Artificial Intimacy + Resiliency in a Digital World

Ever found yourself chuckling at the synchronicity of life, like showing up in the same outfit as your friend without planning it? Well, Pam Cass and I, Natalie Davis, had one of those moments, which sparked a whirlwind discussion on the fascinating world of artificial intimacy. Join us as we peel back the layers of our digital lives, where online matchmaking has become as routine as morning coffee and algorithms nudge us into echo chambers. We'll navigate the complexities of virtual connections and the impact they have on our ability to form genuine human bonds.

There's something magical about music's ability to unite people, isn't there? It's a theme that echoes throughout our conversation, reminding us of the shared experiences that shape our lives. I'll even share a rather comical tale from a technology-free hike that went hilariously awry, highlighting the importance of being present in the moment. We'll ponder the question: Do these digital interactions enhance our connections, or do we lose a piece of authenticity along the way?

As we wrap up, we urge you to take a step back and consider the connections you cherish. Can artificial intimacy ever measure up to the real thing? We'll share insights on how to cultivate genuine relationships in an increasingly virtual world. So if you're ready to challenge the status quo of your social circles and reignite your inner resilience, tune in, subscribe, and join us for a journey through the delightful and sometimes deceptive world of artificial intimacy.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:06

In the grand theater of life. We all seek a comeback, resurgence, a rekindling of our inner fire. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience. This is not just another podcast. This is a journey, a venture into the heart of human spirit, the power of resilience and the art of reigniting our passions.

Speaker 2: 0:28

Welcome back to Reignite Resilience. I am your co-host, natalie Davis, and I'm so excited to be back with you all today. Joining me is none other than Pam Cass. Hey Pam, how's it going?

Speaker 1: 0:39

It is fabulous and I'm just like giggling to myself right now, because we got on this call an hour and two minutes ago to start recording and we maybe we should just start recording as soon as we jump on so that people can hear the behind the scenes, the back and forth, the idea sharing.

Speaker 2: 1:02

Listen. The last hour was some good stuff the idea of sharing.

Speaker 1: 1:05

Listen the last hour was some good stuff. It was good stuff and I'm like I remember everything we talked about.

Speaker 2: 1:10

We probably should have recorded that as well. So we had like a whole episode that. I definitely think a huge part of that could have been one of the episodes and maybe we turn it into a future episode.

Speaker 1: 1:26

We're saying yes to the wrong things or not saying no to the things we need to say, no to yes, and waiting for some catastrophic thing to happen to make us make those tough decisions. Instead of just doing it, just do it. We know it's leaning into the fear, which is all about resilience. It's all about leading into it and just taking the chance and trusting that it's going to. It's going to. It's the right thing.

Speaker 2: 1:50

No, you, I and I think we're we're definitely going to bring this topic back, just so you guys know and also so you know, this is not what we're talking about today, but I do. I do want to say like, yeah, we're just, we're just catching you up on the last hour of our lives. But I do think, like we, there are a couple of things that happen. One is like we want this big, grandiose message of yes, you're doing the right thing. And then, when we make the decision, it's like we want the firework show as well, like good, it's like just do it without the extra, and you know what?

Speaker 1: 2:21

I just had an idea. I think what we start doing is let's record the, the, the front end of our podcast, before we jump on and the outros, and let's drop it in our our subscription site. So people can get a little glimpse of behind the curtain with us. And it's not that, it's it's. It's not like monkeys flying around. It's actually. It's actually. It's a lot of creative energy and a lot of laughter.

Speaker 2: 2:47

There's a lot of laughter. Yeah, nothing too salacious or anything like that. That's not crazy.

Speaker 1: 2:52

There's no cursing, there's no drama, it's just hilariousness.

Speaker 2: 2:56

It is it is and reflection, which is always good. Yeah, I agree, I agree, but now it's kind of like a bloopers reel without the bloopers piece.

Speaker 1: 3:13

Yes, yeah, I love it. Yes, all right Done. Maybe we'll post those also with videos.

