From Wounds to Wisdom (Previously the Mental-Hell Podcast)

FWTW S3E11 | How Motherhood Revealed the Trauma Jalisa Hardy Tried to Outrun | with Barbie Moreno

• Barbie Moreno • Season 3 • Episode 11

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In this Season 3 ender of the From Wounds to Wisdom Podcast, host Barbie Moreno sits down with Jalisa Hardy, “the golden child”, a licensed minister, author, mother, and advocate whose story shows what healing actually looks like behind the scenes — the messy moments, the breakthroughs, the grief, and the courage.

Jalisa opens up to Barbie Moreno about emotional abandonment, childhood wounds, postpartum struggles, and the long journey toward rebuilding a life filled with intention and self-worth. This conversation is raw, compassionate, and deeply relatable for anyone navigating their own healing.

If you've ever felt lost, overwhelmed, or unsure of how to move forward, this episode will help you feel seen — and remind you that your story is not over.

⭐ Broad Chapter Sections
Opening & Meet Jalisa Hardy
Growing Up in Chaos & Early Childhood Wounds
Motherhood, Postpartum Trauma & Emotional Survival
What Healing Actually Looks Like (Not the Instagram Version)
Breaking Cycles & Rebuilding Self-Worth
Learning to Ask for Help & Create Safety
Turning Pain Into Purpose & Final Takeaways


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Website https://jalisahardy.com/
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Free Human Design Chart by Jalisa: https://jalisahardy.com/page/human-design-body-graph 

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Season 2
Unraveling the Mind: From Mental Struggles to Inner Strength.

SPEAKER_00:

Some stories remind you of just how powerful a woman's intuition truly is. And today's guest is living proof. Jalisa Hardy turns obstacles into purpose, pain into service, and now empowers women to reclaim their inner wisdom. Her journey will inspire you. Let's dive in.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, I tested positive for having Down syndrome. And then six months into her pregnancy, they did the anatomy scan. They said, We're sorry to give you more bad news, but your baby's gonna be born without a stomach, and her esophagus and her windpipe will be fused together.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. They have these numbers, but they're just guessing, and then it changes women's lives forever, one way or the other.

SPEAKER_01:

I've never felt so seen, I've never felt so understood.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to From Wounds to Wisdom. This is your host, Barbie Moreno, and we have Jalisa here with us today. Thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, hi, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I uh really enjoyed our conversation prior to um us talking today for this um podcast. And one thing that you told me that I found very interesting was when you were in the womb, your mother was told certain things which you can tell us, but I find that this happens quite often. So I really want to talk about it because I feel like the decisions that your mom had to make and all of that different stuff um is different than a lot of women feel pressured to do. So, would you give us a background on your beginning?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. So at the time I was conceived, my parents were actually in the process of getting ready to get a divorce. Um, you know, but being grown married adults, they were still doing what grown married adults do. And out came me from that union. Um and my mom had already had a history of fertility challenges. Um, so she had two miscarriages before me and then one after me. And with my sister, who she had three years before, she wasn't able to carry to full term. So my sister was born at four pounds, four ounces. So with her history, they already were kind of bracing themselves for challenges with the pregnancy. And six, four months into her pregnancy, um, you know, they do all the genetic testing and they discovered that I would um I tested positive for having Down syndrome. And then six months into her pregnancy, they did the anatomy scan and they said, we're sorry to give you more bad news, but your baby's gonna be born without a stomach, and her esophagus and her windpipe will be fused together. And if your baby is to have any chance at life, at having any quality of life, she's gonna need multiple surgeries. Um, if you're even able to make it to full term. And with that news, my mom being a woman of faith, she decided she says, Yes, I see the test results. I've heard your recommendations. One of the nurses actually recommended the best option for her would be to terminate the pregnancy. And she said, I hear your recommendations, I hear, you know, everything that you're saying, I see the test results, but I'm believing for a different outcome. And with that, she decided that she will go to a revival and let them know what was going on, have them pray over her. And she said, the only thing that she remembers is feeling like she was being lifted off of her feet and that God was pouring gold into her stomach. And when she went back to the doctor, they couldn't find anything wrong with me.

