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Episode #9 Vaginal Rejuvenation & Menopause What Every Women Should Know

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In this candid and eye-opening episode, our friend Viviana shares her deeply personal story of navigating menopause, shedding light on the surprising and often overlooked realities women face. From the sudden onset of menopause symptoms like vaginal dryness and atrophy, Viviana explains how these changes impacted her life and led her to explore treatments like vaginal rejuvenation. She discusses the lack of information from doctors, the importance of being open about menopause, and how she found relief through proactive care. This conversation is a must-listen for women seeking to understand the unspoken truths of menopause and the importance of advocating for their health.

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Thermiva:  https://thermiva.org/thermiva

Dr.  Lisa Mosconi:  https://www.lisamosconi.com/

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Lori:

So today we have our lovely and dear friend Viviana with us here and because we needed to share your story Viviana about going through menopause because you know many times right girls we sit and we chit chat with each other and we just start learning from each other and then before we know we're like, oh my god, like that happened to you. I didn't know that that could happen. And Dorothy and I were very Surprised by your story. And so we got to share that, babe.

Vivianna:

Yeah. And I'm ahead of you girls, right? Um, I'm at least five years ahead of you girls. And, um, you know, the sad part of all of this, and maybe it's the good part. Not sure. But, you know, we all secretly kind of went through our infertility struggles. Right, which again, shouldn't be doing it in secret. We should all be talking about it and getting through that. We get through that We have our beautiful babies and we think okay great. We've gone through so many hurdles then BAM Menopause happens and you don't quite understand what's happening or what's been happening to women for centuries And then all of a sudden your vagina stops working Stops working.

Lori:

It stops working. I know. It's kind of like when you wake up in the morning and that one weird hair, you're like, you weren't there yesterday and now you're there, right? So it's like, we were working yesterday, vagina. And today you're not.

Vivianna:

But the saddest thing is it's been happening in women for centuries and no one not my gynecologist Now I'm ahead of you girls so I'm experiencing it first before you guys get into the heavy duty. My sister, my mom, like my mom has mentioned about taking um Estrogen inserts, um, for her lapsed uterus and so forth, but nothing about dry vaginas and atrophy. None of those!

Lori:

Mm hmm.

Vivianna:

I see twice a year has ever mentioned it until I mentioned it to her. Like,

Lori:

So you're going for your routine appointments and your vagina obviously is changing and she's not telling you this even, and you're, you were still asymptomatic, right? At that point, even though these

Vivianna:

totally. But here's the key thing, right? Um, not in a steady relationship. So if I was married, then you would start to notice things. Your partner would want to try things and you'd be like, Ooh, that doesn't feel right. Right. So I didn't have that consistency. Um, but then when I started, when I got into a relationship, I was like, wait a minute, what is happening? Where is my vagina? The vagina you've known your entire life, where did it go?

Dorothy:

So, can you, Veeve, can you explain exactly what happened to the vagina? Because I remember you were saying that things change, but can you explain to us what was it that

Vivianna:

So, let's just like start back, you know, I'm in my forties, get pregnant at 43, have this miracle baby at 44 where doctor's like, sorry, we can't help you go through all of that. Then, you know, as you have the baby, your period's off. Right? So your period's a little off, it doesn't come back, da da da da da da. When I was 48, I just had this one explosive period and that was it. So I was into menopause. Did I even know I was in menopause? No idea. No idea, right? So then at that time, um, as I move into 50, separate from my daughter's father and then just go into single mom mode. And so, let's say 44, get into a wonderful relationship, haven't had sex for four years. And all of a sudden it's like dry, dry, painful. And you're like, what, what do you mean? This is only like in a span of having a baby all like what, in a 10 year span, all of this disappeared. And so I quickly went to the gynecologist and she's like, Oh, yes. You know, as your menopause, the inner lining of your vagina becomes very thin and brittle. If it, once it starts to atrophy, starts to turn white, and I'm like, what? You've been looking at my vagina for ten years! What are you gonna tell me? She's like, well, you know, I don't know who feels comfortable talking about that.

