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I Feel You, A Fortify Wellness Production
20,000 Startups, One Nervous System: Angela on Trauma, Guilt & Getting Real About Success
Angela reveals the surprising personal identity behind her professional achievements as an academic, entrepreneur, and investor who has evaluated over 20,000 startups throughout her career. She shares intimate insights about battling imposter syndrome, healing from childhood trauma, and finding balance while building businesses.
• Cooking represents both learning and nurturing for Angela, who almost chose culinary school over business school
• Early experiences with imposter syndrome taught her to lean into discomfort as a sign of growth
• Growing up with trauma led to compartmentalization skills that initially helped but required therapy to overcome
• The biggest myth in entrepreneurship is that success is about the idea rather than years of consistent execution
• Founders should protect non-negotiable personal time while acknowledging that venture-backed businesses require 60-80 hour weeks
• Experiencing failure firsthand as both a founder and manager created deeper empathy for the entrepreneurs she now evaluates
• Learning to let go of guilt and unrealistic planning helped her find more authentic leadership
• Early-career advice: ask for more help without fear of appearing uninformed
• Making protected time for deep work yields the highest ROI for investors and entrepreneurs
Follow Angela's investing insights at 37angels.com
More about Angela:
Angela Lee is an award-winning professor and former Chief Innovation Officer at Columbia Business School where she teaches venture capital and leadership courses. Angela started her career in product management and then moved to consulting at McKinsey. She has started 4 startups and is also the founder of 37 Angels, an investing network that has evaluated over 20000 startups, invested in 100, and activates new investors through a startup investment bootcamp. She also serves as a venture partner at Fresco Capital, an early-stage venture fund that focuses on the future of work, digital health, and sustainability.
Angela has spoken at the White House and NASA and is an expert in teaching online and making learning scalable. She is a sought-after expert on CNBC, Bloomberg TV, MSNBC and Fox Business. She was recognized by Crain’s as a Notable Women in Tech, by Inc. as one of 17 Inspiring Women to Watch, and by Entrepreneur Magazine as one of 6 Innovative Women to Watch. In 2020 and 2025, she was awarded the Dean's Award for Teaching Excellence at Columbia Business School and she was awarded the Singhvi Prize for Scholarship by the class of 2022.
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Thank you so much for joining us. That hits mind, body and soul Raw stories, expert gems and the real stuff that helps you rebuild. Just so you know, this podcast isn't therapy or medical advice. It's real talk, lived experience and tools to help you find your way back. Season eight starts now. Subscribe, log in and let's get fortified. Hi, angela, thank you so much for joining me today. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for joining me today. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for being here. So I'm curious when the lights go off and the accolades fade, what keeps you grounded and who is Angela when she's not building, teaching or investing?
Speaker 2:Angela when she's not building, teaching or investing. You know, it's funny. When I think of that question, the first word that comes to mind is not one that I would have expected. I think I would have expected to say something, maybe like wife or something else, but the first word that came to mind was actually cook. So I actually applied to culinary school, business school at the same time, and there's a road not taken where I am a chef somewhere. If you believe in the multiverse and, um, when I think about cooking, I think about, you know, learning. You're always, you know, thinking about, like recipes and tinkering. You're never done learning how to cook. There's always so many more cuisines to explore but also nurture, right Like there's nothing I love more than having really good friends around a table, around a meal that I've cooked and for me, it is really a way of caring for people and I really believe that food is love Interesting.
Speaker 2:Do you feel like the dinner table is a way for you to connect with the people that you love Absolutely. Yeah, like I really love, you know, preparing food for my husband and myself and it's something that it's not a chore to me. It really is an act of love and joy.
Speaker 1:I love that, and how hard is it for you to put that phone away during the at the dinner table for you.
Speaker 2:Actually pretty easy. If people who have been in my class I always talk, I always end the class with talking about how to like be the version of you that you want to be. But you have to create physical reminders to do so. And my husband and I we have like a little cubby and we put our phones in it specifically because if they're physically at the table we will check them, but if they're a little bit out of arm's reach, then we'll actually have a conversation which is really important to us.
