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The Unseen World of Emotional Intelligence
Can you name your feelings? Join Kelly and Damon as they uncover the power of feeling words and self-discovery. Learn how naming our feelings can give us control, and explore the intensity levels of various emotions.
But what about the things we don't know about ourselves? Let's explore the concept of blind spots - traits that others see in us, but remain hidden to ourselves. Discover how blind spot indicators and relationships built on love and grace can help us identify and confront these elusive aspects. We also discuss the courage it takes to face our blind spots, the difference between hurt and harm in our relationships, and finding the balance between calling someone out and letting the little annoyances go. Don't miss this enlightening conversation on self-discovery and personal growth!
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Do you say Walmart or Walmart's?
Speaker 2:Walmart, although that's painful to say that word out my mouth.
Speaker 1:Again another show.
Speaker 2:Yes, another.
Speaker 1:That's actually in the one box something that I know about Kelly, about Walmart and something that she knows about herself.
Speaker 2:Yes About Walmart, the grudge against Walmart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, well, there's counseling for that. Welcome to Enneagram You, damon and Kelly, where we explore the mysteries of human personality and help you learn more about you, with your skeptic or an enthusiast. Together, we'll take you on a journey of self discovery using the ancient wisdom of the Enneagram. This is Enneagram You. Hello everyone, and welcome to Enneagram You. I'm Damon and this is my friend Kelly. Hi Kelly, hey, damon. So every week we start with a question and that question is how you feeling. But before you answer that question, i found something. I found this piece of paper on my floor and at the very top it says feeling, words, vocabulary. Have you ever seen this before?
Speaker 2:That is very familiar.
Speaker 1:Huh, it was just. It was just laying there, i don't know. I picked it up and I thought you might be interested in looking at that.
Speaker 2:I think that is your sign, Damon This is going to set you free.
Speaker 1:So you can't see this if you're listening, but it is a. It is a chart of feeling words and it's listed by intensity. So you have mild intensity feeling words, moderate intensity feeling words and strong intensity feeling words, and at the very top it says I feel blank, because blank and the truth is blank And that really sums up how I feel.
Speaker 2:How do you feel, damon?
Speaker 1:I feel blank, i feel blank because blank, and the truth is blank. Yeah, i'm out Pass Next. Next question. So what do you use this for? I know this is something that you've developed, yeah, okay, well, tell us about that. It sounds helpful.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, when I started counseling years ago, i would find, as we were processing with individuals and just talking about feelings, there was just a lack of a vocabulary that people had, even my own life Like, maybe the general categories I feel happy or sad, or mad And so just developed by gathering words, and this isn't all inclusive by any means, but just an idea of first of all naming what you feel. So that's where that I feel blank. Okay, just plug in a feeling word which we'll do here in a minute, we will, yes.
Speaker 2:And then we go a little bit deeper and say, okay, i'm feeling that way because and that's more of those underlying thoughts that are connected to what we're feeling- And that because blank.
Speaker 1:that's not on the list, That's just your reason.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, that's just your thoughts, or what might be going on.
Speaker 1:So you don't say I'm, i feel excited because I'm exuberant, right, you know that doesn't make sense. So after you fill in that first blank with one of these words, then you finish the process. Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you don't stay stuck in just the feelings, but then you do the third step, which is what is the truth? You know what are the facts. What would I tell someone else if they were in this situation? Okay, just to help process those feelings.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're saying potentially what I'm feeling isn't true.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:Feelings aren't facts. Wait, there's a pause there. I was just trying to get that in Dramatic pause.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, awesome, yeah. Okay, feelings aren't facts, they're just feelings.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and feelings aren't right or wrong, they just are, and so this process of being able to name our feelings really does help us to deal with our feelings instead of our feelings dealing with us, cause I think that's one of the two options that we have Either we deal with them or they deal with us.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, okay, so I'm going to give people an idea of what, what's actually on this. So in the mild just to give a comparison in the mild intensity column columns they say happy, sad, angry, scared and confused. Those are the headings And then below each one are some words. And so in the mild intensity happy column you would see things like calm, I feel good, i feel glad, i feel peaceful. If you move up to the moderate intensity, then you under happy. You see things like I feel cheerful, i feel proud, i feel joyful. So increases, yeah, of course. And then we get to the strong and it's happy. Under happy is I feel excited, exuberant, elated, and that's true across across the board. We'll talk about that word later. Yes, maybe Across the board. So you get to angry and intensity strong intensity would be furious looks like. But if you're just mildly angry, you're just uptight or dismayed or tolerant, or this is a good word I'm resigned.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, that's cool, i am resigned, all right. Yes, i'm just resigned, yes.
