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Chelsee Healey : Motherhood, Mental Health & Life Beyond TV

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Chapters:
00:00 Meet Chelsea Healey
00:56 Back to Waterloo Road
01:45 Dancer at Heart
02:47 Strictly Final Memories
04:00 Dancing on Ice Disaster
05:35 Reality TV Detours
07:42 Hollyoaks Breakthrough
09:01 Typecast and New Roles
10:51 Acting Industry Anxiety
16:34 Rags the Label Struggles
22:39 Marketing and Network Hacks
27:59 Mental Health and Drinking
29:52 Friendships and Nightlife Then
30:42 Social Media and Youth
31:07 Off Campus Obsession
32:46 New Partner and Family
34:32 Postnatal Depression Story
36:47 Making Time and Travel
39:33 Creative Ambitions Writing
43:22 Golden Pill Benefits
45:02 Women Business and Funding
49:01 Politics Taxes and Leaving
51:54 Collagen Bet and Hustle
53:39 Whats Next and Live Selling
56:02 Podcast Wrap Up


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SPEAKER_00

Welcome back to the Else World Podcast, and today's guest is actress and entrepreneur Chelsea Healy. So she became a household name in Waterloo Road as Janice. Is that right? Janice Brain. Janice.

SPEAKER_02

Janice.

SPEAKER_00

Then she reached the Strictly Come Dancing Final. Then she started in Hollyoaks, launching a career and her own fashion brand, which I really want to get into. And now she's returning to Waterloo Road for its 20th anniversary, all while raising two daughters. So welcome to Chelsea. Thank you for having me. Thanks for coming in. So, first of all, um, yeah, like I said there, you've had an unbelievable career. Um, I think I first came across you in Hollyoaks. Probably, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, you know, you were just incredible on that. You really were. You were perfect for the role. And yeah, just loved it. Grew up kind of watching you, and then obviously you went to Waterloo Road. Yes. And then you had a at some time away, and now you've gone back into it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so it's so funny because it was the 20th anniversary this year as well. It feels like a proper full circle moment. Like, I think I filmed that. I think I started Waterloo Road when I was 15, I want to say. So I kind of grew up on that show. Um, and then in in the show, I had I gave birth to a daughter, not in real life, this is Janice. Um, so however many years on, I'm sure it's about 2013 or John Straight Left, 2001. 2012 I left. So um my daughter's now started at the school, so they've brought me back. So it just feels like a really special full circle moment. I feel so grateful, and you know, that I can go back and bring Janice back to life.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01

And so what like have you always wanted to be an actress? No, I wanted to be a dancer, right? I feel really lucky because I've got to be able I was able to obviously I don't I'm going a bit ahead here, but I'd run straightly, so I got to dance then, and that was that is still like I miss it so much. Yeah, that was like the dream. I feel back then I had like no anxiety issues, you know. I've I've lived life now, and I don't think that I'd be able to do that show now. Really? No, I'm just a nervous wreck. Really? Yeah, no, I feel like I've got an old job, I've had a lot of life experience, um, and I'm not I'm I'm not as out there as what I used to be.

SPEAKER_00

I don't feel I feel like though, if you were like did strictly now or something, you're in that strictly bubble where you're very much protected, but you're also like regimented. It's like, oh, you've got to do this on this day, you've got to be here, you've got to be at rehearsals, and everything's mapped out for you. Yeah. And actually, great. It's almost like, oh, look, yeah, I've got to just have where I need to be at what time?

SPEAKER_01

Do you know what I'm saying? I feel because I was a lot younger then. So I was filming Waterloo at the same time as doing Strictly. So I would be in at Waterloo at six in the morning until seven, and then I'd be doing the dancing straight after. I don't think I've learned through that now. I mean, I've a full day at work and I'm finished. No, I agree with you. That it does get hard as you go on. No, then because I was young and you know, it's like for a girl of my age to be doing such an amazing show and Waterloo Road at the same time, like it was just a dream. I was so ambitious and it wasn't work back then. It's not now, by the way, can I very grateful, but you know it's you did really well in it.

SPEAKER_00

You got to the final. Yeah, uh second.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know how again, I don't think I'd get that far if I was to do it now. You've done dancing pretty much all your life then. Yeah, yeah. I've always had rhythm. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I always knew how to slut drop on um on a dance floor in the club. No, but it's well, you got you did really well. Close, you know, close core between you and Harry George. Yeah, yeah. He was a deserving winner as well. He was amazing, Haret. Um, but I definitely should have won him. Of course, of course.

SPEAKER_00

And then you did dance on ice. I don't want to speak about that one. That was that was like the the the lowest time because the ice.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Oh no, I'm good on my feet. On the ice is a completely different story. Well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_00

So you've got rhythm, you know, dancing, yeah. You would have thought that like you would have like, I don't know, all those skills would have transferred really well to the duck to water, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Uh water off a duck's back. Is that what it is? But you know what? The technique with um being on the ice and dancing is completely different. So on the ice, you've always got to keep a bent bent knee, so bent legs, so you literally bent like is that what it's like? Like tense and yeah, and like just bending, whereas dancing's very like straight legs, points, and so the technique, and because I've had a habit like of all them years of dancing, um, yeah, I just could not get that out of that out of my head. It's kind of it was built in me, you know. So yeah, that was uh it was horrendous, but I got through it. And I mean I was out the first week. I didn't want to mention it, you know. Eliminated first, but you gave it a good try. You can't be good at everything, no, exactly. But um, yeah, no, it was an experience, and again, really lucky to be able to experience that. And um, I had an amazing partner, so learning from the best is yeah, it was incredible, it just wasn't for me, and I'm good at saying, Do you know what? I'm it just won't for me. Yeah, you know, yeah. Um took it on the chin, and yeah, it was definitely my time to go. Have you done any other reality shows? Oh gosh, yeah. I've done quite uh so I've done celebs go dating. Yeah, don't really want to speak about that now because my fellow fellow mates me talking about that. Um celebs go dating.

