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Ep 138 - Bourbon County Night: Big, Bold, And Barrel-Aged
Five Bourbon County pours, one 20% curveball, and a table full of strong opinions. We line up the 2022 Goose Island Bourbon County variants—Original, Coffee, Biscotti, the 30th Anniversary Reserve with Knob Creek’s small-batch family, and the Two-Year Barleywine aged in Old Fitzgerald barrels—then bring out New Holland’s Dragon’s Milk D20 for a wild final act. Along the way, we talk about why some barrel-aged beers feel seamless while others come in hot, how char level and wood type shape flavor, and why great coffee stouts avoid that ashtray note.
You’ll hear how the Original sets a high bar with a blend of Four Roses, Heaven Hill, Wild Turkey, and Buffalo Trace barrels. The Coffee variant shows what happens when clean Burundi beans meet a careful stout base—subtle sweetness, no grit. Biscotti divides the room with anise and almond that finish in bold licorice, a love-it-or-leave-it moment that makes pastry stout so fun to argue about. The 30th Reserve wins hearts with polish and balance across Knob Creek, Bookers, Basil Hayden, and Bakers barrels, earning a Beer of the Year nomination. Then the Old Fitzgerald barleywine brings velvety depth at 17% ABV, trading dryness for rich toffee and fig.
We close with Dragon’s Milk D20, a 20% stout that’s surprisingly drinkable but sharper than the Goose Island lineup—a fascinating study in extreme ABV and barrel character. If you’re searching for Bourbon County reviews, coffee stout recommendations, or Old Fitzgerald barleywine insights, this tasting hits the sweet spot: practical notes, clear scores, and real talk about who should seek these bottles out.
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Grab a beer and pull up a chair. Welcome to the Northwoods of Beer Guy podcast. Interesting. If the if the audience can figure out the connection between that song and the beers we're gonna try today, I give I'll give them an A. I'll give them a thousand points. Would you send them a beer? It depends how many get it right.
SPEAKER_03:But I think this is a good prelude, though, because I think I think so. But I think there's a lot of there's a commonality of our beers. There's a commonality, yep.
SPEAKER_02:Well, but one, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I think just based on the rebellious attitude of these guys, these actors, that's gonna really tie into our urban beers.
SPEAKER_02:More the name of the location a little bit, but you know, neither here nor there. Well, hey, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Northwoods Beer Guy Podcast. This is Mike, the Northwoods Beer Guy. And once again today, we are back in the studio with Jim. Hello, buddy. Again, hello. Yes, hello. And Toby's here again. We made him come back. Say, there you go. What county are we was that song from? The Dukes. Dukes of I think it's Hazard County. So the the beers we have aren't from Hazzard County, but they're from a certain county in Kentucky. No, these aren't. These are from Chicago.
SPEAKER_03:Right, but I think they're aged in barrels from Kentucky.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, they're not from Hazzard County, they're from Bourbon County. Yeah. But I think before we go too far, it's gonna be terrible, Toby. I guarantee it.
SPEAKER_03:Mike, I think we need to do one more introduction. What's that? We got an extra person today.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Angus is here. They took off, but Angus.
SPEAKER_01:He was here last week, I thought.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he was a jerk.
SPEAKER_01:Didn't really help out at all.
SPEAKER_02:No. He played a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:He plays good music.
SPEAKER_03:He plays good music. So Jim, you do the introduction. So who do we have sitting next to you, Toby?
SPEAKER_01:Joining us today is Elizabeth.
SPEAKER_05:So Hello everyone.
SPEAKER_03:So Elizabeth, can you tell us not about yourself, but about Jim. No, about your perspective on beer, bourbon, anything like that. That that is interesting for the listeners.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I enjoy drinking all kinds of beer and just interested to try out some different flavors and see what we have today.
SPEAKER_03:Awesome. Well, that's that's good. So let me ask you this. Have you ever had the beers that we're trying? Have you ever had any of this style before?
SPEAKER_05:I have had bourbon age beer before, but I don't know if I've had any of these particular ones.
SPEAKER_03:All right. So are you looking forward to giving these a whirl? I mean, are you gonna be scared? Because this is not for the faint of heart for any of these.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I that's why I can't figure out why Jim is here. He's usually faint of heart.
SPEAKER_01:It does make you wonder.
SPEAKER_02:It kind of does.
SPEAKER_05:No, I I'm willing to just try a little bit of everything. So awesome.
SPEAKER_03:Well, thank you for joining us. And remember, every opinion's valued except Mike's. And when I ask the questions, I'll make sure I give you the answer first so you can enlighten Mike because he needs to be educated.
SPEAKER_02:If you listened last week, even when I get the answer right, I get it wrong.
SPEAKER_03:So no I was just trying to be I asked the judges and they gave me the the true response. Yeah, yeah. You and the judges are right. So speaking, speaking of that, can we what's our first beer?
SPEAKER_02:Or can we have should we have well before we before we get into the beers, I do have a story for you. Oh so last couple weeks and weeks ago, we were in Hayward and we went to the marketplace, which is a grocery store slash, and they have a liquor department, you know, like the ones around here, some of them do. All right. And we were walking in the craft beer hours, my wife and I, Susie and I, and there were two younger guys that were walking down the aisle, and they were like, Boy, this is they got a good selection of beer here. And they pick something up, and they're like, Man, I don't know.$20 for a 12-pack, that's a lot. Ooh. Looking at the beers that we have here, I don't think there was a beer that was under 20 bucks for a bottle.
SPEAKER_03:No, some of these, I mean, I know that you're gonna have the pictures, but some of these in the boxes are probably more than double.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say they're 40, 50, 60 bucks. Yes. So I just thought it was kind of funny. You know, the younger folk, they just they they don't realize yet right where it's going.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:I have another story for you too.
SPEAKER_03:I mean this one. Let's should we do it for the next beer?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I'll do it in between.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so this is let's have Besides read the first first one because we're gonna we're gonna start this off easy soon.
SPEAKER_02:All right, the first what?
SPEAKER_03:First beer.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, good.
SPEAKER_01:So just before we get going, yep, um, maybe the listeners should know that these are all from the same year.
SPEAKER_02:They're all from 2022. Yes. All right, except for the the last one. We have we have five from Goose Island, and the other one is from the Dragon Spell. Dragon's Okay, so for New Holland.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:And it's a special one. So very, very special. So that's 2024. Okay. Okay, but yeah, the the Goose Island ones are 2022.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so we'll have this read the little description. This is the shortest description and our only opportunity.
SPEAKER_05:So this is a 2022 Bourbon County brand, original stout. It's 14.3 ADV. Um, every year since its inception in 1992, we strive to honor the original bourbon county stout recipe. And 30 years later, we continue Gregory Hill's legacy and passion for making the best beer possible, starting with the best barrels the bourbon trail has to offer. This year, our Imperial Stout is aged and blended from freshly emptied bourbon barrels from Haven Hill, four roses, wild turkey wild turkey, and buffalo trace distilleries. Expect flavors of vanilla, dark chocolate, coffee, molasses, almond, and dried fruit.
SPEAKER_03:Awesome.
SPEAKER_02:You did a very good job. That's awesome. Man, I'm glad I don't have to read that stuff. Yeah, that's a lot. Especially on that last one.
SPEAKER_03:There's like a lot of stuff. But again, you know what? Just from what she said, I mean, those four distilleries make awesome, make awesome bourbon.
SPEAKER_02:So I have a question for you, Jim. Yeah, so the the original was aged and all of those? Yes. That's crazy. I didn't have any idea on that.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's why I didn't know either until I printed some of this off. I'm like, you know, sometimes I think it's like monotonous, like trying to print off some of the list, but I think it's good to have some a little bit of background to know what we're drinking. Because I mean, this is I mean, I'm not tootin' Bourbon County's horn, but they do a pretty good job. Oh yeah. They know what they're doing. All right, so are we ready? Are we are we ready to start drinking some?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So this is the original style. Original style. 14.3% from 2022. That's just terrible, terrible Toby.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, terrible smooth.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. That is that's pretty crazy. Wow. You know what's gonna be the hard part, Mike? What's that? We have how many beers? One, two, three, four. We got five.
SPEAKER_02:Well, six total, five from these guys.
SPEAKER_03:And my calculations are right. We're gonna have to go from four on up. So we may we may have I might surprise you.
SPEAKER_02:We might have something above Toby may come in and say that's a two. Who knows?
SPEAKER_03:We might have a beer that's higher than we've ever rated.
SPEAKER_02:Just based on that's that's pretty old.
SPEAKER_03:Because this is the base model that's aged in all the other books. Wow, this is this is good.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, you could be, but it's good.
SPEAKER_03:Toby, are you you are you if you had enough to like give a score? Oh, to give a score. Um because we're even gonna ask this to give a score too. She's gonna have to jump in here.
SPEAKER_01:So, you know, I obviously the the the more you're exposed to things, the more you think about things, the more I listen to you guys.
