Sabrina Brown : The Truth About Female Hormones, Fasting & Modern Wellness

00:00 Meet Sabrina Brown
03:51 Miami for Family Healing
06:23 London Hustle and Health
07:33 Veganism Downsides
13:35 What Biohacking Means
15:13 Sleep and Screen Hygiene
19:03 Sunlight and Circadian Rhythm
22:49 Advanced Biohacks Tried
26:00 Peptides and GLP-1 Risks
28:16 Women Are Not Small Men
30:04 Protein Breakfast and Carb Cycling
33:21 Body Types and Macros
38:33 Fixing PMS Naturally
40:32 Top Three Biohacks
44:22 Glucose Monitors Debate
51:30 Overhyped Peptides Warning
55:34 Perimenopause and Strength
59:58 Avoiding Biohack Perfectionism
01:00:57 Longevity Full Circle

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome back to the Else R podcast. And today I'm joined by Sabrina Brown. She is a biohacking coach specifically for women. And I want to start the chat by saying five years ago when I was entering the world of Elser R and uh we needed to find some like user-generated content. Sabrina Brown was our very first piece of UGC content. And I'm pretty sure you were in Australia at the time. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Or no, actually, I was in London.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Were you in London? I just must have thought you were Australian because I remember getting this piece of UGC back and I was like, oh wow, where where is she from? I was not expecting this accent to come out at all. And honestly, that well, that's how you met us as a brand. And that was five years ago. And can I just say thank you so much for doing that? And you've been a fabulous supporter ever since.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. Honestly, it's been such a pleasure to see how both of us have grown tremendously over the last five years and to see that journey. It's uh we should be very proud of ourselves, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

I know, but do you ever stop to think about like who you were then?

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Yes, actually, recently I have. And it's it's just it's incredible just to not plan too much, but just keep following your intuition and your passion and take it one step at a time. And that's the way to kind of move things along, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Yeah. I mean, did you ever I mean, tell me a bit about you because your accent sounds American to me, but I know you've lived it all over, quite nomadic. So talk to me about like who you are, where you grew up, etc.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Sure. So I'm Austrian Russian.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Grew up sort of traveling a lot as a child as well. Went to international schools after graduation. I studied acting in New York, lived in Miami for a short time, and then moved to London, where I was an actress and model for around 10 years, I would say. And during the pandemic, I then moved to Bali spontaneously. And I realized that acting wasn't really my passion anymore. And I wanted to do something that I felt very passionate about and that had a deeper purpose. I think COVID really um woke me up in a spiritual way, and uh I was searching for a deeper meaning to my daily life, and it took me some time to really figure out what that would be. But when I did start sharing about mindset about my own personal health journey, it sort of just resonated with a lot of people. And I was so passionate about sharing it, and I think it's interesting because sometimes we think that everyone knows what we know, but actually we're just in a bubble, and people really would benefit from the things that we know, and sharing it kind of showed me that more women are really curious about their bodies and they don't have much information on their bodies, so it was um really life-changing for me to be able to share what I know and share my personal journey and help others.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

I mean, you glossed over a few things then. I was like, okay, you grew up in New York. Uh well, and then you went to move to Miami. So you were an actress in New York. I was studying acting.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Yeah, studying acting in New York, and then you moved to Miami. Yeah, that was about nine months.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

And how old were you when you were in Miami? I was 23. So a 23-year-old, very attractive young girl in Miami, I can imagine, would have been wild.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

You know, that's so funny because yes, it would have been, but actually, I was there for a very different purpose. My sister had just had a liver transplant in New York, and uh we wanted to bring her to a place that wasn't as hectic as New York to recover.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

So my mom and I we went to Miami because uh we've been there before. It's like on the water, it's beautiful. So I was actually homeschooling her and taking care of her. Wow. Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

So it was very so I'm thinking, wow, beautiful actress model, all the rest of it. You can imagine going to Miami, having a bit of a wild time, letting your hair down. Yeah, why not? And look at the answer that just came out. Wow. I can't believe that.

unknown 4:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

And how's your sister now?

SPEAKER_00 4:38

She's good, she's really good. Um, she recovered and she's living her best life. Now, actually helping others um who have gone through similar experiences as her.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Yeah. I mean, that must have been for you, your mom. Wow. To have a liver transplant, that's a serious operation.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

It was very, very serious. I mean, she was sick uh from a very young age, and I think my Instagram name, the positive lady, came from this mindset that has been ingrained to us from my mom. My mom is really one of the main reasons my sister is still alive today, is because she had that mindset of she's gonna get through it, we're gonna get her through it no matter what. She manifested, she healed. You can call it all different types of things, but you know, this type of mindset has really been a big part of where I am today and what I've achieved.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Is she Russian?

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yeah, she's Russian, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

There's differ they're built differently. Soviet women. Yeah. I was speaking to somebody yesterday actually, who she and she was saying the resilience in Soviet kids and Soviet women is unbelievable. So I was like, I can see that. You know, that there it's just innate in you, you gotta get through it.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

That's true, that's true. Yeah, they it can be quite hard, but she she definitely just there was no other answer, but we're gonna get through it. And I think um that really, yeah, just uh that positive mental attitude.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Absolutely. Okay, so you're in Miami for a totally different reason. Um and then you come to London.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

Yeah, I came to London. I started my acting career. I was working, you know, all different kinds of jobs, events, uh hostessing, um at conferences, just doing anything and everything as a young actress to kind of get by and in that and all through this addition auditioning for example.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah, exactly. And not really living a healthy lifestyle because let's be honest, at that age, you're working two, three jobs per day, you're working out every single day. I was obsessed with working out, which was great, but I think it was also too much, you know. Right. Um, and it was, you know, just follow the generic trends that were happening at the time, which was train like a man, eat like a man, just do everything the same as a man.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Yeah. Well, every bit of data we've got is pretty much built on men anyway. So you can see why you did that and thought that, and I'm exactly the same by the way. Um but you were also vegan for seven years. Yeah. How did you find that tough?