Speaker 2: 3:19

Yeah, we can put a face to a name, absolutely. I would like to point out I know that you guys get to listen to us. You don't get to see us, but I Pam has not realized that I'm about to make this observation but Pam and I have had three calls this week with each other, and each time we get on the call, for whatever reason, we're both in the same color palette. Um, and don't worry, it doesn't get too creative. It's either black or white, but we happen to do it at the same time. Um, so I always find that interesting as well. It's like we get a memo on what the attire, the appropriate attire for our calls are.

Speaker 1: 3:47

Well, it's not hard, because I have 15 shades of black in my closet. It's short black, long black, heavy black, light black.

Speaker 2: 4:00

I feel like that's a different podcast. 15 shades of black. It's a different show.

Speaker 1: 4:04

Totally different show. Totally different show.

Speaker 2: 4:08

Oh my gosh. Well, you guys, here's the thing. Today we are talking about something that probably would not no, not, probably was absolutely not even on my radar 10 years ago. And it's on my radar today mainly because Pam put it on my radar, and I love when she like drops little nuggets as a text message, like hey, what do you think about this?

Speaker 2: 4:29

I'm like OK, let's, let you don't know, what that is, but we will dive right into it. So today we are actually talking about artificial intimacy, and so I'm excited to dive into it because it's a real thing and it is. I think it has had an impact on my life. I just didn't have a name for it. Right? It's so surprising how many things we adopt and incorporate into our lives, but we don't give it a title or definition or meaning. So, artificial intimacy, pam, tell us what are we going to talk?

Speaker 1: 5:01

about? Yeah, so I was. You know me, I'm always listening to different podcasts and I'm always looking for just a little nugget of something that I've not heard before. And this was an interview between a I believe she's a doctor and a Brene Brown, who I love, and she brought up the term artificial intimacy and I was like wait what? And then she started talking more about it and I'm like, oh my gosh, that is so interesting. And some of the things she talked about was, you know, sitting at a restaurant with somebody else. Your plate of food comes and you're excited about the food and you're like, oh no, no, no, don't eat it yet because I need to take a picture of it and post it on social media, totally.

Speaker 1: 5:50

And then she talks about being at a concert and how we're watching the concert through our phone as we're recording it, rather than actually being present in the concert and in the artificial intimacy piece of it is having these intimate relationships with people that we're not. We can't feel in touch. Yeah, it's, you know, people connecting with us, those relationships through Facebook, but not in person. Yeah, and I just thought it was such an interesting take on it that I was like I feel like we need to talk about this. I see it with kids, like during the pandemic it was huge. It was huge and I think we've not fully come out of that. I think we still, because I mean Zoom shoot. I barely knew how to spell Zoom before the pandemic.

Speaker 1: 6:47

Exactly, and now it's like I couldn't imagine not having it, and I'm on Zoom every single day, probably.

Speaker 2: 6:54

Absolutely, Absolutely. And the connections and the relationships that you have with people that are only based off of Zoom or that they've only seen you in a virtual setting, right? They either your highlight reel that appears on social media or your resume that's on LinkedIn, or you when you're showing up for a Zoom call or a Zoom meeting or you're doing a Zoom presentation. I think even our podcast. I think we can go as far as that, because I've shared in previous episodes where people like come up to us and they have conversations with us and they talk about it, talk about our lives with us, and we just met them and we're like I'm sorry, I don't know your name and you know so much about me.

Speaker 1: 7:35

I'm like oh yeah, we tell everybody everything about it. I had somebody this week call me who I really don't know personally and asked how my puppy is. I'm like, how do you know I have a puppy? I'm like, oh, the podcast, the podcast, that's right, the podcast. Yeah, yeah, just so interesting. Yes, that we're living these lives like this.

Speaker 2: 7:59

Agreed and it's, and I want to just qualify I do. I am that person that will take a picture of a meal if it is like a beautiful presentation or if I need to continue to raise my Google Maps score because that's something that's important to me, but I will stop you from eating your meal to take a picture of it. But you're right, it definitely will, like those types of things, interfere or even cause a little bit of a hiccup when you're talking about real life, emotional connection with the person that you're actually experiencing the meal with. It's kind of a pause or a hiccup because you know, insert, whatever it is, platform photo, portfolio, whatever it is that you're creating that needs to be completed.