Speaker 2:I'm out of the intensity levels. This is why I like the feeling words. I keep this in my journal, even though I have seen this, developed this for years Because each morning when I pull out my feeling words to journal, i journal three feelings a day. I look at those feeling words because there's a lot of times I don't really know exactly what I'm feeling, but as I look through those words, look through the different categories, i'm able to pick the exact word that I might be feeling.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then the second step, after you say I feel a certain way is because Yeah. You identify why you're feeling a certain way Exactly. Otherwise, you just walk around the day feeling resigned, yes, and you don't know why Exactly.
Speaker 2:Okay, and you have to go to that next step, that third step too, to say, but what is the truth about that? Because the idea isn't just to eliminate the feeling with the truth, but also to live in truth. So I might be resigned because something didn't go my way. If we just stay in those first two steps, it's like, yeah, you just kind of simmer in it, you just don't feel good about it. But if you then move to, okay, but what is the truth about the situation?
Speaker 1:Like something might go my way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah, or maybe it didn't go my way this time, but But next time Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's awesome. Exactly Okay, Kelly, how are you feeling today? You can use the chart if you want.
Speaker 2:I am feeling terrific Wow.
Speaker 1:Hold on. I had to hold on my chair. Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:Did you feel the intensity of my positivity coming?
Speaker 1:across the table. You said terrific Is that that's not even on here.
Speaker 2:Well, i think that is the strong intensity happy, wow, is it on there?
Speaker 1:It is Okay, you haven't memorized. Okay, i think that's another session we need to do. That's another a whole another show.
Speaker 2:Where I get to quiz you, damon, on the feeling words. is that Yeah?
Speaker 1:Have them memorized. Yes, i'll be lucky if I get through this, okay.
Speaker 2:No, i do feel terrific Good. Just it is a sunny day. I love just the warmth of the sun outside versus the cold winter weather. You know that we tend to have in waves at times where it should be warm, but it's cool, so I love the sunny day that we're having today.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then the last step is the truth is you're right, it is really nice out, and it is. The sun is shining today, and so yeah that's great Yeah. All right, i'll try. How are you?
Speaker 2:feeling.
Speaker 1:Oh, let me breathe. Here we go. Yes, you know I feel cheerful because some of the same reasons, but also I'm really enjoying sitting here talking to you and as we're developing this show, it's just really been fun. Yeah, so I feel cheerful because of that, and the truth is that's not really true. This show sucks.
Speaker 2:No. And now what are you feeling? Yeah, i don't know. I'm feeling very resigned.
Speaker 1:No, the truth is, this has been a lot of fun and I feel cheerful and the weather's good, and then it's amazing how that affects us People talk about the weather and like that small talk. But maybe it's not so small sometimes. You know, it can really affect our moods.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And the moods. This is great. So if you're interested in the Feeling Words vocabulary, i will be reciting all of the words right now. No, i'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:Today's podcast is Yeah, it's brought to you by Feeling Words Vocabulary.
Speaker 1:Today's word is hopeless Yes, dun, dun, dun, yeah. Maybe there's a link I can throw somewhere in the podcast and people could see this.
Speaker 2:Yes, maybe. Well, and I can too, you can go.
Speaker 1:Maybe we could put it on vufaithcom.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right. Yeah, it's just a great tool to help us as we grow in the one area of intelligence that we can grow, which is emotional intelligence.
Speaker 1:Wow, All right. And so there's a lot of tools like the Enneagram, because people are like would you get on with the Enneagram stuff?
