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Nurturing Self-Confidence: The Power of Nature, Connection, and Compassion

• Dr. Roldan • Season 3 • Episode 12

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Have you ever felt your confidence waver amid life's unexpected twists and turns? Join us for an intimate conversation with Jess, a self-confidence coach hailing from Nova Scotia, Canada, as she shares her personal journey of navigating the complexities of self-confidence. From her confident yet introverted childhood, through body image issues and friendships, to a significant drop in confidence during the pandemic while living in Barbados, Jess's story is a testament to the dynamic nature of self-confidence. Together, we unravel how societal expectations and personal experiences shape confidence at various life stages and emphasize the importance of nurturing it continually.

Discover how even idyllic settings like Barbados can mask feelings of loneliness and inadequacy, often amplified by social media's glossy portrayals. Jess discusses the coping mechanisms that helped her, such as the companionship of pets and the healing power of nature. We also delve into the true essence of self-care, moving beyond consumerism to include mindfulness and rest. Learn about the necessity of recognizing our inherent worth and giving ourselves the permission to be, without guilt or comparison. This episode is a heartfelt exploration of the power of nature, genuine connections, and self-compassion in fostering lasting self-confidence
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Speaker 1:

podcast. Welcome everybody to Oroasis podcast. As always, please get a comfy seat. Come with us, get a beverage to warm your heart. Today I have an amazing guest. Hello, beautiful souls, and welcome to Oroasis community podcast. I am Dr Roldan, your host. I am a doctor in clinical psychology, a BIPOC therapist professor and a mindful somatic coach. While I am a therapist, remember I'm not your therapist.

Speaker 1:

This podcast is not a substitute for professional mental health care, but we have resources in our website and Instagram to support you in that search. Join us for a cozy, felt conversation about mental health, personal growth and mindfulness. We explore tools to care for your mind, your body and your soul. Check the footnotes for disclaimer, trigger warnings and additional resources for each one of the episodes. So grab your favorite cup of tea, coffee or hot chocolate, wrap yourself in a warm blanket and find a coffee spot here with us to be kind, to be brave, loud and strong in your search of mental health wellness. Welcome to your Oasis of mental health wellness. Welcome to your Oasis. And she also is toasting with you, so let's toast all together. One, two, three Beautiful Cheers. My chocolate tea, what is yours? Oh?

Speaker 2:

this is like a. It had a little bit of caffeine. I think it's a blue raspberry flavor, so I went with a cold drink, because it's sunny out, so we feel like it could be summer Right. It's not, though, but absolutely delicious, a little like blue raspberry caffeine drink, cause I'm going to go to the gym right after this too, so get us all jittery up.

Speaker 1:

So for people that don't know where are you located and where are you, joining us from?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I'm in nova scotia, canada we are in canada, we're in all america's people we are like literally like opposite corners because, like you and san diego and me all the way up here in nova scotia, we're like I'm so east coast and you're so west coast, and like opposite corners.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

And today I want to my audience is for a trip to a beautiful soul. I met Jess a couple of years ago and then we got to squeeze together again recently and just love each other so much in the sense of like. I'm a firm believer that energy brings energy and positive positivity for real brings people together. And you know, she was in the cross the room and I saw, as soon as I saw her I was like I need to be with her and hug her. And um, funny story, we like, match with like. I work today this one because we were matching and we're obsessed with gummy bears decoration In my case it's decorations, but I was like, we were like we want gummy bears just for, like, happiness.

Speaker 1:

But today I want you to bring awareness of you're a self-confidence coach and people always say, well, what is self-confidence? And people always say, well, well, it's self-confidence, what, what that has to do with me? Uh, it doesn't matter if you are a teen, a young adult, uh, older women or like us, that we have in different stages of life, um, or confidence drops for society, expectations for life changes, for sometimes the expectation that we have to be still 21, looking when we are 30, 40, 50, et cetera. So tell us about how do you discover one, your self-confidence and two, how do you become a coach.