SPEAKER_00

I've done a how but uh we don't need to talk about the love or anything like that after it, but celebs go dating. Like, did you realistically think, oh I'm gonna find the love of my life on this? Um I mean, are they just picking people that are gonna make good TV? That's how I feel.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe, yeah. Do you know what? I enjoyed it, it was a great job. I met some amazing people like Eric Catoner, David Potts was on mine, Megan McKenna, Pete Wicks. So as far as the job, it was great. Yeah. Um and no, no, do you know what? I go into every job putting my all into it and hoping for the best. So I had a really open mind on it, you know. Um I was a single mum at the time, and it was just something new. And I thought I need to kind of do something for me. Coco was like two at the time, so I thought, let's do it. What for got to lose, you know? And well, Kerry did find this time round. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Did find someone she's like terribly besotted with, didn't she?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm so happy for her. He seems really nice as well, so good on her.

SPEAKER_00

I can't say I keep up much with them, but um like got my head down and everything. Of course. Yeah, no, it's the it's it's awful in games, isn't it? And then so go on. So you did Slabs Go Dating. Have you done anything else?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'd done a show called um The Real Dirty Dancing, which was great as well. That sounds amazing. So I got to perfect. Yeah. I forget where it was filmed now, I'm sure it was Plymouth. Was it? What else begins with a P? Portsmouth. Portsmouth! I think it was Portsmouth, um, but that was a great cast as well, like Arj Saffron. Um, and so basically they had cloned, like they'd um found a property that was exactly like the real dirty dancing set, so it was amazing. So we got to spend like three weeks down there learning the dances, and and that was great. I really enjoyed that one. Anything to do with dancing, um I'm in all tolls, like, but yeah, no, that one was fun. And how did you get your break kind of like in Hollyoaks?

SPEAKER_00

You were young at the time, really.

SPEAKER_01

So, do you know what they've written the part in for? Yeah, so Peter Hunt, the casting director, is amazing, but it's so funny because I worked with his partner on Waterloo Road all the years ago, and I think he kind of got in contact with my agent and said, Look, we'd love to see Chelsea. Um, so I went in, read a script, and you can tell you get a vibe when you know it's going well. Um, New Me Lines off by art, can't do that now. But no, I went in and come out, and I felt really good about it. I thought, you know what, I feel like that went well. And then within like a day, my agent got a phone call to say they'd love to offer you a part and they're gonna write you in. And then the next conversation was you're gonna be in McQueen. So I was like, buzzing, yeah. I think if I wanted to start on Holly Oaks, that would be the family that I'd want to be in. So yeah, that was amazing. Again, really, really lucky. Yeah, I've had like quite a few of the Holly Oaks girls on the pod.

SPEAKER_00

I think Steph's done it, and she's great, Steph. Gemma Murna. Oh, yeah. I think Sarah Jane Dunn's coming on.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, amazing, yeah. And they're all they're all doing so well as well. Yeah, it's nice to see, you know, when people do leave and they're they're doing amazing and they're happy.

SPEAKER_00

So do you ever feel like you get typecast?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like as well with me, I think I'm naturally fun. No, but I've got good um comedy timing. Um look at me bigging myself up. Well, you've got it shitty.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I'll be honest, I think you're definitely more suited to something like that than maybe like the Royal Shakespeare company. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it comes naturally. I don't even have to act less. Every um every part that I've got, yeah, it's been very smooth. It's not really been a challenge, you know. Um, but I do think within the acting industry, you know, um my auditions and that are all for comedy parts or for sketty girls, you know, um just parts that I know I'm good at. I'm not a sketch though, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um so yeah, it's not really acting. No, I know. It's uh no, you came across really well and you you're brilliant at it. But is there any kind of roles that you'd like love to do that you think, oh I want to really stretch myself?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, so I do feel this is really um going back to Waterloo Road now, it's not just the funny Janice, and you know, you do see parts of comedy, but I am playing like a much serious, I'm a mother, you know. Um I don't think that I can say too much with the storyline, but when it comes on in September, you'll see what I mean. About I've I've had to really challenge myself. The scripts are amazing, and it is the character now you know, there's been storylines where I'm very much out of my comfort zone, but it's good. I love that. I love you know, um being challenged, and so yeah, that's been amazing. I would love to do like a Harlan Coben.

SPEAKER_00

I was that was my next question.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say amazing, yeah, and I love T Davis as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I had Kath Tilsley on a couple of weeks ago, and I was saying, how's like the landscape changed then? Like with acting and everything. Has it made it better, these streaming services coming in? Do you think there's more jobs available? Because she was like, I'm I'm just seeing like the opposite happening in the industry. I'm seeing brilliant actors not getting any single work at all anymore.

SPEAKER_01

It's it honestly, I do think obviously for actors and actresses, it's um it's such a scary time, you know. Um, and do you know what? I've had a few breakdowns recently because being in the industry since I was young, I think I got my first job like when I was 12. So I've always worked. Um, and I've gotten to a point now that you know it's not gonna be there forever, it's not gonna last forever. You don't know if you're gonna get a renewed contract. And I've had a few moments when I've been like, I think I actually filmed a video like the other week of me speaking to camera just being so raw and honest and real that like I've not got anything else. Like, obviously, I do rags and we'll we'll speak about that soon. But what else have I got under my belt? And it's such a scary thought. You know, my responsibility is that I've got two daughters now, and um I've never took work for granted because there was a point when I did come out of Strickler and I didn't work for a while um acting, um, and that was so worrying. So since then I've do you think reality TV harms your acting prospects? Oh it can do, it can, um for sure. It kind of depends what path you do want to take. Um I love acting, like it is obviously a passion of mine, it's where my heart is, but I know that that's not gonna last forever, and it's such an unstable industry to be in that um you just never know. And then when a reality show does get in contact, you know, and you've got a mortgage and what to pay, it's you've just got to uh think with your head, and I don't do that very often.

SPEAKER_00

I always say this to Kelly because like we we go and see plays or theatre or whatever, you know, and I'm always like, How do these people like get mortgages? It's just nice, it really is, yeah. An unstable career, yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

And even if you're in the top 1% of the world, it's you know it's so scary, and even with Holly Oaks, you would get offered like a year contract with Waterloo, it's a six month, so it's it's shorter, and you know, my head is completely it never switches off thinking, right, what can I put my hand to, you know. Um so yeah, I even on the the video that I I filmed, I got so emotional because it's like, what am I gonna do? You know, it's such a I don't want to get upset, but it's a really, really scary thought. There's bills to pay, and I've always said I would never want my babies in this industry. I don't think I'm gonna be able to stop Coco because she's a performer, but um, you know what? It's I kind of want to steer them away.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's just never promised. No, uh Steph Warin said the same thing. She was like, she did start crying actually when she was here, she's just like I'm just completely lost, I don't know what to do. It's so hard.