Speaker 2:But we're not going to.
Speaker 1:We're not going to the good stuff, guys, but we're not gonna talk about that yet, because you said last week that we were gonna talk about something very deep called the Johari Window, did I say that right So deep, yes, okay. Johari Window And I'm really, really honestly what that is, so I'm gonna pull a piece of paper out and hear it. Yeah, i'm looking at it. The Johari Window looks like a window. That's good, and there are four quadrants in this window.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, it reminds me when I was a little girl and would draw a house, and I would draw a window that just had another little cross in it, with the four little window panes. That's the extent of my art. That's good.
Speaker 1:Just tick ability.
Speaker 2:So you know it's reminiscent of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's very good.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, but Johari Window, you may have heard about it in psychology, if you've ever taken a psychology class.
Speaker 1:I'm out?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but for those of us who did engage with the social sciences, we may have had this in psychology, maybe not, but it is this idea that it's just a window that we look at to grow in our relationship of knowing ourselves and knowing others, and so these four quadrants in this window represent just places that we are aware of more about our personality, or places that we're unaware. So, like the first box is the open, i've also heard it called the known box, and so that's what you know about me and what I know about me.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, okay, whether or not we agree, or we do agree, do we agree?
Speaker 2:Well, not necessarily agree. It's more like just facts. Like you are, Damon.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes.
Speaker 2:You're setting across for me.
Speaker 1:These are the things.
Speaker 2:I know about you Okay.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, that's an easy one. Yeah, very easy. Got through number one. There's only three to go, yeah.
Speaker 2:The second box is the blind. Okay, now this one freaks me out. Hey guys, before we continue with our discussion, we'd like to thank you for joining us and invite you to tune into episode three, where we're going to be looking at the roles that we played in our family of origin and how they connect to our enneagram numbers and our personalities, so we'll look forward to seeing you then. There's things that you know about me, damon, that I don't know. Okay, that messes with me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, me too. Yeah, i think that would mess with everyone. Yeah, so I'm walking around. When we say blind spot, there's something I'm doing that you see, that I don't see. Yeah, i keep doing it. It could be a good thing, right, or is it a bad thing?
Speaker 2:I mean it could be both. Okay For sure. It's just those things that we don't see, that other people do see. So I think about like our cars have like a blind spot indicator, like when there's a car in your blind spot, it'll flash at you. Yeah, this is part of our personalities too. There's things about our personalities that other people know but we don't know, and I don't know about you. But as I move along my journey, as I get a little bit older, i really want blind spot indicators in my life where people will, with love and grace and kindness and compassion, gently, very gently, tell me what my blind spots are.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty much the opposite of that You're like no, i want my blinders on. Just stop talking Yes. Like have you ever had?
Speaker 2:a time where, like a blind spot was revealed to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Yeah, we mentioned it earlier. Obviously that gives away the idea that and the fact that we chatted just a bit about some of these things. But really I don't really know much about the jihari window. But we were talking about words today And I say I have some slang that I use. I guess that I didn't realize one time I'm saying some sentence and I use the word across.
Speaker 1:And I'd say I need to go across the river And a friend of mine who is I don't know if he's an English major or what he is, but he's like do you know that? you say across? And I said what do you mean? It's like across is in a word, it's across. And I said are you sure?
Speaker 1:Because you said it for so long, it has to be accurate It was just kind of where I grew up, i think, and just for our dialect is that maybe the right word. It's just the way that I said it. So anyway, he corrected me on that And so I actually have worked at that not saying it incorrectly And I looked it up to on the dictionary and I think I found it like it. It's probably okay to say that and say it in that way, so it's made its way into the dictionary. You're going to get called on it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So that, and that's an easy one. That's just a word. How about you? Do you have any words?
Speaker 2:Recently, I yes was we were talking about insulin or something, and so I said yeah for people with diabetes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And my husband said Kelly, it's not diabetes, it's diabetes.
Speaker 1:Diabetes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and. I was like what All these years, no one's ever corrected you before, right, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So do you say Walmart or Walmart's Walmart?
