Catherine Tyldesley : Returning to Coronation St, Motherhood, Aging & Reinventing Yourself

00:00 Meet Catherine Tyldesley
00:28 Weight Loss Mindset
01:09 Whole Foods Basics
02:53 Kids And Junk Food
03:50 Fixing Food Systems
06:23 Local Farming Future
09:59 Growing Your Own
13:08 Suncream Debate
14:23 Natural Deodorant Hunt
21:41 Marrakesh Blowouts
23:54 Back On Corrie
25:41 Work Life Balance
30:18 Kids Growing Up Fast
31:17 Acting Dreams For Kids
33:59 Next Acting Challenges
38:56 Soap Stamina Respect
40:41 Method Acting Depths
41:37 Research Makes Roles
43:01 After Dark Decompression
44:52 Set Etiquette Standards
45:57 Industry Shift Reality
50:03 Theatre Boom Challenges
52:59 Fame Marketing Pressure
56:03 Networking Boundaries
58:57 London Travel Rant
01:01:34 Ageism Body Pressure
01:05:20 Kids Phones Social Media
01:12:07 Wellness Dopamine Habits
01:15:38 Supplements Product Build
01:22:02 Wrap Up Thanks

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So today I'm joined by a fabulous friend of mine, Kath Tilsley. Kath, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:05

I'm good. I'm very excited to be here. Same.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

I uh have been wanting to get you on the pod for ages because we have a a nice back and forward a lot of the time on text and Instagram where we're like sending each other like memes and reels and whatever. We love a voice note. A voice note. And it usually is around something. You're very, I feel like you're very mentally similar to me. I hope you don't mind me saying, but we used to be very, well, a lot bigger than we were. Yeah. Um than we are now. So we were bigger girls growing up and uh we've seen the light, but we work hard at it. We have to not diet, but we eat good.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

We eat well and we work out hard and we know what it takes. Yeah. And we both know that we don't want to go back to where we were. Hell to the no. So you and like I don't know how my everyday life is governed by this thought all the time. Like I just went to Pret then and I'm like looking at the calories on everything. Yeah. Are you the same?

SPEAKER_02 1:08

I think for me, yeah, obviously calories are important, but what I've learned as I've got older and educated myself more and kept food diaries, it's what I'm putting into my body. You know, the chemicals in food or seed oils or anything that makes me feel rubbish is just not welcome anymore. Life's too short. And don't get me wrong, we all like a treat here and there, but um, I've now got to that really comfortable point where I'll walk in somewhere and I'm like, no, I don't want to eat that because I know what it does to my body, and that scares me. It does scare me. I think food is medicine and will either elongate your life or it will take years away. I always use the great analogy of it's like putting petrol in a diesel car. If you're gonna treat it badly, it will eventually malfunction.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Yeah, I agree. No, I completely agree. And whole food, uh you know, protein rich, kind of I'm so boring and repeatable diet-wise. It's like that's the only way. Yeah. Because we're both busy, and I'm just like boring, repeatable diet that I know is yeah, that's good. Whip it up, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Yeah, and and simple, you know, it doesn't have to be rocket science.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

No.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Again, something else that I've said a thousand times is if it ran, swam, or grew from the earth, eat it. Anything else has been tampered with. And I think if you live by that rule, your body will hopefully be getting the nourishment that it needs.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

You know, to eat where I I think that saying eat less, move more, not necessarily, but eat well, move more is the way forth.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

And I don't know if you get this stress as I know I do. You definitely will, right? So, like my biggest one of my biggest anxieties is, and it just makes my life difficult. I have Grace on a Tuesday, I take her out, take her to a kids' play area, and everywhere I go, there is massive like rocky road cakes, muffins, chocolate cookies, whatever, all at a rhyme line, right? Quavers, whatever, not an apple or a banana in sight. It's outrageous, right? And and it's so difficult because guess what? And she's like, I want this, want that, throwing herself on the floor screaming, ruins our day out, ruins my day because I'm trying to be a parent and won't give in to her because I'm trying to parent her correctly. Yeah. And I honestly feel like this is so stressful. What do I do? Not take her to these places, these are amazing play areas where she can run, climb, whatever. Saying become out of swimming, vending machine, full of shit.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

It drives me insane. And something has to change. I don't think it will. Um look, the powers that be know full well what these foods are doing to us. They know that cancer rates and all kinds of diseases are massively on the uprise, especially in young people. And that comes from what we are putting into our bodies. And as yet, there is not enough changing. There are foods available in supermarkets in the UK that are not fit for human consumption, quite frankly. They know they are connected to lots of different issues, but people are still giving them to their children. And I come back to you know, education being key for parents and for children. And I'm like you, and again, you know, my children absolutely do have treats, of course they do. But I remember Alfie would, you know, he'd throw a dicky fit because I'd be like, no, I want you to eat fruit. I don't want you to be having this processed, ultra-processed food. But actually keep the faith because it's come full circle with Alfie. Yeah. It has. And yes, he likes a treat, but he will now go, Mum, have you seen what's in that? Not from a weight perspective, not from a calorie perspective, but he's totally now aware of how he feels when he eats certain foods because I've drummed it into him how important it is. And he's seen kids around him that will come into school with masses of crap, quite frankly, in their lunch boxes. And it's really sad to see because it is, it's connected to all these different problems for physical and mental health. And I wish to God that there was more that the government would do about it. You know, it's all well and good launching or pushing fat jabs for people, but if that education for food is not there, we're screwed in the long term.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

And this is why I got so annoyed about the full farmers thing. I was like, why are you not trying to support farming in every way? They're literally the backbone of this country, but also are a white. I would actually I've said it loads of times on here, but re try and regenerate farming to the point where we we do not import food or as much food from abroad, support the farmers, great food. And I don't know, I just feel like stop trying to I don't know. I just was really sad for the farmers when all that happened about them taxing them and attacking the land more. And I was like, I just I can't I I feel like we should be trying to regenerate farming in every single way.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

I completely agree. It's going back, you know. I look at somebody like my great-grandma who was nearly what, nearly 102 when she died, and she ate frugally, she ate from the land, she ate from local allotments, uh farm shops, places like that. She would treat herself to a fish and chips on a Friday night, but she just ate whole foods simple. She walked everywhere. You know, she was still bowling in her late 90s, and and you go, hang on a minute, where have we gone wrong here? And it it isn't rocket science. We have tampered with the food so much, and we're spraying it with all these chemicals, and nobody's questioning anything. And I think it is about going back to that, supporting local farmers, which you know we try and do as a family as well. Um because otherwise, you know, we we look forward to the future. 50 years from now, it's only going to be ten times worse if we don't fix these issues with food and and take things and strip things right back to how they're supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

And the maddest thing is we've got the technology as well to be able to be doing this, like in the British Isles, create more jobs, whatever. I know Jim, I know James Dyson has come up with this unbelievable machine. I don't know if you want to try and have a look at it, JP, uh, because I might be bastardising what he's doing here. He's he's come up with this unbelievable machine that's growing strawberries. It was unbelievable. And I thought, wow, he's figured this out, but he's gonna do it en masse for loads of other fruit and beds and make sure that we're like we're growing it in the British Isles, and then cost comes down, whatever, but they're doing it en masse. And then the other thing, there's a place in Liverpool called the Urban Farm. So there's loads of disused warehouses and everything all over the country, and the urban farm, this is amazing. Uh, because Danny's restaurants, uh, some of them are supplied by the urban farm, so they have a full like circulatory system that they have fish in the water and the fish poo in the water that fertilises this vertical system that goes, like you can grow like cabbages and like lettuces and whatever up the walls in inside buildings, so you don't necessarily need a field because all the nutrients and everything are coming from the fish. The fish are having a good time in the water, and it's all a circulatory system that can be done with hydroponically with just light, it's amazing. That is incredible. Yeah, they're what they're doing is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I always think, you know, a big telltale sign when I've been working abroad quite a bit recently, and we would often find ourselves in France in a place called Cherbourg, and they had the most amazing fresh fruit and vegetables. And whenever I would I would get off and I would I would buy tomatoes and strawberries and just to snack on. And I was like, what are we eating in the UK? A lot of the time, not all the time, but in some places, I'm like, they're not strawberries. What we're eating are not strawberries. No, they're just not good, it's not good quality.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

When he goes to not good quality, food is so good, the tomato.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Just Europe's because they're not messing with it, they're not messing with it. They are supporting local farmers, you know, and it I don't I don't know what went wrong over here, but yeah, I don't know either.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