SPEAKER_01

It is, and it's um it's so hard.

SPEAKER_00

And the thing is the perception of people, things like you Bruce does millions. Do you know what I mean? Because you're on TV. And maybe if you were like in the heyday, maybe in the 80s, Coronation Street, yeah, you were like like proper bona fide celebrities back then, where yeah, 80s, 90s, noughties, even when there wasn't there was only four channels, five channels max, you big paydays, you were tied into these great contracts. People would be like, if they saw you down the street, but now with social media and it's just taking it.

SPEAKER_01

You know what? I I think it's amazing, you know, everything that is on social media now. I do feel for the generation of, you know, um, like say if he was in a soap all them years ago, like they were the superstars. Yeah, like I remember I used to see Jen Metcalf and Brooke Vincent. I'm like, oh my god. And now I know him, like I knew I knew Brooke back then, I've known Brooke a long time, but now like the it is everything has just changed so much. Yeah. So people trying to get into my reality and me, my social media. I'm trying to turn my hand to different things and just wanting people to see me for me, and you know, and getting to know me a little bit better than just characters that I've played over the years on TV. So definitely.

SPEAKER_00

I also think like, I mean, I speak to a lot of uh of you ladies, I'm gonna put you all in similar sort of bracket, kind of like your soap stars or whatever, who allow a bit like, oh, where would it, what am I doing, doing a bit of reality TV, like Helen Flanagan, people like that. Yeah, and sometimes I do think you all get badly advised. I look at it from brand positioning sometimes, and I think who is letting you do that? Or I know you've probably got paid like like maybe over the odds for that, but that'll be it. You're not like you'll never get any more work again because now you've been with that brand. Kelly, honestly says to me, if you ever give Helcer Ruy what you should do, Elisa, is look after these girls because you would just be You're just so on it. Yeah. I need you in my life.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, you're not getting rid of me now.

SPEAKER_00

No, I know, because I do see like some golden opportunities getting wasted, and I honestly think it's because you've got like these TV agents who just are like do what they do, and that's the way the industry works, but they're not thinking about the bigger picture. Oh, yeah, and they're not brand side, and they're not, yeah, and I'm just like you're screwing them, they're over. But they don't know they're doing that, you know what I mean. I see it for what it is sometimes.

SPEAKER_01

You're so on it, your business, you know, your work ethic is just out of this league. You've done amazing.

SPEAKER_00

Well, let's come on to your now entrepreneurial journey, uh, which is the right thing to do, by the way. So you're absolutely right, you've got to pay the bills. Yeah, but listen, being an entrepreneur is a huge risk. Oh, for sure. Huge risk.

SPEAKER_01

I have sleep sleepless nights over that brand, honestly. A fashion is tough, so hard. Um, I'll be honest, me and my sister are just having a little bit of a break now. I've pumped so much money into it, and it's been how long? Four years, I think we launched, four or five years, and I'm not seeing that much back.

SPEAKER_00

You're not seeing the return on the investment. No, not right now.

SPEAKER_01

That isn't absolute. I was gonna speak about it. We don't kind of want to pull the plug on it, but we're just taking a break, coming with a new strategy, um, working with new suppliers, um, and just going from there. So we will be dropping Christmas time, but we haven't had a drop since since Christmas.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe that's the way to go. You do the quarterly drops or something like that.

SPEAKER_01

And um maybe not as much stock. Yeah. So just kind of do like what, two pieces per collection, and yeah, just kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_00

It's yeah, it it's very, very difficult. The the thing you're up against is the way I see it with fashion, and I speak to people who've got like multi-million pound fashion brands, the returns fucking kill cash flow. Yeah, returns kill it, trying to get it out there.

SPEAKER_01

Um, and then if you sell on TikTok shop or anything like that, TikTok takes a shitload of I also found when we was do um selling on TikTok that people had said that they hadn't received the item, so then it'd automatically refund them and then we're stuck without an item. They have actually got it. And they don't give away like it's very difficult for us more than it's like. I do just feel that we're not giving up, we're gonna keep going. Um and I believe in it, I believe in it so much. I feel like I kind of jumped into it, didn't know anything about business. Um, and I'm like kind of kind of like a headless chicken, but everything that I have learned from them for five years, I'm gonna put that straight into you know what I know now and and put my best foot forward and just keep going, but just sensibly keep the brand, restrategize it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Can you teach me that as well?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, not that I know what I'm doing. You're amazing, you've done absolutely unreal. You you inspire man, you're amazing. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

You inspire me, but you do, you're amazing, and I think, yeah, you you need to it is difficult. Yeah, I'm not a natural well I don't all all I am is a natural marketeer, I think. Really? Yeah, and that I I don't know figures, I don't know anything, but because I know I don't know that I get people around me who do know that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so it's like I have uh I did learn that one thing that you lack in, you get them in, and you know, yeah. And and the other I don't actually know what I'm good at though, within the brand good at the design. You're good at design. You're the face of the business and you're gonna be the number one promoter. I'm so passionate about it, and it's so hard in this day and age with all the brands that are out, and I don't think that we launched at the right time, it was after COVID, and yeah, so there's a lot of things that just you know need tweaking, and yeah, I know it but fashion is tough.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I personally would think of nothing worse than running a fashion brand.

SPEAKER_01

I literally said as well, like I've had so many, oh, I don't want to get upset, but you know, when you feel like a bit of a failure, I think because I tried so hard with it and I thought, you know what, we're gonna do well. And uh probably my head was in the clouds, and you know, I was a bit delusional, but I've definitely not.