Speaker 1: 8:44

Yeah, you know, I sat on a class yesterday. You and I jumped on a call, I think, after I did the class, and the gentleman that was leading the class talked about a question that he was asked. And he asked his daughter this question. And the question was if you could have any superpower at all, what would that superpower be? And his daughter said I would like to be able to talk to animals. And he asked her so why? Why would that be your superpower? It's like because when you and mommy are on your phone, I'd have someone to talk to.

Speaker 1: 9:21

Oh pull the dagger out of your heart.

Speaker 2: 9:23

Oh my gosh to talk to.

Speaker 1: 9:28

Oh, pull the dagger out of your heart, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 9:29

So um, and in this class I took was all about becoming indistractable because we're so distracted with the amount of likes and follows and, um, you know everything about our phone. Who's looking at us on Instagram? Yeah, and so we're losing that true connection with people, that physical intimacy that we have with people. And when it comes to the Zoom stuff, it's so interesting because I do a big conference every year and then I have the opportunity to sit in on a class that's taught here in Fort Collins, and a lot of times there are my students or my coaching clients are in those sessions and I get to see them for the first time. I've only ever seen some of these people for a year over Zoom and the comments you know you're like oh my God, you're shorter than I thought you were.

Speaker 1: 10:18

Exactly, or you're this and I'm like don't say older, because then we're not friends anymore. This and I'm like don't say older, because then we're not friends anymore.

Speaker 2: 10:26

This relationship is officially over. If you say that it's older, I do.

Speaker 1: 10:30

I will. I am known to use the Zoom filters. I'm not going to lie. Yes, lighting is key. Lighting is key, but the energy that I feel because I mean you and I are on this call it's a totally different energy when you are face to face with a human. A hundred percent, Absolutely, Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 10:51

Well, and you touched on a big piece, I think, when we talk about, like the virtual connections, especially that the younger generation they have and they all start from a place, and that was a huge generalization. So I apologize. I'm sure that there are many people that have this, but I'm witnessing it more just because I witnessed it more firsthand with my daughter, and so they'll have these virtual connections where they connect with people, strangers, online, and it's because they end up following their page, they start a little chat together or group chats together. I have heard so many stories of relationships that have started on a virtual platform, and when I say relationships like friendships, they say this. Specifically with my daughter a few months ago and it might have been last spring she was going out and doing brunch with a group of ladies and I said, oh well, how do you know these ladies? And she said, oh, tick tock. I said, excuse me, and she goes yeah, we've never met, but we follow the same people.

Speaker 2: 11:51

We started a group chat and we decided that we we all live in the same area and so we decided that we would meet up for brunch and I thought, so you've, you've never met these people, right? So of course I go into mama bear mode. I'm like safety first, but this is a real thing. She's like, it's no big deal. We have a lot in common. We've been chatting for months online and we just figured we would meet and connect in person. This is this piece Like. I feel like these are the virtual relationships that are forming One. They may not have had the opportunity to make those connections you know historically, but it definitely is changing how relationships are coming together and the growth and development of relationships moving forward.

Speaker 1: 12:33

And I think what I love about that because, I mean, I think there could be a negative piece of this artificial intimacy, but I think there's also a positive it's opening, it's erasing borders, it's allowing us to have relationships with people across the country that we never, ever would have had before. Right, and your daughter's taking it a step further by. Okay, well, we know each other. Now let's, let's actually meet, and I love that. And so and that's what I try to do I let my students and clients if you're ever in this area, if you're going to be in this conference, look me up. I will absolutely do whatever I can to come and see you in person, because I do want to make that connection. A lot of us are working from home and we don't get the normal and not as many people showing up at the office, so you, you are, you do feel disconnected.

Speaker 1: 13:34

And so if you've got these platforms where you can get some of that connection, get some of that intimacy, I think it can be a very positive thing.

Speaker 2: 13:43

I just think that it can also be a negative thing if that's all we're doing or if it's in replacement of the people that are present in your life, like real life relationships for the people that are in your life, yes, or or even introducing the people into your life, right, where you just keep it at a virtual relationship forever and not have those deeper, meaningful relationships? Yeah, absolutely. The crazy piece, pam, is that either way, like, if you're looking at it from you know, making connections online, connecting with people on TikTok, like my daughter did, like things like that. The wild part of it and this is again feeds into both the positive and the negative is it all stems from the algorithm, right? So it's not like you're intentionally making a choice of I need to connect with people in this part of the country.