I remember what's the wildlife guy called Chris Something. He posted he was like, Oh my god, this is broken. It was like a pineapple that had been grown in one place, packaged in another, delivered over here. Oh my god. I was like, oh my god, yeah. What's what journey has that pineapple been on? Used to get on the shelf in Morrison's. Better travelled than me. Yeah. Uh I saw somewhere, oh, I've advent this. You and the kids are trying to grow your own bedge.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Yes, we did. Uh I will hold my hands up. We haven't done for the past couple of years because I've been away, and I was the one that was kind of really rooting for that. But we loved doing it, and it's something that I want to start again. So my my dad has an allotment. He grows all sorts, he is incredible. So we help him with that, and we're really lucky because we do get a lot of veg off him. I mean, he's another level. I'll be like, wow, dad, you've got rhubarb. And he's like, it's three different types of rhubarb, and he'll tell you where each one originated from. And but that's just a joy. I mean, we were very simple. I couldn't grow anything outrageous.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

A couple of strawberries, I've done it.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Tomatoes, maybe potatoes, garlic.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

I mean, I I was bad with tomatoes. So I get tomatoes from my dad when I can, but I I couldn't grow them. It was the one thing that I just couldn't quite. But I am going to try again. Now I'm back in Manchester.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

I have been gardening, uh stressing me out. Stressing me out. I mean, thank God for Chat GPT, because I don't know where I'd be. Because I've got a gardener. He actually commented on my video the other day. He was like, uh hello. I was like, hello, you're not ever it, you're never in the garden while I'm in the garden because I'm in work when you're there. So it's not like you're passing on knowledge to me, is it? Yeah. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. So I'm sat there with Chat GPT open and my spade planting my lupins because I always thought you need to put nutrients in the soil. So I'm putting these blood, fish, and guts stuff in it. And I was like, and it said, no, don't do that with lupins, it'll make it too acidic. I'm like, how am I supposed to know? I haven't got anybody who's like passing down knowledge to me.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Well, if you ever need any, because that's what my dad did. He was a bus driver for 12 years and then he became a professional gardener. Right. Gardener. So if you need any tips, just give me a tinkle. I'll get Graham onto it.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Well, Graham, Graham, ask Graham. Um, I want to grow some hydrangeas last year. What a disaster. I'd spent like 500 quid on them and thought, mega, these are gonna make the house look sick. And honestly, just went brown and died immediately. And I'm like, what the hell have I done wrong here? Because I followed the advice, you know, correctly, but someone else was like, you need irrigaceous compost. Oh, for God's sake. Yeah, I wouldn't have a clue about any of that. But it's not easy.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

No, it's not. But hats off to you for the case.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

So I can't imagine trying to grow a veg.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Yeah, I I stick to the easy stuff. That's what I've done previously. But yeah, it is something that I want to do.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

I'm just trying to get a foxglove to bloom at the moment. That's because I grew that from a seed, planted it, and this year, third season in, it's gonna bloom. And I was like, God, three years I've been waiting for that bugger. But that's the other thing, it teaches you gardening, patience. You cannot rush that job. Yeah, it it will eventually pay off.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

I look at my mum and dad's gardening. I mean, the bed, it's amazing. It's insane, it's just so beautiful. Um, we're not quite there yet. We did, when we had iris, we planted lots of iris bulbs. Oh, nice. That then grew next door.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

I was fuming under the fence. Oh god, yeah. Speaking of something that I saw in the news recently, like, where do you stand on sun cream? Because this is something I haven't looked into enough for like because I'm always like, I know everyone always asks me this question about what what sun cream do you use? I'm like, or do you and there's loads of people who are not using any, especially on their kids.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yeah, I've I can I'm like you, I don't I don't feel like I know enough about it. I'm a big fan of DeVinia Taylor.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Yeah. Um, and she's no sun cream, isn't she?

SPEAKER_02 13:38

Yeah, and I think her book is incredible. I think when she talks about chemicals, it makes total and utter sense. I have been using tallow, uh protective tallow cream on the kids, which is factor 50. They don't burn, they're completely protected, but there are no nasty chemicals in that. And it's been working a dream. And I I was advised by a couple of people that that was probably the safest option if I was unsure about chemicals. I mean, it's a minefield, and again, I you know, I hold my hands up, I've not researched it enough. I mean, I do love a bit of data, but I've not researched it enough to be m to give you a more specific answer. But at the moment, I mean, I'm all for the tallow. I think tallow is amazing, full stop.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Well, I sat up one night, I don't know what the hell I was doing, but it was just like I thought of beef tallow or tallow, it was. Yeah. Deodorant. Yes. But there's a new um form of d of magnesium that like stops you from sweating.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

So it was tallow, magnesium, but also giving you health benefits. And obviously, transdermally magnesium is amazing. Yeah, I was just gonna say. So it was a magnesium-derived deodorant, uh, and it I made it unscented and I hated it.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

No, did it not just take it?

SPEAKER_01 15:02

They had five of them made, and I was like, come on, five people. So I sent it to a lady who'd had breast cancer who's a photographer that I know she had it, and I was like, you tell me, because she was really like obsessive about this, um, you tell me if it's any good. So listen, there's an argument, but it's gotta do its job.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

That's I really struggle to find a natural deodorant, and and I'm like you, I train hard.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

It's gotta do the job. So I'm a bit like I go back to Mitchum then. So what am I gonna do? I know. Do you know what I mean? At least it's not an airport.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

It's it's it's something uh some of the girls and I were talking about at work the other day. Because everyone at work really is trying to make a portion and trying to be more conscious of what we're putting onto our bodies.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

But maybe I get a bigger focus group and see. But I was just like, my mum tried it, she tried it, I tried it, and then I've got about four more, I think a few more in the office that I could probably send out to people. But because the it's clean as you can get. Yeah, but I unfragranced it, and I think that might have been the problem. Maybe I should refragrance it. Maybe I should put fragrance in it. I've tried all sorts of natural and I I do think because I've but I've also tried salt and stone, which has scaled like unbelievably about to 100 million. Maybe they've done more than that this year. And it's shit. Yeah, it didn't work for me. Shit. It didn't work for it. It's literally pretty packaging, and I bought it so it looked good in the back of El Sarr shots, but it's actually a shit product. I've not found one that works yet, unfortunately. Sorry, it's like Sew and Mitch, and we've got to go back to it. Yeah. Um by the way, I'm sat here as somebody who's like, you know, like I don't get Botox put in my face, but I don't say Yin and Yang. Yeah, but it's like how much toxic load are you gonna have?

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Well, it's like you know what, I think baby steps, and if you can at least half you know, then that's better than nothing.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Stop spraying perfume on me now. I just put it on my clothes.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Yes, I will only put it on my clothes. Instead of messing direct to skin.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Yeah, so everyone gets a whiff of it, but so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

We're trying.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Yeah, it was Liz Earl who was going on about the uh no sun cream thing the other day as well. And I was like, Yeah, I'm seeing this a lot. And Sam Fairs, she also said it. She doesn't put it on her kids.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

People that I I really respect and and follow on socials. I mean, I'm talking about doctors and you know, extremely clever people who have actually said, Yeah, it's a bit of a chemical shit storm, but there are alternatives available that will protect you, which is what led me.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Down the tallow roof. Yeah, that's interesting. I might have a look at that. I mean, I fell in love with a sun cream um in I went to Cosmoprop, which is basically this big expo for all the health and beauty, mainly beauty and beauty tools, whatever, beauty tech innovation that's about to come out like the next year, whatever. And this sun cream I fell in love with. Two same company, Korean company. Um, one was a balm that when you patted it on went to a powder. Uh so it fixed your makeup. Oh. Mega. And it was in this really cool pot that came up like a sharpener, mega. Uh, because you're supposed to reapply sun cream every two hours, right? Yeah, definitely. I definitely don't do that. And also, it's the fastest way to get rid of your collagen and age, isn't it? So that's why I'm a bit like I think I'm still gonna use it. But then there was another one that was like this clear, it's like a serum that was amazing. So it gave you that like serum look, you know, like dead, shiny, gorgeous skin, but it was some sun cream.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

And w where were they at with chemicals? Were they oh they're probably loaded with it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

This is this is the thing, isn't it? It's so frustrating.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

So I think you've got to decide do I want the toxic load or do I want a lot younger? Because I think you know, yeah, I don't know what the way around it is. But I think if you are making an act, mineral versus normal, people want tinted. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

There are certain facial products that I use that I am not willing to give up. To give up. But I absolutely am going hell for leather in all of the departments in terms of what I'm putting on my body. I go all natural, you know. I'm really trying hard. So then I'm like, you know what? Me just bobbing that certain ball and all whatever now and again.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yeah, no, I agree. I completely agree. You've got to pick your battles. Yes, and you're good in every other way. Yeah. I'd imagine you're not drinking coke all day. Oh, hell no.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