Speaker 2:

Oh, good question. It's really interesting because all growing up I was a pretty confident kid, like I was a quieter kid, introvert, you know still am and even just growing up like I could kind of just do my own thing, I would confidently, you know, color my coloring books or, you know, go to the park or ride my bike, like nothing really stopped me. And even going through high school, like I always had groups of friends, really good friends, great connections and relatively confident in who I was, I was a kid who struggled with my body image growing up because I was just not the typical kid size. I had some weight on me growing up and I definitely struggled with that piece but it didn't affect me or hold me back and it really wasn't until I got older because even going to university things were pretty good. They didn't go exactly according to plan. I was never like the book smart kind of girl, except I got through. Like I got through I did a public relations degree and as I did that, like I'm a great public speaker, so like why not do this degree? That was so freaking easy and easy for me, I should say and I kind of had that big boost of confidence through all of these seasons but, as relationships failed and some maybe friendships that were really close didn't quite work out or, honestly, the person who I thought I was going to be with for the rest of my life broke up with me, but again I was young, was going to be with for the rest of my life, broke up with me, but again I was young. So, looking back, not a big deal, but in the moment those things hit your confidence. But it really wasn't until I was older.

Speaker 2:

I got married pretty young. I met a wonderful partner and we moved to Barbados for him to work on a project in the Caribbean which is super, super cool, right, but it happened to align with the pandemic and as that happened I was in crazy isolation. The rules down there were really strict. Life down there was totally different. I had nothing that I had in Canada, there, and I've always been a very independent and, honestly, pretty confident person. And as I lived down there and spent more time down there and spent more time in isolation, I lost pieces of myself, and I think we all did in that season. So as I came home and decided to start a podcast and publicly share that, I was really struggling through this journey, I started to learn so many people were on the same journey, especially post pandemic.

Speaker 2:

We were all just like, who are we? We just like hermited for a year and you want us to be back to our normal confident, bubbly selves? Like that's just not it. And so, as I started to put more and more out there, I started to learn about myself. I started to get to know my new self because truly like felt like a brand new person, coming out of that cocoon of the pandemic but also living abroad and living a totally different life. And as I did, it just kind of brought people along on this journey and that's how my business fell into my lap.

Speaker 2:

I didn't realize how bad people needed this until I started to put myself out there and I always really struggled with the piece of like well, who the heck am I to be the person that teaches women confidence? I don't have any myself. And then it just became very clear like Jess, you're supposed to be the person who teaches them. You don't have to have it figured out and courses and all of these things that have all been created around community being number one, because, as you know, having the right people around you is like a key to your confidence. And two to just like lean into who we are and to step into our power a little bit more, and it encourages you to do that. So that's what led me on this journey, and it's been really freaking cool to see it all come together in two short years.

Speaker 1:

Wow and can you share with our audience about. I love the key that you say you are the people that you surround yourself and your confidence is going to be around that, and I'm a firm believer that people that is a little higher than you in whatever goal you want, they're not going to put you down, right, because they're not going to help you either. But they're not going to put you down Some of them do help you, right. So I want you to tell people, because your story sounds so shiny, rainbows and hearts, right, but it wasn't like that, right, like every single one that we were in the pandemic. If, like every single one that we were in the pandemic if, by the way, trigger warning for everybody that's listening right now I'm going to make a little speech about the pandemic and if you are not healed from that one, please take a break, it's okay, and just come back in like two minutes. So when I was in the pandemic, too, you know I was driving and all that the pandemic hit, we went in cooktop mode. I live in a very dense city like San Diego. I work in public health, so I was in the trenches with everybody seeing the horrible systems that we have. And then, unfortunately, I also got sick. So, and it was when it wasn't that even cool to be sick, you know, nobody knew anything about it, and I got really, really sick to the point that, you know, I was in the ventilators and all that. I was really really struggling and, like you say, it took all that year to recover from it and then I already have a chronic illness, which that created another problem. Why do I say this? Because anybody that sees me they see the hearts and rainbows right, the successful entrepreneur, doctor, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and they're like oh wow, I want to be with you, but they don't know the whole struggle that I went through, not once but many times in my life, about self-confidence, because out of that, I cannot exercise as much as I used to, I cannot do all the things that I used to do, so I have to modify everything. I gained a lot of weight and I know a lot of people that is a big thing because hormones and all this stuff, right. So I changed my diet, what I eat and why not, but it's a struggle when we are out there in the public. I one of the things that was kind of like stopping me to go to public.