SPEAKER_00:

Just from uh do you know how long it was from when she um went to the revival and went to the doctor?

SPEAKER_01:

I'm not sure. And I don't think she even knows either. She might, but I you always ask the detailed questions. It's your story.

SPEAKER_00:

You need to know your details. The before we continue with your story, because there you've done some amazing things in life, but um, so when I was pregnant with my, I believe it was my son, I have two children. Um, they did the same thing. So I had I was considered a high risk pregnancy because I was 34. That's a big deal. Um, so you know, they like to do all those stupid tests and stuff like that, which I think are more intrusive than anything else. And they said because of my genetic history, my husband's genetic history, some one of the tests came out, like that. I think they said my son was gonna have some some disease. I don't remember what it was, some some sort of illness and um deformation. And then it was interesting because they double checked my uh and then they're like, Oh, okay, yeah, no, no, that was a mistake. And I was like, Are you kidding me? Like, because they had me as like Hispanic and I'm not, um, I'm Spanish, my father's from Portugal, his family's from the Portugal, and so the difference between being Hispanic and or Latino, it was Latino and um Portuguese changed the results of this test after they had already said XYZ was gonna be wrong with my son. And um, I thought to myself, like, such a crazy thing to tell somebody when you have no idea if that's true or not, just because you ran some numbers and the same thing, they were like, Well, if you continue, I think it was 10 weeks or something, if you continue with this, this, you know, these are your options, prior to even like rechecking this information. And I think that that happens to quite a few women who have found that the information that they were given was not accurate and their babies were born. Now they didn't have the the severe things that they were telling you and the things that they see on the ultrasound, and the mother didn't go to like a revival, but they still made decisions based on what the doctor said, and some of those women have chosen to terminate and have tremendous guilt because we really don't know if what they're saying is true, they're just guessing, right? They have these numbers, but they're just guessing, and then it changes women's lives forever, one way or the other. And can you imagine then you like almost have a terminated pregnancy and then your baby comes out just fine, anyways?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's so unfortunate, and that's one of the reasons why I've become a I became a doula because I have some similar experiences with my pregnancies where they're basically trying to say, Oh, your baby's gonna be too big, you're gonna need a C-section, these types of things that women experience every single day. And you know, it's not always the case. My baby, my baby was six pounds, 12 ounces. I'm like, you were telling me my baby was gonna be 10 pounds.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I don't understand being that they do this all day long, how many mistakes that they make. Have you ever seen that? There's like a series on Netflix, it's called like Call of the Midwives. Have you ever seen that? No, as a doula, you might like it. It talks about how in a specific area in Europe they still had midwives, and so similar to like a doula, right? So the women were very connected with their patients, their women that were pregnant, and they had this beautiful connection. Then as time went on, they became more and more um, you know, where they were trying to get people to go to the hospital versus having home births, and the difference between the connection with the person who was delivering the baby when it was like with the midwives, which I'm assuming you feel the same way as Adula, when it was with the midwives, they had a bond, they trusted them. Everything was very personal. And then as they moved towards hospital births, it was very sterile. You know, people didn't give them their baby right away. They gave them advice like, oh, you have to have a C-section instead of just maybe shifting the baby around or whatever the case may be. I think that um we've come so far away from the natural ability of women to give birth. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_01:

It has been very much made into it's about patriarchy, it's about capitalism, it's about the money. How quickly we then get women in and out is what has been done in hospital settings. I've actually been reading about the history of that transition from midwives to um the practice of OBGYNs. And there are still some very deep-rooted beliefs and practices that have come out of the history of it. But it definitely is one of the reasons why I do the work that I do because we have so much innate wisdom and power as individuals, as women, to know what we need, to know what our bodies need. And especially when we're pregnant, it's just the intuition, all of that is heightened because it's we're not just taking care of us, but we've been conditioned away from knowing what our bodies want, what our babies need, what we're capable of when it comes to delivering babies. It's like, no, you need all of these interventions, you need all of this, we need to be monitoring. When in some cases, yes, it's helpful, but in most cases, it's really just the doctor's comfort, not for the comfort of the mother and the baby.