Or smoking or I'm really boring, darling. Same. I'm so dull, it's painful. I am, and I only go out to do work.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Yeah, no, I I only socialise for work. Yeah. And you're probably the same, you have to go to events. So you get in that kind of socialising, but yeah, you know you've got to turn up and be Catherine the Telly.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

It's I I mean, Tom and I have been married now 10 years. He's probably only seen me drunk a handful. I mean, I'm talking a handful of times. It's just, and I am a little bit of a controlled freak. I hold my hands up, but I'm always really busy and I'm like, oh, do I want it? I can't feel that toxic the next day. I can't feel it.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Well, yeah, why make yourself feel worse? The next day.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

I can't handle the hangovers, and kids have no mercy. No. Iris is more than happy to jump on my head at six o'clock in the morning. I did have a blowout with the Corrie Christmas dew. I was so ready for that. But again, I was just embarrassing. I was just like, I had people doing oops up oops upside your head. Well, that's good. You do need a blowout. I was like, Can we do the congo? They were like, Oh my god, what is it? 1982. Like, I didn't care, I had a lovely time. So occasionally I'll have a blowout, but generally I'm quite dull.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

No, I am, I'm the same. I'm absolutely the same.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

But you're super busy, you've got so much responsibility.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah. Well, that's it. And everyone's like, Oh, you just flat your head down for once. And I'm like, you know what? I'm close to like really if I lock in now for the next couple of years, completely changing my life and my daughter's life for the rest of our lives. So, you know what? I'll go and get pissed when I'm 45. How about that? And is will that keep you happy? But even then, I might get to there and think, don't want to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Completely, darling. That has always been my mentality. There were certain times in my life when my friends were, you know, going out on the lashes.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

I've probably done it. I actually don't need questions today because like I know you are. Um but um I don't know why I'm even bothering. Yeah. Um, yeah, like I got pissed in my twenties from like the age of 15, let's be honest, to like 35. I was really killing it. So I don't really need to. And I'll have the odd blowout, but I only really do it if it's me and Danny on our own. Marrakesh is my blowout place.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

I feel like I've just really let my hair down there.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Because you feel relaxed and relay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Love the vibe. It's that real dinner, drinks, party, every single Place you go to, like does dinner shows, like every single restaurant. It's the best at the place.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

I've never been placed in the world. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Yeah. Like so and I love it because you can sit and have dinner and have lovely drinks and all the entertainment is around you. Great. It's amazing. So you don't need to get up. Okay. It's honestly.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

We're quite similar, so I would probably love it.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah. And it's one of those places that's really safe, gorgeous weather, dry heat. Oh, so you don't sweat.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Great.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yeah. So no need for toxic deodorants. Hair doesn't frizz. No midges or mosquitoes or mosquitoes. Right? Because you can go to like Spain or whatever, and you go to Samiorca and you get bitten to friggin' death by fleas or whatever. It is not like that. It's dry heat. It's, I think it's the perfect climate in like spring and October. Yeah, like October. Amazing. You get and then you've got like wealth and poverty right next to each other, but also it's like a feast for the eyes, and everyone's invested in Marrakesh at the moment. So you've got like Nobu just moved there, Mandarin Oriental, some like loads of places like Beach Clubs and Saint Trepay have set up in there now. Like, I mean, it's mega.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

I mean, to be honest, I feel like if their tourism board just put your hair will not frizz here, they're on to a winner. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

They're on to a winner. That is true. That is true. I honestly feel like buying an apartment there. It's like good. Oh, really? And you know Jude, don't you? Jude C C. You must come across Jude.

unknown 23:30

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Maybe not. She knows everyone we know.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Oh, really? Oh, maybe I have to. You will.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

You'll know. She's got an amazing villa there.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Oh, really? See, it's our dream. That is our dream to have a little holiday home somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

It's so you can like I've rented Jude's villa a couple of times now. And um, because it's right on a golf course, gorgeous. Oh, amazing. And uh yeah, it was on Cribs.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Oh, was it?

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Wow. It's fab, it's fab. Um, yeah. So speaking of uh Corrie, I remember when you left Corrie, you were like, I'm gutted to be leaving, but seven years later you are now back on the cobbles. Yeah. What's it like being back?

SPEAKER_02 24:05

It's so surreal. It's um it's like I never left. And you know, a lot of the uh the same people are there, Castan Crew, which is so lovely because I never really I didn't stop talking to anyone, you know. Once you've been there for any amount of time, it is like a little family. And so we always stayed in touch, and um, and I said when I left last time, I will come back when the time is right, and if the storylines are good, and and it's all about timing because they'd asked me a few times previously, and I genuinely couldn't make it work for various reasons. Um but I it was a really weird, you know, talk about the power of the universe. I'd been away at the time they called, I think I'd been away for about nine months, a long time. And I'd been so lucky to work pretty much consistently since some last year.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

I have actually pretty much consistently. I remember like a couple of you did a couple of tra Channel 5 dramas, which was there was one of spooky one in some house. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what it was.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Fifteen Days to Murder, yeah. And uh Viewpoint and Scarborough, and I've I've had a great time and I've I've loved I've loved my time outside of it, and it's really helped me to grow as a performer and as a person, and I think it's really important as an actor to keep to keep learning and not to get too comfortable. Um I love to challenge myself. So I've had a lovely time and I've done all sorts, and then since I had Iris, I hadn't had any birthdays with her. I'd start breastfeeding to go and do a job.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

I tell you what, and I didn't really get how hard this was pre-being a mother, but I remember when you had Iris and then you had to go to Malta for good shit murder, like straight away. Straight away and I had to leave her.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

I was literally still lactating. I know it was so hard. How long was it after the birth? Three months. She was tired.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yeah, and you all you want to do at that moment is like be with your baby, have that like nice cocoon, and just and I can't imagine genuinely how mentally tough that must have been.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

It was tough, and I remember upon landing, going to the supermarket to get some bits for my hotel room, and a baby started crying, and my boobs started producing milk. Because I mean your hormones are just white. I mean, it's incredible. And I stood in the corner of the supermarket and I cried. But I, in the same breath, I felt really sad at that time, but looking back, I don't have any regrets. Firstly, I you know, am the main bread earner in our house. Tom earns a great living, but I am the bread earner. COVID had just been and gone, and I I was lucky to work through most of COVID, but you know, we all lost a lot of work, and this opportunity came in and I was like, great, amazing. Um, and I had a lovely time, but it was very difficult, and there are sacrifices either end of the scale, whether you put family first or whether you put work first. And we always celebrated Iris' birthday slightly early, so I could be with her, but on the actual day, I haven't been there for the past three years. So this year I was there when she turned four, and that that was everything to me. So when Cory phoned, I'd been away for nine months, I'd done two jobs or three jobs in in succession without gaps. I remember stepping off stage in Manchester doing Bonnie and Clyde. And I'd said to my agent, I was like, Oh, I'll probably have a few days at home before Malta. And she was like, No, they can't make the locations work. There will be a car outside the theatre ready to take you to the airport. And I sat in the back of the car. My last scene in Bonnie and Clyde was this cry, really heavy crying scene, and I was covered in mascara, and this poor taxi driver was like, Are you woke in? I'm like, Yeah, I'm just I'm going to work. And I was just all over the place. But um, I adore my job. I it is a huge part of me. It puts such fire in my belly. And um, the kids they get that it has been hard for them at times, but I mean Alfie now, especially, because he is a budding actor and he is excellent, and he gets it and he's grateful for it. And you do what you need to do as you know, somebody that is self-employed. Um, but when they called, I'd had a chat with Tom, I think it was two days before or the day before, where he was like, Oh babe, gosh, this is this is hard, this has been a long slog. He was like, I really hope your next job is in Manchester. And lo and behold, a day later or whatever, Kate, our brilliant producer, called and said, I'd like you to come back and I'd like you to be landlady. And I was like, Oh my days. This feels like such a gift right now because we were missing being a family massively. I was missing Tom, Tom was missing a wife. I have very poorly relatives at the moment that you know we need to help look after, and I want uh I want that time with them. Um so it just kind of ticked every box, and I'm truly, truly grateful for that. And it is the most gorgeous place. I feel like the luckiest girl in the world. I grew up watching these landladies come and go, thinking, oh my god, that is a dream job. Yeah. How amazing would it be to be landlady of the rovers? And I do pinch myself. I stand in the rovers sometimes going, this isn't real, this is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Yeah. And that's brilliant. I think, well, you said it perfectly, it's a perfect place for you to be, around the corner. Yeah. And sometimes it you've you have been away a lot, and it would be gorgeous to have that spend that time with the kids. It's everything. You just almost feel like it's just a regular job. Like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yeah, well, it's I suppose it's the nearest thing for an actor. I suppose a continuing drama like you know, or a soap is that's the nearest thing you've got to a normal job. And I mean, don't get me wrong, it's it's manic at times, but I know 90% of the time I've got weekends with the kids, and you know, Alfie's about to go to high school, Iris is about to start school.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

