From Wounds to Wisdom (Previously the Mental-Hell Podcast)
Welcome to From Wounds to Wisdom—the podcast where we turn life’s toughest lessons into our greatest strengths. Here, we dive deep into mental health, personal growth, and the messy, beautiful journey of healing. Whether you’re seeking a fresh perspective, a little humor, or just a safe space to feel seen, you’re in the right place. Let’s navigate the hard stuff together and uncover the wisdom waiting on the other side. Ready to get started? Let’s dive in.
From Wounds to Wisdom (Previously the Mental-Hell Podcast)
Breaking Free: From Emotional Scarcity to Abundant Love
What happens when you spend your entire life feeling like you're not good enough? Sharon Vedano knows this journey all too well. Growing up under the weight of strict Korean-Filipino parents who prioritized academic excellence above all else, Sharon internalized messages of unworthiness that followed her into adulthood.
When the first boy showed interest in her during college, she clung to the relationship despite red flags, eventually marrying him and spending 17 years in a partnership where she felt consistently undervalued. After divorcing the same man twice, Sharon began her remarkable journey of self-discovery and transformation.
The turning point came when Sharon decided to challenge the limiting beliefs that had controlled her life. Through a practice she calls "notice what you're noticing," she began confronting negative thought patterns—even having full arguments with herself in the aisles of Hobby Lobby to reprogram her relationship with money and self-worth. This inner work transformed every aspect of her life, leading her from a successful career as a defense attorney to becoming a transformational coach dedicated to helping others recognize their inherent value.
Most powerfully, Sharon broke generational patterns by creating an entirely different relationship with her children than she experienced growing up. Instead of judgment and high expectations, she built a foundation of unconditional acceptance that her son recently thanked her for over breakfast: "Mom, I'm so grateful I can talk to you about anything."
Now happily remarried in a relationship she once thought "only existed in Hallmark movies," Sharon helps others recognize that they deserve love, success, and fulfillment. Her story proves that with commitment and the right tools, we can rewrite the narratives that have limited us and step into lives of authentic joy and purpose.
Ready to transform your relationship with yourself? Connect with Sharon through her website or join one of her free workshops to learn practical tools for building unshakable self-worth.
Sharon@SharonNVidano.com
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Season 2
Unraveling the Mind: From Mental Struggles to Inner Strength.
off love which ultimately grew from her connection to spirit. So welcome, Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. When we met we we were talking about various different things. I had just done a speech myself on trauma and all of those different things and trying to be bold and making changes and you shared with me your story. So can you just kind of get us started with the origins of your story?
Speaker 2:Yes, so I am a second generation Korean Filipino, only child of my immigrant parents and with all the traditions of Korean Filipino culture they were. They were very strict on academics and socials. Basically going out, I wasn't really able to go out. I wasn't really able to hang out with friends, I wasn't allowed to date, especially while I was in school and I had all of the I guess, the strictness of academics. So I remember one time I came home with a B plus and I got chewed out by my dad where he said that the B plus was way too close to an A minus, so that you know, times 1000.
Speaker 2:Over my whole childhood I started to hear from my parents that whatever I did I was not good enough. So carried that along through my young adult years. Here I am now because I don't have the ability or the knowledge of how to hang out with friends, how to meet boys, how to talk to them, anything like that. So I didn't have a lot of suitors coming after me and I didn't know how to talk to boys. So when the first boy showed me any attention in college I thought, oh wow, you know he likes me and you know part of me was like oh well, I got to make this work because I don't know if there's another boy that's going to come around.
Speaker 2:No, don't get me wrong. You know I did like him, he cared for me and ultimately we dated for about seven years and we ultimately got married. But hindsight is always 2020, which we always realize and the marriage was rocky from the beginning and the relationship was rocky for the beginning. But I didn't know any better. I always wanted to make it work. So as I continued to make it work, as it was very rocky, I started to realize, oh, you know what I feel alone in this marriage. He was a great provider, but as a provider, I felt he wasn't emotionally present for me and, ultimately, to my children as well.
Speaker 2:So we went through therapy on and off over the over the 17 years that we were together on and off and went to therapy and stuff, and at some point the therapist had indicated that he had he appeared to have some narcissistic traits. So throughout the marriage and relationship I started to hear the message that I was not worthy of his time and money. So now couple that with for my parents, where I'm not good enough, so I carry that with me for a very long time, yeah we step back.