Lori:

me. It's gone. Yes.

Vivianna:

I said, you have to tell me. every patient that you have. Now, my gynecologist happens to have this vaginal rejuvenation. Have you heard of this stuff? Yes. I always thought it was for tightening. You know, because a lot of people talk about tightening because after you have a baby through your birth canal, which I didn't have a C section, there's a lot of tightening. Um, I think Thermo, I'm not sure what I got was exactly for tightening, but, um, so I said, yes, let's do it. 5, 000 later, four treatments later, um, they use this wand, it's called a Thermiva and they literally just go in inside the, in the, it textures that your inner lining of your vagina and also the outside. But as she's doing all this, she's just telling me everything and I'm like, you're telling me this now? She's like, you're outside your vagina. 25. You look like the 25. I'm like, what? You mean my outside is not going to look like this anymore? She's like, Oh no, everything starts to troop. The skin starts to juke over the clitoris. Women have a hard time having orgasm. I'm like, Oh my gosh. You know, she's like, but the inside looks like you're 50. And I'm like, what does the inside look like? And so the inside of the vagina starts to actually piece you mind. Mind you, think about, so had a baby 44, let's say 48. 40, no, 47, 47, 48, 49, 51, 52, 57 years. No use. It just atrophies. It just atrophies like a muscle. So you have to go in there with this wand, and the biggest thing you need to do is have sex. Have to have sex and use a lot, and then lubrication is gone. Okay? Okay. They don't tell you about the lubrication. Natural lubrication is gone. Okay, you're going to use this everything, all the time. Your partner will love it as a precursor to sex. You just lube them up, but that is a must. And that goes away. Now, I haven't done hormone replacements, so I don't know if that comes back with hormone replacements. Lori, you can share us your story of it, but ultimately you got to use that vagina. What is that? I've never felt this before. Like, it's never hurt. It's never hurt. Because you've always had that lubrication. Never. So the lubrication's gone. Like, that's gone. And, on top of that, there's maintenance. So, on top of, like, re texturing the inside of your vagina, having to do it once a year afterwards, and the expense of it, you have to add moisture back into your vagina. Every week, you gotta insert a lubricant. Just to moisten that vagina, keep it agile for the rest of your life. of your life. Now, some people use estrogen inserts, right? But I'm like, I'm a little, like, little hormones. I don't know, which I'd love to hear Lori, what you've been doing and how that's worked for you. But literally you have to. And then on top of that, I said, what if I didn't have a partner? She's like, well, there's inserts. You can add inserts into your vagina to help keep. It stretched out. And then, um, and she's like, and why I don't want to go here again. She was very like, didn't know the territory. You know, you get a dildo. You got to use that dildo. And I'm like, why didn't you tell me that seven years ago, knowing that I separated from my daughter's father, need to get it

Dorothy:

and her

Vivianna:

that vagina working.

Dorothy:

it's an uncomfortable topic.

Vivianna:

She was just like, well, I just don't know what people totally, I don't know what everyone feels comfortable. I said, no, you have to tell every woman. And then I'm thinking my mother, my sister, why is no one talking about it? And I talked about it with everybody. Because I want people to know this. And shortly after this all happened, I was telling my good friend Eve and she went to a sorority reunion and they were all just sitting around chitchatting. And one woman just confessed that she just came with like shards of glass. So eve said, Oh, well, let me show you my friend's experience and what she's been doing. I'm like, yes, share the news. This poor woman, married, lovely relationship, refuses to have sex because she's so much in pain. I'm like, no! This can't be. We cannot live our life like this. We have to share this information. We have to. And I know now it's like the menopause revolution, everyone's talking about it, there's all these things you can do now, but oh my God, thank goodness for our daughters and our kids, um, because no one had this before. No one shared this.

Lori:

No. No. So, how many treatments then did you have to do with, um, what was the machine called again?

Vivianna:

It's called Thermiva and now there is

Lori:

we will put that in the show notes.