SPEAKER_00

There is so like people can do it, like you can do it, like there's no question about it. You a thousand percent can do it. You just need to look at what your level of success is. Are you selling product? Yes, I would say that's a successful business. Yeah, the things that are killing you are probably your margins, yeah. Where who are your suppliers, yeah, and how much you're spending on marketing, or are you not spending enough on marketing, or your distribution, and even your suppliers? Like, I remember speaking to one girl who I know really well, even just um her switching her fabric supplier would save her an extra 40%. Yeah. And if she now buys the exact same fabric through this warehouse instead, but it's knowing tips and tricks like that, which then adds into the margins. But you don't know what you don't know, and sometimes if you're not buying in big enough volume, you're not gonna get that. I don't know, those discounts on it. Um but it's tough, but it definitely can be done. Yeah, you've built the brand, you've done a good job of it, you've got some loyal followers.

SPEAKER_01

We get so many messages as well. And do you know what we did find that we was building a community? We definitely need to do more with our community that would keep coming back and buying each um collection. And so it's the building the community we definitely need to do more of. And we get so many messages asking, you know, when you next drop in, and yeah, so I do think just keep going and believing in what you do. I'm definitely passionate about it.

SPEAKER_00

And I would do like So there's loads of like events in Manchester and you could really I I think if people were like if you were like live next to people almost like you know like doing pop-ups. Yeah, you could. You could not spend any money on marketing and then you there you go bang done sale. Like do you know what I mean? I would be doing loads of them. Yeah. Yeah, no, I am get product in people's hands, let them try it on, whatever, buy it then and there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And it's just getting myself busy with the girls and yeah. I'm so on it, and it's just strategizing and being and doing what I need to be doing.

SPEAKER_00

So would you design a new collection now for Christmas? Maybe drop it then. Yeah, yeah, we're in that now. And then how how do you do your marketing?

SPEAKER_01

Are you gonna bring people in on that journey of like so my the marketing that I would be doing would be literally just me promoting it on my Insta or then we'd send stuff out like we had Sam Fayers in it and she looked beautiful. Um so that's kind of the only marketing we were doing the paid, paid ads collabs, don't know how well that done.

SPEAKER_00

I wouldn't bother with that, any of that just yet. Just yeah because you wouldn't let that yeah. You're such a personable girl, you've got a fantastic network of girls that you already know who have got big followings who I know would do you favours. Yeah, you know, loads of influencers, loads of Instagram models, almost like seeding. Yeah, and the way I would do it is like send it me where it's this event, send it back. Yeah, right, okay.

SPEAKER_01

I need to pay you on this. This is like a business meeting.

SPEAKER_00

Oh every week it turns into this, doesn't it? You're a fucking powerhouse. Because they only want to wear it once, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You've then got residual stuff, and we're not we're not losing out on anything.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and then people are wearing it, sending it back, whatever. And I'm sure most people will be happy with that. I know there's another girl that I know who does that. Yeah, she's like, yeah, I'll dressing for an event, I'll tailor it, whatever. You might know her, actually. I think you've probably worked with her. You know, Carrie from Renee Kay.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, oh I wish she. Yeah, she's good. Oh, give her my love. Yeah, yeah. But she's done me a few dresses, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So that's how she works, doesn't she? She'll send it to you and they'll say, Send it back.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, um, definitely. But yeah, we need a meeting other than this, please. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because I would just utilise your network. All these fashion brands that start off, by the way, haven't got what you've got. You have got some secret weapons that everyone would want, including me, right? Your network is the route to market. Yeah. I wish I had it. I wish I had your just like your kind of like profile.

SPEAKER_01

That makes your yours so much more special that you know. Oh, really? It's a short no, that's achievement. No, because well, oh what do you know what I mean? Like how hard you work to build it to where it is and you didn't have them advantages. I think that's like so inspiring. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but it's and even I've got a bit of a following and still can't get anywhere.

SPEAKER_01

It's only because you're not you're not thinking about it right now.

SPEAKER_00

And they have exactly the same conversations with uh who doesn't listen to you, mate, with Quinny.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, but him and Nikki are doing amazing, aren't they? Yeah, the boy's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

I know, but I was like, why aren't you the face of your business? He's like, No, I don't want it to be, I don't want to be. I was like, You are the best. Because he does do PC now. No, he does um he does supplements. Oh wow, I never knew. Yeah, and that's why. There you go. I've seen him like I've seen Nikki's tag and stuff, but I never knew that that was his. So he started that before I started elsewhere. Wow. But he would never put his face in front of the camera. And I was like, Well, what are you doing? Yeah, get your face and he's never knew. Since your dad later started doing it, yeah, yeah. He refuses to come on the podcast though. Oh no, well, you'll get him here if you've got him on the face. Give it a bit of time. Oh yeah. Um, but yeah, it's your biggest marketing tool, user. Yeah. Bring us in other journey.

SPEAKER_01

And I do know what as well. I know that I mean I'm not blunt, but I'm a likable girl and I can relate to girls, and I'm kind of I feel like I'm quite real in that sense. So yeah, I'm just gonna.

SPEAKER_00

But your whole thing is TV. Why aren't you making like a TV show about you and the trials and tribulations of like you're practically in tears here telling me how tough it is? I know. Do an episode on that.

SPEAKER_01

Really? I'm ranked the label. But would I have to film it myself?

SPEAKER_00

I'm not good at like shooting it. I'm sure you know someone with your TV commentary, yeah. A bloody runner who's decent on with an iPhone who could sort it for you.

SPEAKER_01

No, I do. I know a lot of content girls, so I mean I'm getting on that, but then it'd be just a show, people be like, oh my god, what is this girl doing?

SPEAKER_00

If they know TV, if they know soap TV, I can tell you now, uh like fuck, I I think about this all the time myself, by the way. And again, if I had your contacts because I've got to bring, right, okay, you're a fucking soapwriter, come in, we're gonna do a show about Rags the Label. Yeah, the trials and tribulations of what it actually takes to run a fashion band. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Good, because I'll be in your case until you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_01

Or either that or it's a plot, but you don't you won't know until you try. And that's my thing. Do you know what? What have I got to lose, you know?

SPEAKER_00

You know, there's dynamics between you and your sister, you're a mother, yeah, trying to run a business. You're also hard. It is hard. It's I trust, trust me, it is sad.

SPEAKER_01

I just think life in general, like everyone's going through so much as well, you know, and you don't need to be posting about it, but everyone is just fighting something that you know nothing about. I always say if I was to throw my problems in the air, like I'd be glad to catch my own, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Like we're so lucky, and I yeah, I I just feel as long as everyone's happy and healthy, exactly, everything else is really achievable. Yeah, and we'll get through it, yeah. You know, and sometimes you just need to be in the right rooms with the right people, and your look can change.