Speaker 1:So I know your parents gave you the indication or the feeling that you were not good enough. Have you? Have you forgiven them?
Speaker 2:Yes. So through all my work learning about just in my journey about growth and self love, I started to realize that my parents were basically they were doing their best at the time. They I know they love me, so I never doubted that they loved me, but I knew that now I know that they were just doing their best. They, they were doing what they thought that that all they knew really. I just want to add to that story too when I left my parents' house, I ran away at 19 because they were so strict, and I was estranged from my parents my dad for about 10 years and then estranged from my mom for about three. So so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Asian culture in general is very strict, yes, yes, especially when it comes to grades and what. What is the belief as to a woman's worth in in your culture?
Speaker 2:Um, I think typically it's um, very much just, kind of just, you're there, you serve and you're quiet, so you really don't have a voice. I remember going to a when I was in my young adult years as a, as a college student, I went to a young adult group. We attended a Korean, korean language church service and my dad started to become part of that community and we went to several of their events and I was really noticing the differences between their culture and American culture and, and I'm sure they honor their wives in their way, you know. But it was very, very, very shocking to me and the very traditional culture. The men would sit at the dining table while the women and children were in another room during this party and they were in another room sitting at the low tables on the ground and whenever the men needed something, the women would get up and serve the men. Yeah, which, and that's traditional, but it was, it was a. It was a shock to me.
Speaker 1:And even in like America, you kind of still see that going on right, Like, even even as it evolved um, supposedly um country, I still will get up and, you know, do more than my husband would as far as like serving and stuff like that. So I think, even if it's not a cultural thing, it's just something, that it's a societal thing, that women are taught to serve and be quiet and just kind of that's. That's half of the problem, right, we don't get to actually say what we feel because we need to just serve and take care of others, including children.
Speaker 2:Right, right. And I and I, and I understand that you know there's differences between masculine energy and feminine energy, and women have that natural energy of of being the nurturers and the servant heart and and the men are the men tend to be the task oriented, you know, get things done. And I understand that. I think that the that I guess the art is balancing that within a relationship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so the the not being good enough or not being worthy or whatever the case may be, and then finding somebody who showed you just a little bit of attention. You think that is what brought you. Basically, you felt like nobody else would be interested in you, and then the attention probably felt good. Right, I would imagine.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I remember being, you know, not that girl where the boys would give attention to you. I remember I was having girlfriends where you know the boys would ask them out and show them attention and flirt with them and I always felt like I had, you know, like I will get the second look almost.
Speaker 1:So, and narcissists tend to be drawn to the person who doesn't feel worthy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I start to realize that and I as the relationship went further along, and then I started to say you know what I? I think I, I want more than this. I found myself one day saying I think it would be okay if I was in a marriage where we were just friends. And I noticed that thought and I thought you know, no, I really do want more than that. And then that was, I think, the beginning of me starting my steps to really just end the marriage.
Speaker 1:At that point Was there a turning point, was there one moment that just shifted everything?
Speaker 2:I think it was. No, not really. I think it's. You know, everyone says every every now and then friends will say, well, was there infidelity? Where is this? There really wasn't. Like I said, he was a good provider and it was just like what did they say? Cut a death, death by 10,000 cuts, or something like that. I don't know what the saying is, something like that. I'm sure I messed that up. So, um, but it it. You know, it's just 10,000 little things, that it's just like little cuts. Saying, you know that I don't think you're worth my time, I don't think you're worth my money I, you know, not being thoughtful, and I not that I'm materialistic or anything like that, but I, I, you know, I want to be cherished, you know.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and so he would actually say you're not worth my time.
Speaker 2:No, no, I never. Yes, yes, so just to be, just to be transparent, he never said those words. It was actually he probably said he loved me almost every day, you know, but the actions were, were very different.
Speaker 1:So what actions did you feel like showed you that?
Speaker 2:Just like when we would go when we. I remember one time we needed an appliance in the house and I said you know what I would? I would love for us to have this, this one appliance. I think it was an oven at the time.