Speaker 1:

I was that. That, immediately as soon as I put the first picture, people like, oh, you're too heavy, or you're too Hispanic, that was my favorite. You, you look too Russian. And I was like you know, I'm Hispanic, right, that's me. Oh, my favorite is like how you're gonna give advice about kids when you don't have your own, without even knowing the story. What I choose not to you know, so, uh, all those things affect your, uh, your, your self-confidence. In your case, what was the kind of pushing buttons that lower your confidence during your, even the pandemic or even in their life? Right, because you say you end a relationship? That is also something that takes a hit in young women about their confidence, because we always think it's something wrong with us, when in reality it's just that was not the right person for us. They have many others, so can you talk a little bit about that?

Speaker 2:

yeah, well, honestly, for that relationship like best thing that ever happened to me, that they broke up with me. Like I'm very grateful now, but in the moment you're just like I'm not good enough. I I come from high achieving parents who are entrepreneurs who are really successful in what they do, and I've always put myself to that level too right, like I have to be high achieving and for most of us, we see people at their end game right, and not even at the end, but, like my parents are very successful in what they do. They've been doing this for like 38 years. You know, like we compare to where they are and like I'd love to see where I am going to be 38 years from now. That'd be freaking cool. But I'm comparing where I am now to where they are.

Speaker 2:

Or same thing with people we see on the internet. We're comparing this beginning stage to people who've been podcasting for years or coaching for years, and I think that's the trap that gets us the most, because we're on social media a lot, a lot. And social media is great because it connects us and it allows us to feel so connected even when we are literally countries and miles apart. But it definitely takes a hit to your confidence when you're comparing yourself to every other person in the world. That just makes you feel like you're not enough and they don't intend to do that. That's not anyone's intent. Maybe it's someone's, but it's not my intention on the internet to do that, but it still feels like that. And so I think social media takes a big hit for me, especially in the pandemic too, when we were on it more and I was working really hard to build a brand online.

Speaker 2:

So I had a health and fitness business at that point and I didn't tell anyone what I was actually going through. In Barbados they just saw, like the beautiful beaches when I was going for my beach walk, or they would see, you know, the beautiful flowers and the birds, or me getting ready to do my workout. They didn't see, like me crying on the kitchen floor most nights, waiting for my husband to come home, who worked 14, 15 hours a day, seven days a week, like they didn't see the loneliness, they didn't see the brokenness. I did not tell anyone to the point that my parents thought we were going to move there permanently, like nobody knew what was really happening until I came home and could share it Because, again, I didn't want anyone to worry, chronic people pleaser, didn't want to bother anybody with what's going on. But those made it worse To be 100% alone, to the point where I couldn't even really tell my husband, my person, who I tell everything to, because he was also really struggling and he was trying to finish this project so we could get home too. He wasn't being intentional and hurting me, but I was just so lonely and so lost that those were the pieces right. Plus, you'd see, on social media at that time, the grass is always greener on someone else's side.

Speaker 2:

So I saw people who were like, oh, if only the Caribbean ocean was right outside my window right now. And I was just like, shut the up, like it is outside my window and I am the most broken I've ever been. Like how lucky for you to be on Canadian soil. How lucky for you to be just down the road from your family. How lucky for you to, you know, have X, y and Z, whereas on their end they're looking at my life and saying how lucky for you, you're in Barbados. How lucky for you, you have the sunshine on your skin every day. How lucky for you, you're in Barbados. How lucky for you. You have the sunshine on your skin every day. How lucky for you you don't have to shovel snow. Like it's so interesting how, when we're in it, we always want to be on the other side, and when we're on the other side, we always want to be in it. Like it's just those pieces that come with our confidence and that was like the big one for me. I was always comparing to everyone else.

Speaker 1:

Okay. So that is the key factor, as the audience is listening. When we compare, we deduct, because every time that you compare, you don't know the story behind the brand, behind the person behind the story, right? Another thing what got you through it? So right now it's epidemic here in United States about loneliness. People have felt the most lonely than ever. There's studies that shows that an average out of 10 people, 9 feel lonely, utterly lonely. You know that loneliness that hurts, that you can be in a group of 100 people but you feel like you're the alien, right. So what? The mental tools or what helped you through it? A coach, a friend, a book? What got you?

