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She Said No to the Safe Route—And Built a Career on Courage
Maddi Holman, co-founder and general partner at Daring Ventures, shares her unconventional journey from pre-med student to venture capitalist—and how she’s built a career championing overlooked founders and untapped opportunities.
• Entering uncharted territory as the only person with a biology background working on telecom deals
• Embracing “I don’t know” as a sign of strength, not weakness
• Pivoting from pre-med to VC after realizing surgery wasn’t her true path
• Discovering venture capital during a master’s program in London, thanks to a Belgian VC professor
• Navigating countless rejections while trying to break into VC with a non-traditional background
• Co-founding Daring Ventures to back underdog founders who don’t fit the typical Silicon Valley mold
• Seeking out founders with resilience, deep passion, and coachability
• Drawing strength during hard times by reflecting on past challenges and staying grounded in family
• Redefining success as living authentically, embracing failure, and having no regrets
• Choosing kindness as her legacy—because people will always remember how you made them feel
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Maddi Holman is a Co-Founder and General Partner at Daring Ventures in New York City. She knows something about being an underdog — from becoming a walk-on D1 athlete at Rice University while managing a pre-med courseload to pulling off a last-minute pivot from medicine to finance despite having never worked in the field. While in VC, Maddi worked at Touchdown Ventures supporting multiple corporate partner VC funds spanning healthcare, telecom, software, proptech, and entertainment. At Cigna Ventures, she focused on early to growth stage healthcare companies and led the women's health vertical. Having successfully navigated traditionally male-dominated environments, Maddi uses her resilient background to identify diamonds-in-the-rough and overlooked investment opportunities.
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Speaker 1:I am so excited to welcome Maddie Holman, co-founder and general partner at Daring Ventures in New York City. She knows a thing or two about being an underdog, from becoming a walk-on D1 athlete at Rice University while managing a pre-med course load to pulling off a last-minute pivot from medicine to finance, despite never worked in the field. While in VC, maddie worked at Touchdown Ventures supporting multiple corporate partner VC funds spanning healthcare, telecom, software, prop tech and entertainment. At Cigna Ventures, she focused on early to growth stage healthcare companies and led the woman's health vertical. Having successfully navigated traditionally male dominated environments, maddie uses her resilient background to identify diamonds in the rough and overlooked investment opportunities. Okay, I'm so excited for this conversation. Let's get into it. Hi, maddie, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast. How are you?
Speaker 2:I'm good Thanks for having me on Excited to be here.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited to have you, so I'm curious when you are alone. No makeup, here is undone. There's no cameras. What brings you the most comfort and can you define yourself without all the titles and the roles?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's a great question. I think when I'm by myself, I really love to either be in nature, whether it's walking around or just sitting outside. One of my favorite things was growing up. My parents had a place out in Southern Maine and it was right on the beach. So I love just sitting out on the deck and hearing the ocean, smelling the sea breeze that's probably one of my happiest places. I would also say I like just being with people. I'm say I'm an extroverted introvert, so I love small groups and really close friends and family, and so I love just sitting around, no phones, no technology, and just kind of having really fun conversations and just laughing about different things and just really focusing on the group itself.
Speaker 1:I agree, I love being around in nature and I'm originally from Massachusetts and then I moved to New York city about five years ago, and so I always like mid afternoon to walk around Bryant park that's our little myths of green and, of course, central park, and I love practicing walking meditations and trying to be present, and I feel like that helps me really show up. So I definitely identify with that and I know for you you've walked into rooms maybe where no one has expected you. Can you take us into one of those moments and how you stepped into your power into the arena and fought to own your space there?
Speaker 2:you stepped into your power into the arena and fought to own your space there. Yeah, I have one that jumps out very early in my career. So when I first got into VC I ended up working at a firm called Touchdown Ventures which does VC as a service for corporations, and my background is more in biology and health and the fund that they had me start on was the T-Mobile Ventures and that is really focused on telecom software security. So very outside of my background and expertise and so kind of being thrown into that and having to evaluate deals, talk to founders and kind of present those deals in investment committees and also with just the investment team was super daunting and I just felt like a complete imposter in that situation and was just honestly for the first month really just terrified to try to absorb as much knowledge as I could.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty good at picking up different information and I like to learn.