Speaker 2:Oh no it was a garbage disposal at the time, oh no, garbage compactor, that's it. And then he's like, oh no, we don't, we don't need that Because it is, you know, it doesn't take a lot, it doesn't take a lot of trash, or whatever his reasons were, and it was, for example, six hundred dollars, whatever it was. And then no, no, we don't need that. But then all of a sudden he said oh, but here's an ice maker, we could really use that you know, and it was the exact amount six hundred dollars.
Speaker 2:But you know it was, it was a no brainer. You know if that was something that he wanted versus something that I said that I would love for our house. So examples like that you know 10,000 times over.
Speaker 1:So yeah, just just counting what your needs and wants are yeah.
Speaker 2:What did your parents think when you got divorced? They, uh, we were divorced twice. So long story, yeah. So we were divorced twice. The first time I really didn't tell anyone. I didn't tell anyone in my family. So first my dad was estranged from myself, so we didn't talk for 10 years and at the time I was speaking with my mom so. But I didn't tell my mom or anyone on my mom's side, because I knew that would be kind of like he would be dead to them if we were to ever reconcile at that point. So, um, so they never really knew so what?
Speaker 1:made you go back to him if you were already divorced.
Speaker 2:I had. At the time I had a. I think he was a six and a three-year-old, so in my mind it was like a no brainer. If I can save my marriage and do everything I can to to save this marriage for the sake of my kids, I would.
Speaker 1:What made you get divorced the first time?
Speaker 2:He asked for the divorce, the first time.
Speaker 1:Oh, what was his reasoning?
Speaker 2:That this was not the life for him. You know, he felt too constrained in that life, so that was not the life for him. So how did that feel? Well, you know, it added to my stories that I was telling myself so.
Speaker 2:But then at that point I started taking massive action I took, I went to therapy, I started reading all kinds of books, I started really doing my work on myself. And then I went back to work, because I was fortunate enough to be home when the babies were little, for a little bit each time, and I went back to work and I really just started really working on myself. And then I was growing my self-worth at that point. So, but at that point, after the divorce was final, that's when he, I guess he realized, oh, you know what I really messed up with my family and I insisted on he go with me to couples therapy. So we did, we did for about a year so, and he worked, we worked really hard and he really did work really hard to make sure that we were a priority. And then so we remarried and after about probably about three or four years, it just it started to slowly go back to the way it was.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, kind of like the honeymoon period all over again and then, and then it goes back to we go back to our old habits. What's his history like, was he? What was his childhood like?
Speaker 2:He his parent. Both of his parents were teachers. They were divorced. So they were separated for a very long time and then they were divorced. I think when we were in college they actually got the divorce. That was final. So they've been as long as I knew them. They were separate, but he wasn't, for the most part, an only child because he had an older half sister that was about, I think, 18 years older.
Speaker 1:Okay, so he that. That was kind of my wonder if he was an only child, because sometimes that obviously shapes the personality itself as well. Yeah, yeah, it's harder for them to share.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little bit, although I think I'm very different. Maybe, it's because of my struggles. Yeah that I became very different.
Speaker 1:I don't know everyone says that I don't appear to have the only child personality. So you're an only child, so you're basically. Your whole family's legacy was placed on you. Yeah, yeah, talk to me about being a defense attorney. Why that?
Speaker 2:So I went into law school, kind of like a default. I actually went into a business degree in college and I realized I didn't like business at all. So the only class I really enjoyed was the pre law class. So the business pre law class. So I did pre law and I love that. So I decided I'm going to go be a lawyer. And then I said, well, what field am I going to do? And I started doing all kinds of internships and then in the end I liked being in the courtroom because it was very exciting compared to civil law where you're sitting behind a desk 90% of the time and I didn't like that.
Speaker 2:I actually clerked for the prosecutor side as well as defense side. I actually clerked for the prosecutor side as well as defense side. I found the defense side more enlightening, I think. So in the end I felt that it was very important to defend the Constitution for everyone. You know, sometimes if you think that this guy is a scumbag, you know, and you want to hang him because he did, you know, x, y, z, then you can't make an exception for that guy because we're making an exception for you and I and you know you got to protect it for all. So in the end, I was basically protecting the constitution, protecting my clients, making sure the evidence was if it was obtained, you know, accurately, legally, making sure witnesses actually saw what they thought they saw, you know, and then I mean, of course, I defended them. It was in many times it's not exactly what it is portrayed to be. So it was interesting.
