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Episode #12: The M Factor Film Re-cap

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In this episode, Lori recaps her viewing of The M Factor, a 50-minute documentary exploring the profound impacts of hormonal changes during perimenopause and menopause. Featuring insights from leading doctors and experts, the film highlights how these hormonal shifts influence brain health, bone density, and overall well-being. Lori also shares takeaways from a post-screening talk by Dr. Kelly Casperson, a featured expert in the movie and a urologist from Bellingham, Washington, who emphasized the importance of breaking menopause taboos and advocating for women’s health.

Lori discusses striking findings, such as 250,000 U.S. women experiencing premature menopause annually and 50% reporting painful sex or decreased libido during this stage. She also highlights surprising connections between menopause and oral health, with 30% of women losing a tooth within five years due to estrogen loss. The film emphasizes that symptoms like brain fog, anxiety, and bone loss often begin years before menopause and are directly tied to hormonal changes, which require a deeper understanding and proactive care.

Through Lori’s recap, listeners are encouraged to embrace menopause as a natural transition, not a silent struggle, and to advocate for their health with better education and resources. With empowering insights from The M Factor, this episode continues the ongoing conversation about reframing menopause and supporting women during this transformative phase.

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Show Notes:
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You're Not Broken:  book by Dr. Kelly Casperson


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The information shared on this podcast is for informational purposes only and is based on the opinions and experience of Lori Dorothy and their guests. The content should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or a treatment. Always seek the advice of your healthcare provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast  

Welcome to let's get curious. The podcast for women and mothers seeking connection, support, and inspiration. We are friends, mothers, and therapists. Laurie, a physical therapist and Dorothy, a speech and language therapist. Together. We share our personal stories, including IVF birth experiences and navigating children's learning difficulties. Through our discussions, we uncover profound lessons for personal growth. Join us on this journey of curiosity, compassion and empowerment. Welcome to let's. Get curious

Dorothy:

We are back. It's Lori and Dorothy with another episode, and Lori is here to talk to us about her viewing of the movie, The M Factor. Is that right, Lori?

Lori:

Yep. The M

Dorothy:

Yep. And you also got to hear Kelly Casperson speak afterwards. Can you tell us more about that? Wow.

Lori:

Oh, she's out of Bellingham, Washington, up here by me. And she was also in the film. So she was the one that was putting off this viewing. The M Factor, it is really the only film ever, I'm not even listening to this healthcare professionals can actually get continuing education credits. It's like, it's that good and it's that informative. So, and again, I'll put all this in the show notes, but the M factor but it's a film and they are, interviewing doctors who are in this cutting edge of researching what happens to our brains, our heart. Um, I'm pretty much researching women's health with those going through perimenopause, menopause, and after. And so there was a whole bunch of doctors being interviewed on this film, and it's a great educational film, so I encourage everybody to listen to it on their own. Show notes will be linked, you can find it on pbs. org. And it's like 50 minutes, so it's short and sweet, but super powerful. And I just wanted to come on today and, you know, I've always, I'm sharing things with you, Didi, as we, as in real life, right? Oh my God, get this one. Wait till you hear this one. But it was just such great information. And I love the fact that yes, we're putting a focus on this, but debunking so many myths. So many myths. And what this film and these doctors are also trying to do for us women, to realize that we do not have to suffer in silence. As they were saying, it's like, okay, we go through puberty and we embrace that, right? Here you are, welcome to motherhood. And then we get pregnant and we embrace that and we have baby viewing parties and baby reveal and all this stuff. And then you hit menopause. And they're like, you know, quiet, right? You're just, you're crazy. You're losing your mind, you're moody, you're this. It's kind of like, you know, again, the end, the death.

Dorothy:

Mm hmm.