Speaker 2:So I was like, okay, I'm going to just be like an encyclopedia and just digest all of it and have it so I can regurgitate it. But the more I continue to learn and try to get more up to speed on the industries that I was covering, the more I realized that the people around me who have all this expertise and knowledge weren't scary. It was actually great resources, and it's okay not to know everything you really don't need to, and it's impossible to even try to do so. So coming in with thoughtful questions and being up to speed on certain things is enough, and so that's kind of where I started to actually get a little bit more power when I was presenting, feeling a little bit more confident and also just being able to say I don't know, this is what I think, but I'd like to learn more, Like, can you help me understand that? And that that's not a sign of weakness, it's actually a sign of strength, because oftentimes people don't do that as much, even though many people in the room probably are feeling the same way.
Speaker 1:Absolutely and just being really honest about not knowing. I think I always like to stay curious and if I don't do something I get really excited about it because I love to learn as well. I'm curious because we talk a lot about imposter syndrome on the podcast. Do you ever spend time with your inner child? A lot of times I know that's a silly question A lot of times, when the imposter comes into play, it's the younger versions of ourselves that's going. I'm afraid I'm scared. Have you ever spent time with your inner child?
Speaker 2:It's interesting you say that One. Yes, I think one of the things that has really helped with that is therapy. It's something that I do all the time and it's like working out physically, it's mentally. It's not just a one and done or a short session, it's a lifelong time. And you know it's like working out physically, it's mentally, you know it's not just a one and done or a short session, it's a lifelong journey.
Speaker 2:And so getting to understand yourself and be more comfortable in your own body, knowing what those triggers are and why you're feeling that way super helpful.
Speaker 2:It's also interesting because when I was a super young kid and like when I look at home videos, things like that, I was sassy, I was loud, I would just feel confident. I would go into rooms and just say whatever came to my mind and, you know, was not afraid of what anyone thought of me, and so like I went from that to then, you know, getting into middle school and then high school, where you kind of have that you know natural transition of oh my gosh, I want people to like me, I want to fit in, and so it kind of got lost a little bit and just trying to excel in, like academics or in sports. A lot of that was me kind of just sticking to a system and not really questioning why I'm not kind of expressing my personality or like my thoughts. Like can be a good thing to, you know, bring into conversations. You don't always just have to be yes, this is the answer and follow that rule book. It's being able to show up as yourself and be okay with that.
Speaker 2:So it was an interesting progression to like where I am now. Like knowing that okay, I know what I'm doing Took a while not going to lie Like in my first job at Touchdown. It took me probably a year to kind of get to the full point of like okay, I'm believing what they're saying, that I actually am good at my job, and now using that to remind myself when it gets hard to be like okay, help me understand. Like I know this, but I don't know everything. And so there's that fine balance of being able to continue to learn while being solid in like your foundation. But it definitely did take a lot of like inner looking at things, like what may be happening, some of the not great things you know from your childhood versus some of the great things, and trying to like be aware of that. I think it's super important and has been super helpful for me.
Speaker 1:I agree, and it's so funny I, when I think about my earlier days, when I was very, very young, I used to play hockey on a boy's hockey team oh I love it, that's amazing. Hockey on a boy's hockey team oh I love it, that's amazing. As a competitive dancer, and you know it's funny. And then, even even earlier than that, I used to wear leopard pants on my head as a three-year-old because I didn't have any hair and I remember thinking like this looks like hair, like really, but it's. I didn't realize how lucky I was back then because my parents just allowed me to be myself and they're just. They were always supporters of whatever I wanted to do, as long as I was working hard and I did the right thing. And so I think it translated into my life.
Speaker 1:I learned as a competitive dancer. I was dancing 30, 40 hours a week, in high school especially. And then I went off and danced professionally and I learned about discipline. I learned about hard work and tenacity and grit. And then, when it really mattered, when I was raped and I and you know a lot of people they wonder, like, what will you do in the midst of adversity? I will never have to know, because in the midst of turmoil I had to really figure out what to do and how to get help, because it was so siloed, and so I had to really kind of what you're saying. You go to therapy. I had to find a therapist, I had to find a coach.