SPEAKER_01

For sure. I just feel like I'm constantly like I really struggle with my mental health anyway. And there'll be like there'll be at least two times a month where I'm on the floor and I can't get out of bed, and you know, and it's like that, and I just feel I just need to keep fighting through it and just knowing that the end is gonna be where I am now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it it is tough for women because we're just not linear creatures, no, you know what I mean. Men are just like that all the time, they don't get these emotional emotional waves, yeah. But um, yeah, it's uh it it is difficult. It's tough. Honestly, yeah. I I underslept last night and then I was just a rat bag this morning with a little girl, no patience.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, and it's when with the when we're well rested, we can be the best mums, you know. It's not even that, even having a drink now. I can't do it because you know, when I get a problem that comes, I'm on the floor with it, and I'm like, how the hell do I deal with this? Whereas if not, I've got the right edge go, I've got the right edge going on, and I'm like, right, we're gonna attack it, you know. When you just run at it then full throttle, whereas drink just cannot handle it mentally no more. Like I really, really and it's not even the hangovers, it's how I gives you them in a really dark place. Yeah, it's just I think oppressive, it is, and it's it's so good that you know I'm at a time now where I notice that and I'm like, you know, that is not worth my head. It's just not worth sunny day, chicken wine, not worth it. No, no, it really isn't, and I I I feel like that's growth because years ago I had a problem, I'd go and have a drink. Yeah, if I had some good news, go and have a drink. Whereas now I'm like mm-mm, and that is I think that for me has come with age, you know, and for me to be in a good space and uh a light, you know, light stuff going on in my head, I need to cut that out.

SPEAKER_00

How do you does has your friendship shit uh circle changed because you've gone a bit more that way?

SPEAKER_03

Oh no one.

SPEAKER_01

No, I no, I do have my good, good, good friends, um, but they're kind of in the same boat. I think it's that years of you know going out and drinking. I think it's our generation. I think years to come it really does affect you.

SPEAKER_00

And um look at it now, like there's nowhere to go anyway. Like it's dead, isn't it? Fucking hell, it's be out like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. How did we do it?

SPEAKER_01

No, I know the fort dreads me like with Ember. Oh my god. Yeah, oh it was the best. I used to go to Icon in Bolton on a Thursday, Kingdom. Was it Kingdom? Oh Newsbar, what am I on? News Bar Thursday in Liverpool, sick, and it's like you don't. Well, these places don't exist anymore. No, but I think the whole world doesn't even do it. The whole generation's just changed, like all the young girlies, they're doing the matches and the content and everything. I mean, I'm glad for my kids. I mean, social media, I've got my my thingy about that with kids anyway, you know, my daughters, but um the fact that they're not going out and they're not going as hard as what our generation did, it gives me a bit of hope.

SPEAKER_00

I know, I know. I don't know, and I've told everyone about this this morning. Have you watched on Prime off campus yet? No, what is it? Oh, we've got is it gorgeous. I I was like, yeah, this looks like a load of shit. Like TARMCO. And I'm like obsessed with it. I'm absolutely obsessed with it. But it's is it a series? Yeah, series is college kids in um in America, yeah. And I don't know, it's very raunchy. Oh, I love that, yeah, and I'm like obsessed with it. Yeah, I'm gonna watch that. But it's not just I need to remind me, I need to put that in.

SPEAKER_01

Put it on Insta.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and every 40-year-old woman is obsessed with it. Yeah, here it is. Oh, sick. I mean, not only is every single member of the cast absolutely gorgeous, but like everyone's having these un what's the word, like unclean thoughts about this guy. I think the algorithm is just this guy.

SPEAKER_01

That's because of what is that's so funny. What's he called? What's the actor called?

SPEAKER_00

He's called Belmont Canelli. We've been just googling him, haven't we?

SPEAKER_01

How long's this been out for? Is it only a few weeks? Oh wow, okay. I bet that's changed his life, that job. Of course it has. Don't think he has to worry about not working. No, bloody hell.

SPEAKER_00

So uh, so yeah, and they bring him out of season two.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I'm gonna get on that. I'm gonna watch it. So good. Look at you can't remember the point. So good. Carl, like, keep thinking about this guy to just make him off the off the TV.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know what's happened to him, dude. He's just all busted. I know. But uh, but you've just got you've got a uh new partner now.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yeah, he's my world, he's amazing, he's the most supportive man, um, the best dad. Yeah, I just could not do life without him. Oh where did you meet? Um, so through a friend, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we met through a friend. We kind of went on a blind date because we hadn't met. He gave my number to to him and he messaged me, and then we went, yeah, and then he knocked on my door and I thought, oh, I don't know. But um, no, and yeah, uh he's he's the best. He's like he's our rock, and he's yeah, he's amazing.