Lori:

And, you know, what they're saying is, well, average age right now of menopause in, in the U S is 52 years. It used to be 57. It is dropping down. But the reality is that, way back in the day, um, Once women hit menopause, a couple years after, we were dead. We didn't have to be alive to procreate anymore. And now, because of modern medicine, antibiotics being one of them, where we can, fight off infections, because that would be, the thing back in the day that would take people out, um, so we have more medicine keeping us alive. And so going through menopause, we were never really meant to live this long. Another 10, 20, 30, you know, 40 years past menopause. And so we have to be looking at this from a different angle, and that includes, okay, we take antibiotics for. An infection, we need to be supplementing our hormonal systems. Because what they're finding is When our estrogen and testosterone and pregnenolone start to drop, and again, this could last, for 10 to 15 years before we even start to have symptoms. And when this fluctuation starts to happen, what it is, is if you're, when you're entering perimenopause, your brain is trying to communicate to the ovaries to release a hormone to the follicles to then release the egg and go through that whole cycle. Well, when we start dipping in these hormones, it's like we're shooting blanks, because we're starting to run low on these hormones. And that is what brings us of our craziness, we start to see the brain fog. We start to have the heart palpitations. We start to have anxiety and the overwhelm because of this Delta change that's happening in these hormones. And so that's the piece that they're trying to. Well, they're just doing more research on and realizing that yes, these symptoms that we are having going through menopause are a direct link to the changes in our hormonal systems. And we need to stop thinking of these hormones as just sex hormones.

Dorothy:

Hmm.

Lori:

So testosterone, for example, yes, it does drive libido. Testosterone is also what? Targets the ovaries to then make estrogen.

Dorothy:

Wow.

Lori:

So estrogen is actually a by product of testosterone. And so I love this angle too, that Dr. Casperson was talking about. She's like, you know, many times as women are starting to go through perimenopause and menopause, there's depression, there's anxiety. And what do we put these women on? Our antidepressants. So, but we also need to be looking at what is happening to them hormonally with the sex hormones, because again, we're kind of brainwashed that these are only having to do with sex, right? Our period, our making of the babies, all that stuff. But the reality is, is these hormones also affect mood. And like she's saying, libido is a mood,

Dorothy:

Ah.

Lori:

right? Libido. Mood. So again, and this is the, this is really kind of, well, it's frustrating, not shocking, but frustrating is that I, I don't know the exact number, but there are like, say a dozen of, drugs on the market for men and libido approved by the FDA for women. Zero.

Dorothy:

Mm hmm. Wow.

Lori:

Yeah. Mm hmm. Yes. So, and then the only Not surprising. And then the only way that us women could get, some testosterone prescribed is if our libido is like pretty much gone. So not even noticing that we're having changes in our mood is enough, or maybe we're just starting to notice that you have changes in libido isn't enough. There has to be, documentation that you are pretty much empty before they could even write you a prescription

Dorothy:

And now is this any physician or are you talking functional medicine? Even functional medicine

Lori:

Well, I mean, well, no, because the functional medicine doctors who understand the hormone they will believe you, I'm kind of generalizing, but across the board, in order for your doctor to believe you, again, you have to come in off the street, miserable and in pain, and practically on your deathbed, for any of our doctors to believe us. And that's what we're The one thing also that, Dr. Kasperson says, and I, I love this angle and I believe it, she's like, this needs to be a grass roots project. She said, it needs to come from us, like you and me, and we have to keep educating ourselves. We have to keep educating other women to go into their doctors and tell them how they're feeling. To tell them that they don't wanna feel this way and to get answers. And if that doctor doesn't believe you or it's not their, book a business, go find another and find another and find another. She goes, this is such a big. Undertaking, and we are so behind in the medical field that by the time anybody catches up, you know, another 10, 20 years can go by. So we. You, me, everybody listening to this podcast, we need to be the one out there and, you know, pushing

Dorothy:

Mm-Hmm? Mm-Hmm.

Lori:

So the, the, mFactor film, like I said, 50 minutes in length, they get more in depth, in terms of what they're researching, um, but for the purpose of this podcast, I wanted to come on. And, as you know, we've been having menopause conversations for like our last, last two episodes. We have another one that's coming out soon before this one airs. And, um, there was many things that stuck out to me in this film that I felt was important to, talk about and to share. With our, with our listeners, so I'm going to be just reading some quick notes in here that I, that I, uh, found in, you know, some of these too, Dee, I haven't had a chance to share with

Dorothy:

Oh boy. Okay. I'm ready.