Speaker 2:Although that's painful to say that word out my mouth.
Speaker 1:Again, another show That's actually in the one box something that I know about Kelly, about Walmart and something that she knows about herself about Walmart, the grudge against Walmart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, well, there's counseling for that, i think Well yes, lots and lots and lots of counseling and feeling, words and processing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the blind spot can be, can be simple like that, or it can be more serious as well, and that's probably why it's just so painful to even think about it. Yeah, because we're walking around with exactly Lots of blind spots.
Speaker 2:Well, and this is where the idea of our relationships are so important, like are we in relationship with safe people, you know, because sometimes we may not be aware that we're actually about to drive off a cliff, but other people are aware, and so you don't want people in your life to just be waving you along the road going.
Speaker 2:Have a great trip, you know you want people to be able to say because I love and care about you, I'm wondering about this, You know, I'm wondering about these decisions And again, ultimately, we're behind the wheel of our life but, we do need people to just be willing, Take the courage. it takes courage to point out blind spots in people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, should we this? this is not a loaded question or anything. I honestly don't know What. I'm a nine on the enneagram, so I like keeping peace. Yes, okay, and what is the line for calling somebody out on something? I mean that feels that feels challenging. Yeah, to know when to say something, when not to say something. Is it when it's being harmful? Definitely You know something like that, or is it? do we let the annoying things go And maybe it's just my you know, maybe it's a blind spot?
Speaker 2:I don't know. So how do you? where's that I?
Speaker 1:don't know, maybe there's no answer.
Speaker 2:Well, i think definitely there is a difference between hurt and harm, and so a lot of times, if we are in relationship with someone and there are situations that are harmful, whether it's physically, emotionally, even spiritually Again it's about conversations, and I like to use that word wonder, because you're not putting a judgment or a condemnation on the other person, but just actually saying I'm wondering about this. So it's coming from a place of love, like if there was a situation that you were maybe experiencing and it was sending up some red flags for me. I hope I'd be able to say because we have a relationship, right, you know, damon, i'm wondering about this That feels different than Damon. You idiot, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:Wait, you mean how, how most people talk to me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, send this to your friends and family, so they'll know how to approach that.
Speaker 1:Hey, have you noticed this? You should right. That's a little harsher than. I'm wondering about this. Have you ever considered Yes?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Those are, I don't know, words I learned from you.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Yeah.
Speaker 1:That didn't come from me.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, definitely the shoulds we have to watch out for, because those are more words of condemnation.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, i think, just having that confidence and even for us, so we are in the gut triad. So the eight, nine and one is the gut triad, and usually our gut lets us know when things are not going right in the world around us or we might feel protective of someone, and so when that gut indicator is going off, we need to pause and need to think about it, process that a little bit, see where it's coming from, like what's our motivation. But a lot of times for us in the eight, nine and ones, we are really looking out for others in the world around us And so being able, i think, to have courage in that and to be able to just have that conversation with someone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it seems like a relationship does have to lead the way. You probably need to know someone pretty well before you start pointing out blind spots. Otherwise, guess where that relationship is going to go? Nowhere, wait a second. That could be a plan, right?
Speaker 2:If you didn't want the relationship, you just immediately start pointing out somebody's flaws, maybe that's what eights do that are unhealthy Just like start dropping bombs, landmines left and right.
Speaker 1:Let me get my pen. I need to write that down. That's great, okay, well, there's other boxes.
Speaker 2:We better move along here.
Speaker 1:And there's number three which says hidden.