Speaker 1:I love that. That's so amazing. I should do that as well. So you've stood at the intersection of academia and entrepreneurship and investing. What's one moment where you felt completely out of your depth? And how did you choose to just stand in your power, step into the arena and just lead anyway? I've had lots of moments of imposter syndrome whatever you want to call it and I actually teach a course on leadership.
Speaker 2:I've I've had lots of moments of, you know, imposter syndrome, whatever you want to call it, and I actually teach a course on leadership and I tell people always to lean into the imposter syndrome and how it's good, right, the second you stop having it, I think it means that you're, you know, bored at your job or whatever.
Speaker 2:But I do remember one moment in particular. This happened very early on in my time at Columbia, where I was standing at the front of the classroom and I was teaching and the door was open and I happened to like, look to my right and one of my former professors was just walking to go to the restroom and we made eye contact, um, and in that moment I had this feeling of like he thinks that I don't deserve to be at the front of this classroom. I'm his former student. What do I know? You know the point, by my early thirties, I have no business being here. And I like, faltered, like stop speaking in front of the classroom. But, you know, kept on going and realized after the moment he was just automated the restaurant, like he had no idea he had that effect on me, and that all that's in my own mind and I'm very happy that you know, a decade later I'm still teaching and really, really loving it Interesting and we talk a lot about this on various episodes.
Speaker 1:We're heading into season eight. By the time this drops we will be into season eight and I talk a lot about spending time with your inner child, and part of the imposter syndrome sometimes is that inner child that you know my inner child and part of the imposter syndrome sometimes is that inner child that you know my inner child is three years old. I used to wear these like leopard pants on my head because I didn't have any hair. So I joked that that was like the start of my entrepreneurship. I was just like creative. I'm like you know what Leopard pants that looks. You know close enough, you know. But oftentimes it's that inner child that's going.
Speaker 1:I'm scared, I'm afraid, you know, and so I'm curious for you how do you bypass those moments? Because I agree with you that leaning into adversity you know a lot of what I went through after I survived. My trauma was, you know, before I learned the healing mechanisms, I kind of ran from it. You know, I armored up and I learned that the only way through is to de-armor and to deal with it and to lean into it. So what, what were ways that you were able to lean into it in such a brave way to get through it.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll tell you kind of maybe more unhealthy coping mechanisms and then hopefully some healthier ones. So I grew up in a family with a tremendous amount of trauma and violence and got incredibly good at compartmentalization. I'm the oldest child, was very much, you know, parentified, all those things that you hear about and was always told, you know, you're so mature, you are, you know, really even keeled, all that kind of stuff. And it's because I was just really, really, really good at compartmentalization. And so, I would argue, my 20s, maybe even early 30s, I was kind of just like white knuckling it through life, which is whatever discomfort I feel I'm going to shove down into a box and just keep trucking along and then um in a and then really basically discovered therapy, like a lot of other people in my 30s, and had conversations with therapists and they would literally walk me through stories of my childhood and I did not remember them at all right Like they were. It was brand new information as it was coming out of my mouth, but they were able to kind of like extract these memories.
Speaker 2:And I read this book into these exercises. It's a book called I believe it's called Mirror Work and it's like 28 days of exercises where you literally stand in front of a mirror, you talk to your child, your inner child, and again would be like this is like an exercise you do at the end of every day. I'll be like a puddle on my back of the floor. You know, by the end of it just things would happen.
Speaker 2:And so nowadays I am much better at having gentle mantras to say to myself, recognizing that you know I can be afraid and brave right, and so recognizing that you're not all one emotion, learning how to name emotions, be more comfortable with them, and so hopefully now in my 40s, I'm better able to cope with those demons.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I feel like emotions aren't something that you know we should be afraid of. I think we're afraid of the anger emotions, we're afraid of the sad. You know sadness, but it's just, it's like data points. We just take them in and we go, okay. So you know how do we break these down, what do we do about them, and so that's why I built Fortify, because when I survived my rape, I didn't have those tools to know where to go. And so that's the whole point of the podcast is, when I was in the depths of my healing, I would listen to other podcasts to learn and to learn through other people's lived experiences, and then, with Fortify, to build something that wasn't so siloed and wasn't so fragmented, so that we could find therapy and coaching and fitness meditation on one platform to really help people to live a very pragmatic life, you know, and whatever that means to people, because I understand the depths of that healing and what it takes to really, as you said, go through it and be on the bathroom floor in a puddle. It's hard work, it's really, really brave work, and I understand that. So thank you for sharing that with me.