Lori:

I, uh, I will find it interesting. I will find it interesting to, hear your reaction on some of these. So first of all, so the Menopause Society, they report each year, there's 250, 000 women in the U. S. who experience Premature menopause, whether that is naturally or surgically induced.

Dorothy:

250,000.

Lori:

Mm-Hmm. women in the US Mm-Hmm. per year.

Dorothy:

Wow.

Lori:

And up to 50% of women experience painful sex. A decrease in libido during the menopause changes. 50%. I'm one of those 50%.

Dorothy:

too.

Lori:

I'm one of those 50%. So, you know, we're not talking here about small numbers. Right. Um,

Dorothy:

Well, and it just goes, I Can I pause you for a second? Because the one thing that you said before that stood out is that perimenopausal symptoms start 10 to 15 years before you reach men. Like I had no idea. So you could be in your thirties and start having symptoms. I have a friend who actually went through menopause, like in her early thirties. Um,

Lori:

can start. And that's what they're saying too about dementia. So again, by the time we are, and you and I know this from working with the geriatric population D, by the time somebody is diagnosed with dementia, you're 80 plus, right? What they're saying is, is because of these hormonal fluctuations and changes. Again, it could be 20 years before you get that diagnosis that your brain is already changing towards the path of dementia. Same with bone health. So you could be in your 30s and already starting to go and, and, you know, heading down that path of osteopenia, thin brittle bones. Mm hmm.

Dorothy:

Well, didn't you say to me when you had your bone scan, your doctor was like, Oh my gosh, you're one of the only few that came out normal. Woohoo!

Lori:

for me. But I even said

Dorothy:

does that say?

Lori:

my Yes, I even said to my doctor, I was like, really? Like, I was just, yeah, I'm like, it makes me sad that there's all the, like, again, like, I'm, I just turned 50. And, okay, yay, everything's looking great for me. But I mean, all the, you know, individuals younger than me that's showing, like, low bone density.

Dorothy:

Right, and then the lack of awareness of that connection.

Lori:

of awareness, right? And then what do we do? We end up having to go on medications, down the road. And then of course that gets into the whole, are we absorbing it? The gut biome,

Dorothy:

yeah,

Lori:

you know, I mean, another whole, another whole pathway. But yeah, so we need to start looking at these symptoms that we're having or test results that we're having through a different lens. And the other one that also threw me was, listen to this one. 30% of women will lose a tooth within the first five years of menopause. Yes, because, yes. 30%. Yes. Because as the estrogen and all those hormones are changing again, what does estrogen do? It, it it's part of keeping lubrication and keeping things tight. Right. So when we're, when our tissues are not getting this support to remain healthy, they too are dying off. So this is why, yep. So again, and even in the mouth, so even in this film, in the M factor film, they had, interviewed two women who are like executives at Delta Dental. And they're saying how they are watching these patterns coming in of, of like, receding gum lines, teeth being pulled, and what are the ages of these women that this is starting to happen in, and it's right in that perimenopause menopausal phase. Mm hmm. So yes, our oral hygiene is also affected through these hormonal changes.

Dorothy:

Fascinating. And terrifying.

Lori:

And again, I didn't put any of that together, but it was like, I think it was like maybe a year or so ago. I had gone to the dentist and they're like, Oh, you're starting to have some, receding gums. They're not bad, but we, you know, we could fill it. But I'm like, Oh my God, like now listening to this in the film, And thinking of my own, process, I'm like, okay, and that's when I was going through all of my, symptoms that I was having. So, so, oral hygiene gets affected through these, hormonal changes. We will also have a higher incidence of urinary tract infections and incontinence,

Dorothy:

Oh, man.