High school. I can't. Oh my god. High school. Terrifying. It's I can't believe it's been that long.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

I know. I think in my head I thought it was like seven. I know, I know. Well, I do.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

He's still a baby to me, but I'm really grateful that I can be here for those key transitional moments for them. And he's, you know, he's really excited, he's taking it in his stride, but um it's a big deal.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Yeah, it is, yeah. Schools are a big deal. Oh my god, it's gonna be before you know it, driving. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, it just goes so fast, and everyone says it, and you're just like, oh my god, how is this happening? It's like your life is in fast forward. I just want to pause. I wish I could have paused Grace as a baby for a bit longer. Yeah. For like another year. That would have been great. I always tell her that. I'm like, I wish you were still a baby. She went yesterday. She went, I'm sorry for growing up. Do you know what she said to me yesterday? Because Kelly took her to Zog the other day on Saturday morning while I went to the gym. And then she got in the car and there was an eyelash on her cheek, so she wished on it. And I said, What did you wish for? She went, I want to be on stage and I want to be an actor.

unknown 31:39

I can't do it.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

And I was like, Oh god, I would have had to get a theatre child, wouldn't I? Because there's nothing I can I don't even really encourage it. It's not like I've got like, you know, that tendency myself. It is just inner. I love this.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

She's just we need to get her and Iris together.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

She gets on the coffee table and she says, This is my stage, and then she'll go at it, whatever she's doing. That's what I do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Stand on the coffee table. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Oh, that's so you're gonna, are you gonna Bellys? I can't school. Can't hold it, I can't hold her back. So I was like, Well, I'll do whatever I can to support you to do it, whatever. So she already does like dance and acro, and then she does baby ballet, but then I think she's gonna be four to go to Danny was like, let's get her into Lippa, but Lippa's shutting down, don't know why. Yeah, in July. I don't know why. That's so sad.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Yeah, why is it, JP?

SPEAKER_01 32:33

No, what's gonna put his hand in his pocket and keep it open.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Oh, that's made me really sad. I know I auditioned at Lippa.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

And then someone else said the Pauline Quirk Academy was quite good.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Yes, it's got a really good reputation.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Thing is, if it's there, it's there. There's no getting away. Like Tom had his fingers crossed for like maybe Alpha to be a golfer and Iris to be an accountant would have been great, but they're absolutely Alfie's not stagy, he's like, I want to make film and television. Oh, really? Because Grace is stage. Iris is stagy. She like knows Matilda the musical back to front. Yeah. Give me a feather bower, I'm happy. But Alfie's like giving Daniel Day Lewis vibes. Yeah, he's he's super focused on film and television.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

And Daniel DeLewis, I mean, I always use him as a reference to like a celebrity that is like just a great actor, does whatever press he needs to to get the movie out, and he's away again. He's not caught in drama, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Not I mean he's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yeah, so mega actor, yeah, loads of Oscars, doesn't like end up in the tabloid. So you can have that, you can have privacy because he chooses to that to have that kind of life.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

Completely.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

So it can be done.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Um, but yeah, mega actor, God, I'm just thinking about like there will be blood at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Oh, I mean, his I mean his CV is just another level, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Yeah. So obviously you're in Cory at the moment, but is there anything like challenging that you would think I'd love to do that, like as an actor performer?

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Oh gosh, yeah. And I there's still loads of things that I would like to do. And I I think as long as I feel challenged, I'm happy. And I did, I you know, I said that to Cory when I was heading back. I was like, Am I gonna be busy? Am I gonna be challenged? Because that's super important to me. And again, Kate Brooks was like, absolutely. If we're bringing you back, we are using you, we are gonna throw all sorts at you, which is great.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Um there are still little boxes that I would like to tick. I mean, I ticked a lot of them when I came out. I felt I felt like I was really looking. I love the variety, I love all aspects of our industry. I've been lucky enough to do film, television, theatre, radio, and I'm just kind of taking every day as it comes.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Um, I mean, who knows what the future holds. Corrie might get bored of me in a year's time.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

See you doing like, you know, those like Netflix series. You know, like your Haaland Corbyn ones. Oh, they're amazing, aren't you? Yeah. I mean, I love his books.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

So every time every time Michael Shinblock cuts up drums, I mean, they've just done such a stellar job. And Michelle's Michelle is killing it. She's been well brilliant, but also you're quite comedic.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

I mean, in lockdown, um a whole series. Oh gosh. Um what's she called? Olga.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Olga. Yeah. So you are quite comedic, and I don't feel like that's explored enough. You do a bit in Corey.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Yeah, yeah. There is something.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Yeah, I feel you and Peter Kaye have got some that would be mega the dream.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

There is something in development with Olga that we can't talk about too much, but that has been in development for the past couple of years. So she is brewing away nicely. I do think we'll see Olga again soon. Okay. Um, but I love comedy. My roots were in comedy. Right. But it's when people ask me what I want to do. I feel like, you know, at drama school, I thought I was gonna go straight to the RSC because I love Shakespeare. And then I had a time where, you know, um, when I was doing Scarborough, for example, I was like, oh my god, I'd be happy to just do comedy forever. This is, you know, we were going home doing Scarborough, and Jason Manford was a lot to do with this because he's hysterically funny. But I remember going home every night and my entire face felt like it had had a workout because I'd spent the entire day laughing, crying, laughing. And I thought, God, there's a lot to be said for that. Yeah. But then, you know, I'll do a gritty drama and I'll be like, this is where I'm supposed to be. This is what so I think for me being challenged is key. And I think you know, when you become too comfortable, it's dangerous. I always remember Kate Kelly saying to me when I first got my job in Corey, she was like, Treat every scene you do on this job like you are auditioning for something. I think that is really sound advice because it would be easy to become comfortable, and I can't my job is everything to me. And the day that that starts happening is a dangerous day. Um I will always give it a hundred and ten percent. So I mean, even Tom will say to me, There's been jobs that I've done in the past where he's like, Can you chill your beans, please? And I'm like, No, yeah, I've got I've if I don't give something 110%, I will beat myself up over it. You know, it's a bit like you with your products.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

If it's not the best, then what's up?

SPEAKER_01 37:33

You're gonna lie awake at night and going to the street. Going, well, I know it could have been better.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Because I know and it will play on your mind, and that's how exact exactly how I feel with with my job.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Yeah. I tell you who popped up and I was like, I text uh, you know Quinny, don't you? Yeah, yeah, he's lovely. I text I was texting him anyway, and then weirdly enough, I'm watching Landman and I was like, Where do I know this lad from? And I was like, Hollyoaks, and because I was already texting him about his baby, I was like, is this lad was this lad in Hollyoaks? And he was like, Yeah, that's uh it was his name, Guy something. No way, but he's gone from Hollyoaks to he was in Oppenheimer. Oh wow, and then he's in Lambman as a character now.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Isn't that amazing?

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I know, and I was thinking, God, last time I saw him was a schoolboy. Gosh, with a tie on in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

That's incredible as well. They're in Oppenheimer. When you look at the talent that some of the soaps have produced, I mean, one of my old, I think she's an absolute goddess, Sarah Lancashire, Saran Jones, Kate Kelly, yeah, like, and and actually loads of people from Hollyoaks. Yes have done incredibly well.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

Yeah, Emmett. Yeah, killing it, killing it, and Claire, his other half.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

They're both just yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

There's some Lucian, what was Ian? Oh, uh Emily. Emily in Paris.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

Yeah, who's great, but I do think because there is there's a snobbery sometimes with certain casting directors, there is a snobbery with having been in a soap, and a lot of the time I think to myself, oh my god, it is such a genre on its own. And if you I was thanked recently by a director that said to me, Thank God that you have done Kari before because there's not many actresses that could do this schedule without without Keeling over. And uh there's a lot to be said for that, but I think it it can be such a great place to hone your craft, and a lot of people have done that. Yeah, I think it's harder when you enter a soap when you're a child, but I think that can be harder, and I think that's when it's really important to maintain your training throughout. I was really lucky that I'd done quite a lot before I got to Cori, which I think helps, but um gosh, yeah. I mean the stamina when it's intense, it is really intense.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

And learn all those lines, different scenes, and to try and keep that level and keep yourself in the zone.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

It's it's difficult, yeah. And because you do and you do know everybody on set, and I will, when I've got heavy stuff, the crew know about it because they're like, where's Kath? And I've I'll do, I will take myself off to a corner of the studio. I don't want people talking to me about what they're having for the tea, or no, whereas normally I'll do, I will I will do or Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

