From Wounds to Wisdom (Previously the Mental-Hell Podcast)

Step Fully into Your BOLD Authentic Self- get RAW, go BOLD, be YOU

• Season 2 • Episode 7

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Today’s guest is bringing the fire, the heart, and a whole lotta Moxy. 

Rhonda Liebig—also known as Rhonda Lou Moxy—is a powerhouse in the world of mindset transformation, media, and coaching. With 15 years in the spotlight as a speaker, author, and host of Fresh Talks - Global Vision, Rhonda’s mission is clear: ditch the shame, break the patterns, and step fully into your bold, authentic self. 

She’s all about helping people revitalize their energy, shift their mindset, and take quantum leaps in life and business. Through her unique blend of health coaching, business savvy, and intuitive leadership, she helps others calm the nervous system, unlock powerful decision-making, and reclaim their vitality—inside and out. 

Whether she’s coaching high-level entrepreneurs, speaking on global stages, or creating space for big conversations in her Humanity Mindset Transformation Project, Rhonda is here to help you live fully—not on autopilot. 

Let’s dive in with Rhonda Liebig and talk all things energy, mindset, and what it really means to live with Moxy. 

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Season 2
Unraveling the Mind: From Mental Struggles to Inner Strength.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the From Wounds to Wisdom podcast with your host, barbie Moreno, where we dive into people's past and discover what wounds they incurred and how they transformed those wounds into wisdom to help themselves and others. Welcome to the From Wounds to Wisdom podcast. This is your host, barbie Moreno, and today's guest is all about bold energy, big mindset shifts and living life with moxie. Rhonda Lee Bigg is a mindset coach, author and host of Fresh Talks, global Vision. With over 15 years in media and coaching, she helps people break free from old patterns, calm their nervous system and step into their power. She's on a mission to spark real change personally and globally, through energy, work, vitality, coaching and unapologetic authenticity. Let's welcome Rhonda and get into what means to be truly live, energized, aligned and bold. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, barbie. I love that intro. I'm feeling like a superstar at least for me. We're just talking through the heart.

Speaker 1:

I appreciate you, thank you, I love that. And before we started we kind of had a little side conversation about the fact that we're both intuitive people and being intuitive people and being in coaching and being in this world. Previously we had to kind of hide this part of us, right, but now we feel empowered and I think it's important for us to be empowered in that intuitiveness because it is who we are.

Speaker 2:

I used to think it was something to hide from and I'd say even the last year I've gotten more open to it because I was a CPA accountant, corporate black and white. And I'd say even the last year I've gotten more open to it because I was a CPA accountant, corporate black and white. And then, when I started in this industry about 17 years ago, it was like something happened, you know, and it just opened me up and I was like my clients though I knew it helped them, but they helped me first by me having some clients that were just highly intuitive and I was like that seems normal to me. And it they helped me first by me having some clients that were just highly intuitive and I was like that seems normal to me and it just helped me lean into it more.

Speaker 1:

And so I know that you shifted from being a CPA to what you're doing now. Did you have like so? You know the podcast is from wounds to wisdom. Did what shifted that for you? Where did you go from that world of being very analytical and all of that into this beautiful person that you are today?

Speaker 2:

I love feeling beautiful, because I know you're talking about the inside and the aura of that. There's so many stories when you start talking like this, because I'm just thinking of so many different things, but the story I do want to share today is around the time that I started this accounting, cpa stuff. This is the point where I met my love that I've been married to now for 27 years and the feeling that everything should be fabulous, because I was so excited I was going into an industry that now I realize you know like, even though I want it to be masculine. My whole life I thought I was protected as a man, like strong that nobody would hurt me, right, and I came in that way in life consistently since I was younger, about wanting to one upup people like in a masculine way, like you did you. You curled that if we're in the you know the gym, oh, I can do more. Or you did that in the yard, I can do that too.

Speaker 2:

And it didn't matter how big the person was, how strong they were. But it was this feeling that I had to keep myself safe and I was in that space when I first started my career in accounting, first meeting this man that I love so much. But I wasn't feeling as empowered as I thought that if I look back and I go, if this was the right alignment, how did it spin like free flow? Everything would be great. But what happened was I ended up on thyroid medicine and I noticed that I wasn't really speaking my truth at that time. I could have shared more about how I was afraid of certain things that were going on. I was afraid of having this love that I never thought about marrying anybody at all.