Speaker 2:

through it. Okay, there's a couple of things. Even as you say it, I'm like oh man, this is silly. One of the beautiful blessings that we did have was that when we moved to Barbados, um, one of the beautiful blessings that we did have was that when we moved to Barbados, we brought our two cats with us, which was not easy to do. Importing cats to another country is just not easy. Everyone thought we were crazy and but we did it because we were going to be gone for so long. Having them there was really really helpful Having pets, for my loneliness was huge.

Speaker 2:

And then when we were down there, um, fostering dogs and we ended up keeping one, and that has also been like really helpful for me, because that got me outside when, like, I didn't want to go outside at all, like you're living in Barbados and you don't even want to go outside, like that is an issue, and so getting a dog helped too. So having pets around me super, super helpful. The other piece for me is, like I am very connected to nature, so getting grounded, taking my socks off and like getting my feet in the dirt, getting my feet in the sand, the water, whatever it is, and even in Canada yesterday. Going out in the woods and like putting my hands on trees sounds super weird, I know that, but like being connected with nature makes me feel less lonely because I truly do believe that there is energy and spirit and nature, and it means I'm not alone. Like literally sitting beside a tree, although that sounds so crazy, you're not alone and so it's just like being in that energy. Even when you feel just so low that nobody could understand, even when you feel just so low that nobody could understand knowing that spirit is there, you could be connected to it by just going outside and taking your socks off right like it can be really, really simple.

Speaker 2:

But I also don't want to downplay the fact that like it's huge, like this loneliness piece is huge and it's really sad.

Speaker 2:

I like my heart hurts as I think about it, because I lived it in Barbados too. So just like put yourself out there to meet like one person. Like we are isolated I isolated myself down there but if you can make one step to find a networking event online, to find a friend, if there's one person on the internet that you admire, like send them a DM, especially if they're local, and like meet for coffee or something like it's so scary but it's so worth it. Like I only had one friend in barbados. She was my 60 year old neighbor and her four dogs. Like I love her, but that's like not enough, right. So like just making sure that you find those people that feel really, really good, that light you up and that like build you to be the better version of yourself, because if you're going to isolate yourself, and that like build you to be the better version of yourself, because if you're going to isolate yourself, like that's on you, like if you're going to be a hundred percent alone, there are things for you.

Speaker 1:

And just for people that is struggling with a little more severe loneliness that is more like depression or severe anxiety or social anxiety or severe anxiety or social anxiety. We will be posting links in the bio of this episode for support groups, because there's support groups online, in person Also, ones that if you don't really want to mingle with people, you can just go rewatch it and believe it or not, just being in a company of somebody helps. Also. I love the tip of like nature. As you can see, she has a pet plant. I have my pet plant too, in a little crystal or rock because it's important. Same right Twinsies.

Speaker 1:

Twinsies, it's both amethysts too. Yes, for beauty and love. So ground yourself. And yes, I know, for people that is very scientific, like me, is very woohoo, but for you people like me, this is the explanation trees communicate between their roots. So when you sit under one tree, believe it or not, when you are really in the trenches sad and crying to a tree, all the other trees come and give you their energy to that specific tree. Baby boohoo, totally understand, but try it once. I'm a tree hugger. Literally I go and hug trees and say I love you today, or X, y and Z Pets are the best. Why? Because they give you unconditional love. Granted cats are like teenager love, but still helps. So those tips are great. What else do you have struggled through your life that you say this is something that a woman out there needs to hear? That I went through and either I survive it or I make it through.

Speaker 2:

I think the biggest one is just that feeling of like not being enough. I think for a lot of women, there is pressure on us as we are stepping into this season of being seen more of like stepping into this like massive power shift for women, which is like so beautiful and so cool to see, and it also feels like just like one more thing we have to carry, like one more thing we have to do, like our voices are being heard and we're starting to step into something really cool, but like we already have so much on our plates so we just always feel like we're never enough, it's never going to be enough, but like I promise you, if you're listening to this, it is going to, it is going to be enough. It is Something really big is coming, I think, for women and, as that happens, you are enough, exactly as you are, even if you did not go outside today, even if you can't fold your laundry, even if anything, exactly you are enough and you're doing enough. And I think that that's the thing that I've always struggled with, especially as an entrepreneur, and an entrepreneur that just doesn't have the same energy as what a typical person has.