I think it's very difficult to try and if to do a good performance and try and get yourself into that mental capacity where you need to cry, this is a scene, you can't be going, hi guys, yeah, oh bang on.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

But it shows I can see you know, there are some actors in various shows where I'll go, Yeah, they're not, they're not. I don't believe a word they're saying. Yeah, and that if somebody thought that about me, I would be absolutely mortified.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

It's that you know, fail to prepare, prepare to fail. I want people to believe every word I'm saying, and so you've got to stay in that zone.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

I always remember watching a behind the scenes of Charlie's Theron when she was doing Monster.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Oh, that was just incredible.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Yeah, well, and like how she's like doing this scene where she's like, gotta kill this fella. And like just like what she was like after it, do you know what I mean? It was just like stuck so much out of her. Yeah, it does. You've really gotta get yours, and also like people like Heath Ledger, he was getting prepared for the Joker and it got so dark. He got himself such a dark rabbit hole, hadn't he? It's just he couldn't get back out of it.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

You have to go to that place.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Yeah, I'd hate to do it. I'd hate to do I don't know how you feel, but like I don't know, a psycho killer like role.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

It's it's difficult. You have to when I was doing Viewpoint and I was uh I played a murderer in Viewpoint, I uh I spoke to Sari Taylor a lot who is a psychotherapist. Yeah, I sat her on the pod. And she she is incredible. And I was like, I need you to help me understand this woman. And and and it's my favourite part of any job is the research. And you do fall down a rabbit hole and you have to go there. In in my opinion, you know, there are some actors that are like, no, acting is demonstrating. I am with Kate Winslow on the fact that it's not a case of acting, you have to be. Yeah, you you're not acting, you are being that person.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

I will agree. You've got to know the backstory, even if it never comes out on screen, you should like know it. Yeah, like where's the the motivation for this person? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 42:27

Otherwise, you don't feel like you're doing your job properly. I mean, a good ship murder, not quite the same, but I was in touch with a first officer and a captain of a ship, um, Captain Kate McHugh, who does celebrity cruises, who is a bit of a celeb in her own right, actually, incredible following. And I was like, what was a what does a day look like for me? What do you know, what does this mean? All the the terminology, every time there was terms, I was like, what is this? How would I handle this situation? Because that's my job, that's what I need to know. And I love that part of it, because then I know what my character has done throughout the day. So, in the same breath, going back to to viewpoint, getting my head round that and going to that place, you do feel exhausted sometimes after a job, but if it's been dark, and I know Saranne Jones has spoken about that before. I did a job where I had to go to a really, really dark place. And I remember on rap, once I'd finished filming, I was in my car and I could taste blood in my mouth. And I was like, What? And I had these blood vessels that had burst on the walls of my cheeks, and I looked in the mirror and one had burst in my eyes. Oh my gosh. And I I got jumped on a call with one of my best friends, Dr. Jean-Kilchantry, and I was like, babe, what? And she went, Oh, your your body's gone there. This is full on adrenal fatigue because you've been crying for weeks, going to a very dark place.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Crazy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 43:46

She was like, Just give yourself some time, detox this character out of your sister.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

You need to get going have like a couple of weeks decompress somewhere where like nice.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Well, I did. I went on a retreat.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

Because I I was like, I was fully aware that. My mind and my body had helped me to deliver this performance, but it had come at a cost, and I needed to fix that, and I did. Um, but I mean, I love I I I love that. I love going to those places. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

It's interesting as well when you get a different character. I was listening to Ben Affleck and Matt Damon on Joe Rogan, and they just filmed the rip, and all the extras in that were all Miami police officers. So they could pick up the lingo and see how they worked better. Do you know what I mean? It was great.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

I watched that recently, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

And so everything stayed really authentic because they were like, Well, how would you do this in this situation? How would you hold a gun? How would you do what I mean? So the performance is ten times better.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

You have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

And it I got the thing that you can't just switch it off.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

No, no. No. If the you know, the odd occasion when I'm working with an actor who has absolutely not read the script, that to me Does that happen often? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Or like not often, but it yeah. Or probably doesn't know it, and then you're like, your scene's gonna take ages because they don't know it.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah, there's occasions, of course, of course there is, where you go, wow, they don't know where they've been, they don't know where they're going, they don't know what their objective is in the scene. And um that to me is just really disrespectful. Yeah, to everyone, cast to everyone, completely.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

You're not gonna get home on time now.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

Yeah, completely. Even even, you know, uh simple things as well, like being on time at drama school. If we were late, you're out of the room. That that's I mean, I'm I am never late. I am embarrassingly early. You were you were earlier than me today. It's embarrassing, it's an issue. No, but that's brilliant. I have to drive around the block, but I cannot cope with the anxiety of being late. Being late, yeah. I just can't.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

I hate being late. Yeah. Yeah, I hate it. I'm usually on time. I'm never early, but I'm on time. Yeah, yeah. We were talking before the podcast. I was like, save it for the podcast. Uh how um how has it changed? Like in the last 10 years, everything has changed, hasn't it? Yeah, massively. Streaming services have come in. And is that a benefit for the industry or worse? How's AI changing everything? People struggling to find work. What how what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 46:15

It's worse. The you know, the golden age of television, certainly terrestrial TV, is gone.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

Because the way we watch telly now, everyone is streaming everything. You've suddenly got these vertical shorts that are like two minutes long. People's attention spans are much shorter. This next generation, the swipe along generation, as I call it, a lot of them that is what they want. And that is how their brain is trained because of what they're consuming on social media, which to me, in my humble opinion, it makes me really sad. Um because I would love to keep investing uh time in, you know, great dramas and and you know, and cin cinema, of course, people are still going to watch films, etc. But television has changed dramatically. And I have been so lucky to keep working because I have got friends with uh you know, who've done way more than I have who have got incredible profiles of really well-known actors who haven't worked for a year.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Because you've now got movie stars doing Netflix series and everything's kind of moved down. You've got movie stars doing, you know, uh series on ITV, BBC, etc. So it's there's I think I read recently there's 80% less television being made now than there was in 2008. Because I would thought with streaming services, I know more's getting made, but it's not. Also, it's the expense. So there's so much being filmed abroad now. I mean, this country is bonkers to to do anything over here is so expensive.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

Well, also, electricity is too expensive as well, are the UK's the worst in all the world.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

And obviously, we now have the funding with the there's the the government scheme now towards independent film, you know. We followed on from Ireland, and that's that's quite exciting. I think in terms of my industry, that is the next thing to flourish, and that's that's very much where I'm focusing as a writer is that towards independent film because that's where the funding is. But it's it's changed massively. I think that's the most heartbreaking thing is when I'm speaking to friends, uh producers, directors, actors across the board, people who've led I am talking Stella careers that are going, I cannot get arrested. I can't get a job at the moment. And that's the thing, like you've got to pay mortgage. Everyone's diversifying. So I've got a lot of friends that are finding other pathways, finding different ways to make money, um setting up new businesses, and and it listen, I think that's really sensible, regardless. Therefore, you know, we were always taught that strings to your bow. Yeah. I mean, you know I was really all your eggs in one basket. Completely. I was really lucky that I could sing. So in between, you know, back in the day, in between auditions, I was doing the work in men's clubs and and things like that. That was my bread and butter, really, before Telly took off. But it is sad. I worked with a director recently whom I greatly respect, has done all sorts, spent years in LA, big films, can't work. There's no way it is, isn't it? It's yeah. And I don't know where it goes from here, really. I I'd like to think socials.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

I'm honestly thinking, right, you've got a Stella Career who because I'm watching every brand become a TV show online as well. So, and I think people are just consuming content in different ways. So you're probably right. It is those vertical shorts, it is those like you know, if he's as good as he is at directing, then yeah, just think about it in a different way because people are consuming entertainment in different ways now.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

Completely. I think the the one positive that is happening at the moment is the growth of theatre. Theatre is more popular than it has been in years. That's not to say that I do think theatre tickets are now ludicrously expensive.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Paddington, $3.50 a time.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

Yeah, stranger things, and and incredible shows, and absolutely when I say doing theatre is like being an athlete, that is an understatement. It's incredible what these people are doing, and they deserve to be paid extremely handsomely.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