Speaker 2:Hidden. So that's what I know about me that you don't know. Okay, about me, those things that, again, we keep, maybe close to us, maybe two, in relationships We don't feel safe yet to share. As an eight on the Enneagram, vulnerability is like the thing I resist unless I really feel close to someone, and so there's probably many things that I might hold close to myself until I know someone And I know they're trustworthy, that I can share myself with them. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i can understand that completely Known to self, not to others. What do we do with that? Are these things that are hidden? Sometimes, when we hide things, it can be. Sometimes those things are destructive and we don't want people to know, so we hide them. Maybe it's not destructive. There may be some other things you can hide, just that are inconsequential. Really, i just don't want anybody to know this because I'm dealing with it and it's none of your business. It could be that, but there could be, excuse me, some destructive things or and if those things always feel like, i always feel like hiding stuff like that is exhausting.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, i think definitely we can hide things that we don't want others to know, because maybe we're having shame around that, okay. But I think to really where this box really flourishes is when we're willing to share our stories with someone.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that's really good Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it may be sharing like the timeline of our life, like these are some of the aspects of different things that I've experienced growing up, or really this is where we see the beauty of like sobriety, support groups or different small groups where you can share your story and share aspects of that, maybe not sharing everything all at once, but just being able to release some of those aspects of your story to someone else. It really allows us to be known and accepted and that's where we need to build that safety within relationships and groups to feel safe.
Speaker 1:So it sounds like it can go all the way from hey. We just need to get to know each other. And so I'm going to release some of this hidden stuff all the way to Hey.
Speaker 2:I need some help here so I need to release some stuff.
Speaker 1:Okay, wow, that's great, let's do box number four.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, this is the unknown. So I don't know it about myself, you don't know it about me, but the logo.
Speaker 2:Okay, next box, that one. We'll just keep that locked away. But this is where something like the Enneagram is so helpful, really in all four of these boxes. So there are many nuances about our personalities that are unknown, but as we start to connect with our different numbers and we hear about those different things, we're like, oh, let me watch for that in my life. That may be true or it may not, but we just start to have some information that we can look for in this unknown so we can grow more in our awareness. Definitely, the Enneagram helps us in that open box because there are things that I know about me that then I can share with you.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And that's where the numbers I think are so helpful. Like if someone says to you or me, I'm a three on the Enneagram, we're going to know oh well, this is what that means. They are the efficient or effective person, And so I think the Enneagram helps us just with that vocabulary as well. Okay, But then also the blind spots. So those are the things again that others see about us that we don't see.
Speaker 2:The Enneagram can be a great way to come to someone with that conversation of like hey, I know that the Enneagram talks about this and that I mean this is something my husband and I have talked about a lot. The Enneagram has helped us in our marriage. Okay, For him to be able to say to me I know, as an eight, you're going to be coming at it full steam ahead And just to be able to meet me in that place of being known not that it's wrong or not, that he's condemning me, but just it's a neutral tool that we can use to help me see how I might be responding or reacting, that is totally out of my purview.
Speaker 1:So that's a blind spot. You're going to come at this, maybe too hard, because this is your personality.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:As a nine, my personality might be hey, i don't want to deal with this at all, because if I do whatever this is, it's going to disrupt peace, and so I don't want to do that. So someone could tell me that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, someone could come to you and say, damon, i see, in this situation and I'm wondering, like, is this, you just trying to keep the peace, where maybe an action to make peace would be more appropriate? Okay, i like that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So the ineagram, i think, can help as a gentle tool to reveal those blind spots.
Speaker 1:Okay, all these boxes are the same size, but I'm assuming that's just the way they made the picture. There might be more or less things in open, more or less things in blind. The boxes could be different sizes at different times. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:They say, you know, as we are growing as a person and again growing in our emotional intelligence, that really that first box, that open box that's known to self, known to others, actually needs to be the biggest of all four of the boxes. Okay, and so this is where we are again aware of our self, the strengths of our personalities, the challenges, but also that we are willing to let others know us. Now, this doesn't mean we're an open book to anybody and everybody, but to those that are safe people in our life, that we are willing to be known by them, and so then our blind spots can be more revealed. There's not those hidden things that we're just maybe holding on to, like you said, that are exhausting. Mm-hmm, isn't it amazing when we can share some of those things that we've been holding? It's like we've just set down a boulder.
Speaker 2:Right And once you say it out loud, it's like huh, okay, that wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 1:Right, and if you trust that person, you're setting that boulder down in front of Yes, don't just drop it on their foot. I mean do it lightly And they'll probably see some things that can and say some things that can help you with that. Yeah, are, let's see. There was one other question I had about this. Oh, with a blind spot, do we actually ask people for feedback, or is it just over time we meet people and that happens naturally, or is there a process maybe we could go through?