SPEAKER_03:Not Mike, just the guys.
SPEAKER_01:It it it makes you wonder about like all the flavors. There was a lot in this description, right? Right. I can't pick out the differences in the flavors, but again, it's just such a good blend that makes it really, really good. And and and you're right, it's the base model. Um, do you go up from here? Do you do you go down based off of maybe some of the other flavors that are incorporated in it? It's hard to believe that that you would go down, you know, some of the the ABV might be a little less than some of the other ones, um, but usually comparable in what they do and even a little higher. So where do you start? You know, Jim, you alluded to the the the 4.0, you know, kind of throwing it right out there. I'm gonna base off of some other experiences, I'm gonna start this one at like a 3.9.
SPEAKER_03:All right. Well, and that's that's that's why it's open to anybody. So awesome. I mean, is there something in particular you think that's not quite there to put it over the top?
SPEAKER_01:So uh I think what keeps it in the three range is just the fact that it had a great description of of like some big name barrels, but I can't taste any of the differences in those barrels. You know, you pointed that out before, so I'm like, okay, that kind of makes me wonder. Like, we know Bourbon County has good quality, we've always been impressed with it, but baseline, I think I feel like I have to be under that mark because I'm hoping some of the other flavors come through in some of the other beers.
SPEAKER_03:Makes sense. Yep. All right, Biz, you're gonna be on, you're on now. So, Mike, um, since we do have a new guest, you know a little bit about craft beer. I've tried a lot of craft beer, yes. All right, so then the other point is when you rate him in untapped, what is the rating scale and where is your median?
SPEAKER_02:It's from zero to five by tenth of a point. And I believe my average overall is like 2.9 in that ballpark.
SPEAKER_03:So just FYI.
SPEAKER_02:But now I got to remember five is the middle average.
SPEAKER_03:So Mike overrates every one of his beers so that he can claim that they're always better. I always claim it down a little bit lower because I'm more realistic.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:No, that's not it at all, but it's just that I've tried way more good beers than Jim has. For a long time he was hooked on Miller Lite, so Oh why.
SPEAKER_03:So does that does that help work? That's helpful, yes. Thank you. So but here's here's the other part. Regardless of Mike's rating or my rating, yeah, it is your opinion.
SPEAKER_05:Sure.
SPEAKER_03:Don't worry about what the scores are. You can so the only thing that I always try to impress upon everybody is to not have the same score. And the only reason is the listeners want to know what is better that we think is better. So if we rate them all at a 3-9, they're gonna they're not gonna be they're gonna be like, well, which do I know which one's better?
SPEAKER_02:That's not it at all. Jim is O C D, and if he sees two numbers that are the same, it freaks him out.
SPEAKER_05:But we don't want to do that today.
SPEAKER_03:So that's so that's the only thing. So as long as you don't have the same number, right? You could start at 0.1 and go up, or 0.5 or worked out. Whatever.
SPEAKER_02:There's no wrong answer, but if we think your answer's wrong, we'll tell you.
SPEAKER_05:Well, yeah, especially Jim. Let us know.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, good. That's that's my role.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I think this is very drinkable beer. Uh, I would have to agree that it's hard to pick out specific flavors. And I'm gonna say, since this is my first rating experience, I'm gonna go out give it a 3.3.
SPEAKER_02:She's way off. Way off, Toby. I'm just I'm teasing. I'm teasing you. I'm teasing you. All right, Mike. I was honestly, Jim, I was gonna say a 3.8. Uh and more, not so much on the barrels, Toby, but more so because when it's talking toffee and almonds and dried, I really don't pick that up. I I get the the kind of that boozy flavor, and it's super good, don't get me wrong. But when you're trying to kind of pick it apart a little bit, there's these other flavors that they're talking about that I don't taste. So that's that's the only reason that it's still a very good beer.
SPEAKER_03:So I think all three of you are wrong. I really like this beer, and I alluded to my score already. It's gonna be a 4.0. I I like this. I mean, so the one thing that I really am struggling with is what you guys are already kind of touched on. It hits all my favorite bourbons, and somehow they did craft them together, but I can't pick them out separately.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So they used my four favorite bourbons and put it into a beer, which I don't think there isn't another product out there that can say that that's ever blended all four of those just separate bourbons together. Now we have a four bourbons blended as a beer.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I I think we've talked about this before, but uh, we'd have to look it up because I know on Black Fridays they out before they had a thing where you could buy a ticket to go to the brewery and try all of the the you can't buy them there, but you get to try them all. Right. So some some year we should look at possibly doing that as well.
SPEAKER_03:So that would be a very noble thing for you to figure out, Mike, how to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. It's all on me. No problem, no problem. Could you do that? Sure, I can do that.
SPEAKER_05:Sounds like he's on it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm on it. So, does anybody know what that sound is?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that sounds like Mike getting ripped on some more questions. Are we ready for the easy? I'm gonna start off with the easy questions again. Yeah, go for it.
SPEAKER_02:All right, because I know if I get it right, I'm gonna get it wrong.
SPEAKER_03:So we're gonna I'm gonna go back into Toby's realm talking about history. Did you write that? Is it t-shirt? Oh great. Okay, it's kind of a two-part question, and we're talking the history of bourbon barrel aging. Okay, okay. Who was the name of the I want the name of the person who started the first distillery and in what year? The first distillery? Right. That was because they you in the US or in the world? Um, see, he didn't think this through, did he? Uh let's go world. And we're gonna see. Um, the reason why the reason why we have to know that is because the beer we're drinking is aged in the barrel. So you have to have the one before you can have the beer. See, you gotta have the bourbon first so you can put the beer in it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna say you need a first and last name, or can I just say like you can say last, you can say either either one. I'm gonna know who you're talking about. I'm sure you will. And I'm gonna give you a hint the year starts with a one.
SPEAKER_02:I pretty much figured. Thank you. The first distillery in the world. Yep. I'm gonna say Sven in 1704. Close, good answer. Toby?
SPEAKER_03:Just first name or last name, either one. Either one.
SPEAKER_00:You don't have to lie. I know you got the answer, so I'm gonna go with James and Bertles and James. Are you intruding on my answer?
SPEAKER_01:Are you trying to take credit? Sorry. Uh James, and I'm gonna go 1756. Close.
SPEAKER_03:I think we're both getting done on this one. Um, so biz, I know you've thought about this for a while. What is what is your response?
SPEAKER_05:You know, it's taken me a while to come up with this, but I'm gonna say Elijah Craig in 1789.
SPEAKER_03:Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Wow. For her first time on, and she smokes both.
SPEAKER_02:It is weird how those new people on the podcast always get the exact right answer. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03:So I mean, like and and that specific date, just out of nowhere. Yeah, Biz gets a thousand points. Yes, and um you guys are minus five thousand. You guys didn't even come close. At least I mean, Biz had it like nail on the head, perfect.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's weird. All right, sweet. So, all right, so the other story I was gonna tell you. Oh, yes, and it's rather interesting. So uh is it better than the the Elijah Craig? Well, no, but it's funny. Oh, because my daughter went to a wedding down in Missouri, and you know how they have like the candy bar and the whatever, you know, where you got all these candies on a table, whatever. Uh this wedding they had a tobacco bar, they had cigarettes and cigars at the reception.
SPEAKER_03:Cigarettes and coffee, like our beer?
SPEAKER_02:No, cigarettes and cigars. What'd she pick? She never told me that. Oh, yeah, I should ask her. What did what exactly did you take? I don't think she took anything, but I know her her friend took a cigar. All right, well, good for it. But uh, I I thought that's rather interesting. I've never heard of a a wedding having a tobacco bar.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. I did just see one on YouTube on one of the channels I watched. At the end of the night, you know when it gets down for the sandwich, they had culverts delivered.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we so the last wedding we were after had Domino's pizza delivered last year. Remember?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Domino's is all right, but culvers they must have been high flute and they had culverts and they were farmers.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so Toe, you want to read off the next one of what we got on tap? Yours is only three-quarters of a page.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. All right. So we've got our 2022 Bourbon County brand coffee stout. Nice. And this one goes down in ABV, it's uh only 13.2 percent. Okay. In 2010, they released the first ever bourbon county stout variants, and our Goose Island Bourbon County Coffee Stout has been a fan favorite ever since. For the first time since 2017, we brought back a coffee variant this year in partnership with our friends and neighbors, Intelligentsia coffee. Intelligentsia relies on Burundi for some of the cleanest, sweetest coffees in the world that ultimately complement the quality and tasting notes of the Burfee Man, hang on here, of the Bourbon County stout. So the specific coffee blend combines with our Imperial stout is called Chiruhami.
SPEAKER_03:Can you say that again?