Speaker 2:

And all of a sudden it was like just this natural, easy thing. But in the back of my head I was in torture, I was scared, I was breaking out in hives. I didn't know how to manage life of my head. I was in torture, I was scared, I was breaking out in hives. I just I didn't know how to manage life of my heart being exposed. I wasn't used to it naturally being open. It was like open, close, open, close. And it was just based on my atmosphere.

Speaker 2:

What mask am I going to wear? And I wore a mask when I started in my accounting industry because I wanted to be masculine. There were more men in there, even though more women were coming in, but I wanted to make sure that I never showed that I didn't know how to do something. So I would work extra, extra hard, extra extra hours. I would just kind of kill myself and be working until really, really late, studying all the time, because I thought that if I zip it up and I present myself in a way where, like exterior, okay, I'm look as perfect as I can be, I'm going to buy the clothes that I need to buy. I'm going to act the way I do. I'm going to watch how other people act so I can act like that, and it's like this whole, you know, robotic thing.

Speaker 2:

So I ended up on thyroid medicine because I wasn't speaking my truth and we're talking, you know, holistic here today we just started that and so I was muffled so much in my it was a very high time because there were so many things coming at once that were so wonderful, but I wasn't knowing how to authentically enjoy it. Yeah and um. So I stayed on medicine for 20 years, and that whole time I wanted to speak my truth, but the medicine was saying don't worry about it, the medicine has you, has your back, and so I. Somehow you know, if we think about energetics, about this, somehow, for some reason, when I stopped taking it 10 years ago, I literally felt a veil come off me where I could breathe, but I knew that I had to get in truth right away, or, you know, not being on thyroid medicine, it takes care of every part of your body.

Speaker 2:

That was my pivot, though to start speaking my truth, listening to it and really feeling my pain, the pain of not speaking to finally flowing, really feeling my pain, the pain of not speaking to finally flowing, and I felt all the wounds that I was feeling growing up and how that calculated throughout my whole life and I started unwinding it and unpacking it. It changed my world, where to where I felt soft and love, and I feel love consistently. My goal is to look at my family, my kids, my hubby. How much more can I infuse love into that? Yeah, because I miss so many years of open, close, open, close. So there's like this wound that just keeps healing and healing and I think, even if I live to be a hundred, I'll still be like you know clearing it because I think we're just ever growing and there's never a to-do moment.

Speaker 2:

I really appreciate that actually.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean, if you're not always conforming and changing and growing, what's the point, right? But I have. I understand your story because I, too, conformed to a male dominated industry. I worked in corporate and I, I changed who I was to fit in with what. You know, they thought somebody like me should be. And so you know, you, you turn, you have a wall up, you change the way that you speak, you, you know, you do all of these different things that are not authentic. But I think that that's very common for businesswomen in particular, because, again, most of those fields are male dominated and so if you show your femininity, if you show your emotions, then you're kind of like, oh, she's like that emotional girl. You know what I mean, and so you're not taking taken seriously.

Speaker 1:

I want to ask you so you talk about your thyroid and the fact that once you started empowering yourself and using your voice, you no longer needed the thyroid medication. And a lot of people are going to be like I don't understand the correlation between the two. So can you tell us like what? One, how you figured that out? And then, two, you know we don't want people just going off their thyroid medication, right, but but how did you correlate that one? You know equal, basically the other.

Speaker 2:

I didn't know it at the time, but I was a health coach. I've been a health coach for 15 years. I've been in the health industry cumulatively about 25 years and so I didn't think of that. But in some ways I did. I'm like, oh okay, if I get off my medicine, and that's probably as far as I got, you know what I mean. Like I was scared it and that's probably as far as I got. You know what I mean. Like I was scared. It's like I didn't get to the next step. If I get off my medicine, you should do this.

Speaker 2:

So how you connect those is that if you're not speaking your truth, that means it slows your body down. You have a slower metabolism when you get in a situation that is not serving you like. I even look at tongues. You know just like the flow of the and your tongue really says a lot about what's going on in your body. You just have more white on your tongue, like you're stagnant in energy. And so I started looking at my tongue more, because that was something I learned in health coaching and I got in deeper with my tools. Now I knew that my mind was doing something that was affecting me, because I started looking at like my timeline in general, it started giving me an understanding. If I open up my mind and my voice to this new person that wants to come out, that's been here all the time, but it's been hiding. I can see every bout when I was feeling sick, when I'd pass out, and there was these incidents that happened. So okay, so my mind now, if I connect that, that means I'll feel more free. That means my whole system, my endocrine system, my chakras, my energy cycles. However, you want to see that I started opening up more. But wait, I gained 60 pounds almost overnight. Now I'm a health coach and 60 pounds extra. How do I step into that?