Speaker 2: 14:34

It is more of a. I'm connecting with these people because we have a common interest and the algorithm continues to feed us things that we like, right, that's how it is built. It wants to continue to feed us things that make us happy, so that we have those releases that you know create the joy and excitement in our lives. So we're like truly entrusting the algorithm with who it's going to bring towards us and then we take it from there in terms of developing those relationships. But the negative side of that is the same. It's in terms of the algorithm If it is only sending you things that you like or that you're familiar with the likelihood of you like broadening your reach, right. Like maybe, yes, you're connecting with new people, but you're connecting with more people that are like you, that like your stuff, right, like they like the same things, and that's kind of how we work as a society anyway, but the algorithm just amplifies that times 10, I feel right. It's like just stop looking, let me send you people.

Speaker 1: 15:34

Yeah, that is such a good point because when we think about, you know, diversity and inclusion, if we're being, this algorithm is just drawing us towards people that have the similar beliefs and that are similar to us. Yeah, is that creating more of a divide? Oh, in our country, I mean, it's just it's definitely not creating bridges, that's for sure.

Speaker 2: 15:59

No, it's not. It's not no that's it.

Speaker 1: 16:03

That is an interesting and that I would put in the you know, something that could be a negative with that artificial intimacy, because if it is only because you know, our brain will naturally seek out things that validate what we believe. So if the computer is doing the same thing, it's only bringing people into our world that have our similar beliefs, into our world that have our similar beliefs then you're building these bigger groups of people with similar beliefs and creating these bigger divides between other people, and so I think that's a really interesting-.

Speaker 2: 16:35

So any stereotypes that you may have or belief systems that you have, that may not be true. You just continue to fill in the blank with the same type of beliefs with the people that you're choosing to surround yourself with. Wow.

Speaker 1: 16:50

Yeah, I think that's something. So how do we overcome that? And I guess, the awareness.

Speaker 2: 16:58

It has to be intentional, it absolutely is. And when you really think about it, I think we're too far in right. We're too far into leaning on the algorithm. And I am not anti-technology, I think technology is fabulous, I think it's really important. I'm grateful for the advancement of technology, but 10, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, I guess 20 years ago now the only thing that we really had that was quote unquote an algorithm that initiated this artificial intimacy would have been like dating sites, right, like, and it's the algorithm that's connecting you. It's like you like cats, he also likes cats. Y'all should go to lunch, like, check it out. And so it started out very, very basic, and now it has advanced to so many degrees that you can't even like talk about cats anymore before your device sends you a recommendation For a breeder, exactly, and cat food is delivered from Amazon and all the things Cat toys Exactly.

Speaker 2: 18:04

You get all of that I'm just kidding to my phone Please don't send me anything about cats. But like, it started very simple and it was just relationships. And 20 years ago when we met someone that connected with someone online, it was like, well, that's different. Now it is the absolute norm. It's like oh, of course you met online, why. I don't understand.

Speaker 1: 18:26

It's kind of like you expect it. Where else are you going to meet if you're at your house working, exactly, if you never leave your home, if you never leave your home and never get out of your pajamas?

Speaker 2: 18:36

Yes, it's hard to meet somebody. It's hard to meet other people. Yes, romantic and otherwise, oh my gosh, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 18:44

On that. On that same podcast, they talked about things that connect people and bring people together and, of course, when I heard the artificial intimacy, I went back to oh my gosh, our. Our second episode, which was really our first content episode, was on staying engaged in an unengaged world, and they talked about how music is something that connects us and they talked about events that they have both done where they were international, so they were other side of the world and they would play a song and everyone knew the words to the song. Words to the song. And this last Friday I went with a few friends down to a local venue and there were these two gentlemen and it's called choir, choir, choir, and these two Canadians, and one of them was a choir leader and the other one plays a guitar. They're both singers and they led our entire group for two hours through, basically like we were a choir and we sang ABBA, ABBA songs.