I always ask Kelly this question. So we go to the theatre, and what did we see recently? We went to see Helen Flanagan in uh Shape of Water. Oh, right, yes. And like, so I'm chatting to Kelly, I was like, So how much do you reckon these actors, you know, the ones that are getting every single night? She's like a couple hundred quid. I was like, how depends where you are? Well, yeah, this was like in the everyman in Liverpool.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Yeah, yeah. It's I I the so the rates that um actors are paid for certain things and certain certain aspects of our industry haven't changed in the last 15 to 20 years. So, like the money you might get for accommodation if you're doing a theatre tour. You're sort of like there are there are people that I was chatting to, and I'm like, where do they want you to stay? Yeah, and they're and they're like, Yeah, they've not changed the minimum for and so that things like that need to improve. There's no protection sometimes for theatre actors if a show is dropped, for example, people may have let their flats out, or you know, they've got families to support and they're left high and dry. And so it's a very precarious industry. It always has been, but it's worse than ever, I would say. Yeah, but people are really enjoying theatre at the moment. I think it might boom.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

I also I know AI's coming and we're all using it and we all love it, whatever. But actually, I saw something today on I don't know what it was, BOF, business of finance or something. They were saying that in real life is about to explode.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

So, because people will crave in real life community events. They were talking about brand executions and stuff like that, like in real life, get your community together, whatever. But I I do feel like there is gonna be, you know, people are people and they want community, they want to want connection, they do, they need that connection, which is why I think theatres really got a boost. And I think it might boom. I hope I hope so. And hopefully the pay will get better for theatres and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

I mean, I I love this industry, and it's sometimes when I'm seeing my friends crafting like that. Like you've you couldn't even imagine working insane hours, and I'm going, What? You know, you it's it it's there are certain things that have to change, and and as an industry, we are fighting for those changes. We have to.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

Yeah. And also, I feel like you've got to keep your celebrity high. Let's say, take you as an example, your inquiry, whatever, you then have to keep the forefront of the media because there is an argument for well, we want her in that show because everybody knows her, so they're gonna watch it if she's in it. But so you've got to there's the pressure to keep your almost like personal life high, uh, you know, in between jobs.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

Maybe I think everyone has their own level of what they're willing to talk about, how much they're willing to share. There are some people that will share everything that they do, they're you know, they've got YouTube channels that I feel really uncomfortable with that. And I think it's sometimes dangerous for an actor to share too much. I think there's there's a happy medium sometimes, but you are absolutely right. Uh at especially at the moment, a lot of the castings, if somebody uh isn't well known, and then you've got somebody that can do the job equally as well, but they have a profile, it's absolutely going to that person. I remember doing an audition, gosh, I mean this is going back now, maybe seven or eight years ago, um, for a film. And I don't want to reveal it too much, but there were two young girls sort of around between 10 and 12 that were up for this lead role, and I was up for sort of co-star. And these two girls auditioned, and one of them was breathtakingly good, insanely good, and one of them was alright. And I said to the casting director afterwards, I said, regardless of what happens to me, you've got to cast that girl. And she went, but I don't think she will because the other girl's got like 11 million followers. And I was like, But the other she's not a patch, she's not a patch. So there's that, and but then people need to sell.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

Of course, you've got to sell tickets, you've got to sell, you've got to make people watch it, whatever it is, you you understand.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

And I know I get it. A lot of a lot of people go, Oh, you know, there are some actors going, I'm bored of seeing the same faces. It depends on which faces they are, because to me, there are certain actors, I will absolutely watch something if they're in it. Sheridan Smith works like a trooper, yeah, outstanding in every aspect. I've I've seen a film, television, theatre, she brings it every time. So if she's in something, I'm watching it.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

She's watching it.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Yeah, and that you've you know, people and she's so versatile.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

Yeah, no, I agree. Maybe then, as an actor, as good as people are, they've got to understand you're also a commodity. Yeah. Sorry, you've got to market yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:39

I always say that.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

So I'm like, um that look at the fucking Kardashians. Chris Jenner knows what she's doing. She knows she has to market those girls, and that is her job. And if you bring talent with marketing mentality, that is dream. You're gonna get books on jobs, sorry. But I know I really feel that's the advice. That'd be good. Grace, it's a good job you've got me. Mama Jo.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

I think it's a really good point, darling. And I think, you know, I I do think it it is becoming more and more, and I'm not that media savvy. I'm, you know, there are I mean, there's a lot of events. Again, I'm too boring. There's a lot of events that, you know, people will say, Kath, you should really go. And I'm like, uh, I know, but you know, Tom was gonna do a barbecue at home. We were gonna go have a film night, and we were gonna do there's a there's an extent to which I'm like, look, I give it my all when I'm doing tele and film and theatre, but there's that side of it.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

I probably need to be better up to everything. And the thing is, people don't see it's the stuff around it, right? So you've got to then get childcare, you've then gotta go and get your hair done, your makeup done. You have to be interested in it, otherwise, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

I can't do it. I've I think I'm I'm you know too old now to it's the networking situation. Are there people there that I just I can't fake it? No, I can't fake it.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

I feel like so with you. I'm just like, no, like there's loads of e I must get invited to e-commerce stuff all the time. And I'm just like, no, I'm not sitting in a room of geeks with trying to sell me tech, and then just what? Oh, just a load of other brands. I'm just honestly, I'm not leaving the house. I've I've done it all, I'm not doing it again. I'm at that level now. I'm like, no, it's got to be amazing for me to waste a blow dry and leave the house. So true. And also because I book a driver, this is a guilty habit of mine, but I feel like I don't spend money in other areas because I'll never go out. So when I do do anything, like I book a driver who's expensive, obviously, more than a Uber would be.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

Because he has to sit outside and wait for me. So he can be waiting outside four or five hours. Yeah. But I'm like, no, I'm not. I want a nice car with Wi-Fi that can take me there with stars in the roof.

unknown 57:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

And wait outside and pick me up. Yeah. I'm not, or you know, so it can get like that sometimes. But there was an event I was supposed to go to last week and I just had anxiety for some reason. I was ready. My hair was done, makeup was on, fake time was on, everything. I was like, something's stopping me. I'm not going.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

I think you've got to listen to that.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

I know, and I just thought, I'm not going.

SPEAKER_02 58:12

If something doesn't feel right, I am getting much better at going, no. If I know there is an event or a networking situation, I now think to myself, do that people in that room light me up? Is that my tribe? Is that my creative tribe? And that will then I'll, yeah, I want to go. I want to, I want to see what those people are up to. I want to feel motivated and inspired. If it's a an event that is, you know, all about the show, all about being showy and um, you know, just bobbing a face on for the sake of, I'm like, no, I can't. No, you've got to protect yourself in those situations.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

Yeah, you've got to protect your peace at times. And um, yeah, sometimes I think he's the juice worth the squeeze. I I get invited to stuff in London all the time. You must feel this. But how expensive is it to go to London, right? I'm in for a grand get me started on train tickets. Train tickets, well, I have a right cancelled. Cancelled, a van to take the piss, and they've got the monopoly on that line, so we can't go anywhere else. And because plans dip and change, you know, I'm here fly by seating my pants, I'm only booking it on the day I go. Yeah, yeah. So it's yeah, 190 quid. Then I want to up I want to upgrade because I can't be asked with everyone or sitting on the floor, yeah. Which is I guess then it's nothing, and they've put the upgrade up to 50 quid now. And I'm like, this is a scandal. And then some then the the air con was broke, and then the one time I was on it, they turned standard prem into first class. I meant this is now first class. If you want to stay in your seat or sit on the floor, you will you'll have to pay first class. So I was like, Well, I'm fucking obviously staying. So there you go, and I've got some money back off them, but just make it up as they go along, yeah. Yeah, I honestly, this is another thing I would do if I was in power. Sort the trains out. I I actually think they run okay, whatever, but the interior of the train could be a better experience. So better seats, better interiors. Just put fucking a Wi-Fi on for a stock.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:21

You're charging 300 quid for a sandwich.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

And if you if you did gonna charge that, just give me Wi-Fi and make it pleasant so I could actually work for those two hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

You can't get on the Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

Can't the Wi-Fi doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

It's impossible. But there's something else that I've noticed, and I don't know whether it's just me having bad balance. Just put down straight tracks. If you're really whether you're gonna bother away on a train, yeah. It's like you're all over the show, aren't you? Like, yeah, I'm like, how in this day and age can we not get trains?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Well, you can because China do it, they make bullet trains that can get you from one side of China to the other in four hours. As I went on one, it was just supersonic, it was unbelievable. Super smooth, amazing. I'm thinking they've built an actual train that goes under the sea to the whole to France. That's crazy. Like just just make the experience better, I think. For that, for that type of money. Money. Yeah. I'd rather I'd pay a little bit more. Yeah. If if I had solid Wi-Fi, solid interiors, great selection in the shop. But because they don't need to, because they've got the monopoly. Yeah. Hope you're listening, Avancy. I can't bear you. I'm clipping this off and putting it out. Brilliant. The other thing I think as well, we're both women of a certain age. Uh we're in our 40s. Do you are you feeling that pressure? We see a lot of actresses and things like that, and there's always BBC scandals of you know, newsreaders getting female newsreaders when they hit a certain age, they lose their job and a lot of ageism and things like that. Is that a real thing that women feel in the industry?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