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Or did you were you doing it for ethical reasons or so it's a funny story actually how I became vegan because I was always the most carnivore person, and I thought that I was having pains because potentially I was eating too much meat. And I realized after the fact that it was actually the birth control that I was on that was causing me intense, intense aliens, right? Not even pure it wasn't, it was all the time. Right. I had these debilitating cramps sometimes I would have to just lie in bed and I couldn't do anything. And for some reason, I think because there was so much uh brainwashing going around at the time and it was so, you know, trendy to to talk about veganism and and you know, of course, it is a shame that uh we're over mass uh consuming animals in such a way, and there's definitely a better way to go around it, but I genuinely thought that eating meat was the issue, and that's why I stopped eating meat, and I didn't realize until years later, and I tried every single birth control, and I would have depression from birth control that which I never had before, anxiety attacks, pains. Um and you know, women are really unaware of the side effects that birth control has on their bodies for years to come. It's not something that just like you stop and that's it. You know, you have all these deficiencies that show up in your body uh for years to come and you really have to counteract it afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

So it's going back to if you were vegan for seven years, what made me finally question it then?

SPEAKER_00 9:40

I was honestly really unwell. I was vegan for seven years and it was such a slow burner. I felt amazing in the beginning, and I was so toned. I I felt great, but then I started getting hormonal acne. Right. I started feeling really fatigued and tired where I would have to take naps during the day as a 20-something year old. And even though I was supplementing, I was eating a very clean, whole foods, plant-based diet, I still had these issues and I kept losing weight as well. And my body fat percentage was so low. I looked old. I had lots of wrinkles, you know, loss of collagen, I wasn't getting uh enough nutrients, and it was just kind of going through me. And I I think it was when my mom and my grandmother, they were really worried about me and they they they kind of, you know, questioned, they were like, Are you okay? And I had a lot of gut problems, a lot of gut issues, and I just thought this this can't be it. Like I was doing everything right. I was doing, you know, no caffeine, no sugar, no alcohol, sleeping well, working out six, seven times per week. I thought I was, you know, falling.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

Really? Well, that's the perception, isn't it? Oh, you're vegan, you must be healthy. Like veganism's really healthy. I know I I kind of went down that vibe for a bit long for a year. Did you about two years?

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Yeah. What made you start? I don't know. I think it was just like lack of time, and you know, then you've got to have people around you that are willing to do it with you sometimes. And you know, just I just thought, oh whatever, I'll have a chicken burger.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Oh unfortunately, um influenced my mom and she went vegan and she had really bad uh side effects from it as well. She went, I feel like menopause happened for her earlier because of it, because her hormones were so out of balance.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Right. Yeah. Okay, so there was like there was kind of a moment when you realize that this is just like not for me. Um and also probably that it's not just everything about your diet. Maybe that you've just never been given the right information about the female body. So what piqued your interest then? You started going doing your own research on 100% because I was feeling so unwell and I shouldn't be.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

At was age what 30. I was just like, I had so much anxiety all the time. My skin was terrible, my uh self-confidence was at an all-time low. I didn't have energy. You know, uh your health translates into everything, your career, your relationships. And I just felt like this is not it. Like there's more to life than to feel this crappy. And I started researching about female hormones, about how um how there's a thing called cycle sinking, right? And um how women really benefit from living according to their cycle. And men and men and women have completely different hormones as well. So men have a 24-hour cycle and women have a 28-day cycle. So given that we should do things differently. We have different stress capabilities, uh, we uh we should fast differently, eat differently, train differently, and really listen to our bodies. I think one thing that is um so important for women is to really listen to our gut and into to our intuition. And it's almost like we've lost that kind of innate power that we have and we're outsourcing it to all these like trends and things that people are saying.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Yeah, yeah, our body's our body, and it hasn't really changed that much, yeah. Uh, throughout evolution, I completely agree. I mean, you call yourself a biohacker, but let's in plain English talk about what is biohacking then.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Okay, so to me, biohacking means how can I optimize my health to live healthier longer? Because I think there's a lot of people who say biohacking is like, and let's inject peptides and do all these crazy gadgets. But actually, if you break it down, biohacking is really like going back to the basics and going back to the foundational principles that are free that will give you a much healthier life and uh give you energy, make you age backwards, and just yeah, slow down aging and uh have more energy.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Yeah, I think people when people hear the word biohacker, they're probably thinking of these tech bros injecting themselves with all kinds of things. And that is completely the opposite of what I feel and see from you and your Instagram and everything. So yeah, I think there's like a spectrum of biohacking. I mean, I I was reading an article in Vanity Fair which terrified me and fascinated me in equal measure. And there's a guy in there, one of the tech bros, is uh when he dies, he's gonna freeze his brain. Mm-hmm. I was like, for fuck's sake, mate.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Do you know what I mean? Do we need that?

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Do we really need this? But yeah, he's already like set it in motion that he's gonna freeze his brain, and hopefully one day that tech will catch up so they can download him again.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Oh my god, I don't know if I want to be there for and also I thought you're a maniac.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

We don't probably want you back in digital form or any form.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Um, okay, so what's something that's like entry-level biohacking that someone could do for free today?