Speaker 1: 19:52

And as I'm sitting there and I'm I'd love to just watch the room, but I'm sitting there and there's college kids, there's an elderly woman and her friend in a wheelchair next to me. Yeah, not a single person was on the phone because we were reading the words to the songs on the screen. Yes, and in that moment I mean I stink. I'm not a singer, but I couldn't hear myself. Thank goodness, yes, we were all singing loud and I was like this brings people together.

Speaker 1: 20:31

This connects us where it doesn't matter your age, your race, your anything. Yeah, in this moment, we all have something in common. We all are reading this. Everybody knows all the songs. For goodness sakes, we all know.

Speaker 2: 20:44

No, I was just sitting here thinking I'm so glad I was not in that space. I couldn't tell you not one verse of one song. Have you not seen Mamma Mia? No, that's also something that I have not done.

Speaker 1: 20:55

Yes, wow, natalie, I don't know if we can be friends.

Speaker 2: 21:01

You know what the algorithm would not have connected us. Wow not have connected us, wow, we would not have gotten the match. It's like she has not seen mamma mia and doesn't know all the songs, so no match.

Speaker 1: 21:14

Well, you know sweet caroline, because we do that. Yes, we sang that. Yeah, so they they talked about the songs that are known internationally and you know, neil diamond were some of them and and the most one that was most recognized in the world is Country Road, and I was like oh really I don't know those words.

Speaker 2: 21:35

I do know those words. I do know the words to Country Road.

Speaker 1: 21:38

I probably know all the words to Country Road. We're not going to sing that, though today we would lose all of our listeners Exactly.

Speaker 2: 21:48

Oh my gosh, how funny Like I can totally sing that the words to it.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Let me be clear Not that I could sing it, I could sing the words, so I went down a bit of a rabbit hole, but I feel like there are still places and things where we can come together and be connected. And so, when we think about this new algorithm where we're being drawn to other people that have our similar beliefs, yes, being aware of that and putting yourself in situations like what I did on Friday out of my comfort zone because I don't sing in front of people yes, and. And to just be around other people that we all have something in common in that moment and nothing else really matters, yeah, yeah, it was a beautiful.

Speaker 2: 22:34

It's absolutely and I don't, I'm it's, I'm really surprised that you didn't have like the introduction of some type of platform, a tech or social media platform in that space, because it's totally an opportunity where you could record and you know, it's like here I've got to capture this moment and I know that the, the, it's kind of a joke of if you don't have a photo, did it really happen? Right, like that's kind of the society that we're living in now. It's like, well, did you really do it? Did you take a picture of it which I think is where, like, the meal pictures come from. It's like, well, did you eat there if you didn't take a picture of your plate? So that's, that's a. Those are kind of the things where it's it's so easy to reintroduce technology in a space where you're having that traditional human connection with other individuals around one focus.

Speaker 1: 23:22

But what if we just practice being present?

Speaker 1: 23:26

and then, just recalling the memory in our brain, in our mind, I recently did a hike and this was hilarious, because I've done this before. I try to be very intentional about not having my phone out when I go on hikes. Yeah, and we were in a place that there was not going to be cell service for a bit of it. Well, what I didn't realize is that my phone, inside my backpack, was sending an SOS message to 911. Oh my gosh. And the five emergency to 911. Oh my gosh. And the five emergency contacts that are in my phone, which I did not find out until we were at the end of the hike and I couldn't figure out why. The kid at the top of the hill on his phone looked familiar and it was my son, drove all the way to the trail ahead because he thought I was dead.

Speaker 2: 24:19

In danger.

Speaker 1: 24:20

Yes, oh my goodness and her entire family drove up from Denver because they thought I was dead.

Speaker 2: 24:30

And they're all calling each other and trying to call you.

Speaker 1: 24:33

Which I got. None of that until I left the parking lot and all of a sudden, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, all the hundred text messages are you alive? Are you okay? Where are you? Oh, my gosh, we're coming so sometimes trying to be present. Um, you should just leave your phone in the car, not in your backpack you guys, we can't make this stuff up. Thank goodness, like helicopters and search and rescue didn't come hovering over me, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 25:08

Oh my gosh, oh wow. Be aware of your settings on your devices. I think it's any and all of the above, anything that will record take photos, videos, send SOS signals. Be aware of what buttons those are on your phone, if you do have your phone trying to be present.