For sure, it's a thing. I I've got a lot of friends who are kind of more towards 50, who have all actually, without exception, said, Oh dear, suddenly things have gone really quiet and they do they feel unseen. It's I do think it's a thing, and I think there is a pressure. There's con I mean there's constantly a pressure on women, full stop to look a certain way. I don't even get me started on red carpets at the minute with uh every man and his dog doing the jab. Yeah. It's it's really and and and don't get me wrong, I think there are some people who absolutely benefit from them. But I think it's just another thing, yeah, another pressure. And I do think uh the aging side of things has always been I mean, there's people now having facelifts at like 28. I know. And I'm like, what's going on, guys? It's like suddenly the world isn't allowed to age. And listen, I each to their own, if surgery makes you feel better, it you know, what whatever tweakments I I'm all for making yourself feel better, feel confident, and feel like you are living in in your truth, you are being the real you. But I think that pressure now, I think I think we have a responsibility as women. Um, and I think you know, if you do have a voice, you've got a responsibility. I've got two kids and I'm very much aware of what they're growing up around and what they're seeing. I am constantly praising my body in front of Iris, even if I don't feel that way. Because I, you know, I do struggle. There are days when I'm like, oh God, this looks terrible and this feels awful.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:52

How you feel like that? You're literally like your physique is amazing. I always use you as like a barometer. You've got the tiniest waist, I don't know where you put your organs, fantastic boobs, great shape. You're literally like the most like a goatier bottle.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

Oh, thank you. I think this is exactly the same about you, but we all we all have our we all have our hang-ups, and I'm I am really determined, you know, with the kids. So, for example, you know, Tom and I are avid gym goers, it's very important to us. Like the other day, I said, Well, mummy's going for a swim, and I always went, Oh, and I went, No, it's great, because mummy's so strong. But I say the same, and my mummy's just going really strong. Yeah. So I can be big and strong and still lift you up. And then when I get back, I'll be like, Mummy did her fastest ever today. Mummy swam a mile, and I did it faster than last time, and I did it, and I'm constantly, you know, drumming that into them that you know, it's all about strength and it's all about how you feel from the inside 100%. Because if we don't do that again, where is this next generation going?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Yeah, it's really good that she's seeing you working out and like we do yoga, Elsa yoga. Like that. Yeah, it's got she loves yoga, she gets the yoga mats out.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:06

I didn't know there was an Elsa yoga.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

Oh, Elsa yoga, get it on YouTube, yeah. Oh my god. It's the only thing she's allowed to watch on YouTube. I turned that off after about 18 months because she was going deranged. Yeah, completely agree. Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it? And I just I'm I'm really worried for when she gets a bit older and it's like the phone situation. It's very difficult.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

Alfie. How old's Alfie now? Alfie's 11. All of his friends. All got phones. They've all got phones. Alfie has a phone that we give him if he's not with us with us, if he wants to go and stay overnight at his friend's house or he's going to a party and they're all going bold or whatever. Yeah, there's the ball. And he's got a tracker. He's tracked up to the balls. I'm literally I've turned into a spy. We've got every safety thing going on. He's not allowed on socials. We are quite strong. With it, but it's protection. I think we were the last generation to grow up without a phone, and I thank God for that. I thank God for that. You know, the only pressures we had were, you know, the magazines, sugar, bliss, cosmo, whatever. Um, but the fact that they're growing, I I wish I could raise my kids in the 90s. I keep saying that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

I know. Whether just watching like S Club 7 on MTV. MTV's gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:27

Life was so much easier back then.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:29

Going playing out, yeah, knocking on doors. Yeah. You just play out all day. Yeah, it is sad, isn't it? It really is. Hopefully. I'm building an extension on Grace's Wendy House because she's she is like Mrs. Wooden Toy. She's only a lot of wooden toy. I love that. I love that. Dolly's, you know. She said this morning though, she's going, Mum, when I'm taller, can I have a phone? I went, Yeah, but when you're about 30, yeah. She's like, Because I totally agree. Please ban social media in this country until 16. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

Oh, I'm fully behind that documentary swiped with um Matt and Emma Willis. I haven't watched that yet. Oh, darling, it's fascinating. It's brilliant. Everybody should watch it. And it's uh, you know, and it's science-based and it's factual, and and the data, how anybody can watch that and go, it's rubbish, you know, we're just starting phones.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

I think there's your phone. I watched like this, there was like this meme that was like, Oh, we've loved getting to know you for the first six years of your life. There's your iPad.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

But that's how it is. And you've got these schools now that are or certainly are doing trial periods of no phones. There are children that they thought may have been had a certain level of level of autism, for example, because they couldn't give eye contact. And they're now learning that was actually because that child is exposed to six hours of phone use a day or iPad use a day, and they they can't they're not on the spectrum per se, but they don't know how to socialise, they don't know how to give eye. Now that is terrifying, that is completely heartbreaking, and I'm sorry as parents, it is our responsibility. If you are giving your child a phone or iPad for six hours a day, that is to me, it's insanity.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

Yeah, no, we are I'm so against it. She doesn't have any screen time. The only time she's allowed to watch an iPad is on a flight, that's it. She knows it's just for a flight. And then, and I'm not being like all fucking self-righteous here, but I just know I'd rather go through the pain of knowing not having it because what you're doing, you're letting Pandora out of the box here. Yeah. Because it's so addictive. These companies have made these products so addictive. You have you would not got a chance against it. Yeah. You're up again, even Steve Jobs said he would never give his kids an iPad.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

No, I I think I mean, we're the same. Alfie, he loves, you know, watching his shorts and um catching up with the football. Corrie, obviously. Um, he is allowed a certain amount of time in the evening once he's done his homework and everything else. That that that's his time, and then the rest of the time we're really strict. And he does moan at us, of course he does.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:05

Of course they're gonna push that boundary, but yeah, you've got to hold the line.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

And I hope I do think he's he is he's at that age where he he gets it. And he we allowed him to watch Swiped, we also allowed him to watch Adolescence. Yeah, and what was really interesting for me is that Alfie was picking he was going, Oh yeah, yeah, there's there's I know boys like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

And I know that and I what about the manosphere? Has he watched that?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

He's not watched that yet, but would he haven't watched that yet? I I need to watch that first before um before I can give an opinion on that. But there are there were lots of things that he picked up on uh with swiped, especially, but he was like, Yeah, yeah, I've seen that and this, and I was like, Oh my days. But he'd he'd seen certain behavioural patterns in you know, people that are at the same school as him, and you go, gosh, that that is the world they made.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:55

I feel like I need the mums need to come together in the friendship group and be that force we have to do it. We have to do it together. So there's my friend, interestingly, she's in a little place called Overton, it's in Basingstoke. Yeah, and the mums at the school, you know, Jonathan Hallett, who did what's it called? The book. I can't remember, but um, he's literally like it's so in demand at the moment. He's the one pushing the agenda about do not give them a phone, don't give them an iPad, blah blah blah. Can't remember what it was called. JP will tell me in a minute. The book was fabulous, anyway. Uh yeah, brain fog. Anyway, so it was called like the Unsomething Generation, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:39

Anyway, he did a call with these mums in Basingstoke and was like he did make a like a little Zoom call with them, and then all the mums of the school got together and decided that the yes, as a blanket, they are not gonna give the kids phones. That's so good. But it takes everyone to do it. It does. So then the kids aren't asking because the mates haven't got it either.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

But I just can't see I can't see how don't get me wrong, I'm like you, I'm not being self-righteous. Are there times when Iris is driving me mad on a flight or whatever, and I've gone, please just play a game on your iPad? But I just think we need to be extremely careful.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

Yeah, it's the it's the overconsumption of it, it's all of it. And I'm an adult and I find it difficult.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

Oh, I find it really difficult. Everything's when we go on holiday or even at weekends, I'll go, Tom, have you got your phone on you? Because I'm not taking mine.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:30

I'll know that Tom's got his for emergencies. It's on loud, end of situation.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:35

Because I get to the point where I want to throw it out of the window.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:38

Yeah. Well, I just get pissed off every night when I'm just hearing, do you know what I mean? Fucking turn your what are you doing? Turn your sound off is all I see.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:50

Tom laughs at me because if I if I am doom scrolling, he's like, oh my god, your feed is literally just food, puppies, and babies. I love that. I'm like, oh and I I will then every recipe that I'll come across. I keep sending to Tom, I'm like, can you make this, please? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