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Perfect. Okay, let's start with sleep.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

The most underrated free biohack that you have is when your body regenerates, detoxes, heals itself. It's free, and it is the best biohack that you can do. But most people have uh a really terrible uh bedtime routine, and I think that kind of hinders them to have that deep sleep that you need to recover. So I think sleep hygiene is extremely important, you know, no screens an hour before bed, taking magnesium biglycinate before bed, uh, just having like doing something good for your nervous system, you know, not watching like a horror movie or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

I couldn't watch them anyway. I've just I am so far away from people who want to watch like serial killer documentaries.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

No, my nervous system could never and I I totally changed when I had a daughter as well.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

I can't even bear it. I can't even read the news. I skip past news if I see anything to do with anything like that. I'm like, I cannot. Yeah. I I mean I went to see the housemaid at the cinema and um I didn't I hadn't read the book, so I didn't know anything about it. I was like, come on, Danny, let's just go. And he was raging with me. He's like, Why have you taken me to see this? Yeah, it was so like he was like, it's you can't watch things like this, it's too toxic for you mentally. And I was like, I do agree with him. Um, but also I remember he said, Why do women watch this kind of stuff? But there there seems to be a trend. Housemaid was all right, but I won't go as deep as some women do, like serial killer documentaries constantly.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

And I think it's just so bad for your nervous system, right? Like we have enough going on in our in our life that we don't need to add extra uh stress to it, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:12

No, you're right. I went to see Project Hail Mary a week after. How was that? So cute. Yeah, yeah. Like you'd cry with happiness coming out of that. Positive. Wow, okay. It was cute. It was like a buddy adventure movie. I didn't know anything about it. I thought Ryan Gosling, yeah, gets good reviews. Okay, let's go. It was like two o'clock in the afternoon. I was like, let's go and see that. And it was like uh he meets little alien in space. Really cute movie, actually.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Oh, perfect. Regulate your nervous system.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

And then the other one that I took the kids to if you want to regulate your nervous system, was a make yourself feel good. Um, was exactly what we're talking about. You so basically it's called The Magical Faraway Tree. Uh-huh. And the magical far away tree is about a um family, and she's got like a high-powered job, and you know, they just she is a stay-at-home dad. They've got two kids, and she has lost her job because she said, I don't think you should be filming people in people's homes. They had a text out fridge, but they put cameras in it. The company put cameras in it so they could watch people and what they're doing in their daily lives, whatever. So she walked out because of that, and they decide to go off-grid and they buy themselves like a um a barn, and the kids hate it, there's no wi-fi, whatever. They all get down with it, they all start growing tomatoes and it literally off-grid, everything. It's so cute.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

That sounds like my dream life, actually. You'll love that.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Magical faraway tree. And then they go into the forest, there's a magical faraway tree. I won't tell you what happens about that. But it's a very nice movie that you can take the kids to, yeah. So if anyone's listening, I thought it was cute. Uh, okay, cool. So the best buyer hat that we can do today is break sleep. Let's get that sorted. Yeah. On top of that, you've got people like Humer Huberman who are like, yeah, get up, get the out get the sun in your eyes.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Yeah, that's that's amazing. You want to regulate your circadian rhythm in the morning. So basically, you want um, if you want to have good sleep, you need to regulate your circadian rhythm in the morning. It's all interconnected. Everything is interconnected, right? I think some people they kind of think, oh, it's gonna be a standalone thing. Like you just do one thing and everything's gonna, you know, magically fix your sleep or your energy, but everything is interconnected. So getting sunlight in your eyes in the morning is one of the best things that you can do. Even getting um sunset, you know, watching sunset regulates your circadian rhythm and helps your nervous system go down.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

And well, interestingly, the two podcasts the the first podcast I had of the day was uh with a red light therapy specialist. And it's very much well, it's the same thing, isn't it? You have a red light at night, blue in the morning, blue spikes you caught us all, it helps you wake up. Here we go. We're up for the day, red light in the evening, so that's sunset light. And it is all to do with the circadian rhythm. It is, and the only time I've ever lived in rhythm was when I lived on a desert island for six weeks, and I became so in tune with nature because there was no artificial light, there's no nothing there. So you were at one with the island, you know what I mean? That you were completely in rhythm. I love it. So as soon as the sun went down, you had to go to sleep because there's no light. Yeah, and you would get up as soon as you know, so as soon as the uh sun came up. I've got a terrible habit in this podcast. Start a centers and never finish it. Um I'm just assuming people know what I'm talking about. Uh but yeah, so I and I felt it. I mean, there was a bliss point because obviously I wasn't eating anything for weeks, so then you start getting fatigued and malnourished and everything, so that you start feeling terrible. But I reckon for about a week I felt brilliant there.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

That sounds incredible.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

I went to a retreat where they had it was pretty much off-grid as well, and they they turned off the Wi-Fi at night. They also had um red light come on as soon as sunset went down. It was everything was red light, filtered water, everything was whole foods, single ingredient. Where was this? This was in Guatemala. Oh nice. They had solar panels, it was just wonderful. My nervous system felt so at ease. It was the perfect reset. And I wish And just that like jungle-y, it just makes you feel good.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Honestly, your eyes feel better because you actually and just you're in nature, which makes you feel better as well. The Japanese love a bit of forest bathing, and there's a lot to be said for that, yeah, isn't there? There is. Apparently it lowers your course as I'll listening to the sound of a babbling brook or birds tweeting or you'll know better than me, so even being around water, just so calming, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:11

There's there's this study that was done, and um three even spending three seconds inside water, it just c instantly calms your nervous system. That feeling of being in the water. It's like being back in the womb. And you get all the like the uh the minerals, and it's just have you ever done a flotation tank? I have. Yeah, I thought they were brilliant. Yeah. I did one once with uh a Joe Dispenza meditation alongside of it. Wow. And I was tripping. I was like in another dimension, it was amazing. Yeah. What are some of the best things you've done then?