SPEAKER_01:No, I can't. That's easy for you. Which means together. That's okay. Right. And is a perfect tribute to all the hands that go into making it. From the female coffee farmers in Burundi, I don't know what he's making me read here, that produced the blend to our friends in Intelligentsia, the first brand we work with on a variant back in 2010. So the result of this togetherness is an exceptional coffee variant featuring rich chocolate, coffee, and caramel flavors that will appeal to coffee drinkers and beer lovers alike.
SPEAKER_03:All right, can you repeat that just so we make sure we get it right? I would like to say any hate mail can be directed to Jim.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Just press rewind if you want to hear that again.
SPEAKER_05:That's what I was gonna say. Just rewind it.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. You did a great job, Toby. Thank you. Thanks for the warning. It is funny because I'm not a coffee drinker, but I will drink coffee stout. And you can taste the coffee. But it's not like it's not like the wet coffee ground taste.
SPEAKER_03:It's not over the top.
SPEAKER_01:This yeah, and I think you know, I've mentioned it before that sometimes it's that coffee grounds and ashtray, but there's no ashtray here. I mean, there's coffee and you could probably warm this up in your coffee your cup when you go to work in the morning.
SPEAKER_02:Could you pour a little bit in?
SPEAKER_05:I could, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:This is not bad.
SPEAKER_02:This is no, this is pretty good.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, this I mean, and I guess for me smooth. I like the the coffee part, you're always afraid they go over the top with coffee. Yeah, this is very subtle. I think I'm tasting the chocolate and caramel kind of.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. It does have a little bit of a sweetness to it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I can't I I can't decide if uh it's caramel or chocolate that I'm getting out of it. But just a little bit of sweet.
SPEAKER_02:A little bit. The initial is the coffee, and you get that little sweetness.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's interesting that it took him eight years to revisit this. Yeah, that's kind of wild. You know, I mean it's it it's not bad.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, no. I this is I like it. So, Toby, you are first. So um, gosh, I think he's thinking hard on this one.
SPEAKER_01:I am. I'm I'm trying to decide if I I I I think I gotta go one one-tenth above a 4.0, so I'm gonna go 4.1. Nice. Because I I do and I've not been a coffee drinker my whole life until COVID hit, and I drink coffee. I can't say I overly enjoy it, um, but I I do enjoy this beer, so it it it it's about a that 4.1 for me.
SPEAKER_03:So just so I can clarify for the listeners, because a 4.0 is kind of the upper echelon. And you don't like coffee, but you put it up there. So why why did you do that?
SPEAKER_01:It just to me it has just a good balance of flavor. You know, you you get that coffee to it. There's like I mentioned, the sweet. Not sure if it's a chocolate or the caramel, but it's a very good blend. Okay, perfect. Mike? I'm gonna go a 2.4.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna see if Jim would like his head would explode. I'm gonna see if his head would explode. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna go a 4.0. All right. I was trying to see if if Jim was like, what? Again, I think coffee-wise, it's like a super touchy. It's real easy to go. I'm not a coffee drinker. Okay, you're not a coffee drinker. No, but and I think sometimes they go way too heavy on the coffee, but this I think is very good balance. And I do like it. I mean, the the original, the the base model is very good, but I think this one just kind of ups it that little bit. And like I said, that that little bit of a sweetness at the end too is it's very good. I I really like it. All right, Biz, you're next.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, well, I'm new to this and I love coffee and beer. Um, but I don't love chocolate. I think the sweetness is probably chocolate. I don't taste caramely, but I definitely am going to up it and give it a 3-8.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. Okay, perfect. So I like it. I mean, because for me, so I I'm not a coffee drinker anymore. I used to drink coffee, so I don't mind coffee. But what's good about this is you don't even have to, I don't think you have to be a coffee drinker to like this because the coffee is down. I mean, it's not it's not the overpowering flavor. So for that, I I like it. And then at 13.2, it's double digits way up very much. Very smooth for that. Very smooth. So I'm gonna go a 4.1 because Toby looked at my notes again and he copied what I had. So Toby. It's it's very good.
SPEAKER_02:But that's okay, Toby. You get a thousand points. Jim loses points for it. Perfect, because he copied your answer. That's right. It's a very good beer. I agree with you though, Jim, because I don't know, I just like coffee itself. I'm not, you know, if it smelled as good as it or tasted as good as it smelled, I'd like it. But in a in a stout, I do like it. Yeah. I mean, I can drink that, and I'm I'm really glad that this one doesn't make it to where you're it's like too much. Right. You know what I mean? 100%. Yeah, so it's it's good, really good.
SPEAKER_03:So going back to our easy questions again, we talked about oh, that's a good sound.
SPEAKER_02:Um, hurry up and get your question out of the way so we can drink this. So I'm I gotta formulate it because I I copied the information. You copied an answer, but I didn't copy the question.
SPEAKER_03:There wasn't a question, just the answer. Oh, now I'm understanding. So this I think is gonna be a little tricky. Okay. My question is uh hopefully I can craft this correctly. But so the theme of these beers is what bourbon county. Bourbon County Bourbon or Bourbon, all right. Yeah, okay. Where did Bourbon get its name? There is a place. Where did it get its name? The name Bourbon?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, well, it's gotta be in Kentucky.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so that's Mike's answer, is Kentucky. Toby?
SPEAKER_01:From Burbania, Transylvania.
SPEAKER_02:That's a good question. That's a good answer, Toby. Bourbania, huh?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, all right.
SPEAKER_02:So Biz, let's that's that's a next door neighbor to Brandyvania. Yes, and vodkovania.
SPEAKER_03:You know your geography. Yes, yeah. All right, so Biz, do you have uh look? Could you have I hope you can like get us like back in the ballpark?
SPEAKER_05:You guys, the name came from the House of Bourbon is a dynasty that originated from the kingdom of France, obviously. Wow, how did you not know about it? Why did you guys not know?
SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry, but you're wrong. There's Bourbon Bourbon Vania.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's right next to Transylvania, Bourbon Vania.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, 10,000 points for biz on that one, and minus 10,000 for I can't believe you got you guys weren't even in you guys are playing football with a baseball bat.
SPEAKER_01:I was in the right continent, kind of. You were in the right handless gonna work.
SPEAKER_02:You kind of were. You were north of the I give you that. That's about as close as I forgot about Bourbon Vania and Brandyvania and Tito, Tito's Vania. It's a newer place now. All right, Mike. All right, read this one so we can so once again we're back in 2022. Yes, bourbon County brand Biscotti Stout. Biscotty 14.3.
SPEAKER_03:Is that like beam me up Scotty? Yeah, yeah. Kind of like structure.
SPEAKER_02:Sure, exactly.
SPEAKER_05:Bascoty is a pastry.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you. Wow, I thought it was beat me up scotty. You know what's funny, Toby? If we'd have said that, he'd have been like, No, it isn't. No, you don't know what you're talking about. It's true. All right, it sounds like beat me up, Scotty. It could be so their description of this one is fairly long again. Uh at Goose Island, we believe ideas and inspiration can come from anyone in the goose family. So the gander, you know, people like that. Some dude came up like this? Yeah. Uh we bel and our Biscotti Stout is a perfect example that came from our very own HR team. Ooh, HR. Inspired by the Italian desserts of her childhood, Jill Ceroni, people manager. Really? People manager? It's HR.
SPEAKER_03:I'll write it.
SPEAKER_02:At Goose Island, dreamed up this variant after grabbing a box of chocolate dippiscotti from her cabinet. Apparently, she's got a lot of money if she can have those hoity toy type desserts. Don't check my cabinet. You're gonna be the biscotti in my cabinet. If you're lucky, um there might be a like a kit cab in there, but there ain't none of that fancy stuff. Fancy sh stuff. Let's see. Working with the brewing team, Jill, yeah, she was working with them all right. She was like, You make this or you're out of here.
SPEAKER_03:I'm HR.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Do what I say.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's kind of like a principle. Do what I say. What's it say there, Mike? Working with the brewing team, J Jill brought the flavor, this flavor to life with notes of anis. I know where you were going there. Anis, which is licorice. Oh you guys. You said it. You need it, you're gonna, I'm sending you to HR here in a minute. You said it. So anise, marzipan, cocoa, and buttered toffee. Huh?
SPEAKER_03:Isn't Lerezipan a drug? What are you talking about? It's Marzipan.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, not oh my gosh. I thought you said cover your drinks. Jim's gonna roofie somebody here, apparently. All right. Now I lost my okay. The Biscotti enhances flavors already found in our bourbon county stout and add strong notes of nostalgia from your Italian grandmother's kitchen. One sip, and you'll be reminded of what is a Pazelli cookies, Easter panty deep, yeah, Pasqua, and of course, almond biscotti. Wow. You struggled with that one, buddy. Well, those I've never heard of most of them. Are we still talking about beer? No, but I'm hungry all of a sudden. And I think Jim's got those hoiti-toity desserts in his cabinet.
SPEAKER_03:You saw my hoity toity stuff upstairs. Yeah. It wasn't biscottis. No, but it's the aroma smells almost like a cookie, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Kind of cookie-ish. Oh, that flavor is definitely a sweeter. Not like not like sugar, sweet, but like right.