Speaker 1:There were so many outlets that I needed, and then I decided to create my own because I understood what that felt like, and so it's a beautiful thing to be able to lean into adversity and learn from it and grow through it. It's a beautiful thing and I know a lot of you know it can be hard to look at it as a negative, but I go and I look at it and I have so much gratitude for it now. It taught me what I'm made of, and I love hearing about pivots and changes in careers and life, and I'm so intrigued about how you went from pre-med to venture capital. It's so interesting to me. So can you take me through that? Can we unpack that a little bit? What was like? What gave you that courage to just take that leap of faith and hop right in?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's definitely a crazy story and not planned. It was very scary at the moment, but, yeah, happy to unpack it a little bit more. So I went to college down in Houston at Rice, and I went in thinking I was going to be pre-med be a doctor. Both my parents were doctors. I love science, biology, and so that's what I always envisioned for myself. And so I went into college with that, was pre-med, majored in biology, got all the way up to my junior year and they had this course where you could go shadow surgeons in the Houston Medical Center and I thought that was great, because then it really gives you a taste for what you would be doing on a day-to-day basis.
Speaker 2:And when I got there, I realized being in surgery, I was like this kind of oh, I don't want to do this. This is cold, it's long, it's kind of smells, gross, it's. It's not what I the parts of health that I really liked and I really liked learning about how things work, what's the innovation behind it. And so I realized, oh my God, I don't want to be a doctor. And thankfully I learned before having to take the MCAT, so I didn't have to go through that whole process, but it was kind of scary because, like for the longest time, like ever since I can remember growing up, I wanted to be a doctor, and so it was like this whole persona that I thought this is my life. I had it all set out and I was like now it's completely in crumbles. What am I going to do? I knew I didn't want to be a scientist with the biology degree, but I had no idea what else to do. Like it's very much, you go into college and you have kind of those buckets that everyone knows about and then there's everything else in between that you have no idea unless you come across it. Someone you know does it or just serendipitously. And so I spent a good like month, two months, pivoting trying to just, like you know, throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. I tried oh, maybe I'll be a lawyer. Found out that book quickly gave that away, tried to do the GMAT, decided that's not what I wanted to do. I didn't want to do an MBA, and so it was really my mom who really kind of helped guide me. She's always been great at knowing what each of me and my siblings' strengths are and what we would likely like to do so she kind of helped gravitate towards like, maybe do something more broad. That's not an MBA, but it's business.
Speaker 2:I always loved studying abroad, going to overseas, and so I looked at schools in London and that's kind of how I started narrowing down on master's programs in innovation, kind of how I started narrowing down on master's programs in innovation, entrepreneurship, basic business management, and that was where I was like okay, there's some opportunities here. It doesn't have to be so rigid in one way. I can actually explore other opportunities where your degree may matter or it may not matter. And so it was a lot of her support kind of helping me realize may not matter. And so it was a lot of her support kind of helping me realize you know, taking a pivot and doing something different is scary, but oftentimes it leads to unexpected outcomes in the best possible way. And so when I did that that's how I came across Venture it was kind of accidentally in my course that I was at an Imperial College in London and there was this Belgian VC who was teaching the course and it was a. He would fly in once a week and it would be for three hours, a small break and then another three hours and I was so energized through that whole time and so I was like, okay, if I can sit through six hours of this while other people are like falling asleep or scrolling on their phones, that I think this is the career path for me fast forward.
Speaker 2:When I got back to the US, I was like, okay, I'm going to try to figure this out and get into BC. It was very hard. It's not like today, where it's still hard today, but there's way more resources now. Back then there was really only John Gannon's blog and then trying to like reach out to people. So I spent about eight to 10 months having, you know, really awkward conversations at like events, trying to network, trying to learn the strategy behind that, trying to apply for jobs, go through interviews, learn the ropes, which was never. You know, until you try it, you're going to stumble and fumble a lot. There's a lot of a lot of rejections, a lot of no's, especially since my background was mainly biology and not finance, but eventually just kept on persisting and came across someone who was at Touchdown Ventures and that's how I got in and they really admire people without that traditional background and so that was the firm that gave me a shot, and that's kind of what landed me into the path I'm in today.