SPEAKER_02 22:52

You must have you've done a lot of experiences.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

I have. I really love hyperbaric oxygen chambers, they're fantastic for healing um your body and just like regenerating. I really am loving NAD plus injections as well.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

I've been doing them for a couple weeks, and I've really seen a big difference in my energy levels, as well as just kind of getting so many compliments recently that I'm like glowing and I'm like looking so good. And I was like, okay, that's one thing that I've been doing that has really helped. And of course, I have to say, okay, my nails are not that that perfect. But since since I've started taking the your collagen, my hair and my nails are just so strong. Like I used to always do shellac and bio for years and years. And in October, I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna stop and see. And within a month, my nails were the healthiest they've ever been.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Same. I've just trimmed all mine off because I've been in the gym. And when I'm lifting in the gym, my nails were so long that when I was grabbing the weights, right, I was just like stabbing myself with my nails. So I was like, right, I'm gonna file them all down. I'm still really strong, but I just thought um while I'm lifting loads, I'm gonna trim them.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

And then for the summer, I'm gonna like grow them back again.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Yeah, but I but I've always been a byabber and always, but that I I was the same. I was like, okay, I'm gonna just go see how it goes. And it was amazing. Yeah. And I always think your nails really don't need any nutrition. Actually, your hair doesn't need any nutrition. So the fact that you can see like healthier hair, stronger hair, stronger nails shows that if it's getting to those extremities where realistically it's the last place it needs nutrition, then what is it doing for everything else?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Absolutely. I mean, my hair is so long now, it's grown so much. And yeah, I love it. I'm obsessed.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Oh, thank you very much. Thank you to me too. So you only share things that you've personally tested. How do you decide what's worth your audience's time and money?

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Yeah, so one thing that I pride myself on from the beginning, I've always tested products for at least a month to see how I feel, if it works, if it's worth someone's time. And that's just something that is a non-negotiable for me. So, I mean, there are some great products out there that I love, but there's also some that I've I've tested and I've been like, oh my God, like, how is anyone taking this? This is terrible. Like, there was one supplement that I took from one of the most famous um biohackers out there, and it was burning my throat. It was, I had to stop after a week. I was like, this is not normal, this shouldn't be happening. And yeah, I guess uh one of the core principles of biohacking is experimenting or experimenting different things on yourself. And um I take it very seriously that my community trusts me because I have been getting a a ton of emails recently in the last year to promote peptide companies, GLP ones, and that is just something that I am really don't want to mess with.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

I agree with you, uh, and I'll tell you for why. Um obviously I've been looking at peptides eight for ages, um, I know people are on them, and I'm like, where are you buying it from? And they'll be like, some fella down the pub or whatever. And I'm like, what the hell? I've even spoken to my professor, I've even spoken to the lab about it, and they're like, Yeah, there is some science with it, but anybody who's buying it, they are not getting the stuff that you should be taking. So, yes, the clinical data on these things is brilliant, but the stuff that you are getting is not that. Yeah, they don't know what they're taking, and that's my argument with it. I'm like, you've got this from some random website, how do you know what's in it? So, I mean, I I'd be the first one to take it if I thought I could trust it, but I know I probably can't. So, and people honestly, I play in Russian roulette.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

100%. I mean, especially with GLP ones, yeah, you know, that so many people are taking these as a quick fix when they're losing so much muscle mass with the fat and they're hurting their gut. They're, you know, they're really hurting their bodies in the long term. And then when they come off it, it's just gonna make everything worse, and it's actually just gonna yeah, put them even more behind of where they wanna, where they wanna be. There's just too many side effects for everything that's a quick fix is is not gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

I know there's lots of people on it, GLP ones, and it can be incredible for some people, but I always think it, you know, when you are gonna eat food, eat real food, whole food.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

And enough protein, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

And enough protein and be weight training. You have to be weight training.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Yeah, exactly. Like you have to actually fix your lifestyle while doing GLP one, otherwise it's just gonna hurt you. Yeah, I agreed, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Um, okay, so you say that women are not small men, which is true. Um, and most data that we get on a lot of I don't know, drugs and everything, research studies, everything is all on. Even the pill, I know, is done on men.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

In 1950s, the pill was tested on men. I mean, how bizarre is that?

SPEAKER_02 28:40

It's mind-blowing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Oh, medical misogyny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

So, I mean, obviously, if a woman is following a protocol designed for a man, you know, where does that lead us?

SPEAKER_00 28:51

To burnout. Honestly, it leads to burnout, it leads uh to aging faster because we are not living according to our cycle, which means most likely our hormones are gonna be unbalanced. And if your hormones are chaos, then you're gonna be aging faster. You're gonna go into perimenopause, and your hormones are your fountain of youth. They are, you know, the most important thing, really. They're your CEOs of your bodies, and you wanna be taking care of them as if your life depended on it, because it kind of does.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

Yeah. I always say that you are only as good as your hormones, or you literally are a bag of hormones. They drive they drive all your behavior. Yeah, it's true. It's really true. You know, at certain times of the month, you're gonna be like, especially in your 20s, you are hunting down a guy, especially if you're not on the pill, because that is your natural age. Yeah, you know, so of course, it absolutely leads into that. Um, intermittent fasting is kind of a good example of something that really works well for men, but is it the same for women?

SPEAKER_00 30:03

No, it's not. And uh there's so much research now that says women should eat within one hour of waking. And so many women are still intermittent fasting. And it's such a shame because women, when we wake, when we wake up, our cortisol is the highest. And when we don't eat and we don't eat protein, our blood sugar levels are gonna go crazy throughout the day. We're gonna have more cravings, we're gonna have more crashes, which is gonna affect our metabolic health as well. And, you know, we're not gonna be able to train as much, or yeah, energy crashes are gonna be a thing. So it's so important to eat a high protein breakfast, and you can just tell. Like it's such a big difference. I used to intermittent fast, have a coffee, and then eat at 12.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Yeah, I still do that. Just because I'm busy in the morning, really. I couldn't even imagine trying to make um breakfast.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Well, you don't even need to make breakfast. Honestly, just two eggs, even you know, just start start with something. But it honestly makes such a difference.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Then it makes me hungry all day. No, it does, yeah. So I use I do start my day with eggs every day. And lunch pretty so today I had uh some egg bites from Starbucks because you can always grab them on the go. So if you're time poor and you've not organized, they're a good go-to. And then I went to brunch club and I got some scrambled egg and avocado, and that's all I've eaten today. Oh no, you need more protein. Do you think? So I've had like what? I probably had 20 grams of protein this morning, then some more scrambled egg. I don't know, maybe Do you think one egg is six grams? Is it? Well, actually, maybe you're right. Let's have a look. Yeah. Starbucks egg bags. I always thought it was 20, but yeah, I could be wrong here. Um, you're absolutely right. I try and hit 120 a day protein. I've just been sat in here all day in the podcast studio though, so it's now 20 past five. Yeah. And the last time I ate was half past eleven.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