Speaker 2:

So what I looked at is okay, mindset, but what about what else? Okay, I need to stop having pizza with the kids once a week, not before. I'd be like, oh well, my body can handle that and it's like, yeah, but I mean energetically, do I really? Am I really attracted to that food? Because my big goal is this this actually sounds a little sexier. If I go here, my kids have that, I'm going to have a really good. You know, whatever it was, because sexy to me felt like I'm putting energy in my body down to the cell level and my kids get to enjoy that, because pizza is wonderful, certain times at that, though without taking medicine. Come on, rhonda, let's you know, let's get in there deep.

Speaker 2:

So I got in deeper with those tools and I started not working out so much because I was overworking out, because I started working out when I was 14. It was just one of those things I did and I go how can I slow things down? I literally did all of that, that package. It got me deeper into what I was doing with my health coaching clients, which is great, but it got me to see me and really have the empathy of what I was doing. So all those kind of came together. That's how that connects.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean, in my online course and my coaching, I also talk about slowing down. Like you know, there's everybody does cardio and they don't understand that actually stresses out your system more and then you get more cortisol and then you gain weight, and they don't understand. And so a lot of the practices that I teach are somatic. So a lot of people don't know what somatic is, but it's basically moving the energy in the body through different movement or yoga. I mean you can do cardio, but you don't do cardio every day, right, you have to take care of your body in other ways and I think that that's part of the healing process. So it's amazing that you also understood that, because we're just taught do cardio.

Speaker 2:

Oh, did you ever call yourself cardio queen, Like? It just was like.

Speaker 1:

I was never. I did not need to prove myself in the gym.

Speaker 2:

I could care less, I'm the best prove myself. Cardio queen meant to me is like that's all I want to do is cardio, like that is my center. And I love, like I said, sexism and I love clean up, because I don't think of it as ego, I think of it as like we are all leveled up. We just don't understand. So there's no ups or higher level or anything. So when I use those words, it's interchangeable for anybody, you know. But I I was, I was very focused on cardio and now it's. It's not like that, you know.

Speaker 2:

So I love that you're doing that work too, because the movement of the body, if we pull if I can go here for a moment if we pull the stress off our body, our nervous system is known to create pharmaceuticals. So that's where you get the protein, that's where you get the. You know, the repairing of the cells, that's where you get to release all the old cells. Well, we can go on with that, but I don't want to go too far. But our body knows how to take care of ourselves. So why are we beating it up? We don't need to do that.

Speaker 1:

Right, that's about the, but you have to feel worthy before all of this, right? So if you don't feel like you're enough, if you don't feel like you're worthy, if you're living in your past and your childhood trauma and all of those different things, you're not going to be able to do these things. So I believe that the first step is really establishing your worthiness and knowing that you're born worthy and you're born enough, and then everything else is just you know experiences.

Speaker 2:

I hear you. Yeah, I think about that. I think about connection also, like because why are you not going to beat yourself up Because you think, well, if I stay up late could I get everything done? It's like proving yourself to people and you go isn't that what I'm supposed to be doing? But I guess you're right when you feel the worthiness. It's like that connection and understanding that if I get connected with this is what my goal is here and I feel safe in it. Yeah, I feel safe. So it means I'm going to get results.

Speaker 2:

So I always think of like how can I share maybe a testimonial or something? So somebody feels like, okay, I'm going to try this. I feel uncomfortable because I'm so used to doing whatever the extreme is. Let's just try it. Let's even try it for a week. And I like to look at at I love to be a coach because you get to help somebody actually see the difference. So even if it's 10%, we're just talking one week, right, somebody would think they would be a failure. But you go here, wait and what my first book is called the fit solution, and it's with a double t. That last t is about celebrating. So when you even get one percent, it's way different than if you did nothing at all. So sometimes we don't get to the full vision. Sometimes it's, you know, mapping it out. So that celebration is really important, so people can look at even within 24 hours what a change can be Right.

Speaker 1:

That's what I think about when I and I think people expect big change really fast, right? That's why there's all of these, like you know, quick diets and all of these other different things that never really last. But then also that has to do with, you know, the nervous system doesn't change overnight. The physical body doesn't change. The mindset doesn't change overnight. The routines, the patterns, all of these different things that we've had our entire life, we've taken all of these years to develop them, they're not going to change overnight. And then people give up. So when you're doing your coaching, how do you keep people from giving up?