Vivianna:

yes, yes, yes, and you can send the link to it also. Now mind you, this was the first machine that came out for, but there's so many now out there and I don't know enough about any of them, but I felt comfortable that my kind of call just was doing it cause she knows anatomy of the vagina and she knows what she's doing. I don't know about going anywhere else to do it and you know, it was expensive, but it was worth it. I felt like it was worth it. Now, does it completely get rid of the problem? No. It just helps to restructure it, kind of build thicker walls. Also, it tightens everything in the front, apparently. Once you start to droop, which girls? We're gonna start to droop.

Dorothy:

heh heh heh heh.

Vivianna:

This is what's going to happen. 60, 70, it's all going to droop. And I'll be using that ThermaVox. And I'm just like, I can't even visually imagine all of this drooping, right? But I'm like, okay, this is going to happen. At least I know, I feel comfortable. Like, oh my gosh, we have to all share this information and what we can do preventatively going forward.

Lori:

Yeah, so

Vivianna:

No one should be living. Oh, sorry. Um,

Lori:

did you do?

Vivianna:

three treatments one month apart, and then you're supposed to do, no, mind you, the whole treatment is not the greatest thing. We literally sit there with your legs open to your gynecologist for 45 minutes as she's like in and out with this thermal thing. And know, she's doing magic with this wand

Lori:

And was that painful? Was the process

Vivianna:

No, not at all. Not at all. And she'll tell you, is it too hot? Am I getting too hot? She does different temperatures in different areas, but it's like a, um, it's a heated thermal wand. That makes contact with your skin and like tightens it in and then creates this thicker layer of skin because as you atrophy it all just starts to weaken and plus doesn't have the hormone to keep it supple and you know, um, lubricated and so forth. So three sessions a month apart. Um, I would say I thought it was useful. I'm probably in for maintenance, but again, that's a 5, 000 investment. Right? That's not, that's not like, Oh, let me just go get it done. Um, but I know there's other things you can do if you like. So I started at the end, like, Oh, I've atrophied. Great. So I went through a drastic mode, but if you're, as you're going into menopause, Things to remember is to lubricate daily or every three days, I think. And then, um, there is the estrogen, um, suppositories, right? You can use, which I'm always a little iffy about. And then having sex. Ladies, having sex.

Lori:

the whole saying, right, if you don't use it, you lose it. It's true in

Vivianna:

it, you lose it, I know. And then on top of the menopause, yeah, I was so eager to have sex. You gotta have sex. You gotta, you gotta get it done.

Lori:

the thing. It becomes this vicious cycle because you don't feel well, it hurts, you start to bleed, which was my, my situation. And then of course you're apprehensive to then want to go do it the next time because you're like, this isn't fun, right? This is painful. And so, yeah. And then you're not using it and everything continues to get tighter and more painful. Um, you know, and I, I did go down the HRT path. So the hormone replacement path. And, um, yes, and I, I definitely have noticed a difference, one in my libido being on them, but also, um, yes, with having more lubrication. I still need to use lube for sure. I interviewed just a whole bunch of different practitioners to decide which was going to be the best Um, path for myself, like, did I want pellets or did I want to do creams? Did I want to, you know, all that stuff. And, but they all consistently say, you will need lube the rest of your life.

Dorothy:

Wow.

Lori:

You will need lube. Yes.

Vivianna:

is this not something We should have known

Lori:

Yes. We should know

Vivianna:

have babies, you know, no one

Dorothy:

Well, let me tell, When I saw you last summer and we had been together for maybe 15 minutes, I walked in your door, a little bit of chit chat. And then you're like, by the way, did you know? And then you went straight into my vagina feels like broken glass.

Vivianna:

Totally.

Dorothy:

you told me that story, I went home because you live a few hours away from me. I went home and I, yeah. I, to this day, tell every mom at the playground, my kid is on the swing playing with some random kid, you know, mom, random kids on the playground. And I'm with the parents going, let me tell you what you have to expect with your vagina. Yeah. And they're like, Oh my God, we had no idea.