Speaker 1:So tell me how you went from your wounds to wisdom.
Speaker 2:So I had some really stressful times at work and being at work, I started to get very angry and resentful. So, as I was being very resentful, I didn't like feeling angry and resentful every time I went to work. So I said I'm I'm actually tired of that. So something in me just said you know what, let's, let's choose a different thought when we're dealing with certain situations at work. And then I started listening to different podcasts and different writing, all kinds of books, and then I started to really lean into law of attraction and all the different universal laws, which I think I was always doing my whole life. But this was really the catalyst to my journey of my becoming of who I am today and after my divorce I think I was about two years I didn't date anyone. I said, you know, I'm just going to be me for a while. And then I started the online dating thing. That's quite a jungle.
Speaker 1:Not as fun. Talk about meeting narcissists.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, yes, and then I actually ran into. I was watching a lot of podcasts and then and stuff on YouTube, and then this one coach really caught my attention. We really resonated with me, so I started doing like his little courses here and there, and as I continue to do his little course, I said this is, this is really good stuff, and a lot of it was really rooted in learning to grow your self-worth, really getting into the energy of the idea of yourself being in that ideal relationship that you would love to be in. And so I took the course. I loved it so and and it really it really brought down all these principles that I think I've been living my whole life, really put it in a structure, put labels to it, so now it's like something I can apply all the time. So, and as I continue to do that, I use those tools. When I started dating and now I met my husband and he's amazing.
Speaker 1:I have met him. He is amazing. Very nice guy, talk to me about being a mother and when. Because the one thing that I have found and maybe you'll agree or disagree is that even though we don't like the way that our parents parented, we catch ourselves parenting the same way because it's how we were taught, right? So even you can try your hardest not to do what they do and then sometimes it's just by default doing exactly what they did that you knew that you shouldn't be doing. Did you experience that?
Speaker 2:I did, but not not to the huge degree of. I didn't adopt everything that my parents taught me. So because I, because they were so strict, I really had no relationship with them other than like a mother father. You know, they were not the type where I could come and say, hey, mom, can I, can I talk with you about something? You know, we were not close like that at all.
Speaker 2:Actually, growing up, especially in my high school years and my college years, I did everything I could to get away from them because I felt everything that I shared and it wasn't even something really really deep. It was like, oh yeah, mom, I'm going out with you. Know, my girlfriend and all cause were a group of. It was a college, it was my girlfriend and like six guys, that was our, that was our crowd in college and we would go to the movies. I mean, like I was so bad, we went to the movies and Denny's, that's all we did, you know, and hang out at someone's house, but I got into so much trouble just for being that and staying out late, like past 12. I'm like, really, I get off work at 1030. How am I, how am I going to be able to hang out with them so?
Speaker 1:a lot of judgment.
Speaker 2:Yes, so there's a lot of judgment. So I made a very conscious decision after I started having children that I was going to be a very different parent. So I made sure to speak to my kids when they were very little, as if they were little people and I would hear them out. But in the end they still have to do what I said. But I but I did hear them out, but in the end they still had to do what I said. So, but I but I did hear them out. And even to this day, um, we have a very, very strong relationship and I just had breakfast with my son this morning. He says you know what, mom, I'm so grateful for you that I have this relationship where I can just come to you and talk to you about anything. There's no judgment, um, just I'm, I'm always here and really there is no judgment. In the end, I just want them safe and happy is really what it is.
Speaker 1:So what's the difference between your current marriage and your previous marriage?
Speaker 2:So this one is Just really like night and day. I remember thinking and I say this to other people I said it's like I didn't know this this kind of marriage could exist.
Speaker 2:You know I thought it only existed in the movies, like in the Hallmark movie or something like that. He is very thoughtful, just really, really thoughtful. Puts me first, puts, you know, puts my boys and his boys. He has three boys also. So there's five boys between us, you know, puts my boys and his boys. He has three boys also. There's five boys between us. He puts our boys, you know, first. We are priority. Complete gentlemen, I had to learn to how to receive that Because I was I always say I was in survival mode because I was. I was a mom, in a sense, I was a dad. I was doing, doing everything I knew. When I was dating, I wanted a partner who was also a doer, so that I wasn't doing, I felt everything you know around the house, around finances, around, like kids, extracurricular anything you know.