SPEAKER_03:It's there's there's a cookie, like a liquid cookie.
SPEAKER_02:There's a different flavor to that one.
SPEAKER_03:Biz, you have to make smile. I mean, do you see taste something that we're not getting?
SPEAKER_05:No, I'm just glad that I knew what a biscotti was.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:She was looking at she was looking at you. That makes three of us. Jim had no idea.
SPEAKER_05:No, I had to tell all of you what it was.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you very much. You were you were correct. I had no idea. Oh, she's already on Jim's side, Toby. Do you see that?
SPEAKER_03:I thought it was BDM Scotty. I thought it was a Star Trek reference, and it wasn't even close.
SPEAKER_01:That's what happens when you get all the points. Yeah, when you get it all answered. They're going to town to get the Muscotty. I'll be honest with you. Um you read the description. You know, that there were definitely some big words in there that Mike said.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um that he struggled with. But then when you look at the bottle, it just says notes of mouseupon, cocoa, butter, toffee, and black licorice, right? Me, me as a person is going to see black licorice and we ooh. And unfortunately, that's all I taste out of this. The finish is black licorice. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Big time. Oh, yeah, I taste that for sure. I definitely on the finish, I get that. But I like black licorice. Yeah. So I don't I don't mind it.
SPEAKER_03:Well, then with that, Toby, do you want to go first? Because we'd rather have your opinion first, so then so we don't like trying to persuade you to raise it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I thought just so you could make your numbers look better.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's only we're dealing with Mike. We your your numbers are always valued.
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SPEAKER_03:This is I like the this is good. This tastes I I think it's good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, this is. Yeah, Toby, what do you what do you think? I know you're not a fan of licorice.
SPEAKER_01:So drinkability, fantastic, right? Smooth. You know, their their base, in my opinion, has some definite bourbon, like that burn. Like in the finish, the more I drank of it, the more I I could kind of get that. This doesn't have that. It it it's not bad. But for me, this is worse than the coconut guys. Like that Licorice just jumps out at me, and and I can't, I don't like that finish. So for me, it drops down to like a two eight. All right.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and that's and I know Mike and I always talk about this. Every opinion is valued because we all don't have the same just Facebook.
SPEAKER_02:Some opinions are way more valuable than others, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So thank you. Depends on who you ask. Yeah, depends on who you ask. So thank you for being honest to me. I mean, we appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. So I know that you knew this before we even took a drink. And so what do you what are your thoughts? What do you think?
SPEAKER_05:Well, I'm not gonna say I knew all of it, but I did know that a biscotti was a pastry. Um, it's sweet. Um, I don't love black licorice, but it's not turning me off necessarily. Definitely a drinkable beer. I'm but I didn't like it as much as I like the coffee.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_05:But I like coffee, so maybe that's I don't know. That's my opinion. I'm gonna do a three, five.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay. Awesome. You know, when Toby had said about that on the finish, that's what he tasted was black, and I and it is. I tasted that 100%, but I really like black licorice. You know, I like I like, you know, there's like Anna set is a lagre that's like a black licorice flavor. Uh and then there's um what's the green? Uh oh, Jägermeister? No. Green bottle. That's where I was going. Is that Jägermeister's kind of licorice, right? Anyway, I've drawn a blank on the name of it. But I I really like the the black licorice flavor. So honestly, I do like this, and I think I'm gonna go a 4-1 on this just because I do I like that black licorice flavor. Yeah, and I think it's super smooth, just a really good flavor. It's sweet, but it's not over the top like some of them we've had.
SPEAKER_03:Sure. So and I echo everything everybody said. Absinthe, that was it. Absinthe. Yes. So, what really caught me at first was that aroma. It's it smells like a cookie. You know, I know that the Scotty's not a cookie. It's kind of a kind of a flat bread-ish thing, right?
SPEAKER_05:I think it's yeah, it's a fancy pastry.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, right. The aroma smells just like that. The flavor, like Toby said, is a little bit black licorice, but I don't mind. I mean, I'm probably, I'll have to admit, if there's a little licorice bites in the bowl, I'll dig for the little black licorice one.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03:I will that's the ones I go for. You guys are thinking that explains a lot. But I mean, I like black licorice, and I mean this to me, so it's got the good cookie flavor on the front end, and the flavor is like a black lic. I mean, I really like I mean that to me, and it's well blended, well crafted. To me, this is the best one so far. I'm gonna go in a 4.2.
SPEAKER_02:I I like yeah, like I said, if if you're not if you're not a fan of black licorice, I can totally see how that would turn you off. Yes, because that is a very predominant flavor.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and you know, and I mean, and my numbers are above average. Oh, yeah, it's still way above average. But it just it's a flavor that I do not care to drink.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, and we're totally understand that. We're not talking about it. I mean, the good part of the podcast is that people get to hear different perspectives.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:It's not it's not just us. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:All right, we've got three. Oh, I was hoping he forgot those questions and we were just gonna keep drinking.
SPEAKER_03:But so another I'm I'm doing the slow pitch softball, the little arc, so you guys can hit another home run. Okay, now there are probably more answers to this question than what I have. Okay. Treat it like a little baby.
SPEAKER_02:Don't just just you just read your question, let Toby deal with what Toby's dealing with here. All right, so how do you get that thing out of the box? Slides. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, Jim, go ahead. So we're talking barrel-aged beers again, correct? Yes, there are different types of barrels you can use to age beering, correct? Correct. So give me the three general variations. So I don't want you to say like bourbon or like barn bardstown, bourbon barrel. Right. I don't want that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the the general category.
SPEAKER_02:So three three general categories. Okay. The the most common you're saying, yes. Okay, Toby, you want to go first? You you said your you can say it again so people can hear for sure. Bourbon, okay, rye, okay, and barley, okay. Wine. All right. Mine was gonna be bourbon, rum, and uh, because uh I'm I I have this horrible thought there's gonna be like another, like a really bad one, but I'll say brandy is the other one. So bourbon, brandy, and rum.
SPEAKER_03:So we did is did we have some audience participation to help too?
SPEAKER_05:Did you have a suggestion? Nope. Oh, get the answer. All right. Well, I've got this then. Oak barrels. Wait a minute. See, I said uh used bourbon barrels and um wine barrels.
SPEAKER_01:Very good answer. So, so this always generates a question in my mind, and I'm not not sure I quite understand it yet, and I want to spend some more time down in in Kentucky in the Louisville area. But the difference between a bourbon and a whiskey, or what makes a whiskey, even though it's a bourbon, I like I still don't off the top of my head.
SPEAKER_02:Every whiskey is not a bourbon, but every bourbon is a whiskey.
SPEAKER_03:And does it uh didn't we actually answer that question once? We did once.
SPEAKER_02:And it has to do with it has to be 51% corn to be bourbon. And it has to be in a brand new barrel. It has to be in a brand new oak barrel. Yes. And it was always you know, people always think, oh, it has to be made in Kentucky, but technically that is not part of it.
SPEAKER_04:I thought it was the location.
SPEAKER_02:But it types will be the grain. Never been used before. Right. So and you can only use the barrel once for bourbon. Yes. So that's why you see all this how many times can you use it for beer? Well, you could probably use it over and over.
SPEAKER_05:Perfect.
SPEAKER_03:So I but I think the hard part is every time you do it, it when it pulls out more, right?
SPEAKER_02:It's gonna be less lower strength for Susan and I did a tour at Bullet when we were in Louisville the one time. And I think we talked about this before where you know you've heard of like, you know, the the part that evaporates, that's the angels cut. Or the angels' share, and then what's in the wood is the devil's cut, is what I call it. And and um was it uh Jim Bean or Jim Bean, maybe that had the head that it was called the Devil's Cut, where they somehow sucked it out of the wood, and it, you know, I've never I don't think I've interested it was I don't think it was Jack, but it was one of the other could I get a drink?
SPEAKER_03:Because I'm getting kind of actually no, you can't.
SPEAKER_00:You're gonna listen to us for a while now. Well, he if he wants to have a drink, that means no more trivia. Oh, yeah, perfect. Yeah, yeah, here. Hurry, hurry.
SPEAKER_03:Because Biz got that one right again. I mean, Mike, I'm glad Toby Brown is along because she's got educating you more than I ever.
SPEAKER_02:I do have a question though, Jim. Nobody read the description on this next beer. So you want me to? You probably should. All right since he was so oh, this is like one sentence long.
SPEAKER_03:This is the 2022 Bourbon County That's all he's gonna read is two-year barley wine old Fitzgerald. 17 per oh wait, well, we're on the wrong one. No, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We're on this one.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, we're on the Bourbon Strike one for Jim 30th anniversary.