Speaker 1:So you have evaluated over 20,000 startups so many. There's so many. You know probably biggest myths that founders believe about success. What truth do you wish? More of them understood earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the biggest myth around entrepreneurship is that it's all about the idea. You know, because of what I do, I think people are constantly pitching me ideas and they're constantly lamenting. I had the idea for Spotify, or I had the idea for Airbnb, or I had the idea for whatever, but then, you know, someone else went out and started it and it's really not about the idea. It is about day to day execution over the course of many, many years, and I really wish that people would stop thinking it's just about the idea.
Speaker 1:It is about so much more than that you know, how are you going to build a financial model to sustain the business, all those different things. Once I had the idea and the story, I'm like, okay, let's get down to the money story, Like how are we going to make money and what's that trajectory looking like? So you know, I agree with you on that, and I think it can be really tough as well for founders to kind of get out of their own way. You know, and I think, because I grew up as a competitive dancer, I was so used to hearing like this is wrong and this is wrong, you have to fix this. And so I look at the advisors around me as like no, they've been through the ringer. So you know, I take their advice and I run with it, and I think that's what I wish more founders would do as well.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, You've coached new investors through your bootcamps. How do you actually teach someone to trust their gut in a data-driven world? I know it's not usually something that you can teach. It's something that I feel like is lived, you know, through all the experiences. But what are some tips that you have?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know, if we go back to cooking as an analogy it is just like learning a recipe for making bread, right?
Speaker 2:So I think the first time you are making bread you need to weigh the flour and you need to really like is it humid in the air? Is it a warmer day? So I can prove it for less amount of time, whatever the case may be. And I think investing is the same way. And I tell people, the first 50 to 100 pitch decks you look at, follow the rubric I give you, because we do have a diligence rubric Look for this in team, look for this in market, look for this in growth rate. But then, after you've looked at a hundred pitch ducks and you've used that rubric a hundred times, then you can say, well, I'm going to make it my own. Maybe I care a little bit about the IP of the technology and I care a little bit less about market size, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1:But until you follow that recipe and I would say 50 to 100 times, that's when you can start to deviate and go with your gut a little bit more that's when you can start to deviate and go with your gut a little bit more, and I know that there's various you know entrepreneurs and business owners that kind of have that. I know Michael Rubin talks a lot about this of like is there an actual work-life balance when you're building or even when you're in like the billions range? Do you really believe because I know you talked about you have to work 60 to 80 hours a week and I can attest to that because I'm working nonstop. There is no weekends for me but do you really believe that there is a work-life balance?
Speaker 2:So I think that can you work 30 hours a week for five years and build a venture-backed high growth business? I don't know of a lot. I can't think of a single instance where I know that's right. Is it impossible? Probably not, but I don't know of any of those stories. However, can you work 60 to 80 hours a week most of the week, but then still take a couple of weeks of vacation here and there and really protect that time? Can you have non-negotiables, like you know, wednesday night yoga or other non-negotiables, like I have to be home every day from six to eight to have dinner with the kids and put them to bed, but then I can get on my computer afterwards? I think that's very, very possible. I think all of us should have those non-negotiables and state them to our significant other, to our co-founders, to our team members, and so I think you can work very, very hard while protecting certain things that are really, really important to you, and I think you have to to stay sane.
Speaker 1:I'm curious like what narratives are you seeing right now when it comes to work-life balance? What narratives are you seeing right now when it comes to work-life balance that you feel like are myths that aren't a reality?
Speaker 2:to build a venture-backed business Well, I mean, I think one thing is, when I hear people who are working you know 60, 80-year-old weeks working at you know one of the big tech firms like I'm going to go quit so I can have control I'm like, if you're quitting to get better work-life balance, absolutely not, because regardless of how many hours you're working, the mental load of being a founder and you must feel this all the time is you can't just leave work at home. And so there is this like mental overhead. If you're always thinking about it, you think of ideas in the shower, you wake in the middle of the night, you're scribbling on ideas that that is hard to get away with as a founder, and I think right now people are really focused on physically where they work right.