SPEAKER_00

How long have you been together now? Got about three years, three years in September.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, so I think we were together a year and we got pregnant. So that's not long. But yeah, it's the best thing I ever done. Actually, before meeting him, I didn't want no more children. I was good with just me and Coco. Um, and I met him, and yeah, I wanted more kids and I want more now. Oh, do you? I'd love for. I just yeah, I love the chaos, I love the madness, I love I love the kids, like they're just my world and my youngest. You know, I always thought it was a myth. The second child, um, it is not a myth. Totally different like stages of your life though as well. Yeah, exactly. Like I'm growing up, and um I just feel like with Coco, I don't remember much when she was a baby, and it breaks my heart, and that's because I was younger, and yeah, whereas cooking, like the moments like I cherish my moments with Coco now, but back then I was just it was all a bit of a blur, yeah. And um I'd split up with Coco's dad, and yeah, it was just whereas now it's like I'm older, you know, the little moments are just everything. Yeah, again, I think that's come with age, and with maturity, definitely. Yeah, but mentally I really struggled after my second the worst cookie, like mental health, like postnatal depression, and um yeah, struggled throughout the pregnancy, whereas with cocoa I flew through it and after it I was just back to me again. How did the postnatal depression like show up for you? Oh um they actually had we had to go into um C-section really early just because I was on the floor um and I'd seen doctors, so that was throughout the pregnancy. I was I was really struggling with my mental health, and it got to a point where I was in to see the doctors like once a week and they was really worried about me. Um so they said, How would you feel about us delivering the baby tomorrow? I said, Yeah. So um that was that, and then it didn't get no lighter after cooker. It's just really dark, dark times for me. Yeah, but it's not put me off. No, I think what it's brought now, and now I'm out the other end, I'm like, Yeah, I'd love to do it again. I want to get going. What's that? I do, yeah. And how does he fella? You can't wait, he's so hands-on, he's just like, it's like so. He was in the Marines for like 12 years, my partner. So he's very like on it, regimental. So I don't even think I'd done one night feed. He was fantastic, yeah. He's up, he's at it, is we go out in the in the morning.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, he's like bags packed, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I think with Almax was like, it was just it made everything just that little bit lighter for me. But yeah, bags packed out the door, yeah, he's sick. And Marina be efficient, yeah. Yeah he's good at throwing me about as well. He's very strong, but um no, he's uh he's the best dad, and I could not wish for anything else in a partner, he's brilliant. Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's lovely when you like get somebody who's like that. He's just he's proper, he's he he he just looks after us, and yeah, he's and it allows you to then I don't know, like sink into your like I don't want to sound too woo, but like femininity. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? If you've got that very masculine partner that's just got it under control.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Every woman deserves that. Do you find it difficult to like get time together with you two? Yeah, it's a nightmare. But do you know what saying that we're so lucky, like my mum's really supportive. His mum and dad are amazing, they're so supportive. So when needs be, but honestly, we just take the kids everywhere with us. Yeah, I love it. I feel lost when they're not with me. Um, but then we do need outbreak every now and then. So we will try and put like one night away at least um a month, and yeah, I'm the same.

SPEAKER_00

I really don't like doing more than three days without Grace. Yeah, it's so hard. Yeah, as I want to do, there's so many things I want to do. I want to go to China, I want to go to Korea, I want to do like Thailand, I want to do where else did I want to go? Oh, I want to go to this fitness retreat in Toulum for a week. Yeah, it's it's a week, and and I was like, oh, found a villa, it's like on site and everything. I thought, well, why can't I just take Grace? Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

How old's Grace?

SPEAKER_00

Three.

SPEAKER_01

Three.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's the best day. She's got a childminder, so I was thinking about taking the childminder with us. That'd be perfect to get it done.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and do you know what? You're in a position when you can, yeah. So why not? You know, yeah, and then you get her there as well. Exactly. You know what I mean? So when you are feeling a bit, she's there, and you can spend your time with her in that's perfect.

SPEAKER_00

Because that's the only thing I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_01

And but you're doing something for yourself as well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because life doesn't really have to change. You of course you have to adapt, and I love doing stuff with her, and I I try and take her like she gets the benefit of my I don't know what's the benefit of my success. Of course, because I'm doing it for as well. That's the thing. I'm like, well, I want to stay. You want to go to Pepper Pig World, yeah, and I want to stay in the four seasons in Hampshire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where we're staying. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But you can have your one. And it is, it's the freedom to be able to do things like that with the kids and you know, not have to second guess, oh well, I you know, it's that's why we work so hard and the ambition is through the roof. Yeah, it's the freedom and you know, and just letting our babies come with us and then be able to bin them off when we can. But no, um, that's that's what life's about, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Do you um what's your skip filming schedule like now?

SPEAKER_01

My schedule is gorgeous. Like this week I was in one day, next week I'm in one day, the week after that, I'm in two days. So it just gives me the flexibility to be able to do things like this, which is stunning, and I'm so happy to be here. But um just with the girls as well. Exactly. Yeah, because they grow up so fast, yeah. And honestly, I I I feel so grateful, and I I am very, very appreciative, but um, yeah, I just want to do more. Yeah, I've just got so much fire in me that I'm like, right, let's go. What else can I do?

SPEAKER_00

Put it on your vision board, manifest it. Yeah, listen. I always think as well, if I was um an actress or whatever, are you any good at writing? Or do you have like ideas? Do you know?

SPEAKER_01

I have a good sense of humour, but you can see I can't articulate myself very well. Doesn't mean you delight, but you're like my imagination is crazier, like scary crazy, but articulating and writing that down is not good.

SPEAKER_00

So I I just know that like the circles that you move in and the life that you probably lead and the people that you know, I just know that like you even if we're really slumber linking you in. Sorry, guys. Even if we sat down and wrote like a s a mini-series, you know you like Harlan Corbyn or whatever, but you could like write your own mini-series to like a star in it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it'd be chaos.

SPEAKER_00

It would be honestly kind of.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all one big shit show. People would love to see it. I know.

SPEAKER_00

But I used to work on stories. Oh, yeah. As a journal. Honestly, I it was just breathtaking. Really? Yeah. What what you'd what you'd see, and yeah. And I've got another world, you know. It's like they must be fucked up up there. She just couldn't believe it. And I was like, this should be a really good mini-series. Yeah, yeah. Do you mean I know footballers wives kind of did like a bit, but I was like, no, times have moved on and people don't really get it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be crazy to bring that back now. I'd love that. I'd love to play one of the wags.

SPEAKER_00

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But I feel like you need to like almost not even wags, but like, you know, look at like like Real Housewives of Cheshire, let's take that as an example, right? It's just like it's such a cartoon version of actually what we know goes on in the golden triangle. Yeah, and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But actually, if we've got the real stories, yeah. Or stuff that you know you've heard.

SPEAKER_01

Do you know what worries me though? If you do do that, it's more the generation that we're in now. Would that would it be allowed? Does that make sense? Oh, I I just think you've got a Of course it would, yeah. I think it would. I'd love it. I love stuff like that, but it's the younger gen and the Gen Z, and you know it's just the pen depends who who's bringing it to life and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00

Very true. It's I I honestly think there's listen, life is always stranger than fiction. Yeah. And I know the wildest of stories, even stuff that I hear just like from my own mates.

SPEAKER_01

I'm like, tell me more.

SPEAKER_00

Fucking hell, I could turn this into a book.

SPEAKER_01

I'll get my best acting shoes.

SPEAKER_00

But I'm a bit bloody busy at the moment. But honestly, if I if I gave up this business tomorrow or retired, whatever, that was what that would that is what I'd go into. Wow. Oh, it'd be sick, it'd be amazing. Writing with a view to writing a book to then become a miniseries. Wow. That's what I would do. And I'd be like, Chelsea, do you want to start?