SPEAKER_03:Negative negative 10,000. Okay, reserve stout 14.4 percent. So this is based on their 30th anniversary from 1992 to 2022, and this was in collaboration with Knob Creek, yay, which is I think Toby does like knobcreek, he's had a few variations of the knobcreek, love knob creek, bookers, bookers is a big name, bakers, I don't know if I've heard of Bakers and Basil Hayden. I have Basil Hayden, I like Basil Hayden as well. So we created a special 30th anniversary stout to pay homage to the serendipitous union between Gregory Hall and Booker No, that then led to subsequent years, variants, and traditions from Black Friday lines to bottle shares and more, going back to the inception of Bourbon County Stout. The 30th anniversary stout is aged from a blend of gym beam barrels from their small batch bourbon collection barrels. Each of the remarkable bourbon barrels offer characteristics unique to each of bourbon's distinct nuances. They are then blended together for a complex, balanced expression that celebrates the heritage and legacy of both brands. And as history would have it, Jim Beam launched their first ever small batch bourbon collection 30 years ago. This 30th anniversary reserve stout is a culmination signifying the historical groundbreaking shifts in both the bourbon and beer industries from two visionaries all those years ago. Both the concept of small batch bourbons and bourbon barrel age beers have changed our respective drinking communities forever. And the 30th anniversary stout is a celebration of all the people that have enjoyed, worked on, and been a part of the bourbon county stout brand over the years.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:That's easy to say. I can't believe you guys stumbled on anything.
SPEAKER_01:I I I can get behind that, but I have some questions for you, Jim, since you seem to to know.
SPEAKER_02:You don't get any, you you've read too much.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So can you break down the percentages of each of the bourbon barrels used? So, like the Bookers, the Knob Creek, the Basil Hayden, and the Bakers. Do you know what percentage of those products was in those? 25. So you're saying an even quarter.
SPEAKER_03:Make it straight across the board.
SPEAKER_01:Mike, this is your opportunity to to see if you can redeem yourself.
SPEAKER_02:Boy, I think Jim's a little off.
SPEAKER_01:You think so?
SPEAKER_02:I I do. How could that be? Just totally off the top of my head. I'm gonna say the first one, I think they probably like bookers. They probably maybe beefed up a little bit on the booker.
SPEAKER_01:I'm guessing that's probably like mid to high 30s.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna go 36-ish. Okay. And then I think the next one that they had, it's probably not pretty because that's a big named. I'm gonna knock it down just a little bit, just you know, I'm gonna say like a 33 ballpark. Um, so then you know, Basil Hayden was kind of that new and up and coming kind of one. So but I think it's gonna be drop down, you know. So they didn't know how to take it. So I'm I'm like a 17-ish, I think. And then I think that bakers, I don't know if they really knew them either. So I'm gonna say they're the lowest one that like a you know, like a 14, I think, is what I would say. I you know, Mike, you're you're dead on.
SPEAKER_00:Really? Like, really? Your numbers add up to 100%. Oh my gosh, your your numbers add up to 100%. That is so crazy. I get it, surprise.
SPEAKER_03:I think I get 20,000 points for that. At least. At least. Good good thing I'm keeping score, though. Zero zero. Well, this is it. So, I mean, it's amazing. So, Toby, did you tell the listeners what it was like to open up this bottle? Yeah, so then what was it like to open this is pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01:Um, it not only just comes in one of the traditional Bourbon County bottles, but it comes in a box that has um openings on three of the four sides. And when you try to open it, you can't open the top. You can't open the bottom. You you you need to look at it and it it slides out. So it's like a sleeve, and then the bottle is still protected on all three sides, or all three sides, three of the sides, uh, and it comes out in this nice sleeve where you can remove the bottle from it. So it not only is it phenomenal in taste, but it's pretty cool packaging.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, awesome sure. So so they might get a tenth of a point just for their packaging. See, that's why we don't have that very often. We talk about the Brian piece for the artwork, but I think that's just just having that well, it's not a silo like some of the other ones, right?
SPEAKER_02:You know, and and that is the one thing that they do with some of their one, especially the the fancier barrel age stuff that they do. They have them in some kind of a kind of a fancy container. Well, that they should for what we pay for them, but you know, that's uh yeah, that bottle there costs more than the toll pack that those guys were uh you want to you want to go first on your um this is this is this is good. This is good. This is this is very good. This is uh amazing for a beer. Boy, I'm I yeah, that's good. I'm gonna go with a 4.3 is there is there an asterisk by that? Well, if they'd use a touch more basil Hayden, it might have been better, but no.
SPEAKER_03:There's no there's no beer of the year possibility?
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, we could definitely put a stuff. Yeah, we can yeah, I'd nominate it for that because that's that's very good. Just the blend that they did. You you can't really pick them out, you know. And we've I think we've learned that when they have multiple barrels, you really can't pick it out per se. Yes, but just it's very smooth, very good. And what'd you say it was for for ABV? Um, okay, yeah. So it but it's super smooth, yeah. It doesn't have a burn to it or anything like that. So could you for our new attendee, what does a beer of the year mean? Uh nominee. We at the end of the year we name a beer of the year, like the best beer that we had for that year. So last year it was the was it last year, year before was the the Central Waters Pappy, Pappy Van Winkle Barrel. Yep. And uh so I mean it's yeah. So that's when we nominate very prestigious, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Sure, sure. I mean, we go through a lot of effort to make pick this up.
SPEAKER_05:High quality, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:So that that was that's a good recognition to be named as. Yes. So which one do you guys want to go next?
SPEAKER_05:Um, I also agree that this is delicious, very smooth. Um, I'm gonna go with a 4.0.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, you really jumped up your score. I so what what sticks out? What sticks out for you?
SPEAKER_05:I like this better than the coffee beer, I which was my highest so far because I just really like coffee, like I said, and beer. This is smooth, easy to drink, and it didn't give the description of all the different flavors, so I wasn't like looking for that, but it I enjoyed just the overall flavor.
SPEAKER_02:That's a good point. Because we're not looking trying to find vanilla or whatever. Like I said, there's a very long write-up, but yeah, but they didn't go into that breakdown, but it's very good.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it wasn't like is this caramely, is this chocolatey? It was just tasty. You just tasted it. Yeah, yeah. Very good.
SPEAKER_01:So, you know, obviously, um, we're a fan of these these beers, Bourbon County. You know, they they've they've got something figured out. I I referenced them before, it's kind of like the grandfather of of the Bourbon County bears. And we were talking about the packaging before, and you know, this one says, brood with respect for tradition. With a unique that's another good thing we should put on ear with a unique story to tell. And I I think about that. I think it's very good advertising when any liquor or beer company comes at you with a story, because there's a story that people can tell when they drink these things, the people they hang out with, and um what it all kind of represents. And it says these barrels and beers are meant to be shared, and I think that encompasses really what what I believe, Mike, your podcast is all about. Like, let's let's share what we think about things so you might go out and and try some things. So, because of all that, um, and you know, I'm not I'm not around for all of these, but this flavor to me is is really good. Um, I enjoy this one. I'm all the way at a four-five.
SPEAKER_03:Dang, he's going big boy. I am big boy scores. Thank you very much to me for reading that. I I did not catch that on there. I mean, that's I wish that would have been part of what I had actually found because I think that encapsulates everything that Mike is trying to do with this podcast. Not anything that I do or we do, but it's trying to get the listeners to understand that there are a lot of flavors out there, a lot of flavors that are, in our opinion, a little bit better than the big box beers. And don't be afraid to try some of those beers just because they're they don't taste like the big box ones. Yeah, and I think kudos to Mike for doing his podcast for doing this, and I because I think that without this podcast, nobody would even know some of the things that are out there. So I I appreciate what you're doing, and I think that Bourbon County's really got a good oh yeah, yeah. This is a tough podcast to do on this thing here. So what's your score? So my scores Toby looked at my notes again. He's I'm going 4.5, and I got an asterisk by mine too. Oh, a beer of the year.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna tell you, Jim, I did uh receive some messages from a listener. Oh, did you a week ago? Okay. And uh actually, he remember we were talking about we were trying to find the ultimate Oktoberfest again from Founders. Yes, and he thought that he had found it in Arkansas. Oh, wow, okay. So he said, Hey, and he was traveling again, and he said his wife was gonna send him a picture, and then you he was gonna send it to me, right? Yep, and so he did send it to me, but it was the original, the normal Oktoberfest. Okay. But the thing that was really cool was when he messaged me, he said that he was listening to our Oktoberfest podcast this year. And he goes, I just want to let you guys know that our tastes in in Oktoberfest are are basically the same in how we saved him a bunch of money. Oh, because he listened to our podcast and then he didn't end up buying those those beers that we said weren't that that good. So that's I mean, like I said, that's that's a cool thing. That's awesome. Because that's what we're trying to do. Yes, you know. So all right.
SPEAKER_03:So I plugged in another question out of you guys, yeah. Sure. All right, so it since Biz is doing phenomenal, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:She's totally coming out of left field somehow.