SPEAKER_00:

I agree with that. And I'd like to just touch on a few of those topics. One, the patriarchy, though that show, it was so interesting. These women do all of this work, and yet the male doctor is still considered the all-knowing. And, you know, and they celebrate these beautiful births and the midwives and all of these various different things, but they always turn to the male doctor for the external validation of what needs to be done, and you know, and all of these different things, even though, as women, we're born very intuitive. And so the mother giving birth is intuitive, but the woman servicing the mother is also intuitive and knows what is needed at the time. And we shut down our intuition because we're told that's not true, you guys are crazy, whatever the case may be. And then, as far as the money thing about it, it's like they say there's like a restaurant saying that like you turn the tables, right? You get them in and out as quick as possible. And so, what should be a beautiful moment is exactly that it's a way for them to make money. And by the way, those that don't know this, a cesarean makes significantly more money for them, the hospital, the doctors, than a natural birth. And so they actually push people, specifically people of color, towards cesareans versus natural birth.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep. And that is the underlying the underlying issues in the system because a lot of women, specifically women of color, get pushed into the C-sections and then they're left without being taken care of, or if they say, Oh, something's I feel right or something's wrong, they're pretty much ignored. And that's when you know the maternal death rates are increasing because things are not being done the way that they should be in hospitals. You literally just cut through seven layers in my stomach in 24 to 48 hours. You're like, oh, you're good to go home, you and baby.

SPEAKER_00:

As a dualist perspective, and from what you know in your work and in your life, I want to know what you feel like you've learned is the traditional time it takes a female, a mother, to heal from the birth. Because I've heard various different things, like doctors will say, Oh, you know, six weeks. And then I've heard it really takes two years to heal from the birth. And then, so that's traditional regular, you know, um, vaginal birth. And then you have a cesarean birth. So, what's one of the difference between the two healing times? And then what it what do you feel like from what you've experienced is the true time frame?

SPEAKER_01:

So I had the way that I had my kids, I had them literally back to back before everything even healed. I went to my six-week appointment pregnant with my second. So I didn't even have the time to even give my body a chance to heal. But from my sister, she had two um cesarean sections, she's next door, watching her process of healing and mine, all three of mine vaginally. It was a complete difference. One, because that was a major surgery she had. And then she had hers similarly, hers was about six months after her first, um, when she got pregnant with her second. But all in all, it takes longer, way within six weeks for a woman's body to heal. It just depends on one, what you're doing, the support that you have, because if you're doing everything on your own, you don't have support, you're not able to sit down and get rest. Being a single mom, it it's a completely different experience. Your body doesn't have the time to really rest, recover, and heal. And that's why postpartum doors are so important because you have that additional support, that additional um care for you and baby and for your partner in that case, because they they their own experiences with welcoming the child into the family. So having that additional support gives you the opportunity to give your body and your yourself time to heal that you wouldn't get otherwise, having to go back to work at six weeks or eight weeks if you have a C-section, and that is not enough time. You've literally carried a child for nine to ten months or less. Sometimes if you give birth sooner, but to say uh your body has completely shifted and changed, your hormones and everything has shifted, your organs and everything has shifted. You have a hole the size of a plate in your body. Oh, after six weeks, go ahead and go back to work, you're fine. Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00:

And that's about money too, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And so instead of honoring the experience and the beauty and the the it are children too, right? So it hurts the children's growth, it hurts their connection. They they're just shipped off to daycare so that a stranger can raise them. So even beyond the money, which is why they want women to go back so early, is so they can continue to work and produce and consume, but beyond all those different things, the repercussion for the baby to be taken care of by a stranger and not get the connection from the mother is traumatic.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep. But because again, those systems that they have in place, okay, the sooner you can get your child into daycare, okay, the sooner sooner they'll be conditioned to the system of going into the school system so that you can continue to work and produce money for the system. Yeah, it's more about money than the family, then the then for the parents, what's best for the child, it's about consumerism and capitalism being continued.