Speaker 2:

I have to like even just doing this one hour podcast episode. I'm going to need to, like you know, do some energy work after to just kind of get myself back into a place that just like refill my cup up, and I am doing a lot of really cool, big things right now. That means I also need to, like take a lot of extra self-care. You know spending time reading in the sunshine and you know taking a break to watch, you know, some TV shows. You know doing what I need to do and like making sure that I'm prioritizing rest has been really, really helpful, but sometimes it validates that story that I'm not doing enough, and that's really hard, right, yeah, with the whole hassle culture, right, yeah, and I totally resonate with that for one of the reasons.

Speaker 1:

You know, in academics, right? In academics, they make you work 80 hours of studying and teaching and all that, which is not healthy. That's why, if you have a friend people that is, a lawyer, a doctor, a therapist, a nurse, any teacher they work horrible hours, they are in the burnout from both ends. And also it has been glamorized the whole self-care is like expending money on you, you know, like products, makeup, hair. That's not self-care, that is a form of it.

Speaker 1:

But when we talk, you and I, about self-care, we're talking about taking a break to just be, just to exist. Because if you're just hassle, hassle, hassle, something has to give, and the first thing that gives is your confidence, your mental health and your physical health. So, if you're going to do anything today for you is, take a moment to just savor where you are too, because we are always comparing ourselves to the up there, right, but we don't see all the things that we have done. You went from Barbados to here and like, yeah, everybody's like, oh, you live in an island. I'm like, yeah, but I live in a golden cage right now because I'm isolated from everything and you will say well, I went out and stayed in the beach and walking nature. Wasn't that enough? So if you're in those shoes, what will be your recommendation when you say look at it in retrospective Nature wasn't enough, the self-care routines that I have was not enough. What I could have done differently or what I will do in the future differently.

Speaker 2:

I want you, if you're listening to this right now and maybe you're the type of person who, like, cannot be alone or have a moment that's quiet because we put on a podcast while we're cooking or we're in the car and we really struggle to listen to ourselves I want you to, just even for like one minute, listen to yourself, because you know what you need. I think we always think, when I even feel emotional as I say this, we always think that the outside world is going to tell us, so this podcast is going to tell us, or this event is going to change my life, or this thing is going to change everything. But you already know in your body, it is clear what you need to do. You're just not listening. So what I would say is take, take one minute to listen, and then maybe tomorrow it's two minutes, and just like see when you ask yourself like, hey, what's going to make me feel better today?

Speaker 2:

And maybe it is sitting on the couch and doing absolutely nothing and being a potato. Cool, enjoy it. Like guilt-free enjoy it. Maybe it's getting out for a walk, but we don't know unless we ask ourselves and we can say, like a whole bunch of like. We could give you a list of like a hundred things you could try. Right, it still might not be the answer, because you are unique and you are special and you know so like you have to start asking yourself these questions and just like ask yourself over and over and over again until you hear it. What's the answer? What do I need today? Oh, a.

Speaker 2:

McDonald's chocolate milkshake Heck, yeah. Well then I'm going to go get it. You just have to start to listen and try new things, and that's probably what I would do differently when it came to living in Barbados is I would try a few things more and I probably would tell people what I was going through. Looking back, isolating myself, was not the answer.

Speaker 1:

I see, and what recommendations do you have for our audience? Or why you have tried yourself about mental health, coaching, therapy, body work, yoga, why you have tried in order to help your mental health in a more like, if you will, more conscious, professional way, if you will.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, a hundred percent Therapy was huge for me, especially in Barbados.

Speaker 2:

That's when I started.

Speaker 2:

I did virtual from with someone who was at home and that made a really, really big difference for me because it helped me to understand and rationalize some of the thoughts that were going on in my head and some of the fears that were coming up.