Speaker 2:

I love on them. I think you know it's. It really is because people aren't used to being loved on. I very seldom get people that have been in that space where they've been loved on a lot, so we get the opportunity to be in quiet space with them. And when they're not showing up, how can I get into that space with them so that they can really just have a smile for a moment? Even because I had somebody the other day that was like totally cut off in the head and has, uh, is known as a love bug, a very nice person, but something happened within um seven days since last time I saw them, and so how do you get somebody that is not connected with their body, their heart, but they're just speaking like this, but they are like in logic, like no, I, I do that because of this, I do that because of that. I'm like here, this is a different person than what I saw, even seven days ago.

Speaker 2:

So it's building that trust with somebody so you can actually call them out, so they don't feel like they're smacked across the face. You know you're like hi-yah and then, but some people have been with me for a while, I can do that, and they go oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's. It's just that your words you get to be more straight up, but people who you just start working with, when they get shifted off, that way, you're just dancing around just making sure where the opening is and it's just through words and also like energy work, you're just kind of feeling their flow to make sure that you pivot them because they won't want to be with you If you can't change that atmosphere that they came in on, there's going to be angry, and so I've had that too. At the beginning I was like people are leaving me and I go. What? It's not my fault? And then I thought, oh, ego, yeah, open up your heart, rhonda, prepare yourself for the day, because this is actually bigger than what you originally thought.

Speaker 2:

A health coach can be now a business coach. Because of you know my background, just these things are happening. Now I'm a business coach because of you know my background, just these things are happening.

Speaker 1:

So I think it has to do with love and nurturing and safety. Do you um? Do you deal with a lot of people who are um stuck in their past, trauma? I think everybody is yeah, I mean, everybody has a story, right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but we're not it's like we're not therapists so we don't like go muddle on the back and go, okay, let's do this, let's talk about this. It's like you don't have to. It's like when somebody is moving forward, if they say something, they're safe enough to say it. So you just are listening and you go, ah, you see how that? Oh yeah, and then they may be sad for a while because they're clearing it, but they finally get to hear it. So everybody's in it, just depending on what level.

Speaker 2:

And I find that I used to think that money was tethered on, like your healing space, because I was like I'm gonna make more money as soon as I clear myself more and I'm like, oh well, that doesn't work that way. I have to relax, not be my old corporate self, like to do black and white list, but to really feel everything is energy. So if I keep going in with energy with people, it doesn't matter what level they're in it, just I know. I like I think, barbie, you're going to say the same, but maybe in a different way, but I just can feel where somebody is, or like even the words and the phrases they say, that I go, oh yeah, they're really set, but they don't see it. Oh, this is great opportunity to talk about words and framing, but also kind of let them breathe, give them some space, not be on them so much as you're trying to hold that space.

Speaker 1:

And I want to talk about money, because often money is one. It's, you know, what people are driven by, but they don't understand that there is an emotional attachment to the money, usually proving yourself trying to show that you're not scarcity. There's not enough money in the world and I have found through my self-worth and work is that money really only abundance? Because you can get money and abundance and you know abundance doesn't only include money, right, but if you honestly honor yourself and live the life that's aligned with you, it always just seems to come. Yeah, you know, you don't have to work, so hard for it exactly.

Speaker 2:

You know you could work a lot of hours and not feel like you're working hard, because sometimes you want to work a lot of hours, so you know to do different things, but it doesn't mean you're going to bring more money in it's. It's like understanding. You know, like I thought people were hoity-toity, that person thinks they're better than somebody like all those kinds of things. So clearing that kind of stuff and knowing when it shows up. But really, if you're doing your work and I'm also playing with my calendar, with this, which means my calendar is based on you know who's on my schedule, how many clients I have and stuff like that, so I haven't played with my calendar now spiritually I'll see some people back to back and I go oh, that doesn't, that doesn't seem to work. That energy and somehow and this has been like just the past month and so somehow somebody moves and goes to another day and it works and I just go Rhonda, hands off your calendar, yeah, hands off, let the flow happen. And so it's been really magical going into that. That is where money gets introduced, and I was just interviewing somebody a couple hours ago and when you're with people that need help, you know how to have that conversation. It's you're not a vulture, you're not trying to make money off of somebody.