Lori:

because again, it's, it affects the tissues, the bladder gets affected, the pelvic floor gets affected, and here's the other piece. They're saying that this country can end up saving billions of dollars if we even put women on just vaginal estrogen alone. So vaginal estrogen supports the, the labia. The vagina, it is not systemic, so it doesn't go through your whole system, but it's local enough to support the pelvic floor structures, the bladder, the urethra, keeping us from getting infections. And again, what do you and I know from working with the elderly? How many little old women were sent to the hospitals they're having confusion. They probably have a urinary tract infection. Send them out to the hospital. Yep, they get diagnosed with the UTI. They may go on antibiotics or didn't catch that UTI in time. Then they go sepsis and then they pass away. So, all the

Dorothy:

Yeah, being a speech pathologist, I would get referrals. Sudden onset confusion. Please screen. And I would say to them, have you checked for a UTI? Oh, she's got a UTI. Yep. All the

Lori:

Yep. So again, from a preventative standpoint, if we are supporting ourselves with just vaginal estrogen alone, we can be reducing those chances of infection.

Dorothy:

So did they say what ages you can take this estrogen? Like, is there a certain cutoff where you just, you're not, you're

Lori:

no, that's, yep. That's the beauty of this too. When you start to be kind of, when you start to feel things changing for you, even like looking at yourself in your thirties, right? Cause that's kind of when perimenopause starts to sneak in, even if you don't even know that you're having the changes, there's no harm. There's no harm because The hormones are dropping anyway. And especially with vaginal estrogen, like I said, it's not systemic. It's, it stays localized. And they're saying like, even for women now who are like, say 75 and 80, you never really miss the window of going on HRT. It's just, it's, you're not going to have as much positive effects. Um, if you're starting it at 75, then if you're starting it at 50, um, but they said, Anybody, at any age, starting vaginal estrogen can help reduce these incidences of bladder irritations, incontinence, urinary tract infections. Mm hmm. Bleeding gums is another sign of, again, menopausal symptoms, weight gain, joint pain, dry skin, And, the other thing that we have to be paying attention to is heart disease as well as dementia. So, what they're also saying is, is that us not, if we continue to ignore this or not treat this. Treatmenopause with hormone replacement therapies, then your chances of passing away from hip, a fracture, heart disease, or dementia, your chances of dying from one of those three is higher than. You getting any form of any type of cancer that would have you pass away. Okay, so what they're finding is that heart disease is one of the leading causes of death in women and what they're saying is that if we can start women on HRT sooner than later, because when we can support these systems, our heart, our brain, our, our longevity is going to be higher.

Dorothy:

Wow.

Lori:

Mm hmm. Does

Dorothy:

Yet, it totally makes sense, what we're seeing though is all the breast cancer awareness flyers and posters and marches and collections and, you know, we don't really talk about heart disease in women so

Lori:

No, no, no, we don't. And what they're saying, cause when we had the Q and a part, during the, at the end of the, the filming, a lot of women came up and was asking about that they were either breast cancer survivors or knew somebody in in their, circle. And what they're saying is that HRT. Is not the cause of breast cancer, and if you have had that diagnosis, it does not mean that you can't go on it again. You just have to be working with your health care professional and those who are versed in HRT to find how you could be. Supplemented and supported along the way. And that's what they're saying is that even if you have had a breast cancer diagnosis, your chance of acquiring heart disease is higher. And you passing away from that heart disease than the breast cancer that you survived.

Dorothy:

Makes sense.

Lori:

Mm hmm. And again, they're not saying that HRT is the end all be all and that this is going to be the cure because they're still, what are your stress factors in life? What is your diet like? What is the environment that you live in?

Dorothy:

Of course.

Lori:

But what they are saying is we are seeing this correlation. these symptoms are happening, all these new diseases, new diagnoses for these women are coming up, right? Okay, you hit this age, you're now menopausal, and now we see that you're You know, health is becoming poor, right? Like they're, they're seeing the changes. They're seeing the effects. And so that's why they're saying we need to look at this through a different lens and realize that these hormones play more of a role in our lives than just reproducing babies

Dorothy:

a lot more. Yeah.

Lori:

a lot more, a lot more

Dorothy:

are seeming to take a back seat right now. with all the other stuff you're talking about, the babies are like the least of our concern right now. Um, and when they say hormones, there're, are they referring to bioidentical hormones or are they also

Lori:

form? Any form? Mm-Hmm. Any form?

Dorothy:

Good to

Lori:

Um, this is the other one that really blew my mind, so, oh, there's more, there's more. So hot flashes.

Dorothy:

Mm-Hmm.