Speaker 2:Everyone's talking about return to work. You know being geographically distributed. I'll be honest work-life balance is not something I hear people talk a lot about in the entrepreneurship world In terms of how much they're working people are much more focused on where they're working.
Speaker 1:Okay, and do you think that there's more productivity happening in the office versus at home?
Speaker 2:I do not. I am very much a believer of only you know what works best for you, and so I was just talking to a colleague who is he's like I have two young kids and two dogs. I absolutely need to be in the office every single day because otherwise I'll get nothing done. And then other people are like have an hour and a half long commute and an open office plan where they can't do any deep work. So I think everyone needs to figure out what's best for yourself, your team, your organization, and there is no one size fits all.
Speaker 1:I agree and I think, again going back to growing up as a competitive dancer, I'm very regimented. So even though, you know, some days I work from home, some days I'll go to like a WeWork or whatever, I am very regimented. I treat it like it is, you know, a corporate job. I wake up at the same time every day. I, you know, I. I get my coffee in the morning, I go, I sit at my desk at a certain time and I'm working, you know, nonstop. But I have those routines.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that if someone knows me well enough they could go okay, it's three o'clock, she's here. I'm very routined in that way and I think being diligent, being regimented and having that tenacity, it really does help you as a founder, because if you're not that way, it can be really easy to get lost in the sauce. So I'm curious if we were to dig a little bit deeper. Obviously you're very ambitious, but if we were to kind of dive deeper. You know, emotionally, what have you had to let go? And I'm talking like you know you kind of alluded to something when you were talking about, you know, spending time with your inner child being in the bathroom. You know going through emotions. What belief maybe limiting belief that you have to let go to step in your power now to be the Angela that you are today.
Speaker 2:So, first of all, I think there's a in that story. There's implied that, like I'm done and I would argue that I'm 100% not it's still kind of figuring out how to navigate, um, but I would say, you know, the the biggest thing is is just letting go of guilt, right. So I am somebody who, um, grew up with with a lot of a lot of guilt, a lot of shoulds, and you know, early on I just did everything I was supposed to do, right.
Speaker 2:So, whether it was like people are always like, oh, how'd you pick your major in undergrad, I'm like well, my dad picked it for me because it was, you know, being an econ business major was was practical right and I did all the things that you're supposed to do and I think it took me until my mid 30s to really ask myself well, what does Angela want to be when she grows up?
Speaker 2:And I think letting go of the guilt like my dad to this day is upset that I wasn't ever an investment banker, right, and the guilt I feel around not living out that dream has diminished over time. I don't know that it'll ever 100% go away, but a lot of that has certainly diminished and I've gotten much better at saying no and recognizing that saying no, protecting my own time and protecting my own boundaries, doesn't make me a horrible person. And I mean I remember I gave up, like my health, to say yes. Really I remember in my in business school I had like 75 first shot interviews or something like that. I did them all and then lost my voice for two and a half weeks. So my body just shut down and was like, oh, you're not supposed to work at the pace that you've been working for the last couple of months. And I've had a couple of instances like that in my life where my health just gave out and unfortunately it took that for me to recognize that it wasn't sustainable.
Speaker 1:Wow, yes, and I do believe that the body keeps score.
Speaker 2:There's a really good book, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Great book and the body and, just like you know, even being sick right now, I'm like my body is telling me something, you know, and being really honest with that, which I think is really important, because I think that, um, as women, we give and we give and we give, and we have to be brutally honest with ourselves. I know, for me, I have to be brutally honest with myself about what I'm feeling in order to think about how I'm scaling, how to lead, how to hire all those things, and so I don't take it lightly that I'm in the wellness space and I have to take care of myself in order to authentically launch a company that's so mission-based in taking care of your holistic wellness. It's so important and it's the most important investment we'll ever make in our life. Right Is investing in ourselves. It's without your health, as you just said, you have nothing. And there is this notion out everywhere on LinkedIn, everywhere, social media that you get to this place and you're happier. But no, you know, to get to the next level, you have to learn different skill sets to get to the next level. And you know, once we scale, then there'll be more lessons and more skill sets that I will have to learn to get to the next level, and I've I've spoken to many founders that have you know to that have launched and have scaled their businesses and sold their businesses, and they're still in a place where they're learning about themselves and learning who they are.