SPEAKER_03:Um, another this is one of those easy questions again. I'm you know, that's the like the slow pitch right up the tea, right?
SPEAKER_05:Oh, that's right up my alley.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, what are the role? What is the role of barrels in flavor? That's easy. I gotta go last in this one. I'm sorry, as I already know.
SPEAKER_02:You should go first on this one.
SPEAKER_03:Oh we'll have we'll have what is the role of barrels?
SPEAKER_02:Yep. What in flavor? Well, yeah, because the beer goes soaks in and out of the barrels and pulls out the the flavor of the bourbon or whatever was in the barrel.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's that's like you sound like you're a politician. Like that's not very good. Toby, what do you got?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think when when you consider the reason why you would put it in the barrels, it would be very, very closely aligned to what Mike said to get the flavor of that type of bourbon or whatever was in that barrel to join or meld with the flavors of the beer. So I I I think we're onto something.
SPEAKER_03:That's a great answer, Toby. Uh I think uh help me out. What do you got?
SPEAKER_05:Well, I mean, it it's not just that it stores it, it contributes to the aging process.
SPEAKER_03:Nice.
SPEAKER_05:Um it is the beer in the barrel, it removes some of the flavors. It it it really brings out the taste that's determined by a variety of factors like the kind of wood. Um, American oak is the most popular for bourbon and whiskey. That's that's a given.
SPEAKER_02:That's a given. You know, the the You guys didn't even mention that. You know, Toby, you guys didn't even mention it. Toby, how do you how does it feel? Now you know how I feel.
SPEAKER_05:The char, it did it dictates the um amount of smokiness and the caramelization on the flavor.
SPEAKER_03:See, there's nothing she's said that we haven't said already. You guys didn't talk about char or caramelization.
SPEAKER_05:Those words are used bourbon barrels are rich with vanilla, caramel, spice.
SPEAKER_03:See?
SPEAKER_05:Again, it just adds to it.
SPEAKER_02:It adds see.
SPEAKER_05:That's not what I said. It's not what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02:You guys didn't mention we didn't, we didn't think we had to go into the you know the entire perspective.
SPEAKER_01:Well, well, I'm I'm understanding, Mike, how you feel. I do think that um this may kind of answer some of the questions that that are brought up in previous podcasts about all those flavors. So if the bourbon barrel had those flavors in to make a bourbon, they can probably say these flavors are associated with it, even though they might not come out as a dominant flavor. Right. But you have to kind of give credit where credit is due. Right.
SPEAKER_03:That's why we give Biz 50,000 because she did a very good job answering it.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's crazy how we can find these people that have never been on here before that knowledge. But they're highly educated. Highly educated process of beer. You're welcome. You're welcome.
SPEAKER_05:It's I'm so glad that could be here. Do we have another beer to do that? Yeah, let's drink that.
SPEAKER_02:You know what's funny is so there are. So whose turn is it to read? Toby's. Hold on. There are there are companies now that are taking the so you had the bourbon barrel, let's say, then they had beer in it, and then they're taking that back and making a different kind of whiskey in that. Right. So it's kind of interesting that they're doing that too. To see, I've never tasted one of those to see if you get that kind of a beer flavor, like an IP, whatever it is that they're making. I don't know. We'll have to look for that. So that'd be interesting to try.
SPEAKER_01:And you know, until Biz was kind of you know enlightening us with their knowledge, I didn't think about the fact that it takes flavors out of the liquid and what it may be, you know, because it gets absorbed into the wood. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I've just never thought of it that way. Right.
SPEAKER_03:So I agree with you. So which beer are we gonna drink now?
SPEAKER_01:Is this our fifth and final? This is our fifth and final bourbon county. Okay, yeah. And this is a 2022 again. It's a two-year barley wine with uh old Fritz Gerald. Nice. Okay. So what's the EBB? Yeah, this one's up a little bit. It's 17%. Oh you do you have your big boy pants on?
SPEAKER_05:They're on. Okay, good. I got them.
SPEAKER_01:No, I was talking to Toby.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:I always wear big boy pants. That's the only way it fits around the waist. So the Bourbon County Old Fritz Gerald 2022 is a limited edition barley wine that combines the rich heritage of Old Fritz Gerald Bourbon with a nuanced artistry of barley wine aging. So, for this reserve, we worked with our friends at Old Fritz Gerald to obtain three exceptional sets of barrels of varying ages from the distilleries Old Fritz Gerald's bottled in bond decanter series. This reserve offers us a rare opportunity to highlight the distinctive characteristics of our rich bear barley wine aged in 14-year, 16-year, and 17-year old barrels of amazing bourbon pedigree. Bringing back our classic English style barley wine for the first time since 2018. Interesting that all of these places are doing that, right? We knew that this was going to be something special. Our two-year barley wine reserve evokes the rich intricacies of old Fritz Gerald's bottled in bond series for a velvety taste of rich malt entwined with notes of toffee, cherry, vanilla, fig, and almond. Last paragraph, guys. The barley wine.
SPEAKER_03:You probably don't even have to say that last one because that was just a little extra stuff in case. Okay. But I mean that I think that really hits everything on the head, though.
SPEAKER_02:And we like I said, we've had old Fitzgerald.
SPEAKER_03:Didn't we have one on the last episode?
SPEAKER_02:We had yeah, last episode we had.
SPEAKER_03:That was a 19-year. Yes. Yes. And that one, remember, we couldn't really taste modified myself. Yeah. So hopefully this one goes.
SPEAKER_01:And I think while we're you you're kind of going through that, just one other thing to add that you know it it's a collector's delight due to the distinctive packaging. So again, this comes in a package similar to the last beer we talked about. Uh beautiful box that I struggled to get into again.
SPEAKER_05:I'm still not sure if he opened it the right way.
SPEAKER_01:I probably not, but um, I think that again, you're appealing to the collectors of of someone that may want to keep this, you know. And it's just part of their testament to commitment of excellence and the art of crafting exceptional barrel aged brews.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. I don't know about you guys, but that's good.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you already tried it?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I yeah, but Toby was reading his book. I just had it too. You you had me, you I you lost me, and I just started drinking. Boy, that's smooth. No burn. That's before we go into scores. I'm gonna say that's up for beer of the year. Is it you already got the well that is that is smooth. It's in the conversation. I'm not saying it's there, but it's in the conversation. That is really good. That's good.
SPEAKER_01:Again, you know, I I think I mentioned this uh maybe in the last podcast about how barley wine and and you know just isn't something that appeals to me in it in itself. But when they use the barrels when they do it the right way to make this beer that is smooth, it doesn't have that wine dryness. Yeah, they they did a good job with this one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's very good.
SPEAKER_03:So, Biz, what you haven't said much. What do you think?
SPEAKER_05:I think wine in a title turns people off, right? So when you are a beer drinker and you're like, oh, wine, I don't like wine, you're like, oh, I don't want to try that, but this it's it's not, it doesn't taste like wine per se. Um it it's a great combination of just a dark, yummy beer, and just I don't know, they made it with wine.
SPEAKER_02:That's a technical term. Yummy. Very, very technical. Yummy. Yummy is like third-degree beer drinker.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, well.
SPEAKER_02:You're getting up there.
SPEAKER_05:No, we're saying, hey, I'm gonna keep moving up, okay?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so so the only drawback then for me, which I think it's very it's still very good, but it talked about cherry, vanilla, and fig. I don't know if I taste a lot of cherry or vanilla. I get the old, I get the old fitchgerald smoothness, but the other flavors a little bit. I don't know. Do you guys pick them out or not?
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna compare this to like an old fashioned. I think in an old fashioned sometimes, if you get the the cherries in it, if you eat the cherries once they've soaked in the bourbon for a little bit, to me it's a similar flavor. Oh not saying that I would have pointed that out until you said something about it, but that's kind of what it reminds me of as I took another drink of it.
SPEAKER_03:So yes, okay. So who wants to go first?
SPEAKER_02:Uh you go first, Jim.
SPEAKER_03:I like it, I like it a lot. Um, it's a very good beer. I think it might it'd be the best one. So far, four six. Wow. And I got it for beer of the year. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Toby. You know, again, Jim's looking at my sheet, I think. Um You know, I d uh I I do think that, you know, because I'm at a small percentage of the the number of of podcasts that you gentlemen do, uh when I drink a beer and I do rate it the same as as as one of you two, I I feel good. I'm like, hey, maybe I I I kind of have an idea of what I'm talking about because it doesn't happen often. Um but I'm right with you, Jim. I I think it's that that same 4'6, it it it's good. It it's really good beer.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna go with 4'5. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I gotta be different. Very good, very good. I mean, 17% doesn't I would have guessed I'd have guessed 10, right? I mean, you know what I mean. I mean, it's so smooth, and overall the flavors, I it's good. So yeah, uh four or five. Uh biz, you're up.