Lori:

What they're finding is that those hot flashes affect the brain, and it's almost like the brain has like a little mini stroke because of the vascular changes. Yes.

Dorothy:

Oh, oh my what?

Lori:

Yeah, yes. So, and again, what they're trying to figure out too, it's not very clear, but they know. A spike in the temperature raises the, the vascular system affecting the brain what they're also trying to see how it's correlated is, but is also the lack of sleep playing a role. In the hot flashes, but then those vascular changes change the brain. But I'm like, Oh my God. I was up almost every half hour of the night with night sweats and hot flashes, DeeDee. You know, I mean, thank God. I mean, again, I was actively looking for help during that time. So I kind of lived it for a short period. Cause I was like, there's no way in hell I can continue down this path every night for the next, you know, two weeks. 5, 10 years. Thank God. I thank God I didn't. But I'm like, Oh, my gosh, what damage could I have already done

Dorothy:

Right.

Lori:

from, walking this path and having these hot flashes during the day, these night sweats and everything at night and when they're looking at the brain on scans, they can see where there's been kind of minor damage.

Dorothy:

Unbelievable. Let me ask you this. It's a little bit not related, but so it is related, but not exactly. Before you were having the hot flashes, did you have warm flashes?

Lori:

Yes. During the day.

Dorothy:

okay. And because I'm, I'm just at the very beginning of all of this. And I'm not waking up hot. I'm waking up a little bit warm, but I'm finding that just my sleep is not deep. Did you notice changes in just your ability to get into a deep sleep even before the hot flashes?

Lori:

Yes. Mm hmm. Yes. Which, again, and that's why they're also saying, sleep is a big driving force. Because if we're not sleeping, we're not repairing. If we're not repairing, we have lack of energy the next day. And then we just start that cycle, all over. Lack of energy brings more anxiety, brings more overwhelm. And that whole, cycle just continues.

Dorothy:

And then you throw kids into it and

Lori:

Right. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, but no, I, and, and this was, this was in a podcast that I listened to with Dr. Lisa Moscone, who is also on The M Factor but she had, when she was talking about, um, hormonal changes and, and dementia being related. She said, when we go into the sleep patterns that we should be in and getting into that deep sleep, she said your body will literally will give your brain a shower with like washing out the cerebral spinal fluid and replenishing that. So, and that's again, getting rid of the plaque and all that stuff. So if we're not getting into deep enough sleep, our brain is not able to shower itself and repair.

Dorothy:

Wow. Makes

Lori:

And then again, this whole cycle continues. So again, hormones keep dropping. We keep not sleeping. We keep having hot flashes and everything just essentially keeps, you know, dying off.

Dorothy:

Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah.

Lori:

And, from being on HRT now for, I almost like a year now at this point, I mean, the exciting part about this is when you start it, you notice changes within like a week,

Dorothy:

Wow.

Lori:

start to feel better.

Dorothy:

That's amazing.

Lori:

And yeah, there's some things you have to figure out along the way and make sure that you're absorbing and all of that, but, um, It works, it works, and I feel better, I'm sleeping better, I don't have as much brain fog, anxiety definitely improved, it's always still there a little bit, but again, that's life, right, there's, life brings you different circumstances that you got to be concerned about and figure out, but that like buzzy edge isn't there to where I don't feel productive, and they were also saying ADHD, We, we start to show signs of ADHD as we're also getting older and going through menopause because we don't have the consistent hormones managing mood and brain health.

Dorothy:

Makes sense.

Lori:

Mm hmm. I know. And so, and they also had talked about, the WHI had done that really big, women's health study years ago, and that was the study that scared everybody off with, HRT because they were running this, this study. They were like, oh my goodness, it's causing breast cancer. Stop it now, you know, put out the, the alerts and the problem with that study is they were studying women 60 years and plus who already were coming in with heart disease. Memory changes and so on. So they were, and what they're saying is, is really what they need to do is start studying us women in our thirties and follow us all the way through. The problem is it's, so big. It's just, it's not cost effective, right? It would cost so much money.

Dorothy:

Mmhmm.

Lori:

And so here they are still trying to, they're like, when they ran this WHI study, they're trying. To do a study, but they're doing it on the wrong population that is skewing the data.