So I am I am starving. I don't want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

No, I can't. I'm such a I'm such a foodie. I have to eat like three meals a day, and I make sure to Protein heavy. Well, I wouldn't say protein heavy. You want to have a balanced plate, right? So you want to have your your fiber is really important. Mostly like half of your plate should be fiber, and then like um a quarter protein, a little bit of complex carbs. But you can also carb cycle, which I like to do. So the first two weeks of your cycle, you can kind of do like almost low carb, and then the second part of your cycle, you want to have more complex carbs because your body needs more energy and it needs more nourishment, and progesterone loves carbs and yeah, just makes you feel better, makes you feel more cozy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Do you think like obviously you've got different body types, haven't you? You've got like, I can't remember. I'm gonna have to Google this ectomorphs and endomorphs, I'm pretty sure. Because my PT was telling me this the other day. I don't know those body types. I haven't heard of them. Oh, really? So Yeah, tell me more. Okay, so an ectomorph body types. Let's have a look. Don't know if Dylan, you want to bring it up. An ectomorph, very long, very lean, athletic, skinny. Mesomorph is in the middle, can put on muscle quite easily. Endomorph, chubby. Um, and those are the diff three different body types. So physique, I'm just trying to have a look. And ectomorph, let's have a look, body types. I just want to see, because he said to me, I think you would handle carbs and carbs better than you would fats. And I was like, really? Um, and he was like, Yeah, but we will see.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Interesting. It's so interesting because I feel like I know some people who also really thrive on a vegan diet. They've been vegan for like 17 years, and it really is just so uh individual, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Yeah, so here we go. Three main female body types. An ectomorph is characterized by a fast metabolism, slender frame, narrow shoulders and hips, difficulty gaining weight or muscle, the typical linear and lean, not me. Mesomorph is characterized by a medium-sized frame, athletic build, and efficient metabolism. They possess a rectangular or hourglass-shaped figure, finding it easy to gain muscle or lose fat. Dunno. And an endomorph, I don't know which one he was telling me I am then. An endomorph characterized by a softer, rounder physique, often with wider hips, slower metabolism, store fat very easily, and find it hard to lose weight. And apparently, each one of these different body types, I think your ectomorphs can really they can handle carbs so well, they can just burn through them all day. Whereas your endomorphs, they shouldn't have many carbs. And they should be more like, I don't know, bats. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

No, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

It's interesting. Yeah. Um, yeah, endomorphs often benefit from consistent cardio and strength training to manage body composition. So yeah, that was quite interesting. Um, and obviously, yeah, it is individual, and that's why I always say like it's not a one-size-fits-all approach. Exactly. But I mean, you do coaching one-to-one, don't you, with women?

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Because you can't just do a blanket, oh, there's your program. Sorry, that's the program, you know?

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Yeah. Everyone requires a different approach. Everyone has, you know, different history and different lifestyle and everything.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Yeah. Exactly. A 20-year-old lady and a 50-year-old lady have got completely different hormonal profiles.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Yeah, it it's not a cookie-cutter approach. Um, okay, so you've mentioned a couple of times about cycle syncing. What's the evidence with that or kind of the approach with that?

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Okay, so cycle syncing, they're actually um it is the researcher, and she's amazing. She trademarked it. It's a Dr. Alyssa Vitti, and she did a study on cycle syncing, and um it turns out it works, basically. And what you want to do is you want to kind of adjust your life a little bit to manage uh each week of your cycle a little bit differently, which means, for example, you could do seed cycling. So um eating seeds during uh there's two different phases, and they will help uh regulate your hormones. Uh, you could do carb cycling, as I mentioned. Um you want to kind of eat differently towards each week a little bit, because let's say your first week when you're on your period is like your inner winter. So this is when your body really loves more nourishing things like soups or stews and meat and just some warm foods. And then you go into your spring, which is your follicular phase. So here you want to have more, you know, raw foods, salads, lighter things, uh, probiotics like kimchi, sauerkraut, uh, fresh fish, those kind of things. And then you go into your inner summer, which is, you know, ovulation. And actually, here you want to nourish your body a little bit more. So really around ovulation, you want to start eating more because your body starts burning more calories. And in luteal phase, which is your inner, you know, fall, again, you want to eat more calories and you naturally just become more hungry because you burn more calories. And when you're undereating here, this is when things like PMS shows up, irritability, uh, heavy periods, painful periods. This is all not normal, by the way. I think it's been normalized that periods should like it's normal to have painful periods and PMS and uh cry yourself to sleep. And this is absolutely not normal. And you can address this with lifestyle changes. How are your periods? Easy breezy.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Because mine are like unremarkable. It's like, oh, I'm on. Yeah. Like it's a shock to me because I don't even get I might get a tiny spot or something on the chin and I go, Bet I'm gonna come on. Or the other sign is if I get um a dark dark circles under my eyes and I go, I'm gonna be on today. That's uh that's it. I don't get one twinge. Everyone will be listening to me, like especially like Kelly going, oh shut, shut up. Yeah. Because she's like crying on the floor. But um I'm I'm blessed with unremarkable periods, thank God.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

Well, I've had both sides, so I've had extremely painful periods where I had uh, you know, PMS before my period, uh lots of acne, pain, where I had to take painkillers, like ibuprofen twice per day, couldn't sleep. Literally every first and second day of my period, I was unable to fall asleep because of the pain. And changing my lifestyle, biohacking the feminine way, cycle sinking, and just taking care of myself and slowing down has made my periods easy breezy. I don't have pain anymore. I have energy, uh, my skin is fine. Yeah, I may get the odd, you know, little little um pimple here and there, but uh yeah, it's it's a world of a difference. And it's possible if you listen to your body and you nourish yourself properly and you take it easier because a lot of women they kind of go full speed ahead even during luteal phase. But if you are having these issues, you need to kind of slow down and rest more. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Definitely. I wish I had time to do that though. I'm definitely not biohacking at the moment. One day I will. But if someone's listening to this right now, zero equipment, wants to start, what are the three biggest leverage things they can do?