Speaker 1:I'm so intrigued with your background and your mission advocating and supporting the underdog. I definitely relate to your story of maybe not so much the background backing up the current work that you're doing today. I'm curious how there's a gap from your background and then now your mission today of I support the underdog. How did you connect the two and what do you do today to really support that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what do you do today to really support that? Yeah, so I spent after Touchdown I really leaned more into health because I really love women's health. That's a huge piece of what I'm super passionate about, partly from my own experience of not having a great healthcare experience and then having a solution that eventually was positive, so really trying to amplify that more. And so I switched from Touchdown to Cigna Ventures where I focused on early to growth stage health care investing and did that for a couple of years. And when I was in LA prior to living in New York now, I had met my co-GP of Daring Ventures, joe Alalu. He was in LA at the time working at Lazard, doing investment banking, m&a for aerospace and defense, and he happened to go to one of the networking events in LA which, when you look at the startup and VC ecosystem out there, it's pretty small compared to the startup and VC ecosystem out there. It's pretty small compared to New York or SF. So you really get to know people once you go a couple of times.
Speaker 2:And when I heard about his backstory it really just stood out to me and I was just like blown away because I had an unconventional path into finance. His was even more so. He was actually three-time community college dropout. More so, he was actually a three-time community college dropout, watched cars at Enterprise at LAX, didn't really know what he wanted to do and even got a part-time job if you can believe it off of Craigslist at an investment banking firm. I'm surprised it was real. But that's where he came across. Investment banking wanted to do that and so many people wrote him off because of his track record to date and he didn't let that stop him. So you know, fourth time's the charm was able to transfer into Columbia and then made his way into Lazard doing investment banking and he continued to mentor community college students during his time in banking, helping them get from where they were at in school to getting jobs on Wall Street and helping kind of provide that mentorship support that oftentimes is missing.
Speaker 2:And so taking that and translating it into venture and doing it for founders, who often get overlooked or aren't appreciated because they don't fit the typical mold, is really something that resonated with me, and so I decided to take the leap and jump from Cigna Ventures to start Dairy Ventures with him in October. So it's fairly recent and I really love the thesis. I think, going earlier and really providing that value add and being the type of investor that I didn't see in firms that I was at. They were too stuck in the old systems and structures, and so I wanted to do something new and that's kind of how I jumped in, which was very, very atypical of me given my CBC background. It was a lot more kind of you know you're in a structure, you know corporate environment. There's a little bit more you're insulated for some of the macroeconomics and so, but this one it just I got the entrepreneurial bug and wanted to jump right in.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's so fascinating to me. I love that. I love hearing that because you don't find that very often, especially like true early stage VCs. I think about this a lot as a founder, working like 60, 80 hours a week on building and I think because you have that bio background. When I studied psychology in college and I was fascinated with how we think and why we think the way that we do and I think a lot about as I'm building.
Speaker 1:A lot of people say you're so gritty, you're tenacious, and I think a lot about why that is, and I think part of it is because of my parents. So nature versus nurture. But I also think I came onto the planet this way. But when I think about my parents at this stage of my life, when you're young, you think your parents are superheroes and they are in a lot of ways. And then when you get older you realize, wow, look at the sacrifices that they made and how incredible it was and I owe a lot to who I am to them and how gritty they are.