SPEAKER_00:

It and this weren't created or designed for women in the United States, because there are places where women get a year or two years off, or sometimes they get support for the rest of their life, right? Um they yeah, they get paid time off. It's it's particularly our country in the United States that just wants you to get back to work so that you can continue to make money, put your money into the system, employ other people so they can make money and they can consume and they can spend their money. And so our country, I believe, is one of the worst countries for women in many ways, but particularly when it comes to maternity leave.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely, I completely agree. I couldn't, I couldn't disagree if I tried, because you'll you'll I've had conversation with people that even had hospital births in different countries, and they're like, it's nothing like it is in the United States.

SPEAKER_00:

They often get like two weeks, right? That they stay.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. And they're taken care of, even the delivery process, the labor and delivery process is completely different.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

How warm and how patient they are, how mother-driven they are. They're focused on okay, what does the mom need? What is best for her, not what's best for the hospital or the facility.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. I remember when I had my son, this isn't so this subject was clear, it's near and dear to my heart because there's a ridiculous amount of experiences I can talk about from this system. But when I had my son, um, you know, they didn't tell me that when a baby is firstborn, they actually lose a few ounces. And when I had my son and I went in for my checkup and they weighed him, they were like, Oh, you're not producing enough milk, he's starving. We need to put him on formula. And I was I was devastated. One of me feel like a failure. Nobody told me that it was normal for him to lose a few ounces. They literally said to me, You are starving your baby. We need to put him on formula. And guess what? What does formula cost? Money. And you know what's funny is they happen to have free samples. Oh, yeah, I'm sure that that wasn't sponsored by somebody, right? Do you see that a lot?

SPEAKER_01:

Yep, and I experienced it myself with my third. Um, he's tiny in general, so you know, when he was born, he was born around 13 ounces, but I was going through a lot, and I had already breastfed my first two. So I'm like, this is I'm not gonna have a problem. I produced so much milk with my first, and he was in the NICU for 45 days. They're like, You got too much milk. Like, take it home, please. You got too much milk. So I'm like, the production is not a problem. Yeah, eating is not a problem, him waking up is not a problem. He's just tiny. They literally label him failure to to thrive because they felt he wasn't gaining enough weight and tried to push the formula model to them.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm like, you know, yeah, because you knew, right? The thing is, is that there's not a lot of education on that. It wasn't even until I watched that Netflix show that I learned it takes a while for the milk to come in. Like it doesn't come in the day your baby comes out, it doesn't go, push, I have a bunch of milk in my breast, right? There's a process to it, but we're not told that. So when they're telling me I'm starving my baby, I'm thinking, well, I don't seem to have that much milk. So that's probably true. Not understanding that it takes it takes some time to come in, and they are getting as much as they're supposed to get.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. And they don't need a lot, they were literally in your womb for nine months not eating, nine to ten months not eating. So it's like they're not starving, they're not starving at all, they're getting what they need, and it does take at least three to five days if you've had a vaginal birth that wasn't augmented or um induced. But if you have a c-section, it can take longer.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and that's what I had because of course they like forced me into c-sections because I wasn't dilating fast enough on the first one, and then the second one, if you already had a c-section, you have to have a c-section, even though I didn't want to have a second C-section, yeah, C-section. Yeah, it's insane. Tell me between this whole mess and Adula.