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Take your sleep extremely seriously, slow down. As women, we really, really need to slow down. We're not meant to hustle like men. We ebb and we flow according to our cycle. And we eat a high protein breakfast.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Love that. Okay. Uh cold exposure. Iced baths, cold showers. Is it as good for women as it is for men? No, and there's reach research on it. I am in your camp, and I personally couldn't imagine anything worse.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

I actually love cold plunges, but I also know that it's not great for our reproductive organs. Women's reproductive organs thrive in heat. That's why saunas are so good for us. I like to cold plunge in a less cold ice bath, let's say. So women actually we thrive if it's around 15 Celsius or above. You don't want to go under 15 because that's when you can have a stress response that's not great. And um you don't want to cold plunge during your luteal phase or during ovulation or during menstruation, really only in follicular phase.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

I just like to maybe in the morning wash my face with cold water and I feel like I get the result of like I'm waiting, wake up, I feel okay. I've kind of had that like shock to the system. That's enough for me. You know, I don't need to be a hero. And the only people that do it are the ones who are putting it on Instagram. Because if they weren't putting it on Instagram, they wouldn't do it. I can guarantee you. Yeah. Um, okay, aura ring, whoop, wearable technology, worth it or not. Okay. I spotted your aura ring, I thought. Yeah. I very nearly bought them so many times and then stopped myself.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

So this is actually an ultra-human ring. Okay. It's very similar. I do use it and I love it because it really shows me when I need to slow down and when I can kind of go full force. But I also take breaks from it. I don't use it all the time. And I think that's the magic here because people can become obsessed with their data. And I think sometimes it can affect your mental health.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

I'm in that camp. Paralysis by analysis. Okay. If that told me you need to slow down and I can't. Sorry, I've got three podcasts back to back today, then I've got to go shopping, then I've got to do this, then I've got to do that, then I've got to do bedtime. No. See you later. I'll tell you what, that ring's gonna do, it's gonna go in the bin. That's why I stopped myself and wasting 500 quid every time. I think I'll do it. Do you know what I mean? I think no, I'm not doing it. But then I also think, oh, I would like to know bits of data. Of course, everyone wants to know a bit of data about yourselves, but I just I I know it'll irritate me and I'll become, oh well, look, I thought I had a good sleep last night, but it's saying I've only had five hours. So now it's affected my day. Well, we're Goes to the gym today, and then you do you know what I mean? Then it starts affecting your behaviour, which is why I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

I totally get it, I totally get it. It's not for everyone, and I don't think it should be something that people constantly use.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

Yeah. I'm not in the whoop bang crew. Um, the Steve at Bartlett Whoop Bam crew. Um, I'll tell you what was a trend a couple of years ago, the glucose monitors. And I don't see many of them anymore or people using them uh a lot. I personally think unless you're diabetic, you shouldn't be doing them.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Really? I I don't know. I disagree. I think it it's a great experiment for everyone to do because metabolic health is at an all-time low. You know, everyone's having way too much sugar and everyone is having a lot of um energy crashes, sugar crashes, and our blood sugar is just a roller coaster. And if everyone did a two-week experiment to see how what they eat affects their blood sugar, I think it would be amazing because you know, more blood sugar crashes uh affects uh inflammation and then aging. So I do think it can be helpful to a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Okay, so like this is my argument with it. I think instinctively we know I mean, maybe not, but you know, if you eat a banana, your glucose is gonna spike. And guess what? It's meant to. Because you've eaten a banana and the banana's got sugar in it, and your body's now gonna spike and it's gonna get all that sugar out of your system. That's exactly how and people won't go, oh glucose is spiking about a banana. And they would see it as something bad to happen, but actually that's absolutely normal. If then they are eating an ice cream, their glucose is spiking, so then they're gonna equate the ice cream and the banana in the same camp when they're really not, and that's why I'm like, no, I don't agree with them. Because then it and it I like the Zoe app, which I believe everyone started doing, but then has chucked them away.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Yeah, I don't know about the Zoe app.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

It was like a glucose monitor that mapped to your phone, but everything you eat will spite your glucose if it's got sugar in it, even if it was beneficial.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

Sure, but actually that's why there's hacks, right? Okay. So if you want to eat something sweet, eat it after you've had something savory because then your glucose won't spike. Spike as high as high, maybe. Yeah. And if you want to have something sweet, pair it with some fat because then as well, your glucose isn't gonna spike too much. And you know, you can have other hacks like eating um a salad before before your meal also is gonna regulate your glucose. Um people who drink, you know, a coffee with milk on an empty stomach, their glucose is gonna go really high. What about black coffee? No, that's that's pretty stable.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

There's no milk in it, yeah. Yeah. I think we've just got away from intuitive eating. You know, like I don't know, your grandma would always put a side salad on everything. There's a reason for that. You know, you're eating a meal with protein and you're getting nutrients with it. You know what I mean? Those side salads weren't just they knew something. It's called grandma maxing. Is it?

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Isn't that a thing?