Speaker 2:Yeah, i think that's a great question because I think there's different ways that you can approach that. I think, being able, just again out of relationship, to be willing to ask someone in your life like, hey, if there's things that you see about me that I don't see, i want to give you permission to speak into my life. Okay, you know, would you love me enough to confront me? I know confront is a bad word for a nine, so when I say confront, do you notice a gut?
Speaker 1:response with that Yeah. So I've heard it said When talking about how we might relate to somebody or someone needs their blind spot pointed out, you might say, well, they're not loving that person well, loving that person well would be helping them to see what they can't see. So I would think of it in that way instead of confront. So, I give you the peace angle.
Speaker 2:Hey, that's the better way of looking at it. You know you put it from the eight there of like you confront them.
Speaker 1:I'd say no, you love them, you care for them. But yeah, you do confront as well. I'm just awful at it.
Speaker 2:Well, and this is where I like this tool, because you can even talk to others about it of like hey, this is one thing I'm seeing about my personality and my self growth, you know, and even in our work relationships and our personal relationships, being able to just give people permission to speak into what they see that you might not see Again, it doesn't mean that everybody is a hundred percent right and you're a hundred percent wrong, but, you know, just being able to have some of those things that you might get feedback from I think is really, really helpful.
Speaker 1:I wonder if there are tests for this, like there are for the Enneagram.
Speaker 2:You can take a test.
Speaker 1:I wonder if the Johari Window J-O-H-A-R-I in case you've never heard this word before Or seen it I wonder if there's some sort of assessment There might be something for blind spots like or open like, i wonder known to self and to others. Maybe here's some words that describe me and then maybe getting some feedback Hey, here could you give me. I wonder if there's something out there. Yeah, if there's not, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, i'm sure there's some great resources that can help with just those things.
Speaker 2:And even again, using the Enneagram, you know, like one of the things I say for our friends who are in the gut triad, the eight, nine and ones, to ask yourself every day, using the feeling words what am I angry about, Or what have I had anger about today? Now the eights are probably gonna be able to tell you I was, I rate, when this happened, or this was so frustrating, or they may just the anger may be in their face. The nines are gonna go anger, I'm not angry.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:And the ones are like I'm not angry, but anger. We all embrace anger differently. So the nines, they're gonna stuff it because it's not a feeling of peace. The ones feel like anger isn't the right emotion. And so for the three of our general categories to be able to say, okay, what was I angry about today, that's gonna help all three of our eight, nine and ones to be able just to embrace okay. Let me bring this out of my blind spot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that reminds me of a scene in one of the Avengers movies, and people will have seen this, probably when they asked Bruce about the Hulk. They ask him hey, are they telling Bruce it's time for you to get angry? He goes hey, that's the secret. I'm always angry.
Speaker 2:And then boom, hulk, it's a great scene It's always under the surface yes, that's great. And you know, with that again, just being able to use the Enneagram as a tool to help bring some of these things into the light.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's awesome. I mean, the Jihari window is just another personality tool just like the Enneagram, but sounds like it goes hand in hand with it and another tool that we can get to know ourselves better. And I think we'll probably just wrap up this episode And thank you, Kelly, for all of that information on the Jihari window Well thank you Dammit Wait before we go. Jihari, that's a really fancy word. Where did that?
Speaker 2:It is so exotic isn't it.
Speaker 1:Is it Greek, is it Latin?
Speaker 2:It actually is the combination of two guys, two psychologists, who founded Jihari window. It's a combination of their first names, joseph and Harrington.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So Joe and Harry Joe Hari.
Speaker 1:Letdown, Letdown. I thought you were gonna drop some. The exoticness is that's cool? A disappointment but that's the backstory. All right. well, hey everyone, thank you for joining us today on Enneagram. You, kelly, thanks for being here as always and enlightening us, and we will see you next week. Bye, kelly, bye-bye, hello. I'm Pascoe Maria. It's been a pleasure. it's been a pleasure.