SPEAKER_01:

Adula is there to provide the information, the emotional support, and the physical support for this process and your journey, giving birth, going through pregnancy, delivery postpartum to advocate for you in those cases where for me, learning what I know now as a doula, it's like if I knew this, yeah, my experiences would have been completely different. Because a lot of the things that they they force or they pressure you into, oh, harming your baby, or you know, you're gonna harm your baby if you don't get a C-section, you could die, your baby could die, like all of these fear tactics that they use. A doula can be there to really support you with navigating those experiences and being intuitively guided, to remind you to come back to yourself, to remind you to do the things that you know to do when it comes to your pregnancy and your experience, so that you're not forced into making decisions uninformed. We provide the information so that you know, hey, you know, they're gonna say this, they're gonna say X, Y, Z, but these are your options. And you can actually ask certain questions to them so that they can even kind of rethink what they're doing. Because a lot of times it's oh, this is what they were taught, this is what they've been doing for years, and this is kind of like what they're used to is familiar to them. So anything outside of that is like a threat. So if they come off like very aggressive or snappy because you're kind of going against the norm, then you're prepared for that because you have a doula there with you to advocate for you while you're your you and your partner are there to have a beautiful experience that can sometimes go in a different direction because of the rules, the regulations, the the the patriarchy, all of these things that are placed for years instead of saying, you know what, this isn't what I want. And this is this is how things are gonna go, whether it or not.

SPEAKER_00:

And they, if you question them, they make you feel like stupid, right? Like, well, I know better than you do. I do this all damn day long, you know, and you're just like, oh, like, you know, well, okay, type of thing. Like you said, they use the fear. Is does the hospital or the insurance pay for the doula, or is this coming out of people's pockets?

SPEAKER_01:

In some cases, depending on your insurance, now it's more more widely covered or partially covered by insurance. Um, but a lot of times you do have to pay out of pocket because they don't want doulas in the hospital.

SPEAKER_00:

And so this goes back to I've had this conversation over many different things when it comes to our healthcare system and and our uh our country in general, but only people who have the means get the help. And it irritates me because unless you make money in this country, you cannot good good health care, you cannot get good education. It's people who have the means.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep. And it's unfortunate, but there are organizations and doula's that do provide specific specifically for underserved or um low-income communities. So it depends. And there again, there are some organizations and like Medicare now starting to cover it, but with that, it's not as beneficial for the doula because it's like, okay, your postpartum appointments are they're only charging what$16?

SPEAKER_00:

It's not an ear, it's not a livable wage.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not like I want to help, but I'm literally, you know, doing all of this work. I still have a family to provide for.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's like the the way the system is set up, it's not to be beneficial for the doula. So they're not going to really want to push in that direction to support people on Medicaid.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's like a catch 22, like you say it, for for the people that really want and need the support, they don't have the means to.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And it's usually the people who don't have the means who need the most support. I'd love to learn more about well, one mom was very faith-driven. She prayed for your healing and received it. I know that you are similar to me in the fact that you're a Reiki master, you do energy work. I'm more spiritual than religious. Is there for you a difference between, like, one? I don't know if your mom was spiritual and not religious, or religious and spiritual or whatever, but is did you shift in any way, shape, and form in the energy world, or was that something that you were already accustomed to? Like, what was that for you?

SPEAKER_01:

It was it was a complete shift. Very much religion, very much Baptist church, very much strictly this is what it is. If it's not that, it's demonic. So it definitely took a lot of shifting my beliefs and releasing beliefs because I did have that very dogmatic way of thinking and saying things like oh, that's not the right way or the right thing to do because it's not this specific way of living. And it definitely was like in the very beginning when I first started practicing Reiki, I was actually in the process of becoming a licensed minister.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So it was like I was kind of like, I'm learning over here, but I'm also learning over here, but I had to keep this kind of under wraps.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, of course you did.

SPEAKER_01:

Because if they knew, if the church knew, there would have been a whole other situation. So for me, I felt like I was living a double life as I was exploring and trying to have an understanding for myself when it came to spirituality, when it came to God, and really built my own relationship with God outside of religion. In the beginning, I was very much keeping it under wraps because I didn't want to be ostracized or looked at a certain kind of way by my church. I grew up with.

SPEAKER_00:

And I find like that's so funny because it's so hypocritical, right? Like supposedly God loves everybody equally, but not if XYZ raised me. But then it's interesting because what you say about like the energy work and stuff, I was the same way, right? Like I didn't want people to know that I worked in energy. Like the people who knew knew, but then it was like everybody else, I would never bring it up. And I think it's an oppression of women because back in the day they'd burn us and call us witches simply for being um who we were born to be, which is a natural intuitive healer.