Speaker 2:

I also, I do love practicing movement, but it's a matter of like it being not for punishment, it being for love, and that was a big shift for me, especially coming from health and fitness coaching where my body was my business, and finally getting out of that was huge because I could like make them two different things. It didn't have to be like, oh, my body and my size is what's going to sell this, this and this, like no, we're not doing that. That's not the confidence aspect that I wanted to live, and so learning to move my body just because it felt good was like really cool. So I'm a big fan of yoga, big fan of Pilates, but I also love like lifting some really like heavy weights, because then you feel so badass, and so just like going and moving my body. Whatever that meant, whatever that looks like it could look different every single day, but just like moving it to get some of that, like energy, that somatic energy that's inside out.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, right. And it is so true that movement helps you to move energy and feelings out. And I am so grateful that you're sharing your story of like going through therapy too, because therapy is not when you're broken. Therapy is just to guide you out of a place where, you know, as you say, we sit up with ourselves and like I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I know I need help and the help is out there if we reach it out.

Speaker 1:

And talking about I love that sentence that you said my body is not my business, but I made it my business. How many out there of you, girls and women, how make your body your torture, not even your business body, your torture, not even your business, your torture, when our bodies are sanctuary? As boohoo as that sounds, it is true. We only get one, yeah, we only get one, and take it from somebody.

Speaker 1:

I used to be a professional dancer too, so my body was my show kind of thing, right, and then, due to chronic illnesses, not not anymore. Right, I couldn't do what I used to do, and now I love watching dancing. But for the life of me I can't right. But it's the fact that if I would have lived in that state of I cannot do that anymore, I don't look like that anymore. I would have been in the very dark side of the star, as they call, would be in the very dark side of the star, as they call. So if you haven't listened to Jess' podcast, I invite you to, because it's just sunshine with rainbows all over, in the sense of like, if you're having a bad day just listening to her, you can, you cannot have a bad day. It's just impossible when you hear her. Also, you're doing workshops for confidence too, correct?

Speaker 2:

Yes, there's always something to help to boost your confidence in our community.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and any last thoughts for our community that you would like to share?

Speaker 2:

I would just say to the woman who's listening to this right now you are beautiful and you are special and you are unique and you being different is the gift that we were given in this world. So don't forget that, Don't dim it. It is, it is beautiful exactly how you are Like. You are just a special gift and you being different is not a bad thing. You being different is a gift.

Speaker 1:

Beautiful. Thank you so much, Jess, and for all my audience. All the notes for support groups here and in Canada will be posted under the link and also under the podcast notes, where we can find you.

Speaker 2:

Jess. Yeah, so you can head on over to Instagram and check me out. At jessclerk. You can also check out my podcast Selfish Confidence and that's self, and then the issues and brackets confidence wherever you listen to your podcasts.

Speaker 1:

Beautiful.

Speaker 2:

Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1:

Of course, I love you so much and, like I said, I just love bringing people to this podcast that has perspectives of mental health. That is not, you know, when we talk about mental health. Unfortunately, due to my career choices, I do have to talk to the dark side of the mental health. But there is also different stages of mental health, like in fitness right, we start in one point and we move forward and you are like if you are ready, did your therapy? You have a little bit of coaching.

Speaker 1:

Now is the time to join Jess, to just boost that energy and glide over everything and, like I say, have a Pegasus with rainbows and unicorns coming out of you. Just every one of you is amazing, beautiful and all we want is to have mental health and feel confident and feel at peace with ourselves, no matter the size, no matter the age, no matter the women. Thank you, everybody and I'll see you next time. As we conclude today's episode, take a moment to reflect, be proud of the journey, for every step that brings you closer to who you truly are, embrace the kindness towards yourself, as you did to each one of our guests, honor the bravery in your actions and celebrate the importance of mental wellness with us and remember it's an exercise that we practice daily. Continue to grow and flourish, knowing that we are in this training for our mental wellness together. We are so proud to have you as part of our community, so join us on Instagram at Oasis Community Podcast for more inspiring conversations, valuable resources and supportive content, including journals, worksheets and content in Spanish.

Speaker 1:

Exciting things are in the horizon. Our Oasis community break rooms are coming soon to grab tools and take a break for your mental health. Also, we are featuring our six-month training ethical mental health coaching program, designed for new and experienced coaches, as well as holistic and healing professionals. Enroll to create a safe and transformative experience to your clients. Links in the bio. Until next time, take care, stay connected and welcome to our Oasis community.