SPEAKER_05:All right, uh again, new to this podcast, and I just like drink it because I like different beers, right? So when I have to give a number to it, I'm gonna give it a 4-1, probably my favorite of the day. I don't know. It it was delicious, easy to drink. I I like it like somebody else said, you can't you don't have to pick out the flavors, but you can just enjoy it and drink it, and it's very easy, it's drinkable.
SPEAKER_02:There you go.
SPEAKER_05:Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_02:And that's half, that's half the battle. Yes. You know, don't you don't have to try and look for every single flavor.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, if it's a good beer, just drink it. Well, and I think when you said that, you know, hey, it's a 17%, I was like, I forgot about that. Right.
SPEAKER_02:I mean that's it's a high alcohol.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but this is this is one of those scary ones because you could drink a lot of this, and then at some point you're gonna try and stand up and go, Yep, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_02:Some reason the earth is shaking or something or moving. And all right, all right. So do you have one more question for um a couple of us to get wrong?
SPEAKER_03:Maybe, but I thought we should do something else first. Okay. I think um what we should do is maybe give a wrap-up of the bourbon county because this last beer is not part of bourbon county. So is that all right? So we'll start with you. So usually what we do is just like maybe give your top one or two and what you thought was the best of those one or two, okay, and then we'll pass it around to everybody. Just you or you could say they're all good or one or two, whatever's easiest for you.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, so I definitely like the wine one that we just had and the coffee one. Again, I'm a huge coffee person. So if I was to pick my two top, I would say that last one that we just had, which was the Fitzgerald. The Fitzgerald. That was that was a really good, just like all-around beer. If I was going to just go somewhere and say, Hey, I want a beer, I would pick this coffee because that's what my preference is. Yeah, but the the uh Fitzgerald was delicious also.
SPEAKER_01:Awesome, Toby. So, you know, you always learn from people, and and uh I I think what Biz just said in relation to if I was gonna go somewhere and have a beer, you know, that's a great way to describe it because I think again, that's what our listeners want to hear from your story earlier, Mike. With that being said, you know, I uh I definitely like the Fritzgerald. I I think that was really good for the the barley wine, which I've always been opposed to. To me, phenomenal, drinkable, 17%. You can't go wrong with that. Um, my other one was that 30th anniversary reserve stout, which was really good. Um, I enjoyed that. I've got to go back to the the biscotti though, because you know I I don't like that licorice flavor, so it dropped way down on my list. But that's not to say it wasn't a good beer, and that uh I don't want to take anything away from Bourbon County because said it before, they've got it figured out, they've got great beers, and you're gonna find the flavors you like. So you're never gonna go wrong if you if you really want to get into it and try some of the the Bourbon County barrel edge beers because they are good.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. Jason, what did you think? You don't think you're all right? Yeah, so um very good class because we don't do an entire brewery class very often, right? And all those opportunities to have all barrel aged beers from the same brewery, even less. So again, bourbon county did not let us down, they did a phenomenal job across the board, so that all of them were great, you know. So my opinions are always just like nitpicking to split the hair, which is very hard to do. But for me, my in my opinion, I like the old Fitzgerald, that was my tip best. The 30th anniversary was the second, but they were all for me, they were all 4.0 or book. So in my book, they're all exceptional. Would I recommend them for the very beginning craft beer drinker? No, but if you like bourbon, I would try any one of these five.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, easily. I agree 100%. I mean, they were all good, they're all very good, you know. And and the old Fitzgerald was my top one as well. And I do like the the 30th anniversary and and then the Biscotti, because I do like black licorice. So I mean they were very, but even the the original and the coffee were very good. I mean, right, and like you said, Jim, for a new person that's never had a barrel-aged beer before, I wouldn't recommend these just because you know, if especially if your palate's never had it, it's gonna be really strong. Yes. But if you're if you're looking to try to get into some of these things, try if you're looking for a barrel age, try bourbon counties, one of those top, the top tier that we've said over and over, and you're not gonna be disappointed right at all. So, yeah, they're all good. So all right, we got one last beer.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, so this is a special one. I still do not know, remember where I bought it, but um this is a 2020-20 or 2020. 2020. How many 20s you got in there? 24 version. Um, it's the Dragon's Melt Dungeons and Dragon D20 Brew Silver Dragon Edition at 20 ABV. How much? 20 wow, yep. So what is unique, and I wish maybe there's one you guys know more, but Dungeons and Dragon is a thing, apparently. Yeah, it's been a thing for a long time. So apparently it's been a thing for 50 years. Yeah, it's been around for a long time.
SPEAKER_02:So I didn't realize we were that old.
SPEAKER_01:I know.
SPEAKER_03:So I I think I gave you guys a lot of write up You're out of here. I gave you guys a lot of write up, but the so the Yeah, we're not reading three pages. No, right up. I think Jim is. So the the main points I'm gonna bring across, right? So from the 2024, so this was a craft brewed instilled by New Holland Brewing in collaboration with Hasbro, Hasbro Toys, who Was creator of Dungeons Dragons. Yes. To collaborate their 50th anniversary of the world's greatest role-playing game, Dungeons Dragons. The second part that I wanted to bring out is that on November 1st, they're going to be releasing their 2020 25 version. All right.
SPEAKER_01:Today, tomorrow, next week, a few days ago. A few weeks. A few days ago. You said November 1st. Yep. A few days ago. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_03:So that we don't have the 2025 version. Right. But it's it's out there along with the bourbon that they distilled from it. So there's the bourbon and the beer. Oh. So I I wanted to just bring that out. So that was the second part of it. Interesting. Yeah. So I was not necessarily going to ask you guys the question, but I wanted to educate you.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, he's going to give us a break. Is that what he said?
SPEAKER_03:Thank you. So so I just wanted to bring that. So this was, I'm not going to even say the price of this. It was it was slightly more than$20. Slightly. But it was probably more than all those bourbon counties put together.
SPEAKER_01:Really? Yeah. So I think one of the things that caught my eye right away was when you were pouring that, it was a lot thinner than I thought it would be for a 20%er. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:I agree 100% with you there. So have we is anybody even tasted? I tasted it. Oh, I did too. I'm holding my okay opinion until you guys taste it.
SPEAKER_03:But the aroma, there's not much for aroma.
SPEAKER_02:There's a lot of aroma.
SPEAKER_03:What do you think there, Jim? The hard part, again, they didn't tell us what flavors we should expect. Right. I think Biz had mentioned this before. Maybe it's better they don't tell us what to expect. But for me, it does not taste like 20%.
SPEAKER_05:But this gave us nothing. Like the other ones gave us like a little bit. This gave us just like nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Well, nothing, but nothing that Jim read. Nothing that Jim read, but it does there in the three pages of the the of research, it does say that it is an Imperial stout aged for over one year in two separate first-use bourbon barrels.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So robust notes of milk chocolate, cherry, coffee, vanilla, and bourbon.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if I get any of that.
SPEAKER_05:So maybe the age is is the key.
SPEAKER_02:It should be to me, it's a sharper flavor than the than the goose islands. You know what I mean? Like a the goose islands were more of a smooth kind of a flavor. These ones seem like a yeah, it has a bite to it almost. And again, 20%, but I don't really feel the 20%. I mean the flavor is kind of a because remember, I always fall back on Avery.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You know, when they started going up higher, it got sweeter and sweeter and sweeter and sweeter. Where this, I mean, and it's not you can actually, if I said on my paper, you can actually see the writing. Right. Yeah. So I don't know what that means. I don't know. But it's but it's not some of us.
SPEAKER_02:It's not like yeah, I can't read that either, but it's not like motor oil.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, it's not that big.
SPEAKER_00:It it's definitely lighter.
SPEAKER_01:It's more of a brownish instead of a really so my first impression, and and this is not meant to be um demeaning or taking anything away from it, but I was kind of like, is this like Dr. Pepper? Or that's kind of the color color and the flavor of it, just you know, Dr. Pepper has all those flavors in it. I was like, this doesn't taste like a bourbon barrel age beer to me. Right.
SPEAKER_03:And I think we got it warm enough, right?
SPEAKER_02:I mean the temperatures are definitely warm enough for the for the temperature.
SPEAKER_03:What do you think? I mean, you haven't said much. Like I said, you're like still trying to figure it out?
SPEAKER_02:Well, a little bit. I mean, it's like I said, the goose islands were a way smoother flavor, you know. And this one is it's a little bit, and I don't want to say harsh, but it's kind of that harsher flavor. So let me ask you this.
SPEAKER_03:Let me ask you this.
SPEAKER_02:Now, this was a stout, or is it a barley wine? Or what is this one for sure?
SPEAKER_03:Did it say I said limited edition stout? Okay. See, to me, it's so let me ask you this. So, do you think if they would have maybe tapered it down an ABV, so was it 20%? Would that have made it better?
SPEAKER_02:I don't think the ABV is really what is bothering me. Okay. I think it's more some of the flavors are just more pronounced, maybe, or whatever.
SPEAKER_05:So you can't really tell what the flavors are, right?