Speaker 1:So it's a never ending process. So, with that, you've built, you've scaled startups. What does failure teach you? I don't think we talk enough about failure, because I think that I wouldn't have been able to be the person I am today without my failures, without my adversities. The darkness really teaches you how to show up in the light. So what have you learned?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's really good to experience failure and to recognize that you can recover from it, and so not all of my startups have been successful, right, and so having to wind down and walk away from a startup that never got to be where you want to be was really, really tough for me in my career. Right, I went, I was, I started a company during the first dot-com boom and I to have that founder empathy, I think is really helpful to be able to talk to founders and be like, yeah, I know what it feels like to not maybe be able to pay your team next, next month, or to lose a huge client that was, you know 40% of your revenue, I think, or to walk into countless sales meetings and to have, you know, customers constantly saying no. So that founder empathy has served me really really well, but also just like the emotional fortitude that comes through that, I remember the first time I had to fire somebody. It did not go very well and by the end of the meeting, yes, I had fired this person, but he was comforting me because I was so upset by this experience and I'm like, imagine this poor guy's just been let go and he has to comfort the person who just let him go and that was a complete failure as a manager.
Speaker 2:But I was very young, never fired anyone before, and it made me just realize, like my job as a manager and I can't put that emotional load on people if I'm going through something and I'm glad I learned that early on. Thankfully I'm still, you know, professionally collegial with this guy and we can laugh about it at this point. But man was that I was mortified for weeks. I mean, I still think about it at this point. It happened like 15 years ago.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's so interesting. When I had Paul English on, he was the co-founder of Kayak. They sold for like $2 billion. But he had said on an episode with me that he had emailed his staff talking about that. He lives with bipolar disorder and I met him through SLP, just like I met you, and I thought how brave is this person. I couldn't stop but think this is so brave.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately, it's so hard to talk about mental health so publicly, especially when you're running a business. There's so much stigma. It's why I have the podcast.
Speaker 1:I like to kind of strip away all the things that make us who we are, all of our titles, and go like who are you as a human?
Speaker 1:And I remember him talking about his experience as well at SLP. I was really excited he's from Boston, I'm from Boston and I just thought, wow, like I don't think he understands like how much that meant to me because I'm always talking about my story and it's so empowering to hear him talk about his story, to hear you talk about your story, because it kind of because you both run everyone that comes after you can walk and talk about their story too. So it's just such an important thing and it means so much to so many people, because I think that sometimes we think that we're the only ones. We're the only ones that are going through what we're going through, and that's just not the case, you know. So it tells me that you're also an empath when you talk about your story, about something that happened 15 years ago. But I'm curious in terms of having failure in a startup, how has that changed you as a VC, as a venture capitalist? Has that kind of changed your approach to looking at founders?
Speaker 2:I think I am more forgiving of failure, right? So I do see a lot of new investors will kind of. The reality is every startup has warts. Like everything has risks, every human has flaws. And I do see a lot of new investors who come in, especially if they don't come from the founder side, that are so tough on these startups. Like, well, they had an inventory stock up, yeah, that happens. Or, you know, they had supply chain issues and they were delayed in getting stuff to their customers. Or they, you know, hired this person, they underpaid them or they overpaid them, or they gave them too much equity, right, there are a thousand mistakes the founders made. And then the issue isn't the founder made the mistake. The issue is if the founder is uncoachable or they're unwilling to learn from that mistake. And I just find that earlier and newer investors, I should say, or inexperienced investors, are just really unforgiving of mistakes and I do think that makes them a worse investor. If you look at any successful startup, they will tell you the 15 mistakes they made getting to that path. And companies have to pivot and, you know, I do wish that all of us would more normalize.
Speaker 2:Talking about current failure, it is very easy for people to talk about failure, and I just did it myself. I just talked about a failure that happened actually probably closer to 20 years ago, because I've packaged it, I've dealt with it, I've processed it. But we should be talking about current failures as well, when we're living it, because then it's raw and it's real and it's still messy and you don't actually know that you're going to come out of it on the right side or better for it, and I think we all, myself included, should be sharing more current failures. I agree.