Can you make this, please? Mine is my algorithm knows. Fuck. It must have, I don't know what Mesa thinks of me, but it knows I'm like a top spender on clothes. Like my addiction is I haven't got any other addictions, no vices, nothing. You know, chocolate, I can look at, leave it, wouldn't be arsed. Yeah, you know, gambling, nothing, alcohol, smoke, no vices, but shopping. But shopping. Fucking love it. That's where I get my dopamine from.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:33

See, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:34

I get it. I'm like, honestly. And then as soon as I bought it, I'm like, yeah. Well, there you go. Forgot it. I need to see like parcels arriving. Oh, oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

The parcel stitch. When I'm working away from home, Tom will send me pictures and go, Are you taking the pee? What just got gifted? But you see, I'm I'm I love vintage as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:55

I'm such a it doesn't matter where it comes from, it can be eBay. Yeah. So I'm not, it's not like the price of it. It doesn't have to be like, you know, a net a porter. It can be, you know, a Ralph Lorenzo that I've bought on eBay that's seven quid.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:09

Well, if you see something, this is the thing though. If you're not you're not going crazy having nights out, I ought this is what I say to Tom. I'm like, I will have that vintage dress and I will spend money, especially on my health. Same. I had my genetics done recently and it absolutely blew my mind. No, with health 10, it's a part of revive, and it blew my mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:30

Yeah, minded.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:32

Just to, I mean, I wish everybody could do it. Can you imagine the amount of money we'd save the NHS? Um, just to get that intricacy. In fact, when you were saying then about addictions, like all those things that they it was when they broke it down for me, they was like, You've got no addictive genes, you'd be highly unlikely to become addicted to alcohol or drugs. Are you sure? Because me and Dark Chocolate have quite an intense relationship, but it was fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:57

I want a DEXA scan, yeah, to do my VO2 Max, and if anyone's listening, uh MRI.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

Yes, I want to do those.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

Yeah, there's a clinic in London that my friends. I've seen that. I think Sally Dineda did that, yeah. Yeah. Phoenix something. That because I want to get my boobs done because I'm thinking the boobs are a bit old now, maybe should get them checked.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

Yeah, I think it's well, I had all my moles done recently as well. Because back in the day, idiot over here wouldn't put anything on other than like oh caroton oil. Ridiculous Yeah, oil. And so I I do, I just think, especially when you have kids and you're probably the same, yeah, I need to be around for as long as possible.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:40

Yeah. So that's well, the thing I think about need to be around as long as possible is my bone health, my bone density. That's why we've got our weight train. You've got to go away. We have to, it's so key. Yeah. Speaking of weight training, we both go to the same gym. I always see you on the TV cooking.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

Every time I'm doing my salad place.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:01

I just I don't train, I'm not a nice person. I'm really grumpy.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:06

I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:07

Three or four days is the longest I can go. And then Tom's like, we just throw some heavy stuff around, please, because you're a nightmare.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:12

No, it is good. And I like UP because I go in there, it's dead professional, I'm busy all day having to make decisions, and I go in there and I just follow an instruction. And just take and they know that. I can take my brain out. Yeah. And they know what I want. They know I don't want traps, they know I don't want to look big. There's no point me doing lats or like loads of lats anyway, because they know I want sculpted arms, they know I want great legs and function. And you do look insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:37

You look amazing. And I do have to mention before we go, I know I'm waffling, I have to mention your golden pill.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

Oh, yeah, please do.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:45

Which one maybe I've been on two years at least. Game changer. Absolute game changer. And you know how I feel about it from somebody that has really struggled with their hormones.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:59

And I mean, my luteal phase has been so rough in the past. Like Tom will just disappear that week. He's like, I can't be around you. But the difference that I saw in my energy levels, libido, kind of all-round well-being around that time was vast. And I've not, you know, well, you know, I've not stopped taking it.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:22

Yeah, I think I just find it because keeps me calm. Like when she's booting off, the most heartbreaking thing is like when she's booting off at me, I think, God, I've taken a day off work just to be with you, and I've planned a lovely day every time, and then you've just been an absolute arsehole to me. Like to the point where I was in tears the other day, and I was just thinking, oh, but yeah, and there's on a Saturday morning I take three of them because I'm just like and a magnesium because I just know I get that. I want to keep karma because I don't want to like snap and flip. I've got my genetics told me I've got a tendency to flip.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

Oh really?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:57

If I yeah, if I go to like once I flip, it takes me a long time to come down from it as well. Right. But it takes me a lot to flip though. Because I'm quite chilled and I've I can deal with pressured situations. I'm not like an anxious person or a peeper pleaser and I'm like not that at all. Yeah. Quite confident. But once I've got to that point of like, right, I'm at my limit now, you know, it can be hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:22

I get that. Yeah, I get that. And also parenting is the most stressful thing in the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:27

Most rewarding, most brutal thing I've ever done.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:29

Completely. Hand me 20 scenes in one day, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:35

I'll do it. But sometimes when I'm parenting, I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna, I'm gonna break. This is it's so intense. And I think you're right. And I do think, and I I take your magnesium at night, as as you know, another game changer just to help me, help me come down from level 10. Once I finish work, I always take it in the evening with my dinner. Once I've finished work, some people have a glass of wine. No, I'm the same as some of your magnesium and just give myself a minute that we are at that fast pace. We're that flight or fight mode. And I know that you and I both have a lot of responsibility on our shoulders and a lot to think about. And I think doing those little things really helps to keep us in a safe place mentally and physically.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

Definitely. It's just something I do for me. I'm the same as you. I will spend on my wellness because it's the only thing that I'm interested in. But I just see the net benefits like overall. Like mentally, I'm a better person the next day, more productive. I just couldn't even imagine, just even I have friends that are like, yeah, let's have like they have just have like three gear and tonics quite regularly, four, three, four times a week. And I'm just like, you're just making life harder for yourself tomorrow, and it ain't easy anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:52

For sure. Putting those toxins in. I remember listening to Abby Clancy talk about the golden bill, and I was like, Yes, all of those things. Yeah. You must be absolutely buzzing because it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:03

And what's interesting is we've had like seven people of note buy it recently, and five of those people are looked at, and they're like, they're all like doing supplements for other people. I was like, oh my god. So I the thing for me was like, I know that when they really want supporting, they come to us. Do you know what I mean? When they want the results, so that's a little bit of a kudos. But no, we've got really good stuff coming up. Um the prof is just amazing. We've just had we've got another independent professor reached out, a guy called Professor James Frame. I don't know if I can mention his name, I sure can. Um he was so bowled over by the collagen, the tripeptide, everything. He's just written about it in a British medical journal. So this guy used to be the Queen's consultant.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:51

Yeah. So he's like no joke of a guy. And he was like completely independent, just came through. And I was like, Yeah, of course you can do that. Please, actually, please, can you do it? It's your attention to detail just speaks volumes and so that's exciting. And then we've got a new product coming out, hopefully in September. And the only thing that's I could have it out tomorrow if I was willing to accept some shit packaging, but I'm not. Uh, and I I've been to China, been to Italy, all over, trying to find something that looks as glamorous that could be in Harrods, right? But put it in the nutrice space. Because I feel like there's a real disconnect between health products that don't look good, that you know, let's make them look like gorgeous beauty products. Well, finding a manufacturer that has both accreditation for beauty like cosmetics and health food or food grade is virtually impossible. I found one, so they are then having to make it from scratch, which means moulds, which mold alone was five grand. Then you've got to doing testing, and then to for to be found find out, right? I've done sagas on this, so this is nothing new information. But when I sent it to the manufacturer, because of the way I designed the bottles like that, because it's cool, he was like, it needs to be like that for our machine. I was like, Fuming. What are you talking about? Oh, I've just spent a fortune on this mould. So now I've had to get another piece made for the machine that makes it upright so the machine can fill it with the solution. Oh, fucking brilliant. Or because I've decided to make a cool packaging. That is it's I mean, if Alan Sugar.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:28

But I bet it looks insane. It does. Knowing you, I bet it's not.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:31

It does, but you know, if Alan Sugar or any like, you know, ruthless open different nerves listening to this, he'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Get the product out, get moving, get going. Like if that was the case, I could should have done it last year.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:44

It's important, and you've nailed it with all your other products.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:47

So no, this is a real been a labour of love, honestly. Nearly two years in on this bastard packaging. Right. And then they got told today that the dipstick's not long enough. So I was like, right, another problem. Oh anyway, there you go. But that's a perfect place to wind up today. Well, thank you so much for coming in, Kath. Not at all, I've loved it. Yeah, thank you so much. And uh can't wait to see you on Corrie a bit more.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:12

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:12

And everything else we've got coming up. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:14

Thanks, darling, really appreciate it. Thank you.