Speaker 1:You know, my dad's a lawyer. My mom is in a wheelchair, she's disabled, but she's just such an like. She has so much strength and grit and I'm just so proud of both of them and they they're a huge makeup of who I am in my life and, after going through certain experiences in my life, I look at building an app, which is very, very challenging. I was like, oh, just another hill to climb, like you know, like um, and there's really hard days. But I think that my makeup, my genetic makeup, is just like I just can't give up. I'm just going to find a way. I just want to do the thing. You know what I mean. So I think a lot of that is just having that, that like figure addable mindset. But I'm curious for you when it comes to ambition what are traits that you see in founders that leads to success, and are any of them teachable?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great question and I would say, for founders, the traits that we really look for is, to your point on the just figure this shit out, you know it's really. They aren't deterred by challenges, obstacles, this mindset that, like I'm going to figure out a way to make this work and see it as a challenge rather than a barrier, and so you kind of just see that resilience and perseverance which is what makes them so gritty and scrappy. I would also say they have that lived and breathe what they're working on, versus founders that see in market opportunity and try to build for it. You just miss that intrinsic motivation piece where it's like I will work until I make this happen. So I would say those two pieces, and then the other one would be coachability and collaboration. I think that's a huge piece, especially as, like a founder and building a team is being able to really collaborate with others, get people excited about your vision and what you're doing, but also take feedback and know that as a person, your view is just one view and, like you have to adapt it to what the market is telling you and what other people want, and including advice from VCs and others in the ecosystem that are really there to help support. So I would say those are kind of like the main traits that we look for and where we get excited.
Speaker 2:I think the collaboration and coachability, those things can be teachable. I think you know explaining it to people, especially ones who are resistant to some of that feedback or coachability, it's like coming from the lens of like this is because I believe in you and I support what you're doing, and so this is just advice and feedback I'm trying to do to make you the best version of yourself. You can take it however way you want, but it's not a criticism. I think sometimes that's where it gets lost in translation. But if someone is open to that and sees it from that viewpoint, I think it's very easy to pick up that skill. I think some of the other things like that intrinsic motivation and get shit done I think that is like you either got it or you don't, um, because that is just kind of almost an intangible that you can't you can't um artificially make.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree and I think the eat, sleeping and breathing, the thing that you're building, you have to care, or it's tough, it's so saturated. If you don't care you can't work. It's not a nine to five, unfortunately. No, it is not.
Speaker 2:Not for me either. Yeah, it's funny because I always never thought myself as a entrepreneur, but I was like actually building a VC firm is very much being a founder. You're building a business. So I am very empathetic towards founders and realize I'm like, yeah, it's your baby, you're doing everything you can to make it work Absolutely, and I think I built such an incredible advisory board.
Speaker 1:One of my incredible advisors I'll shout him out Matt Hoffman from M13. He actually shaped the way that I look at VCs. I now have like a high bar, because he's so incredible and he's truly collaborative in a way that I've never experienced before. You know, as a founder which I love and it's, I think, he has a good balance between honesty, bluntness and empathy, which is really great, but he changed the way that I look at that whole industry, which is incredible. I'm curious for you what is that secret sauce? How do you find that secret sauce? So in your mission, you bet on companies that other VCs might not bet on. So walk me through one of those moments maybe it could be a recent moment where you had this like gut feeling inside that, like this is a company that I really want to bet on outside those traits that we look for.
Speaker 2:I would say there's just this gut feeling of I am energized and I want to jump in right now as I'm talking with them, they've captivated my attention and I believe in what they're doing and they are just doing the work. They're not waiting for funding to be able to do it. I'm like they're figuring out a way to build traction, funding to be able to do it. I'm like they're figuring out a way to build traction, whether that's getting free order signups or wait lists or actual customers. They're doing that, and even before pre-seed funding. And so I think, especially with our portfolio, we have four companies that we've invested in and all four of them exhibit this kind of X factor trait where you just want to jump in and be like how can I be helpful? Like you're already doing the work, like this is just to help accelerate it, like we're more of a supporting character, not the main character. How can we be helpful?
Speaker 2:I would say one example is a company that we did in the life sciences space called Praxis Pro, and the CEO he is someone, or actually let me give a little bit of context on the company.
Speaker 2:They do AI, sales, training and enablement and compliance for life science industries, starting with pharma.
Speaker 2:The COO and co-founder was a provider that he sold to, so you kind of have both sides of the equation in that dynamic.
Speaker 2:And before we even got introduced to him, before he had raised funding, he had already a pipeline of small and medium-sized pharma prospects that he was trying out their product on, getting their interest, and so it was really amazing to see him. He knows his industry so well and he's going to figure it out whether or not he gets the funding in this way or through just getting contracts and then revenue in that way. And so that was like wow, not only is this a founder that's got grit, passion, really knows the industry and that it's a large opportunity, but he's just doing the work already and I like want to jump in and help, like how best can I support you already without even making the investment yet? So those are the kind of founders where we call it kind of like check zero, of like we want to get in before the investment, show our value add, just because we like you and think what you're doing is amazing.