Speaker 2:

I have my show. It helps me bring in leads, but I don't think of them as leads. I'm like I want to know the human condition, I want to experience something with somebody. But if I find that, hey, you have like five things you're talking about, how can we bring that together? I can help you. And the funny thing is this person I interviewed a couple hours ago we have another appointment on the calendar and we don't know why it's there. We go well, why is the 21st on there? And I said so, do you want to use that? We can connect because we already started to talk about it. And I go dang, that calendar is cool.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, I always. I always schedule personal time. Like there are Tuesdays I don't talk to anybody, right, like Tuesdays are my day, especially because I'm a mom, and on the weekends are my children's time, like you know, basketball games, water polo, all of those different things that you don't get any personal time. So I really feel like it's important for us, whatever day works for you, or if it's just a you know certain hour of the day, to take time to re-energize and to heal. And if you don't do that, then you're just running, you're running on no energy, right? So you're actually going into energy depletion, going into the negative. There's a speaker who talks about that. But if you're in the negative on your energy, you're never going to be your best self.

Speaker 2:

Oh, my gosh, barbie. Can we talk about that? I know we're getting close to the end here, but you know I'm I feel like we're speaking about alignment. If I'm depleted and this is what I've been discovering and I want to partner with you on this thing is alignment. I have so much energy, everything flows. I can be doing 10-hour days, but it's like I get more and more energy as the day goes, because the alignment of what I'm doing, I go okay, that was a good day. Why, why did I have that energy that day? And I think of it that way. So if I feel depleted, I go back to okay, what's happening. Where's there not alignment? And I look in health too and I go okay, so you have an asset reflex. Let's talk about that. Where's that? Do you know what I mean? I kind of like map things out on, not how many hours I am working or somebody is working and why they're exhausted.

Speaker 1:

It gets more into alignment to me and I think, like it's I don't know about you, but there will be people that I dread, right. So like I'm like, oh, I scheduled a lunch and then like I shouldn't have scheduled a lunch with that person because I really don't enjoy our time together and so I've been eliminating those. If I look at the calendar and you're on my calendar and I'm dreading hanging out with you or dreading talking to you or even dreading coaching you, right, I have to take you out of my energy because you are sucking my energy away and there's only you know I need to protect my space and if I'm dreading you, there's obviously not an alignment. It means other people might be aligned with you, but maybe I'm not, and that's okay.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I think of frequency. You know we were talking about all this spiritual stuff and when you start pulling people away, you know it's just kind of like you just end up meeting people like Barbie. I thought that we're supposed to be together and I get curious because then that means I'm in the right alignment If I keep working on my heart, I keep doing my morning work, I just hands off. Let's trust in the divine that everything is good, and that means Barbara needs to be in my life for this interview, or there might be something in the future, and I don't have to make it up, it's just. Let's just keep being curious, yeah, and.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to be able to block you, People that block you.

Speaker 2:

They really mess you up. You know what I was like.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and you can feel it. You can feel it draining you right? Same thing with activities. Like if you're putting activities on your calendar and you're dreading them, either you need to look at like why am I dreading them or is there something that's not aligned with me? But I am going to be on your podcast, so can you tell us a little bit about your podcast so that it can kind of introduce people to your podcast what you talk about, and then they can check out your podcast? Barbie.

Speaker 2:

I thought I was going to act like a seven year old and do this. Yay, yay, I get that out. Okay, so mine is called fresh talks global vision. I've been doing this kind of stuff for about eight years. I used to travel with people and have you know, uh, videographers and do all these things, and so I love playing. As you see, the way I'm dressed I love. Dressing like this just makes me feel so fun and just playful, and that's kind of what the show is about. It's a way to say hey, you can be whoever you want.

Speaker 2:

I call it hashtag speaker, locking arms that you're going to be on the show. We get to lock arms and express what you are doing with your clients and what you're doing even within your own camp yourself, because how, if you saw people do that in a trajectory, how could that change the human experience? And I like to talk about this like that, that vision, because what we're doing here, if we take a step back, as I think about this show, we're really bringing in mindset, transformation, entertainment, and that's what I want. I want you to come and play and just be yourself and experience what you want to experience, and I will be there just guiding and listening and making sure that we get into like locking arms.