Vivianna:

No idea. And I'm like, what? How is this possible?

Lori:

Mm hmm. Well, you know, and that's the piece considering that perimenopause can start in your thirties. So again, not that these changes are, I mean, they, all of a sudden they kind of feel like they're happening overnight, but they start to happen slowly. And so that's the piece where we should be in, whether you have children or not, this conversation, as you are going to your doctors and could be even starting perimenopause needs to be those conversations of

Vivianna:

Let me tell you about the journey.

Lori:

exactly things to be aware of what to watch. Cause even in my situation, I was, You know, by the time I started HRT, I think I was in, um, well, I was, I was in perimenopause. Ooh, how did I get balloons? That was interesting. Anyway,

Vivianna:

menopause.

Lori:

celebrate my menopause. There was a balloon that just appeared on the screen. Um, but I really think I started two years. Prior in terms of like full fledged symptoms, and I just attributed it to because we moved. We moved out of state to a different state, and I was just noticing that I was just more tired, um, just not as motivated. Overwhelmed, higher anxiety, and again, we all went through COVID, so I kind of chalked it up to COVID, I chalked it up to a move, I chalked it up to not having furniture, you know, in my house for six months at a time because deliveries were late because of COVID, starting new schools for my kids, like all of that stuff, and, but then, when the heart palpitations started, the headaches, and just, me literally, The hot flashes. I, yep, I was having hot flashes and night sweats and literally I cried over granola cereal that my husband was eating out of the pantry. I lost my shit because he touched my granola and I was like, I should

Vivianna:

What is happening with me?

Lori:

should not be this upset over somebody eating my granola. And, but it took, it took me to have those types of symptoms, heart palpitations to the point I went into urgent care when I was having them. Um, and like I said, sit

Vivianna:

you about that. You think like, oh my gosh, what

Lori:

like, I think I'm there. I think I'm there. And then sure enough, you know, ran blood work and all that stuff. And then I was there. But all of it was happening. At minimum, at least two years prior, I just didn't know it.

Vivianna:

the scenes like just behind the scenes

Lori:

stuff. Yep. So I think that's a big thing to pay attention to ladies is just even your mood or your tolerance to things, because now that I'm on HRT, I'm saying now, you know, I could at least, I know when I'm anxious over a certain reason versus before just feeling like this buzziness that I just could not put my finger on. So paying attention, to those symptoms early on, um, or just noticing like if your, your mood is changing a bit more, your energy level is changing a bit more being a stiff and achy more sore than usual. Thank you

Vivianna:

yes, inflammation just skyrockets during menopause. So many symptoms, which again, you think, Oh, it's because of life and COVID and all this other stuff. Yes, probably that too, but then your body can't adapt to all that anymore. And where's the, where's the, Where's the roadmap for that?

Lori:

Nobody gets it to you.

Vivianna:

No one gets you. I know Drew Barrymore is like, What is menopause? And I know she started a whole roadmap. Thank you. But like, girls, we're in 2024.

Lori:

Mm hmm.

Dorothy:

And I just wonder, too, Lori, we were just talking about my birth story, uh, my, my road to motherhood yesterday, and we were talking about how, uh, right before I froze my eggs, they'd ran all these tests to, to check my hormone levels, you know, and why are, if you're doing like an annual pap or whatever that is, why aren't we testing our hormone levels? It's a simple blood test. I mean, when I was freezing my eggs, they ran that, the anti malarian. Hormone test, which tells you how close you are to menopause. Why don't they do that once a year? I mean, I have a friend who went into menopause in her late twenties and she had no idea, right? Like

Vivianna:

Totally possible.

Dorothy:

into menopause when, in her twenties? Yeah. And it's like, you'd never know. So that's

Lori:

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Vivianna:

It should be standard. This should be Be standard. And it's so frustrating. Um, the other thing, and I don't know what, how I came up with this. I started taking the mocker route, um,

Lori:

yes. I've

Vivianna:

called Feminessence.