SPEAKER_02 47:23

Oh yeah, it's that's grandma max.

unknown 47:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

It's like, you know, like a trendy word for let's go back to how our grandmas lived. Well, like they knew, they knew instinctively.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

They looked great as well. Yeah. Their waist circumferences were unbelievable. They were healthy. Healthier. Well, they went didn't have as many metabolic diseases as we have today. Exactly. Diabetes wasn't as prevalent as it was. You would have to really, you know, if you saw someone very large walking down the street, you would that would be shocking.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

I know, but everything was different back then. All the foods were different. We didn't have all the like.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

I do believe, and I had a lady on the podcast, she was like, it's like swimming upstream. Everything around you is not built for you to be healthy. Yeah. If we are living in a world where it you're on a losing battle. That's why I'm biohacking. Yeah. But it is difficult. It is difficult. Um, because you you know, you woke in to get petrol and it's just water wall sweets next to you and chocolate. And if you're somebody who is really turned on by that, that's gonna be very difficult. It's like me with shopping. That's that's my addiction. Shopping, yeah. Online shopping. Yeah, like clothes. Honestly, I would equate it to gambling. That's so funny. Um, but uh chocolate, I can walk past and not even bother me. But yeah, if it was like a I mean, last night. I rang my friend to tell her this morning because I was on I can't believe I'm gonna admit this, but Victoria Beckham dress, uh-huh, £1,400, down to £140.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

I was like, I don't even care if I'm gonna wear that. Look at that. Yeah, it's a bargain. In my size, bought it, pure silk dress, bought it, and then I signed up, got 15% off, right? So now I was like, oh my god, so it was like £120 quid. Wow, wait, which website? Brand Alley, it was okay. I'm gonna have to check it out afterwards. I will show it you. I love it. It's gorgeous as well. It was a bit low in the chest, and I thought my babes were a bit big for it, but whatever. I'll work it work. And silk. Yeah, it was absolutely unheard of nowadays.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Everything is polyester.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Well, depends how much you're paying for it, doesn't it? You know, I am dead against polyester. Actually, well, I'm not dead against this, it's probably polyester, for fuck's sake, but um yeah, it's um it's crazy. It is crazy. So I'll tell you what was interesting. I went to a conference in Italy called Cosmoprof, and there they had collagen gym kits. So collagen-infused gym kits. It was cotton with collagen fibers. Wow. What do you think of that? That was my dress, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

It's stunning. Oh my god. Can you believe that?

SPEAKER_02 50:25

144. Yeah, but then I got me 15% off. That's amazing. Wow. Fucking hell, I know. Tell me about it. Wow. Get on. Um I know what I'm doing after the putty. Yeah, I know. So yeah, the and then the other one I saw was probiotic-infused gym kit. And again, I was like, is this more bullshit to sell to women? And I think it is. Greenwashing. Yeah, because I think rightly so, you're like, don't like polyester. That's now becoming a real conversation, clearly, because somebody's making products to offset that conversation. And then you're gonna get loads of women who were gonna go, I've got collagen-infused gym kit. And I'm like, how I know how collagen absorbs, and it ain't gonna be like that, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So, and probiotics as well. I don't know, that's and it wasn't cheap, it was £129 for a top. So I was just a bit like, and the glucose goddess, she was promoting it. And I was like, I don't I don't really like her. I think she chats a lot of shit. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, um, yeah, that was comes on to my next question. What do you think is overhyped right now? Ooh, like what is something that like the world is obsessed with, but you're like, I'm not convinced on it just yet.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah, peptides, for sure. That's a good question. I feel like it's it's kind of like what are you injecting? What what are the side effects gonna be like? It's almost like people were um the people that were, you know, so and I was one of them. I was one of the people I didn't I didn't get my COVID vaccine. I was like, I don't know what's inside, I don't want to risk it. And now I feel like a lot of those people are just like willy-nilly, kind of like injecting.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Totally, and with them all. But that I'm not having that vaccine now. The government's trying to control me, blah, blah, blah, all the rest of it.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

But you just don't know what's in there.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

And then they buy in. Yeah, well, these people, yeah, these people are taking market drugs off some fella in the pub and then inject themselves with God knows what. So on the box, because I said, I said, for God's sake, at least let me send it to the lab for you and get it tested. Well, on the box, there was a there's spelling mistakes. It couldn't even spell storage. And I was like, Oh no. I was like, Well, of course it's not it's not even pretending to be a credible business.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:53

I said I've sent it to the lab anyway.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Honestly, I feel like might print the results.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

Yeah. Yeah, why not? By the way, this is I do you know what? Some days I I wish I was still a journalist. So I used to when I was a freelance journalist, yeah, I'd have like journalists ring me up and say, Right, we're gonna put you on this job. Um, your job is to go and or investigate this, whatever, go and buy three lots of peptides from three different outlets and then take it somewhere. So the one of the ones I did at the time was a tannin nasal spray. Melatonin. Yeah, something like that. It was a tannin nasal spray, and I bought it, so I had a secret camera in my buttonhole, and I bought it from this clinic, which again was totally illegal to do. And then I took it to the University of Liverpool and they tested it and they gave me the results back, and you know, we saw what was in it. Yeah, basically. And um, yeah, that so anyway, and that's kind of what I used to do as a journalist. And I would like somebody to ask me to do this again. I'm not doing it off my own. Can you do it? I'm really bloody busy. Can someone else do it for us? Can someone else just like do it? I I if if I was a freelance journalist, that's what I'd be doing because I know a newspaper would pay good money for that, but I just feel like freelance journalists they just they just wait for things to land in their lap instead of going out and hustling for it. Because I know I'd think peptides is the biggest thing going on in the world right now. It's huge, it's everywhere. So I would buy them on the internet and then go and get test them. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I'll do that anyway, and maybe I'll publish the results. I test a lot of supplements, you know, from like high street stores. You'd be shocked to see what was in them.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

I mean, you should not buy anything from Amazon, right? Because it's a huge scam, basically. They're kind of storing the original ones with the fake ones, and there's no regulations, and bloody hell, I don't know what people are taking.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

The high street places aren't that good either, because I tested one last week. I'll show you the uh report after we get off the pod. And you they and this was a sealed bottle, and we didn't just test it from one uh place, we tested it from a couple different places as well, just to make sure is it just this batch or is it more horrendous? It was full of bacteria, gunk. And this was you know, this was a credible outfit, you would like to think.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

But wasn't so there you go. So do I think that these peptides are any good, knowing that that's what's on the shelf? No.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

We'll see. We'll see in a couple years what people, what what happens to those people, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

I don't know. Who knows? Risky business, risky business, I'll say.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Okay. Okay, perimenopause. Because our audience is very interested in that. I feel like I'm going through it myself. I've had vertigo, I get like a red chest now and again. I'm like, what the hell is that? I'm like, oh my gosh, what's going on? I'm getting I think I had first hot flush. I don't know. But my audience is very kind of like interested in in, you know, and we're very in tune to it. I talk about it a lot, so I'm really in tune with how I think. Um, but how does biohacking fit in with like your menopausal symptoms, maybe?