SPEAKER_03:So it's not so much the ABVs, not really.
SPEAKER_02:It's not really because honestly, Jamie, I don't think I've had a couple uh I mean we've had utopia that was higher, and but we haven't had many that have been 20%. Right, this is the formula up. So this is one of the higher, I think. You know, but again, that's not what's bothering me, I guess. It's more just kind of the profile of the entire flavoring, it's just a little bit more harsh.
SPEAKER_01:So you know, so a wonder. We had five good bourbon counties. Yep. Would this one taste different if we just hadn't had those?
SPEAKER_02:It's there's a possibility. Yeah, there's definitely a possibility.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I mean, we're our palate's comparing to what we've just had, right? You know, I I mean, I think in itself, you tell me this is a 20% and it's smooth, easy to drink. I mean, it really is. There's flavor to it. Um, I'm I can't pinpoint what the flavor is, but it's not bad.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Oh no, I'm not saying it's bad at all. Like it's just a little bit sharper flavor. Maybe a sharper flavor is better than harsh. It's not harsh, but it's a sharper flavor.
SPEAKER_01:But they they describe it as velvety.
SPEAKER_02:I don't say that. I wouldn't say that. I don't get that either. Again, if we hadn't drank. All right, so who was gonna go first? You brought it, you rate it. I went first last time. That's fine. You can go again.
SPEAKER_01:I'll I'll I'll take it away from you, Jim. I'm I'm going, it's unique, it's 20%. So to me, that that gives it some credit, yep, credibility, exactly. Do I think it's in the four range? I don't. I mean, I I'm a 3-8 on it, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, all right. I'm I'm in the same kind of category. I'm going to 3-7 though. Uh because I used 3-8 before. So it's given hate duplicates.
SPEAKER_03:So this is your worst beer of the night.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Just because, just again, just because it has that sharper flavor. And if if you'd have said, if we had been blindfolded and just tasted this, I never would have guessed it was 20%. No. At all. But uh and you're right, Toby. I think coming after the the bourbon county, we were spoiled, so to speak. And this one is just it's a different thing, so it gets penalized. And I and I have I apologize for that, but it's just kind of I would probably rather drink the other ones first, you know.
SPEAKER_01:And if I could just to add to that, I think the the aftertaste of this one lingers on my tongue a lot longer. And that that to me kind of takes away from it because it's like what is that flavor?
SPEAKER_02:And I and I don't know if I see that's where I was wondering, okay, is this a barley wine or is this what is this? Yeah, yeah. That's why I asked if it was a spout or what it was for sure, because it's almost like it doesn't quite know what it style it wanted to be. Where is it gonna be? You know, so okay, all right.
SPEAKER_05:I'm gonna have to agree. I maybe we should have tried it, not tried it first, but if it was on its own, I would have felt differently about it, but it's not my favorite. I'm gonna give it a three-four, just different.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so I guess I have to be the outlier again, don't I? Nope. This was a five, right, Jim? No, it's so it's definitely not not that high. Not um, so the the harper for me, without Lena like trying to like interject her input to for me, so when we base beers, everything that we our cap has always been 19 or below. Oh we've always like kind of haven't ventured because we haven't had the options really to go above that. We have never like been able to that rarefied air, right? So I have to my own opinion, my own is to make a beer of 20% or above is challenging at best. And we've had several Dragon's Milk beers, yes, and they've always been very good, very good. Is this the best beer ever? No. Is it something that I'm glad that we bought to try because it was 20% by all means? I mean, I I don't think was it scary to buy a 20% beer? Yes, because you don't even know what you're getting into. But I think all of us can agree, wow, a 20% beer that did not taste like that. Yeah, so so my score is gonna be a 4.3 just because I think I'm giving it credit because it's a high ABV. They actually made it so it's not like when I watched all of your faces when you first took a drink, nobody winced. Nobody like shrugged your shoulders. So so to me, your initial impression was not that it was a bad beer, it just didn't hit all the wickets that we wanted. So for me, I thought that was watching you guys was more important than what I thought from the score. I don't know what you think, Mike.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know, and when you brought up about the other dragon's milks that we've had, they've all been 10, 11 percent, except for the triple mash, which we're gonna have on another podcast because that one's like is it 18 or 19 percent? I got one in the fridge, and I've got a number of them at the house. Yeah, so this is quite a step up, yes, you know, from the the normal dragon's milk, but a lot of those dragon's milk have a lot of very good flavors, right? You know, and like I said, in this one, it just I don't know, it's got a sharper flavor to me than what the other ones have. And and again, it I feel so bad because it's compared to Bourbon County, which is on another level. But this this brewery is just a one step below that, I think.
SPEAKER_01:So and I think you hit it, you know. I I mean I I I get what you're saying, Jim. It makes a lot of sense, right? And the more I drank of this though, the more of that burn I got on my tongue, which kind of like made me like it even less. So like I feel that my score was was there because normally dragon's milk like you can drink them and not a problem, they're good till the last drop, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03:So and I mean that's good. I mean, that's I appreciate everybody's I mean, because that is that's what we want to make sure the listeners understood.
SPEAKER_02:Would you recommend this to a new person?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, by far no. There is absolutely not a 20% beer.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if I'd recommend it to a person that has been into craft beer for a while, but hasn't went higher A B.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, unless you know that you like that in a way.
SPEAKER_01:And if I did recommend it, I'd be like, hey, if you buy that, I'll I'll share a beer.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I got you, I got your back. He's in yes.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so how do you wrap this up then, Mike? So we got five from one in one, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Goose island, bourbon county did not disappoint. Right. And and honestly, even this one was very good. It's just different, it's just different. Yeah, and it was kind of surprisingly a lot different than what I was expecting. I thought it was gonna really be kind of along those bourbon county lines, you know what I mean? As far as very smooth, high ABV, not you wouldn't take in which it was. It it didn't taste like 20%, right? But it did have a way, again, like I said, a sharper flavor to it than what the the Goose Island had.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. You're gonna want to share it if you drink it.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I wouldn't want to drink that whole bottle myself. So the only thing I would is if Toby brought this out, I don't know if it was this episode or a couple back, I think the hard part is when you see a beer like this, you gotta try it. You don't know what it's gonna taste like. I saw it one bottle on a shelf and I bought it. Yep. So no, that's again, you're throwing it, you're throwing a dart against the window.
SPEAKER_01:And and thank you. You know, I mean, again, the exposure, the the being able to talk about it is what it's all about.
SPEAKER_02:Jim, anytime you see a high ABV beer that you're willing to buy, Toby and I will be glad to help you drink it.
SPEAKER_05:Hey, me too. Oh, awesome!
SPEAKER_02:Yes, we can help be glad to come and drink it with you.
SPEAKER_03:So that was you know, the reason I was intrigued by what it was because New Holland always has some good years. Yes, they have very good beers, and I we have very few that are above 20%. So I was like, maybe this would fit in with something this category, it didn't uh completely align, but I'm glad we tried it. Yep, I agree 100%. And I'm glad you guys were able to enjoy it with us. For having us, yeah, thank you for sure. So I I I don't have anything to add to what you said, Mike. I mean, this is a good this is a good podcast. I'm glad we had this, we had Toby, extra people here. Yeah, always it's always good to have.
SPEAKER_02:There was an incident with Angus, we couldn't have him back. Well, you did, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's what happens when you drink all our leftover beer.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he got crazy.
SPEAKER_01:He did.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was weird. I don't know. Anyway, thanks, Jim, for for providing those. Yes, and uh, yeah, I'm ladies and gentlemen, I hope that uh if you see a beer out there you've never tried, don't be afraid to buy it. Try it. There's some extremely good flavors out there.
SPEAKER_03:And send us a note, let us know.
SPEAKER_02:Send us a note what you think. Yeah, if if you've had these, if you want to have them, you know, but if you're looking for whatever, just let us know, right? You know, we'd love to hear from the fans.
SPEAKER_01:And not only that, but we're here to support you. So if you need somebody to drink with, we're there.
SPEAKER_02:We would be will more than willing to drink beer.
SPEAKER_05:And if you don't want to try it, we will.
SPEAKER_02:There you go. There you go. Yeah, awesome. Well, hey, everybody, thank you so much for uh being a part of this, Toby, Biz, Jim. Even though Jim again cheated on the questions. And Biz won the content.
SPEAKER_00:Biz won't weird. Isn't it weird, Toby, how that works? Congratulations, newcomer. I know how you feel about it.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's weird how that happens all the time. Anyway, thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen, for for listening. And Jim, like we always say, we hope your campfire's always warm and your beers are always cold. See ya. See ya. Thank you for listening to the Northwoods Beer Guy podcast. If you have a question, a comment, or a beer you'd like us to review, please feel free to send us a message at Northwoodsbeerguy at gmail.com. You can also find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. If you're on Untapped, look up Northwoods Beer Guy and send a friend request. Until next week, I hope all your campfires are warm and all your beer is cold.