Lori:

success with. Mm hmm. With maca. Mm

Vivianna:

where did I? Okay, oh, I know, because when I was trying to get pregnant, um, the woman code was like, my book. This book just killed me. Like, this is great. This one woman, uh, wrote this book about just hormones and her, her PCOS journey and what she did with food and exercise and stress and how she re balanced everything, right? Where doctors were just giving her hormones and all that stuff. So, um, in this book, it talked about this marker route and, um, I just started taking it. after I thought was my last period. I don't know. You just have a baby and then all of a sudden you have one period and then it's gone and you're like, wait, what? You're like, I don't know what's happening. I've felt success with that. And there's different phases of it that you can take. So I think it helped me with my perimonopause as I went into it. Then I stopped taking it and I'm not taking the menopause one, but I felt found success with that.

Lori:

That was the, that was the maca powder, Viviana.

Vivianna:

Yeah. It's a little pill. Right. I stopped taking it. I don't know why, probably COVID stress and all that stuff. I noticed a change. Like, you know, that anxiety, everything is just a little,

Lori:

Mm hmm. Mm

Vivianna:

you know, you're so stressed about everything. And I'm like, why am I so stressed about everything? Why am I waking up at 2am? You know, you have to revisit everything you do to adjust your body to menopause.

Lori:

You

Vivianna:

And this should be a routine pap smear. Let's test your hormones. This is what's going on. Here are some tools you can

Dorothy:

five years down the road, 10 years down the road, 40 years down the road,

Vivianna:

yes.

Lori:

Ha, ha,

Vivianna:

Lubricate that vagina. You know, it's gonna droop. You know, all I think we just need to tell our gynecologists, like, this needs to be talked about. Now, mine's a female, so I find it even more shocking. Because she's ahead of me. Right?

Lori:

Yes.

Vivianna:

but it should just be standard. And hopefully it is. Now this whole movement going through, hopefully it is. But I'd hate for anyone to be in a marriage and suffer. I agree. I'm having sex and I'm having that intimacy, like, no, not okay. okay. And everyone doesn't want to talk about it. Right. Cause it's the vagina. Ooh. You

Lori:

Right, right. Well, you know, in the other pieces, you know, with the brain fog and how women like, I mean, one of the highest killers in women is heart disease. And guess what? So again, our brain, our hearts, have estrogen and progesterone receptors. And so again, when we have this change in our hormones, Our heart health goes, down the drain, our brain, this is why we get the brain fog, all of it shifts and changes, and we need to supplement that, and they're, you know, with all this research that's out there, they're learning that there is also a window of when to, if you're going to do HRT, there's a window for it, and then there's a certain age, I'm not quite sure what that is, I definitely know by 60, You should not be doing HRT. It puts you at a higher risk. So, and I don't know if it's even 55 is the cutoff. I'm not sure. Um, but I know it's like somewhere around there. But there is a window to be getting that hormone supplementation in that will help with brain health and heart health and just transition you through menopause, and whatnot. So again, this is like, you know, as we're talking, this is why we need to get fight with our doctors to run these tests to know where we are. So we know if we want to supplement, we have, we know what is our window to supplement and not miss, you know, that boat and then be suffering in misery and suffering in silence because it should not be. Yes. There's a great podcast, which actually I should put in the show notes. Um, it is by Dr. Lisa Moscone. She is out of actually New York area and she is running, um, amazing research on peri, well, actually all of it, perimenopausal, menopausal women, and again, just seeing brain changes. Again, like honing in. What is that time that we start HRT? When is it not safe to start HRT? Um, her work is absolutely amazing and I will put that too in our, in our show notes.

Vivianna:

I think you sent us that, that, um,

Lori:

It's amazing. It's two hours long, but it's so worth listening to. And of course, you know, again, we talk about, they talk about stress in there and diet and exercise. you have to get that heart pump in and get blood flow to the brain and also just, yeah, the benefits of, you know, weight training, resistance training, I mean, all of it. So.