Speaker 2:So, um, he really is just an incredible partner, very, very um, attentive, um, and he cooks.
Speaker 1:I didn't. You know, that wasn't one of my boxes. Thank you.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's nice to have somebody share those duties right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you ever feel afraid of telling your ex anything like because maybe you would be judged, or you just didn't feel like you had that kind of relationship versus maybe your relationship now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, coming out of my relationship from him, you know, cause we were together seven years before we actually got married and then we were probably married, another on and off, probably almost another 10 years after that. There was a lot of issues on money. So he, his, his, he had a goal of just really being quite the investor, um, and that was really his. You know, that was his pride and so whenever it came to anything about discussing about household finances, I was, I was afraid you know, and it was just and he provided, but I I felt that the energy wasn't, wasn't, it wasn't.
Speaker 2:It was very obligatory, you know, and it was, he would give, but it was like begrudging, you know so. So I would always feel anxious whenever I had to ask, even if it was just, you know, extra money for household bills or anything like that. So I carried that. You know we call a money paradigm. So I carry that with me in these stories with me. I had to actually rework a lot of that and then I basically realized that you know what I? I am worthy of someone's love and someone wants to be able to take care of me genuinely, and I was now able to receive that. So no, those that carried along with me for a while.
Speaker 1:So what did your ex think when you started doing your transformational work? He doesn't care for it, yeah, so what did that? How did that, like, affect your relationship? Because you did say he went to therapy with you so he was willing to do some stuff. Right, yes, but when we do our transformational work, we basically become a different person. Yes, how did that affect your relationship? And what were? Well, how was his reaction?
Speaker 2:So when I asked for the divorce, he wanted to go back to counseling and I said no, and then he had said, well, but you're not trying if we don't go. And I said, well, I beg to differ, I've been trying for 17 years. So that's what I said. And then, so he, and he was then, you know, trying to court me. You know, now he's being thoughtful with the flowers and the candy and the little things and then I and I asked him to stop and he said why?
Speaker 2:I said because I know it's temporary and it's making me uncomfortable. So he stopped. So our divorce was actually very amicable. It wasn't until I got married where I think he, he, got a little put off by that. So me, I don't, I don't know. I mean I'm sure it's very awkward knowing that your former spouse is marrying someone else. So but yeah, he got, he, it got a little there, a little bit of tension once I got married and you know, I just said you know what that it? From where I am right now in my evolution, I just say Okay, well, you know what that it's okay, I'm going to honor you at your current level awareness and I'll just be over here and that's all you can do, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your favorite, or do you have a favorite tool to teach people?
Speaker 2:Yes, so a lot of it. What I love to teach people is the notice, what you're noticing, really noticing your thoughts, and once you notice that you have a thought that is disempowering to you, just really notice it. Stop that thought, you pause and then you move into an empowering thought which is, you know, basically an affirmation. And, for example, I remember when I was dealing with those money paradigms, I would, I would stop, I would pause and there's like a whole. I had like a whole event at a hobby lobby and an argument in my head by myself and my poor friend didn't know she's shopping in the next aisle.
Speaker 2:I had to excuse myself and browse in another aisle, but I was, I was really repatterning in a hobby lobby, you know, and really you pause and I, I was breathing and I I was saying because the thoughts were you know, you're not worthy of anybody's time and money is what my nasty voice was telling me and I would pause and I would breathe through it and basically I, my empowering thought was, like you know, shut up, you deserve a loving relationship. You know, you deserve a career that you absolutely love. That can, if you, if, when you're making so much impact that you're making a gajillion dollars and and you deserve that and you deserve a loving partner who will love you unconditionally, that can and that can include supporting you and empowering you and supporting you financially as well, you know. So I had to say that empowering thought on the heels of the, the disempowering thought, probably about 10 times in Hobby Lobby Like shut up, yeah, so I'm having this argument in my head in Hobby Lobby, like on the heels of each other.