SPEAKER_00 56:05

I think it's about making healthier choices. Um and you know, to be honest, I don't know that much about perimenopause or menopause, but I know that if you take excellent care of your hormones, you will delay the onset of perimenopause. And obviously, there's a lot of other factors that go into it. Uh, I've watched this documentary recently on uh plastic and the effects of plastic on our fertility and our hormones, right? So it's it's almost like you kind of have to take into perspective your lifestyle, the products that you use, your environment, your stress levels, all of that affects your hormones. And if you go into perimenopause early, unfortunately, women are going into perimenopause earlier because they're living this fast-paced lifestyle uh that women just women's bodies aren't uh used to. Yeah, no, completely agree.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

Completely agree. I think the biggest hack for me, if I give anybody and I go on about it bloody constantly, but it's gotta be weight training. It literally is. That's it. Muscle mass is so important for a woman's longevity. Nobody really talks about it enough, but uh I certainly do. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

100%. You want to be independent in older age as well, right? And you need you you need muscle to hold up your skeleton.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

Why do you think there's so many people having issues later on in life? Yeah is because they they just never uh lifted weights, they they're just not um strong, you know? And they become frail, and that's when things break, bones start breaking. You know, if you want to have strong bones, you need strength training. If you want to have a healthy brain, you need strength training. Everything uh everything in your body benefits when you add strength training into your routine.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

1000%. I was looking at a lady the other day and she had like a hunchback. I was like, how do I how does that happen? So then I spent ages Googling it and I was like, Yeah, you've got a strength posture, keep it going.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

I think most people have a hunchback these days because everyone is literally like putting their head down like this. I'm like, why? Just hold up your phone when you're throwing it.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

So I would look some woman. I literally she looked really trendy, she looked, you know, really expensive handbag on her, all the rest of it. I was walking through the train station, and then she was like, uh right. And I'm and I'm I'm thinking, God, sharpsuit, lovely bag, like nice shoes, all the rest of it, everything else is glam. And then she had the worst, like I feel like a bitch, but a bit of an underdeveloped chin, and then obviously loads of like skin like that. And I thought, fucking hell, I don't want to end up like that. And I immediately started doing that. Yeah. If that's what I look like, fucking hell.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

It's awful, honestly. It's like everywhere you look, it's just like people with a hunchback.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Yeah. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

Posture is so important.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

Underhyped. Yeah, my uh I yeah, my friend said you've got to be uh doing hip mobility every morning as well. She was like, get up, moisturize your face, brush your teeth, do your hip mobility five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

Something that I also am obsessed with is a vibrational plate. Oh, really? Oh my god, it's so good for lymphatic drainage, just to get everything moving in the morning. It gives you energy. You can do this like I do this like 10-minute routine, and it's just like some squats and just get everything moving in your body. It feels so good and it has so many benefits. So that's nice. That's something that I would feel like that would look nice.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

Especially if you had sore muscles after the gym, you could just vibe it off. That'd be nice. Um, okay, you talk about 80% biohacking, 20% bio slacking. How do you stop this becoming another form of perfectionism? You know, women are already very hard on themselves.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

I agree. I think it's just about making better choices every day instead of being perfect. You know, it's it's about thinking long term. You know, a lot of women wanna uh slow down aging, but you have to have good habits to do that, right? It's about thinking ahead to your future self and um wanting to play with your grandchildren, being active, you know, do it. Yeah, a lot of people say I would die for my kids, but would you live for your kids?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

I say that, yeah. I say that all the time. I'm like, would you run into a burning building for your children? Yeah, of course. Would you uh run a mile for them then?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

Because that's the reality, isn't it? And I'll tell you what, I have a video on my phone. This is a nice place to close. So this was a video that I found on my phone um a few weeks ago that I filmed a couple of years ago, and I totally forgot it was on my phone. So I'm just scrolling through my phone, and that absolutely nailed what you're saying. So uh Danny's grandma takes our collagen for her joints and stuff like that, because the collagen's amazing for like stimulating your fibroblasts to make more cartilage and help your joints, etc. So uh I have this video on my phone, and I'm gonna send it to you, Dylan, so that we can use it, but I will just show you this now. And it made me cry when I realised what I was looking at because I didn't look as I'm filming it at the time, I'd never noticed it. So this is Danny's grandma at the end of her life, and my little girl, well, she's not at the end, she's 85, and my little girl at 13 months. Both of them are trying to walk in this video, and this is it, life full circle, and all you want at that age is a reason to stay alive. Uh, this is it, you've got to be strong for her, and this is it in a nutshell. And I was thinking, that's a campaign right there. But that's it, isn't it? Yeah, someone at some point would have taught her to walk, you know, Val, when she was a little girl in the same way. And that's why you need to stay mobile. Yes. That's a great granddaughter.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

Oh, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

So there you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

Absolutely agree with you. And I think that is what it's about. That's what you know. People talk about biohacking, longevity, and it's almost like the high-roxes. But in reality, it's your grandma maxim. It's eat whole foods, follow a great diet, have some olive oil, sleep well, you know, get up early, see that blue light.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

And do low.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

Early to bed, early to rise makes a man happy, healthy, and wise.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

Mm-hmm. Agreed.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. And I think that's a nice place to finish. Thank you very much, Sabrina Brown, for coming in. I've really, really enjoyed following your journey over the last five years. And I can't wait to see more of you. If people want to work with you or follow you, how would we find you?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:35

The best place is on Instagram. I am at the Positive Lady. And that's where you can find me, message me, connect with me. And yeah, that's it. Thank you so much. Thank you.