coming in, you're trying it out, you don't like it, go back to what it was. Exactly. That does feel good. That's the power that we have. Yeah. Yeah. And not someone telling you.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Yeah. Or even, you know, you come home to your significant other and you've decided to let your hair go gray, you know, and they don't like it. What do you do then? You know, you have to kind of think about those things too. You know, they're gonna have to get used to it, but they're the ones that have to look at you too. And it's like I mean, there are a lot of facets to it. Yeah. There are a lot of facets to it. So, really, what it boils down to is what you want for yourself.

Ownership Over Rules And Other Opinions

SPEAKER_00 19:02

So let me talk to you about a few sentences I want to throw at you and have you give me the answers for, just kind of fun along these lines. Okay, are you?

SPEAKER_01 19:10

I'm terrible at this, but okay, go ahead. You really are. You always say I'm terrible at it. I don't know, it just depends. I don't know. High level, Julie says, You're so high level. Yeah. It's gotta be so high level. Okay. Going gray means answer the question. Oh it it means you're ready for the next chapter. Okay. Okay, so kind of like saving your money when you quit smoking. Yeah, right. Whatever you spend the money for cigarettes and you quit, you're gonna put that towards something else.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

That has got to be like a really old example because I literally don't know anybody. Well, I'm old. Okay, when I say smoke cigarettes, I know a lot of people smoke weed. Oh, they have to finish.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

I see where you're yeah. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that is true. That is true. Okay, so just like that. Well, what would you what would you spend your money on? Like if you decided to do a gray, if you decided to do that, go gray. You don't have to go to the salon anymore and spend money on your hair. But I'm gonna take that money and spend it on and like can I just side note? It's a lot of money to get your hair. So what would you spend that money on?

SPEAKER_00 20:08

I would probably spend it on concert tickets. Of course. On, you know, really good seats, because you know, we've deserved that.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

Yeah. Or, you know, maybe a cute pair of shoes or, you know, a little outfit or something. Yeah. Every month or every five weeks. Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Every see it. I mean, think about it that way. When you somebody that gets their hair done every six to eight weeks, taking that. I mean, let's be honest, a two to three hundred dollars. Sometimes I know people that spend more than that on their hair. I would get I would earrings, shoes, and massages. I would pamper myself some more. I don't get pedicures as often as I used to, so I would maybe put it to that. And uh yeah, there's plenty of things we could, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Oh my gosh, you just like I could spend it on so many different things. Do you we could go to happy hour? Yeah, like every day. Every day. Okay, maybe not. Depends where they go, I guess. You know? But anyway, somewhere on a rooftop deck with it being 85 degrees outside right now. Do you have a beauty rule that you would break that you would say, screw it?

SPEAKER_01 21:07

You know, I was looking at that question, and I I mean I that's I would have to really think about that because I'm pretty uh rigid with my regimens when it comes to beauty and rules and skincare because I associate it all with that and hair, and and I just honestly don't know that there's one that I would give up right now. I don't. She puts beef tallow on her face, people.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

It's good for the thousand dollars. But look at her face. I mean, she looks good. So I should I should not throw shade at Michelle for beef. There's no I just think of it being like they're fat being on your face, and it just kind of grosses me out a little bit. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Anyway.

unknown 21:46

I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

What about you?

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Any beauty rules that you would break?

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Well, it's not really a rule, it was more of a choice, but I I loved getting eyelashes. I hated taking the time to get the eyelashes. Extensions. Extensions, yeah. And uh and the maintenance on it was just stupid. Stupid. And it was so expensive. And and then I was like, why am I doing this? I'm just, I mean, I love my eyelashes and everything, but if I really need my eyelashes to be long, I invested in some like false ones, you know, like magnetic ones or ones with blue. And then I got that tube mascara. And you know what? It's fine. Yeah. It works fine. So you kicked the extensions to the curve. I kicked them to the curve. Love it. I really did. So if I have them now, it's out of choice, not because I woke up and have them. Right. Yeah. But you know, you didn't even have to wear makeup, really. You didn't have to, you didn't feel like you needed to do anything except put moisturizer on, you know, and maybe a little swipe of lip gloss. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Yeah. What about um are there any celebrities that like if you decided to go gray, any celebrities that are stand out in your mind that you would want to uh look like or at least have the same vibe?

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah, like sassy vibe. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking of like Jamie Lee Curtis. I thought she was like the shit when you know she was younger and had the most amazing figure and just sassy, you know. Yeah. And she's one that has chosen not to do any additional things from what I understand. Yeah, fillers or whatever, you know, and she's let her hair go gray and she looks beautiful. Yeah, she does. Yeah, she looks really pretty. Yeah. And it works for her. I think it works really well for her. So I mean, you know, it's how you carry it, I think. For sure. And we don't really I mean, I don't I'm not really thinking of a lot of people. She's right, you know, she's in her sixties, right? Yeah, I believe yeah, she's in her sixties. I mean, do you know people that are in their forties or fifties like celebrities that have gone great? Uh no. I don't know. None that I can think, none too. I mean, I think you want to talk about pressure.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

That's probably an arena where there is a tremendous amount of pressure to not only stay young but look young and everything else. So, I mean, I kind of applaud her for doing what she did when she did it. Yeah. Good for her.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Yeah, that's a good example. Yeah. Diane Keaton was another one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Diane Keaton. She's a lot more conservative and reserved in terms of like her dress and how she, you know, would carry herself than certainly me, but I love her style when she was around and her hair was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Let me ask you this, Jules. If if judgment or money or maintenance weren't factors, would you go gray? I mean, that's a that that that there's a lot there. Judgment, money, maintenance. If none of those mattered, would you go gray?

SPEAKER_00 24:20

I don't think I would yet. I I like I like my hair this color. Yeah. You know, I didn't either. I mean,

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SPEAKER_00 24:27

honestly. I'm just not quite at that place in my life where I feel like I need to do that. Mm-hmm. So even though my my body's telling me, maybe you need to do this, but you know, I'm like, no, hell no.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

I mean, I did do a little bit different, uh, you know, because I am toying with the idea of transitioning, but I I haven't, you know, I haven't completely gone there yet.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

So yeah, I was saying before it's like a chapter, you know. Yeah. I feel like the moment you saw your first grade hair, it was like a chapter. And you can look at it any way you want, I suppose, but it's like the next chapter. I'm like, shit, it's here. And it was and I know it comes really early for a lot of people. Like I I know people that are in their late 20s, early 30s, men and women who are already getting silver hair. Yeah. You know, and it's like genetic, it's just the way it is. I know somebody that that happened to too. Yeah, so very early on. And they're, you know, they know it's gonna happen because it happened with their family, but and they're fine with it. But you know, they're still 29, 30 years old and looking like, you know, maybe they're in their forties and it bothers them. Yeah. So I totally get that. Yeah, you know. Yeah. A lot of it is your comfort level. It's just your comfort level on how you perceive yourself, probably, how you want the world to see you. So I feel like you do what works best for you.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Do it, do what works best for you. It's comfort level, confidence levels.

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SPEAKER_00 26:52

Bye.