Speaker 1: 25:25

Yes, but I am proud of myself that for two hours I was unplugged. Yeah, now, my family wasn't, but I was unplugged.

Speaker 2: 25:34

They were on edge. It had to meet for happy hour.

Speaker 1: 25:41

Yeah, so there's that. So anyway, oh my gosh, I think you're right.

Speaker 2: 25:47

It's.

Speaker 2: 25:47

It's it's actually totally like being intentional about when you're being present, and I know there are moments that you want to capture and experiences that you want to share with the world.

Speaker 2: 25:55

I think those are important and because that's actually what continues to expand our horizon and erase those borders.

Speaker 2: 26:02

As Pam mentioned, like I'm not going to know about, you know, the resort in Bali, unless someone is like sharing pictures and video testimonial about it, and now I'm like that's on my radar, was never on my radar before. So we want to share that so that we can continue to have that connectivity throughout the world. But I think being intentional gives us an opportunity to make sure that we're seeking balance in it, that we're not overly plugged in to the artificial police or the online virtual portion of life and actually being engaged and looking up and seeing the people's eyes I like to say eyeball to eyeball the eyeballs that are sitting in front of you and around you in that moment that's experiencing it with you, Absolutely Cause that's what our initial podcast was talking about being at that restaurant looking around at all of these families that were sitting down at their phones, rather than I mean, we were in a restaurant that was all glass on the side, looking out on the ocean.

Speaker 2: 27:01

Yeah, with a sunset, with the sunset and it was a very romantic dinner for Pam and I, yes.

Speaker 1: 27:09

As we were plotting our net, our first episode.

Speaker 2: 27:12

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 27:13

This is good material. Yeah, exactly, we're always watching.

Speaker 2: 27:17

We are. Yeah, exactly, we're always watching, we are. If you're out there and we see it, you may become part of this episode you may be talked about. We will not use your name Never, never, never never share your name or likeness, unless you choose to be a guest.

Speaker 2: 27:32

Yes yes, no, but it's so true In that first episode we dove into that Like there were, and it was every mix of relationship that you can imagine, right. So if it was significant others kids involved, multiple kids that were involved I think we walk you guys through that and just really looking around the restaurant and realizing, oh my gosh, no one in this space is connected with the exception of, technically, one table, because Pam and I were too busy engaged, like taking all of it in that we weren't like necessarily engaged, we were looking at everything else and observing, yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:12

So, yeah, I think you nailed it. It's being intentional. Yeah, it's intentionality about I'm going to go on this hike. The phone's going to be out to take a couple of pictures at the beginning, maybe halfway through, and then it's put away so that I can have these pictures to share with people that did this beautiful hike. Look at this beautiful thing. So we want to have those memories, but but not having it out the whole time, so that we're experiencing life through that little screen.

Speaker 2: 28:43

Through a lens, through the screen.

Speaker 1: 28:45

Yeah, Because it does. It changes your perspective A hundred percent.

Speaker 2: 28:51

I think the other piece of that is also making sure that you're not just simply observing life through the screen. Right, if it's you yourself that's capturing that, or you sitting at home on your sofa in bed, whatever, just watching other people living life through their lens yeah, take those opportunities to live life through your own view and not through the lens. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:12

Yeah, journal about it. You know, if you took a couple of pictures that night before you go to bed, you know gratitude and journal about what you experienced, because you you don't the pictures and I don't have any pictures from that hike. But if I had pictures from that hike you wouldn't know the story behind it of the SOS and the people that showed up. No, so I wrote all that down because it was, it was funny to me. It apparently wasn't funny to everybody else.

Speaker 2: 29:41

It is not funny to anyone else.

Speaker 1: 29:44

I tell my family I'm like, well, I do that to see who shows up, because then I decide who gets to stay in the will and who gets removed.

Speaker 2: 29:52

I thought you were going to say it determines who's your favorite. Oh my gosh, we do not encourage anyone doing this.

Speaker 1: 30:03

No, don't do it, don't do that, because what will happen is is this someday I really will need the SOS and I'll be like and no one's going to come.

Speaker 2: 30:11

Yeah, it's going to be. She's officially the girl who cried wolf. Oh my goodness. Yes, all right, I love it.