Vivianna:

yeah. And the muscle loss, muscle

Lori:

Well, and the, and the, and the loose skin, right? The loose skin, you start to see too, the skin integrity. It just, it all changes. Yes.

Vivianna:

all changes.

Lori:

It all changes. So back to you, you doing the machine, the, so you did how many sessions? Remind me again.

Vivianna:

So we did three sessions. So what it is is three sessions, like a month apart, and then one session every year, for maintenance.

Lori:

okay.

Vivianna:

and, and it's about having sex. The more you have sex, the more that skin gets tougher and thicker and so forth and lubricating. Definitely have to lubricate. You got it. And there's, you know, I'm still researching options. Like I know the doctor provided one option to use. Um, but I'm not sure what the best option is for there's so many things that are coming out now. So, um, I would love to research more. that since you're putting in it in your body every day, you know, every week and so forth.

Lori:

right. Well, and their are so many resources for pelvic floor health I use Intimate Rose they also have different size dilators, that can be inserted, to your tolerance. and then as the tissue gets stretched, you know, you progress to the larger sizes. Um, so yeah, if you don't have a partner

Vivianna:

or get a dildo to make it fun. You know, you can, that's what, you know, that's what my daughter called. She was all scared to say it to me. I'm like, oh my God, it's a dildo. Like, we should all talk about it, okay? I have not invested in one yet, but I am on, I will once I find a place to go get one. I, we have to, you know, and it shouldn't be so like, ooh, dildo, you know. No, use that vagina.

Lori:

Use it. Use it or lose it. Yes.

Vivianna:

it. Don't want to lose it. You know, I remember my aunts would have like five aunts on my dad's side in Argentina. And one of them husband died and she came to visit and I said, let's get you out there. Let's get your boyfriend. She's like, no, vagina is closed

Lori:

Oh. Mm hmm.

Vivianna:

And Lord knows she probably was going through all of this. She's in her seventies now. It's closed. It's not opening up again, and I'm thinking, Oh, okay, not thinking. Oh, it's closed. You never, she's literally never going to use it again. Like she's gone down that path. There's been no solution for her. And the thought of even having a romantic partner is like, you know, nails on a chalkboard. Right? So, but now I reflect back and I'm like, Oh my God, she was going through that, you know?

Dorothy:

know, I, I went to my gynecologist to talk about options for, uh, uterine prolapse and she's like, well, well, one option when, as women get older, one option that many women choose is to literally sew their vaginas up. And I'm like, and that was my reaction, wide eyed, stopped me dead in my tracks, and she's like, Oh, honey, at that age, nobody wants to have sex. And I'm like, she's saying like in mid 60s, like 60s, 70s. Oh, no. Oh, no. You can just sew it right up. It's okay. So I'm like, you, you can't get in there. Oh, yeah. No, just sew it right up. So if you have a prolapse, it just, it's like slamming the door shut. Mm hmm. So, so she told me about that, but did she bring up anything about hormone testing or prepare me for what's to come? No.

Vivianna:

That is putting a band aid on an issue.

Lori:

yes, and you know what? I'm glad you mentioned that, Didi, because here's the other piece. We typically turn to our gynecologist because they're in women's health, thinking that they know about hormone supplementation and all the options out there.

Dorothy:

Mm

Lori:

They don't. They don't technically an OB. They are a trained surgeon. So unless they went on to get trained in hormone health, do not assume your OB is the person that you need to be seeing for hormone health education replacement and stuff. It is a specialty, and it needs to be researched, you know, by you, if you're gonna go down that path of picking a practitioner. Not OB, all OBs go down that path.

Vivianna:

Cause their focus is about having babies. Their focus is not about menopause.

Lori:

No. And again, they are trained surgeons. Yes. I actually follow an OB on Instagram. And she is, she's the first to be like, yep, we are trained surgeons. We are not trained in women's health for hormones. So got to find that specific practitioner who is. Mm hmm. It's like sometimes it's like trying to find a needle on a haystack,

Vivianna:

It

Lori:

know? Yeah.