Speaker 1:I love that and I think that for your side it's also nice to kind of step in before writing the check to kind of see how this person works and how the company works, and it's a nice collaborative, mutual, beneficial relationship from the very beginning, which I love. It's super authentic. And so in moments in your business when the pressure's unbearable, it probably turbulence happens, right, and that's why we love it, because it brings us right back to balance, right, um, I don't like saying when everything's falling apart, but I like to say you know, when there's turbulence, when it feels like things are a little rocky, that happens and then we get right back to balance because we go for a walk outside. Where do you find your strengths? You know what part of you rises from the ashes to challenge, to overcome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think there's two, two parts of it. One is just looking at things I've overcome in my life already, um, things that were probably way harder than what I'm doing right now. Um, one being, I remember when I was doing I'd played volleyball at rice um in college and one of the things we had to do for pre-season training was this thing called the program, which was ex-Marines coming in and just whipping our asses for lack of a better word and just running us through kind of courses and things that they do for people in the military, and I was like dying, like physically, physically, mentally, like I don't know how I got through those two days. There's even times where I did not. I collapsed because of heat exhaustion, but then was fine. But getting through that and being pushed to the absolute limit from a physical and mental side in that capacity, I think back to that that I'm like, okay, nothing is going to be as hard as that.
Speaker 2:And then, from the other standpoint I get strength from is really my family and close friends, especially with my siblings. Both are having kids right now, and so I just think of that next generation of my nieces and nephews and looking at them and wanting to create something as an example of like who to be, how you can be strong and successful. You can face challenges and talk about them openly and just be authentic and build something amazing. And so I always think of them, of like I want to build a better place for them to be in than when I started, and so those are kind of the two things that give me strength. When things are very chaotic and kind of all over the place and wondering my life choices in the moment. Those are kind of the two things I lean on.
Speaker 1:I love that, and you mentioned success. That was a key word for me. What's success to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's such a, you know, big term that can be interpreted in so many ways. I think for me, success it's funny, it used to be kind of a typical thing we learn when we grow up Be successful, get a great job, be financially independent and live your life and like what you're passionate about. I think, as I've gotten older, really success means being true to myself, being able to be authentically me and like myself and what I'm doing, and not having regrets. I think there's too many times like growing up you get worried about what other people think, you're more cautious, hesitant about doing things, because what if you fail? And it's such a misconception of failing equals bad, when it's actually failing is where you learn the most, it's where you grow the most, and so that's what gives you strength. And so to me, that success is being able to really truly embrace failure with success and just live it in my truest self, unfiltered. That's kind of what I see as success.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful and I agree. I mean, you can't know the feeling of true success and true happiness unless you've spent some time in the dark. That's when you can feel step into the light. It's a really beautiful thing and I agree, I think that the experiences that I've had have made me who I am today, and I work a lot as well with a therapist and a soul coach and we talk a lot about unveiling the mass, stepping into ourselves, stepping into the arena to really show up. You know, and had it not been for those experiences that's why I say I'm so grateful I wouldn't be where I am today, ready and set up to charge forward. So I know, you're early, like, I feel like there's so much you you're, you're like set to do in your career. But I always end with this question in one word, what do you want to be remembered for?
Speaker 2:That's a tough one, um, a great great word. Um, tough one, um a great great word. Um, I would say kindness. I think there's not enough of that in a world where, like, we get caught up in so many things going on and goals and just everyday tasks and things we need to manage, and I think just being kind in general to people goes a long way.
Speaker 1:I agree and I think I've always had empathy in my life, but I think I have empathy to another level since starting Fortify, because you just learn people are going through their own experiences. Be kind, it doesn't matter At the end of the day. That's why I started off all my questions in the podcast with when you take everything away, who are you? Because at the end of the day, people remember, as Maya Angelou says, how you made them feel, not how much money you need, how many companies you sold, what you did with your career. People will talk about how you made them feel. So it's so important.
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