Dorothy:

Mmhmm.

Lori:

So then everybody got scared. Women were going off all their hormones, again, what are they seeing rises in the heart disease, dementia, as we just discussed, and, um, to this day, Um, any product that is out there that could, affect hormones and whatnot, like say even on this, like vaginal estrogen, there's labels that the doctors these days are trying to fight to get off of these products because on these products, it has these big warnings may cause heart disease, may cause cancer. And that's inaccurate. So that study put a scare out into the world. Products got labeled as being dangerous, and none of that is the case. None of that's the case. So again, there's this shift where we have to understand the data, understand the risks and the benefits, um, and just keep sharing, this misinformation that was out there is really what it comes down to Didi. Mm hmm.

Dorothy:

I just, just talking to the girl at Starbucks who took my order. She was in her late twenties and I was like, Hey, just so you know, menopause,

Lori:

know. Uh But no, this is, this is what it is. And you know, it's just like anything, right? I mean somebody can tell you something, but until you're in it and experiencing it, it's not quite the same. It doesn't have, the same amount of charge. But we just got to keep talking. And ladies, please keep listening. If you're in your 30s, just put this in the memory bank. And just know, cause you know, like they say, each woman who was born a woman, you are going to go through this change. You're going to go through perimenopause. You're going to go through menopause. You're going to go through it. Some go through it more easily than others. Um, but the point is there is a change. There's help. There's assistance. And when you're not feeling yourself, when, you've noticed changes in your libido, your mood. Your energy, you're with all these symptoms, going to the dentist, and now you have receding gums that you never had before. Investigate it, investigate it. And that's what they're saying. You know, it's HRT and stuff is not for everybody. It's an individual choice, but educate yourself, please. And not come at it from, A fear factor as well.

Dorothy:

absolutely.

Lori:

Mm hmm.

Dorothy:

looking for that right, practitioner as well, because it might take two or three or four visits before you find someone who understands it and

Lori:

Yes.

Dorothy:

get the help you need.

Lori:

you have to, ladies. Because they were saying there's currently there is only 1. 8 percent of the population that's on hormone replacement

Dorothy:

Oh, wow.

Lori:

It's very small. It's pretty small. It's very small. Um, and other things that are, kind of being said too is like, Oh, now they're going to overprescribe, We're not overprescribing. We're only at 1. 8 percent of the population.

Dorothy:

Oh

Lori:

Yeah. We're only at 1. 8 percent of the population. But again, You're experiencing depression, and look, what is the age that you're at? So maybe HRT can help you before an antidepressant, so it's just, again, it's putting on different lenses, looking at yourself, checking in, saying, I don't feel right. I don't feel like me and getting those doctors that will support you. Um, but yeah, we have to be, it's a grassroots. You know, movement for sure, but yes, please, everybody, if you get the chance, it's only 50 minutes, pbs. org, the M factor, and it is just, it is information to have, whether you decide to or not to do, HRT, but for me, it was a game changer and, I will remain on it until the day I die. And, and the good part is I can,

Dorothy:

I guess. Yes.

Lori:

I thought there was a window that you, had to stop it by, the reality is, is keep it going, keep it going. I know

Dorothy:

Thank you for the info lore. Thank you for going and for sharing.

Lori:

know, this is my, one of, one of my passions, women's health and just, yeah, we don't have to be miserable and suffer. And that's the thing. I mean, I went through hell. I don't want others, to go through that. Mm hmm. I know, and you're, you know, you're, you're on your

Dorothy:

I'm right behind you. No, I know. That's why I call you every other day going, Tell me more. What about this?

Lori:

well, and you're getting, you're, you're starting to get your supplementation now

Dorothy:

Uh, yeah?

Lori:

It'll be really interesting to see how you start to feel

Dorothy:

Oh, I can't wait. I just have to wait for the right days in my cycle, but yes, it's starting. I'm very excited.

Lori:

Yay. Yay. Well, thank you everybody for tuning in as always. We'll have all this stuff linked in the show notes and, again, stay curious, we'll see you next time.

Dorothy:

Bye!

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