Speaker 1: 30:20

Well, this is great. Do we think we've kind of dipped in, dipped our toe in it? You know, it's a, it's a new term I've not ever heard before. I thought it was worth a conversation and you know, just be aware of it, I guess. I mean, if we can just bring some awareness to it and ask yourself, you know, is this artificial intimacy, or am I truly present in this moment, experiencing life with the people that are around me? And then make sure that you're not just surrounding yourself with those like-minded people, challenge yourself Exactly, meet new people. The great thing is about the classes and the people we coach. They're from all over, with all different backgrounds and beliefs, and so we're exposed to different people all the time, which I absolutely love.

Speaker 2: 31:07

Yeah so yeah, just be aware I love that Fabulous, and if you are looking for additional information or resources on that, I know that there are a couple of podcasts that touch on this. There is a book by Rob Brooks. It is actually called Artificial Intimacy, virtual Friends, digital Lovers and Algorithmic Matchmakers. He's out of Wales, so European author, so you can check that out. Dive into it and I always say, if you are not sure where you stand because we don't take those moments to pause and think how much am I actually living in the moment? How often am I present with the people that I'm connecting with on a daily, weekly, monthly, annual basis? Just do that assessment with yourself, where you know, wherever you are within the year when you're listening to this. Just look back over the last six months or so and think, okay, was I more um focused on making sure that the experience was Instagram worthy or that it was like an experience that was memorable for me and the person that was there with me?

Speaker 1: 32:14

I love it.

Speaker 2: 32:15

Yeah, I love it, amazing. Oh, my goodness, I love it.

Speaker 1: 32:18

Yeah, I love it. Amazing, oh my goodness, it's a place to land on.

Speaker 2: 32:20

I love it. I love that. Well, as usual, you guys. If you want to learn more about what we have going on at Reignite Resilience, you can head on over to our website, reigniteresiliencecom. You can see all of our happenings there, become part of our VIP community, hear about our masterclasses that are up and coming. There are a couple of freebies on the Reignite Resilience site as well. If you want to download an ebook for a course that Pam and I had the opportunity of teaching a couple of weeks ago, and if you want to rewatch or watch the replay of that, you can check that out there as well. We are constantly looking for opportunities to continue to provide you value and resources and tools that you can use to continue to be resilient and igniting that fire within.

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Yeah, and until next time, if there's topics you want us to cover that you've heard about, if you're interested in being a guest, reach out to us, so we would love to hear from you.

Speaker 2: 33:14

Would love to hear from you.

Speaker 1: 33:15

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 33:16

I appreciate it. Thanks, pam, for the topic. This was awesome.

Speaker 1: 33:19

Yeah, absolutely. It was great to see you and we promise we will start recording our reels before and after You're going to love it.

Speaker 2: 33:26

You guys, if you just, if you could just hear any version of it, if you think we're fun in the podcast?

Speaker 1: 33:34

just wait.

Speaker 2: 33:35

Just wait, you just wait.

Speaker 1: 33:37

You don't even know, you just don't even know. And we've got our Think Week coming up in June.

Speaker 2: 33:44

Yes, we are.

Speaker 1: 33:45

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're going to have to do, we're going to do an episode from there. So we are, we are.

Speaker 2: 33:51

We won't share too many of the specifics and details, but this is the week where Pam and I get to unplug, dive in, figure out life, like we get our whole lives together and then we bring it back to you and it only takes us one week to do it Exactly Every year. Every year, though, Annually, one week annually.

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Every year we have to spend a week getting our whole lives back together, but this is where it'll be. A year ago, yes, it'll be a full year since we actually recorded our first episode, which is exciting.

Speaker 2: 34:25

So it's huge.

Speaker 1: 34:25

A bit of a celebration. So a hundred percent.

Speaker 2: 34:28

I love it. Oh my gosh, it's always a pleasure. You all. We will see you on the next episode Talk soon. Thank you for joining us on today's episode of Reignite Resilience. We hope that you had amazing ahas and takeaways. Remember to subscribe on your favorite streaming platform, like it and download the upcoming episodes, and if you know anyone in your life that is looking to continue to ignite their resilience, share it with them. We look forward to seeing you on our future episodes and until then, continue to reignite that fire within your hearts.