Vivianna:

super frustrating.

Lori:

It is. Oh my God. Well, Viviana, I love that you shared your story with us, and so now you, and you, you feel, you feel back to normal,

Vivianna:

Well, you know, it, uh, you know, my partner is not in the same state, so, you know, I don't have that daily, um, you know, affirmation of building that tissue, but, um, it definitely is better. 100%. Yeah. 100%. I'll tell you, it was, imagine seven years of vagina not being used and going through, you know, going into menopause. It literally, nothing could get in there. You know, nothing, just, we had to work really hard to stretch that out, make it all work. And then, and then what happens is, another thing I didn't mention is, because that one experience is so painful, whenever you're about to have sex again, you're all tense. So I go to my OBGYN and she's like, you're too tense. I'm like, oh, but it hurt. And she's like, no, you gotta relax. You know? So I'm like, Oh my God. So you're trying to have sex. You're like,

Dorothy:

here. Oh, no.

Vivianna:

like, Oh my God. So once you get over that hurdle,

Lori:

Yeah, yeah. Well, and so much.

Vivianna:

not get to that point. Let's not get to that point. Let's make that vagina healthy and supple and do what we need to do is to support it. So you don't get to the point where I did.

Lori:

right, right. Yes. Well, and that, yeah, it is, it's horrible because it's like, how can you relax when you know you're, you're pretty much walking

Dorothy:

Here it comes. Oh, no. Yeah.

Vivianna:

Totally.

Lori:

it comes! Yeah,

Vivianna:

More. More.

Lori:

of glass!

Vivianna:

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Just gotta use it. And, um, you don't have a partner, just get a dildo. Enjoy that, you know, and use that vagina.

Lori:

Use

Vivianna:

really hard for that vagina and to have babies and we're gonna keep it nice and supple and, and healthy. And now, you know, there, I really believe in this Thermiva, I know there's other things out there now, but, um, at least there's other items that you can use for any, you know, anti aging, just to keep the vaginas, you know, looking young, apparently, doesn't look young, so, you know. Oh my god,

Lori:

Who knew?

Vivianna:

Who knew? Who knew?

Lori:

Oh, my God. Well, Viviana, thank you for sharing your story

Vivianna:

Yes, of course. Thank you, ladies.

Lori:

this fits Dorothy's in my mission, right? Again, like no, no, yeah, no woman should worry alone. And we need to be sharing these real life stories, that happened to all of us, because as much of the, of like, the end result is the same, right? We're all going through menopause. We all have different experiences and different paths of what we're experiencing and how we're getting there. And I think that's the piece that, you know, we really want to share because my, my journey was way different than yours. I had every symptom in the book. I mean, I caught it again too late,

Vivianna:

Mm hmm.

Lori:

um, I was able to still catch my breath. In the right window to do some correction, but yeah, my path was way different. I had symptoms. You didn't you know, it's yeah Your vagina was turning white mine wasn't

Vivianna:

Yes. Oh my gosh.

Lori:

Yeah

Vivianna:

have B white. Cannot have an atrophied vagina and know it now. Know it when you're going through, you know, childbirth, you know, even when you go through childbirth, you don't know what your body's going to do. No one told me how difficult it was after you had a baby to get your body back. None of this, none of this is shared, right? So it's all about just sharing in the infertility struggles starts from there and then having a whole book. Like someone has got to write a book of everything,

Dorothy:

Need a manual?

Lori:

I

Vivianna:

so you know.

Lori:

Yay. Well, thank you

Vivianna:

Alright, well thank you ladies for spreading the knowledge and sharing your truth and your experience. We need more of this.

Lori:

do Yes, we do.

Vivianna:

we do. We do. So thank you for starting that up.

Lori:

Yes. Our pleasure. We love doing it. Well, thank you everybody for listening in and, yeah, let's stay curious. Right. D are saying let's stay

Vivianna:

But stay curious.

Lori:

alone. That's what we're here

Vivianna:

Bye ladies. Bye.

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