SPEAKER_01:

And a lot of those that mentality is still within the church within different beliefs. Because as people, as women, they don't want us in our full power. Because when we're being intuitively guided, your marketing, your advertising, your programming, all of that stuff is not going to work.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Because I know that I have an individual path, I know that I have an individual calling, so I'm gonna follow that instead of following what you think is the best for my life. They don't want free people.

SPEAKER_00:

You can't sell them stuff. They you lose your com you know, your consumerism, right? Which is so sad. Um, do you feel like there's a shift?

SPEAKER_01:

I actually do. And the more that I design and energy work and astrology, 2027 is gonna be a huge year. The shift has already been happening little by little, but 2027 there's gonna be a huge shift where people go more inward than outward for their direction and for their life path. And it's so important because everybody was born for a specific life path, a specific calling, a specific purpose. And if you don't know that, you're literally throwing off the rest of the world because we're all connected. So if you're not walking your path and your calling, you're impacting someone else that is that was supposed to meet you on your life's journey on that life path. Intuitively guided we can be, the more in tune we can be with who we were truly created to be versus this conditioned and programmed version of ourselves, the easier and more peaceful life becomes for everyone.

SPEAKER_00:

Agreed. And in that same breath, because I do believe what you're saying about 2027, also beginning in the end of 2026. But um, the thing that I think it's important for people to understand is it's going to get rough when you want to break down this machine of people just making money on you hand over fist, they are not going to make it easy. It is changing everything. So you will be you know, fear-driven. They will take stuff from you. You will be put into a position where you literally have to choose which way do I want to go? Do I want to be aligned and live in my full power, or am I gonna let them crush me?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and I think it because we have so much, I guess, focus on the external and the outcomes, which is which is really that's a whole nother conversation.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. You need a part two to this, right? Like we can't get it all in one thing.

SPEAKER_01:

But it's like we it can be difficult, but the more that we the inner work, the more that we are intuitively guided and do the healing work to really step into our full power. What they do on the outside, whatever they take, whatever they do, it will not matter because our true being is so much bigger than just our physical body.

SPEAKER_00:

I agree with that. And in the same breath, there are a lot of people who are beginning the process that that's the people I'm talking about that this will be hard for because they haven't yet come to that place to understand who they are. They're not in alignment with themselves quite yet. They would like to be, they're on the journey to be, and then all of a sudden there's gonna be this big test, right? On do you want to go that way or not? I could talk to you all day long. So, what I would love is for people to be able to find you. So tell us how we can find you, and I will put all this stuff in the description.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, my website is Jaleesahardy.com, and I am everywhere at Jaleesa the Golden Child. I am on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and LinkedIn, or at JalisaTheGolden Child. And then again, my website is Jalisahardy.com.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's J-A-L-I-S-A-H-A-R D-Liken David Y. Yep. Perfect. And I always ask for one thing of wisdom that people can take and leave with today that is a tool that is actually usable, that is not going to take them, you know, um, a ridiculous amount of time to implement. What would you give our audience?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I think what we talked about as far as getting your human design chart starting there, even If you know nothing about it, it will give you like I literally had somebody pull up their chart and read just a part of their energy type, and they're like, I've never felt so seen, I've never felt so understood. And again, it just gives you this validation that nothing is wrong with you. Like you were literally designed and created uniquely for the purpose of calling in the position that you feel here on this earth, and there's nothing wrong with you.

SPEAKER_00:

And it'll help you live your divine aligned life, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

So for people to know, I paid like$197 for my report. So the fact that you have reports on there for free is like a big deal. Uh appreciate you. Um absolutely would love to talk to you beyond this, and I think that you will help a lot of people. So thank you for everything you do.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00:

Bye. If this story spoke to you, let's keep the healing going. Visit Barbiemoreno.com for my online course, Awakening Your Worth in Healing Energy Sessions, one on one coaching, and your free healing guide. Your next step is waiting.

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