Speaker 2:

And my thing is about stopping the blaming and shaming, which means allow yourself to be yourself. Allow and this is another thing I had to learn to stop having control over somebody. Having a husband for 27 years that he would say something I'd be like you know, and I just get into all these things. I go, can't wait. That is control. It's me being irritated no, that's not irritation, even though people call it that. And so the show is about, if we keep playing all in alignment, that we're going to find even the closest people we have to us that we're going to find even the closest people we have to us, that we're going to be able to be all as one so we can make a bigger trajectory out there. That's really what the show is about, did I? It sounds kind of grayish and playish, but no, I love it.

Speaker 1:

And the blaming and the shaming all that does is keep you stuck right. It just keeps you stuck, like blaming other people. Look, everybody has their experiences. They do what they do for a reason, whether it's survival, self-protection, whatever the case but you are ultimately in charge of your own life, right? I mean, obviously you want to trust in something that's a higher power, in my opinion, but you're in charge of your life. So to blame other people or to shame yourself for decisions that you made in the past when you didn't know better Maya Angelou when we know better, we do better right? Love her, and so I think that that's such an important topic and I look forward to people being able to go to your podcasts and listen to your previous people, and obviously would love them to listen to me, but I am sure that you have a vast history of amazing conversations. Can you tell us how people can get ahold of you or if they're more interested in what you do? Do you have a website? Do you have a YouTube channel?

Speaker 2:

I do have all of that. You could go to my Rhonda Liebig, oh, my tree. So you can go to my tree and find different things. So it's my name, ronda liebig l-i-e-b-i-g-l-c-e there dot com forward slash tree. Okay, and on there you can find out about my fun little ronda lumoxi show, which is free, but just monday kicking it off for the week to the show, to free events, I have to those kinds of things, and you can just kind of check out what you want to come and play with me with yes Love that and I'm going to include.

Speaker 1:

I checked out your Instagram and your Tik TOK. You have like over 10,000 people. I'm like how the heck did you do?

Speaker 2:

that it's just it's constant playing and like literally locking arms with people in and, and social media is about friendships and you know, like you're just playing in your communities to make sure, like community meaning. I follow a few people and I make sure that I'm talking with them because I know their love bugs and they're in alignment. So that's what it's about. It's not but comparison, all those kinds of things that can kind of be negative. People are afraid to promote and do those things. But yeah, that's. I think that's how we keep growing.

Speaker 1:

I love that you love love. Oh, like silly thing to say, but really like I love that you love love. Love is it's everything Self-love, love for every you know, understanding, compassion, empathy, love.

Speaker 2:

When I started making that change in the love area my brain because of being quiet and learning about myself and how this was like a natural thing, but it was just kind of covered up that I heard my brain say you are lying, you're a fool, nobody really cares about love because in the past that's why I closed it. But also to start loving on things, it looks kind of phony if you haven't done it, and it can look phony because it's uncomfortable at first. But I just kept feeling, no, this is what makes me feel safe. That's all I kept thinking about. So how could love make me feel safe? Is because intuitively, I could hear who was in front of me or what group I was in, and that was better than closing off and trying to get scared in the brain like everybody's doing this or looking at me this way. Scared in the brain like everybody's doing this or looking at me this way, whatever that is.

Speaker 1:

So love is the safest place and it's not taught enough. It's not taught in schools, it's not taught in the workplace. It's actually looked down upon if you're too you know lovey-dovey or too connected to people because they almost I feel like some people just simply can't accept it, so they're almost turned off by it because they haven't learned how to accept love and how to receive love.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if I would be able to receive somebody like me. You know, at 29 years old I would have been now you crazy old lady, right Like it doesn't matter what your age is.

Speaker 2:

I got to. So, phony, but that's what I love about it is that you just keep moving forward. It's okay. What people think, yeah, it's okay, that's all right. You know, cause I've been there and I've done other things, like what you said. Just forgive yourself. And the more you forgive yourself, the more you expand, because you'll do foolish things. I mean you're like, oh yeah, that was foolish. Or you'll be mean for a moment. You go yeah, that was mean. No, don't do that again. Let's have a conversation with so and so, because that was okay, you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we're always learning and growing well. I appreciate having you on the show. I will put all of your links in the description and I look forward to being on your show as well.

Speaker 2:

I can't wait to play some more Barbie. Thank you, I appreciate the time here and being silly but really being grounded in the stuff we talked about, because I enjoy play. But you know, the good stuff behind all that is that we had a good conversation.

Speaker 1:

I appreciate it, I agree and I think that anybody that is able to be coached by you is very well taken care of.

Speaker 2:

My heart just is it.

Speaker 1:

Woo. All right, rhonda. Thank you.

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