SPEAKER_01

I've written a part for you. Oh my god, I'm like, I'm there. You don't need to ask me twice. Fucking stood outside like I'm here, I'm ready. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I uh I I honestly think there's so much, there's so much source of insper, but also that comes from the circles that you move in. Yeah. So yeah, I feel like you could do that as well. Me too. A bit of writing. Just believing in myself. Yeah. Definitely. I think that's the one thing that I hate. When I when I sit across from you similar, also quite similar girls, Helen, Steph. You know, like the belief in yourselves. Yeah. Because I'm always like, God, I wish I had what you had.

SPEAKER_01

Really? Yeah. I wish what you had. I wish I had what you had. Successful strive. No, striving. What's the word? Thrive. Striving. Thriving business that is just taking over. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

You are oh well, we should mention that you are one of our customers.

SPEAKER_01

Yes! The golden pill saved me. No, honestly, it really balanced me out. Yeah. It's so pretty as well. I think it's just genius, like the golden pill for a woman. Yeah. Yeah, I am one of your customers, and I do buy my subscription every week, every month. And how are you finding it? What does it do for you? For me, well, sex drive.

SPEAKER_03

You and you and Marine throwing it around.

SPEAKER_01

Because you know what? After the baby, like it completely went. I went on that as well just to help with my head and my mental health and balance. Me out, you know, I have much lighter days than darker days now, and that for me is amazing. Yeah, I'm the same.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it makes me like a better mum because I'm not as much of a record.

SPEAKER_01

Patience, and you know, it's just it, it just overall it just is it just does um like amazing for everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No, I absolutely love it, it just keeps me on an even curl. You must be so proud as well to invent something like that. Oh, I'd honestly I look back now, what's five years, and I just think I can't believe like, yeah, it's one thing having an idea, it's quite another. But you've like back in yourself, and not and not knowing what the hell you're doing, but having that belief in yourself, I suppose. And your product as well, yeah, yeah. And just risking it all to then be like, I'll give it a go. And thank god it was successful. Yeah, the best stories though, yeah, you know, and we're still striving every day, and my standards are extremely high. No, but that's good. Settle for nothing less than you know what you what you believe in in. Yeah, it's uh it's it's difficult when I see like you know, 25-year-old lads who are sitting in barley just scaling businesses, throwing out shit into the world in amazing thing. This generation, honestly, it's so scary. I know shit. But they haven't got the obstacles that I've got. No, like he he can just focus on his business. I've got kids, you've got the baby. Do you know what I mean? Like the partner, everything. Yeah, of course. It's um it is so much harder for females, entrepreneurs, and I know people go on about oh, well, women don't get any funding. I'm like, it's probably the reason they don't get funding. Yeah do you know what I mean? Because if I let's say I had £100,000 to give to somebody, and these banks and PE houses are giving far more much money than that. But let's say my own personal money, you've got two people there, one who's got two kids and is running a nice business, or a 25-year-old lad who is talking about scaling a business and he doesn't do anything else but have focus on the business. Who are you gonna give that hundred grand to?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, the mother.

SPEAKER_00

Him. No, I would though, but if you want to well, if you you're the bank and you want to return on investment.

SPEAKER_01

That's me, that's why I don't do well in business because my art's too big. I'm like the mother, she needs no, but yeah, because he's got all the time in the world. Cold like noise, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You want to return on your investment, yeah. Who's your best bet gonna be with? Yeah. And it's gonna be him every single time. Yeah. Because and I believe that's and and when I sit in these rooms of like I go to like Angel Investing, and I do invest in women, and I've invested loads in people, but um they I sit in rooms of women who all whinge about or we don't get investment. I'm like, how many investments have you personally made? And none of them do it. No, and I'm like, for the same reason that you don't want to do it, is the same reason that nobody gets it. That nobody that females don't get it as well. And so I'm like, that that's almost got to change. Yeah. Um, but it is it it is shit. And also, when you do have kids, let's say you started your business, this it happened to me, started your business, you're very aggressive, you're very ambitious. As soon as you have a kid, well, one, you need time off, two, your head's not in the game, and three, you become less ambitious.

SPEAKER_01

And time as well, right?

SPEAKER_00

You don't have as much time to put in because their priority is I had a hundred percent headspace to give to the business. And then when Grace came along, I like you know, she's taking 70% of my headspace.

SPEAKER_01

And never mind what's going on in your head and your hormonals today. So fun to be in a you become I literally just wouldn't do it, would you?

SPEAKER_00

No, it is tough. Well, the problem is it's tough because we've been sold this dreamers, we've got to do it all, you've got to be super successful, you've got to have a really good cover.

SPEAKER_01

And I think social media media has a play in that, or these boss women, and you know, or or if you do see the women, like you know, you see them from there to there, and you know, they're absolutely smacking it, but you never see the journey and what it took to get there.

SPEAKER_00

And the generation before us, yeah. Well, my mum's generation, really, like they probably still stayed at home, married, whatever, but yeah, a lot of them got divorced, and then we're like, fucked, what do we do? What do we do now? That's so it's so then kids see that and think that's not gonna be me. I need to have a great career. Yeah, so now everyone's leaving it very late in life to have kids because you're thinking oh well, I need to get this set up, I need to be financially stable without a man. Yeah, this is causing all these fertility issues because everyone's having assisted fertility later in life, and you know, and and obviously cost of living is going into that, and it is it's so difficult. The world has changed so much, it's so scary, and it changes so much in like 12 months with the with AI just booming now. Like what like you your kids aren't gonna have careers like no because of because of AI in the same way that's the same.

SPEAKER_01

I think even like yeah, they say in like 2028, aren't they? It's gonna be there's gonna be like no jobs in certain yeah, it's very stupid. What's the point going into accountances here getting off to Portugal, mate? Yeah, get me out of this country. I know why Portugal. Um taxes and it's stunning. I feel like Portugal you could make home. Yeah, I think Spain's a bit bait, you know. There's there's I know a lot of people have gone to Mallorca. Yeah, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And uh, but I know people have gone to Portugal at all.

SPEAKER_01

Portugal, uh, I love Portugal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I couldn't do Dubai.