Speaker 1:And I think for me, failure can be kind of fun, because I get to go okay, what is this here to teach me? And, depending on how I respond, I go okay, what do I have to get better at? Like, why, why is this really triggering me in this way? What is the root of the problem? And it's a lot of fun. That's why I love entrepreneurship, because I'm such a curious person and I like to challenge myself. You know, it's a lot of fun. That's why I love entrepreneurship, because I'm such a curious person and I like to challenge myself. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:And if you can look at it as a puzzle and also, obviously, building a digital healthcare startup, I also have gained so much empathy. I mean, I've always had empathy, but in a different perspective of just like the human experience. I've always had empathy, but in a different perspective of just like the human experience. And so when it taught me about other things, little things, they don't really upset me anymore, like they don't trigger me as much, because I'm like you know what? Just, we'll figure it out. Like you know the wifi, you know the wifi. It's like it's all right, pivot turn, let's go, let's keep going.
Speaker 1:So it kind of gives you that equilibrium, and so practicing I do like walking meditations, getting right back to balance, is really an important practice as a founder, because there's going to be turbulence left and right. You just got to get right back to balance Absolutely. We kind of already talked about you know boundaries and burnout, but what would you have wanted to say to the earlier version of yourself as an investor? I know you talked about things that early stage new VCs need to learn and maybe be a little nuanced at. So what's something that you wish you could go back and tell you know, maybe first year VC Angela, that you wish you do?
Speaker 2:Um, I would say there are two pieces of advice I would give. So the first is to get much better at asking for help. Um, I am somebody who is fiercely independent and was like I'm just Google and this was again before Chachi PT and so I'm like Google, like I'd go to every meeting. I would come home and I would just like spend an hour Googling and if I just like, in the meeting, been like, can you explain what that term means, help me understand what you mean by this and just be more comfortable asking for help to introductions to other experts, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2:In my entire professional career, I just wish I'd asked for a lot more help. I think I was too afraid of seeming dumb. Just wish I'd asked for a lot more help. I think I was too afraid of seeming dumb, too afraid of relying on other people. So that was something that I really wish I'd done early on. And I think the second thing is just making time for deep work. So I think early on, when you're so busy, you're so reactive, and making time for deep work and protecting time, to say I'm going to spend two hours reading about this new technology or I'm going to spend two hours thinking about what my investment thesis is. Whatever, it is that time for deep work really pays itself Like the ROI on that time is so high.
Speaker 1:I agree and I'm curious in thinking about your inner child. What is something on a personal level that you would like to go back to her and say?
Speaker 2:I think I would like to say you know, it's all going to be okay, it's not. I was a great I am still a very crazy planner, but I mean, from a very young age, had like a 10 year plan and an Excel spreadsheet. I used to write down all of my New Year's resolutions and I'd have like 50 of them in an Excel spreadsheet and I would like track my success rate. And I have many, many examples of stuff like this. I like I track everything numerically and I think it's because I grew up in such a state of turmoil and uncertainty and unsafety that, again, this is through therapy. I've recognized that these things like give me this false sense of security, like my Excel spreadsheets and, I think, just telling my younger self that like things will work out, not in any way that you expect them to, but to plan a little bit less and to live with a little bit more flexibility.
Speaker 1:I love a good Excel spreadsheet. Like I love a good Excel spreadsheet, I live on Excel, Google well, Google spreadsheets but I love color coding. I color code my Google calendar. It makes me happy, so I relate to that and I love that and I respect that. So thank you so much, Angela, for your time today. We always end with this question In one word what do you want your legacy to be left behind at?
Speaker 2:That is a really tough question Um nurturing.
Speaker 1:I love that and you know it's so interesting. It always comes full circle. You started off with you off with cooking and loving cooking and providing in that way for your family, so it all comes full circle. I love that. Thank you so much for your time today. I appreciate you, and how can our listeners stay in touch with you and follow all of the insights that you have?
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me. The best way at the investing side is to go to 37angelscom.
Speaker 1:Okay, Thank you, Angela. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening to the fortify wellness pod, where we empower mind, body and soul to reach new heights. Your wellbeing is your greatest dream. Nurture it, honor it and watch yourself thrive. If today's episode inspired you, subscribe, share your thoughts in the comments and come back next week for more insights to elevate your journey. Stay empowered, stay true and remember you're not alone. This is a Fortify Wellness production. All rights reserved, 2025.