Dechert 4 Real
Dechert 4 Real is a new podcast from Dechert LLP exploring the latest trends and developments in commercial real estate finance. Join co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Marie Smith every month as they delve into current issues impacting both the legal and business aspects of real estate finance transactions, including lending, securitization and restructuring. Each episode features market commentary and interviews with industry thought leaders, providing listeners with valuable insights and practical advice, plus a little banter along the way.
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Episodes
22 episodes
CMBS Servicing Sitdown With Trimont’s Cindy Barreda and Leslie Hayton
Recording for the first time in Dechert’s Charlotte office, 4 Real’s Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Smith invite Trimont Chief of Staff Cindy Barreda and Senior Managing Director Leslie Hayton to the pod to discuss Trimont’s recent acquisitio...
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41:46
Springing Into Real Estate Debt Funds, EDGAR Next, Corporate Transparency Act Updates and Surprising Sports
Spring is in the air as Dechert 4 Real’s Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert take a fresh look at the world of real estate debt funds with Dechert financial services partner Gerry Brown, discussing market trends, the benefits of evergreen fu...
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Episode 21
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39:21
Top Five CREFC Takeaways and a “Bullishly Measured” 2025 Outlook
Listen to the top five biggest takeaways from the CREFC annual conference in Miami on our first episode of 2025 with Dechert 4 Real Podcast co-host Jon Gaynor and producers Matt Armstrong, Kate Mylod and Stewart McQueen (who also co-chai...
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Episode 20
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35:36
The Download on Data Centers, U.S. Election Ripple Effects and Disney Vacations
Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert sit down with Dechert finance & real estate partner Justin Gdula to discuss the latest trends in data center deals, real estate M&A activity and Canadian CMBS. Plus, Dechert pa...
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Episode 19
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28:39
How Climate Change, AI and Office Challenges Are Impacting CMBS With Erin Stafford From Morningstar DBRS
What is the current state of commercial mortgage-backed security, or CMBS? Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert invite the managing director and head of North American CMBS ratings activity at Morningstar DBR...
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Episode 18
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43:21
Navigating NAV and National Security in Commercial Real Estate with Ani Ravi and Hrishi Hari
Dechert global finance partner Ani Ravi joins Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert for an informative discussion about the relationship between NAV facilities, subscription lines and repo financing, the evolving nature an...
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Episode 17
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37:13
Forecasting Year-End Commercial Real Estate and Driving Forklifts Through the Office
Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by Barclays Head of CMBS Research Lea Overby to discuss commercial real estate trends we can expect in the second half of 2024, floating rate debt risk, lessons learned from...
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Episode 16
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40:38
Rolling into Summer with CREFC Roulette and the Biggest Takeaways from the June Conference
Dechert’s Jon Gaynor, Kate Mylod, Stewart McQueen and Matt Armstrong dive into the biggest conversations coming out of the 2024 CREFC Annual Conference in New York, including return-to-office trends, the “acceptance of reality” in the commercia...
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Episode 15
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42:08
Analyzing Agency CMBS with Leah Nivison and Tipping the Scales on Fish Jokes
Hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert welcome BMO Capital Markets Managing Director Leah Nivison to discuss recent trends in the agency commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS) market, the importance of mentorship in the commercial r...
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Episode 14
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33:31
Putting the Fun in Fund Formation, Climate Disclosure Rule Developments and Springtime Banter
In this episode of Dechert 4 Real, hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by partner Lindsay Trapp, who breaks down the intricacies of the structuring and formation of complex credit private funds, rated feeder and parallel fun...
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Episode 13
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42:46
CRE CLO Delinquencies, Unconstitutional CTA, Single-Family Rental (SFR) Financing and What Happens in Vegas...
What impact do high interest rates and appreciating home values have on single-family rentals? In this episode of our 4 Real podcast, our hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella-Marie Smith and Sam Gilbert join Dechert partner Ken Hackman to discuss the popular...
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Episode 12
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30:18
NPLs and Dolphins, the Proposed Basel III Endgame and Introducing Our Pets
In our latest episode, hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella-Marie Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by Dechert partners Laura Swihart and Matthew Fischer to discuss non-performing loan securitizations (NPLs) and the unexpect...
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Episode 11
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35:54
CREFC Roulette Resolutions, Shaq Quotes and Conference Clichés
In our first episode of 2024, co-host Jon Gaynor and producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod play a round of CREFC Roulette following the Council’s annual January conference in Miami. Topics include ...
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Episode 10
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43:26
4ward Legal Thinking, CRE Industry Updates and Festive Holiday Traditions
In this episode of the Dechert 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith share their predictions on trends and upcoming regulatory changes expected to drive commercial real estate industry developme...
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Episode 9
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33:54
Commercial Real Estate in the UK, Plus the Corporate Transparency Act, Cayman Updates and Halloween Treats
In this episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Smith welcome global finance partner Aparna Sehgal of Dechert’s London office to compare and contrast the CRE market in the UK with that of the U.S. The group also gives updates on the ...
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Episode 8
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35:30
CREFC Capital Markets Conference, Warehouse Facilities and Autumn Favorites
In a special episode, co-host Jon Gaynor joins producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod, and special guest partner Gennady Gorel for another round of CREFC Roulette following the Capital Markets Fall Conference in New York. Genn...
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Episode 7
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42:33
CRE Litigation Trends, Lending Order Disruptions, Article 7 Reporting Updates and Nerdy Beach Reads
In our latest episode, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome Dechert partner Mauricio España to discuss recent trends in CRE litigation, and how clients are more inclined than ever to work towards resolution. The group also...
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38:30
Distressed Debt in CRE: Silver Linings, a War Story From the GFC and the Dog Days of Summer
In our latest episode, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome Dechert partner Laura Ciabarra to discuss distressed debt in CRE, including market trends, some silver linings that may surprise you, and a war story from the GFC...
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Episode 5
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34:06
SEC’s Securitization Conflict of Interest Rule, Cayman Island Updates and Favorite Vacation Spots
In our latest episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor and Ella-Marie Smith welcome Dechert global finance associate, John Ludwig-Eagan, to discuss the SEC’s new Conflict of Interest rule regarding securitizations. The group also debates whether the Cayman...
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27:44
CREFC Roulette: Six Key Themes and Four Cocktails Inspired by the June Conference
In this special episode, our producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod take to the mics alongside Jon Gaynor to recap the Commercial Real Estate Finance Council’s June Conference held in New York City from June 12-14. Topics incl...
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31:51
It’s Easy Being Green: ESG and CPACE Loans, Plus Debt Ceiling Drama
In their second episode, Jonathan Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome fellow Global Finance colleague Jason Rozes to the podcast to share the latest sustainability trends impacting commercial real estate, from a discussion on the e...
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38:40
Crisis Averted: Navigating Recent Bank Closures, Plus LIBOR’s Final Days
In our inaugural episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Marie Smith and our first guest, Dechert New York partner Kathleen Mylod, share their thoughts on the recent bank closures, the related impact on cash management provisions in ...
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