SPEAKER_00

No, I couldn't. No, couldn't you? I don't see the point in Dubai.

SPEAKER_01

No, but yeah, Portugal and Mallorca you could make that home. Yeah. And as well, just a better life for the girls, yeah, for the kids, and yeah, I I I really do like Britain, he's just bad vibes.

SPEAKER_00

I know, and I'm I I really haven't got any faith in Andy Burnham either. Oh really? No, I really I don't really know much in politics, but I thought he was alright. He's a nice guy, but uh he's a career politician. Have you ever run anything? I'd actually like somebody who's actually run a business before or something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, to understand what we're watching.

SPEAKER_00

What's going on, economic crises, you know, let's taxes, everything is just This is why I liked Rishi. Properly uh an unpopular opinion here, but I I've got a real soft spot for Rishi. First of all, he gave me £50,000 to start this business. Wasn't that a fantastic investment for the UK government because I've paid millions of pounds back. He knew what he was doing, and that is like true capitalism, isn't it? So they gave me some money, I paid it all back with interest, but I have made millions and paid back millions in tax, in VAT, corporation tax, in personal tax, and I've employed people, and that is the circuit that that's how we do it, you know. But if you just tax and tax and tax me to death, I'm out. I'm going to Portugal, sorry. Yeah, and I really and I built a business here and really wanted to continue, but you take me too far because now all the risks that I've taken, what's the point? Because you're paying so much because I don't get anything at the end of it. It's killing my entrepreneurial spirit. Yeah, because if you're killing your ambition because you just think what what what is the point? Yeah, and I so I and I I I'm a true believer in you should pay tax in the country that you make the money. Yeah. Um but like now they're talking about like all the other taxes that they want to bring in, like the tax in ICEs, more. You can only used to be able to put £20,000 into an ICE, now it's gonna drop it to £120.

SPEAKER_01

You know, if um if like you leave the house for the kids and whatnot, you get taxes, yeah, cut an inheritance tax. No, I know. Oh, life.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it is it's worrying, it's really I know, but then I feel like it's first world problems a bit, you know, we're happy, we're healthy. We go back to that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. Um yeah, I always feel like there's gotta be a point, it's gotta be a nice balance because if well I know so many people like by the way, 25 times more wealthy than me, and I'm not wealthy at all, like my current account's got four call in it. I'm living in a house that's like falling down because of the no, you just decided to spend all of my money bringing out a brand new collagen supplement instead of going like a lot of people would have done and gone, I'll tell you what, I'll take that. No, but that's half a million and fucking put it into a gorgeous house, which I thought.

SPEAKER_01

We know that gorgeous houses come in because this is doing amazing before you get taxed and batted on it.

SPEAKER_00

It's delayed gratification, I hope. So I really do.

SPEAKER_01

But um you're doing amazing, sweetie.

SPEAKER_00

I know, because honestly, the house is like sweating with condensation at the moment. I've seen I've seen you pumped your house. No, but it's leaking everything. Tension is crazy. Attention's great. I'm just like, uh, but yeah, it's it's just difficult, really difficult. Um, yeah, um, just hoping a lot of people buy a lot of collagen.

SPEAKER_01

They will do, we all need it, guys.

SPEAKER_00

Honestly, I was like, this is it. This is gonna like change my life. This product, and I'm believing it that hard that I just know it will do. So that's why you know it's gonna be so worth it. I put my money with my mouth. Yeah, that's my personal money. There ain't no, yeah, there ain't no loan anymore. Paid that back. There ain't no investors, there's no bank, there's no nothing. I've decided to go, I'll live in the shithole because I know that it's gonna come back tenfold. I hope so.

SPEAKER_03

It will be hopeful, it will, it will, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But I maybe should start a TV show about that. I'm my own job.

SPEAKER_01

Just give me the garlic.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, it's uh it's all good.

SPEAKER_01

So, what's next for you then? Um hopefully baby making. Yeah, no, um, work-wise, finding myself, um, having more of a presence on social media, restrategising um rags, going hard with that for Christmas for the winter collection. Um, still at Waterloo, which is amazing. I'm very happy to be there. Being a mum, um, yeah, so if anyone wants to offer me a job, I'm even on ready. You know what? Genuinely as well.

SPEAKER_00

If all else fails, right, this is how I look at a view, right? If all else fails, then it won't anyway. But the biggest opportunity right now is live shopping and live selling. Yeah. And every single person in the world is looking for a shit hot presenter. Really? Yeah. I mean, I'm not hot. I'm maybe a bit shit, but can you imagine you doing like anything for a beauty brand, hair brand, like lucky hair? No one would love it.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, yeah, this is 24 inches of platinum length, guys. Best hair ever. Plug in my mates, bro. Yeah, you know, it's it doesn't look to me. Thank you. But yeah, this is the longest I've ever been, so yeah, I'm I'm liking it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So like like everyone's crying out for presenters. Where do I find them people that are crying out? I know a guy. Oh, I've got a guy's in Manchester as well. And they do big, so they're doing big um, so they do like live shopping on TikTok and whatever, but it's for big brands. It's like George Foreman, Remington. Amazing, um, like ideal.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I feel like with that, I I'm kind of natural with it. I like to talk and good at selling, just not my own product. But no, please put me on it.

SPEAKER_00

So, like that is honestly with your skill set, I just I would never worry. Oh, honestly, I wouldn't. I need to start believing that myself. Well, you do. And I say this to everyone who comes on this couch, I'm like, just ring me. Maybe having a down day, just bring me, I'll spin you around and give me number nets for you. I'll pull you out because I'm not only practical, I'm a practical person who knows a lot of people as well. I'm like, right, and I can see things clearly for what they are, but yeah. Yeah, you know what you're talking about. I don't know about that, but no, you I definitely know a lot of people who can help.

SPEAKER_01

No, you I admire you, you're amazing. Know that. Thanks so much.

SPEAKER_00

Right, we've come to the end of the podcast. I need to get prep prepped for my next guy coming in. So, um, yeah, thank you so much for coming to me. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01

Honestly, it was just like speaking with a mate. You made me feel so comfortable, and thank you for having me on. Well, good luck with everything. Ring me anytime. Oh well. And uh yeah, good luck. Thank you.