Speaker 2:Shut up, yeah, so I'm having this argument in my head in Hobby Lobby by myself.
Speaker 1:So I have had many of those myself. Yes, yes, it's a lot of work, you know there's.
Speaker 1:There's a meditation that I love and it basically in the meditation it says your, your mind, is lying to you, right, because it's trying to tell you these stories about yourself, and it's literally lying to you, especially when you're down in the dumps and you're not really feeling good or you're picking on yourself or whatever the case may be. It's literally lying to you and you have to go back and remind yourself the truth. The truth is that you're worthy.
Speaker 1:That's true, yeah yeah, when you had that conversation, had you met your husband yet, oh yeah, we were already married. Oh, and you're already still going through this.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, but that was right at about the heels of, or at the time when I was deciding to retire from my attorney position. So you know, there are some stories now because it's like, okay, you know, as an attorney, you know you, for the most part, have a steady, steady amount of income coming in. You, for the most part, have a steady, steady amount of income coming in. So the thought of even having to ask my husband, ask my husband for $20, you know what I mean. I would have a panic attack you know, so yeah, so I was.
Speaker 2:I had a lot of repatterning to do on that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, cause you were conditioned right. So obviously. And so do people ask you like, why would you go from being what people conceive like a you know, like a prestigious job of an attorney, to a transformational coach? Like do they do you get a lot of questioning on that?
Speaker 2:I do. But what's funny is a lot of the people, my colleagues in the attorney field. They said, oh, good for you.
Speaker 1:And when.
Speaker 2:I go back to visit for like retirement parties or something. They said Look at her, she just looks so alive and happy, you know, so most people understand. And they said you know what that's. So, sharon, anyway, to be that kind of person, that it's, it's natural, yeah.
Speaker 1:What's one thing that you want? To leave this world with people thinking about you Like what, what do you want? Then there's like a you know, random question out of nowhere, right, yeah, but what's your legacy?
Speaker 2:That I, that I made an impact, that I, that, if you know, I, I want everybody to have a memory that, oh my gosh, I'm so grateful that Sharon, you know, did this and if it weren't for Sharon, I was able to move past this. You know that that's what I would love.
Speaker 1:And how do people reach out to you if they want you to help?
Speaker 2:them make an impact on their life. So you can find me at my website, which is wwwsharonnvedanocom, and I have workshops all the time that are free and I give out some. You know the free zoom workshops. I do speaking engagements wherever I can go so that people will listen to me and, yeah, learn some tools in my workshops and then, you know, walk away with that and if you want some more than we can have a conversation, we can have a discovery call.
Speaker 1:And you and your husband do. Before we go, one more thing I love your project. Can you tell us just a little bit about the project that you guys are working on?
Speaker 2:Yes, so because my husband is married to a life coach. One day he dove right in and said you know what I would love to star in my full feature movie. So he has been an actor for a while while he was doing his other job as in a marketing firm, and he said you know what? This is what I would love. So we actually co-wrote, produced a movie and it's already in the can, and so now we are on the final legs of it and we are crowdfunding on this one. It's a beautiful movie called Touch the Movie and it's about a retired police officer who all of a sudden has to take care of his autistic granddaughter and it's the transformation of their relationship between the two of them. It's absolutely beautiful. But yes, we're crowdfunding right now, or just getting out there letting people know about it, just to get us to the finish line, so we can get it out to festivals.
Speaker 1:And can people see some sort of like a trailer or something on that?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I will. I'd be glad to send that to you. So there's like behind the scenes and we call it a sizzle reel just to show the the production quality it's. It's a beautiful movie, so yes I'll get that to you.
Speaker 1:I was very lucky to watch some of that as well and I think that it's good. It's a beautiful thing to offer the world in addition to your coaching, so I would love to add that. So I'll add your, your, all of your information for those listening, as well as information on the trailer for people to watch your sizzle reel, just so they can see. I think that even even watching that for me gave me an understanding of your heart, Because to make that movie and to to write that movie, produce a movie, do all of that with that movie shows where your heart is at. So that's why I wanted to bring it up and mention it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:I appreciate having you on the show and I will, like I said, I'll put everything in the notes so people can reach out to you and hopefully you can help change some more lives.
Speaker 2:Very good. Thank you for having me.
