Embracing the Struggle + Resiliency with Kevin Palmieri (part 1)

When Kevin Palmieri's enviable life began to crumble beneath the weight of internal struggles, he chose transformation over defeat. Alongside myself, Natalie Davis, and my co-host Pam Cass, we welcome Kevin to share his story on Reignite Resilience. His journey from the depths of despair in his twenties to a life of holistic growth and purpose is nothing short of inspirational. It's a tapestry of life lessons that will resonate with anyone who's ever felt that their outward success failed to align with their inner happiness.

The road to a million listens has been paved with authenticity and the courage to present our true selves, both online and off. Throughout this episode, we celebrate this milestone while reflecting on the deceptive gloss of social media, emphasizing the importance of character and intention in building not just a brand, but a legacy. Personal growth narratives from us, your hosts, intertwine with Kevin's, encouraging listeners to embrace their own journeys and recognize the value of integrity in crafting a life story worth telling.

Finally, the healing power of facing our deepest wounds head-on comes to life in my personal recount of reconnecting with my estranged father. The emotional whirlwind of forgiveness and the setting of boundaries illuminate the path to self-acceptance and the maturity that follows. We lay bare our vulnerabilities and triumphs in this episode, inviting you to kindle your own resilience and passion. Join us for an honest exploration of the flames we've stoked within ourselves and how you, too, can keep yours burning brightly.

Transcript

Pamela Cass: 0:06

in the grand theater of life. We all seek a comeback, resurgence, a rekindling of our inner fire. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to reignite resilience. This is not just another podcast. This is a journey, a venture into the heart of human spirit, the power of resilience and the art of reigniting our passions.

Natalie Davis: 0:30

Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience. I am your co-host, natalie Davis, and I am so happy to be here. And joining me, of course, is our fabulous co-host, pam Cass. How are you, pam? You know what it's.

Pamela Cass: 0:43

Friday it's a beautiful spring day. We've got a guest today, so it's a good thing. It's a good week.

Natalie Davis: 0:49

I love it. Well, and here just for the listeners. So you have a frame of reference. It is Friday afternoon and Pam and I kind of set our schedules out a few months in advance and a few weeks ago we were like, why don't we schedule Friday afternoon calls? Our guests don't typically get excited on Friday afternoons. We've got to muster up the energy and, lo and behold, our guest today just came in with all the energy and dance moves. So I think we're in for a treat. I'm really excited. Agreed, agreed, I love it. Fabulous, fabulous. Well, I want to dive in because we have a special guest that's joining us today.

Natalie Davis: 1:23

Kevin Palmari Got it. I had to slow. You know the things that you do too fast. So, kevin Palmari, who's joining us today? And Kevin, I'm hoping that part of your objective in joining us today is sharing your story, because we have all, I think, experienced a story similar to yours in some way, shape or form. And this is when we are living our best lives. Things are going great, and then we start to experience what Pam and I often reference to as our country music song. Right, it's like the dog died, the car battery's dead, and now you also need to buy three appliances. But this happened to you in your 20s and you hit what you call as rock bottom, living in a basement, and then realize that there's an opportunity for you to just live this holistic life where you're continuing to grow, expand and make a difference in the world. And so I am excited to dive in and hear your story and share your story with our listeners, because I think it's a wonderful one, as we talk about overcoming adversity. So welcome Kevin.

Kevin Palmieri : 2:26

Thank you so very much for having me. I have to bring the energy because there's two of you and there's double energy, so I got to make sure I get to at least match it. Thank you for the wonderful introduction. I appreciate that very, very, very much. This is the interesting thing, for me at least.

Kevin Palmieri : 2:41

I looked like I had everything. I looked like I was successful. I looked like I had accomplished a lot. Externally yes, many of those things are true. Internally, I was very unhappy, very unfulfilled, depressed, anxious. I was riding the struggle bus but I didn't want anybody to know that I wanted to look successful. I wanted to look like I knew what I was doing. So, just for reference, because I think it's just important to set the stage I was raised by my mom and my grandmother.

Kevin Palmieri : 3:12

I didn't know my dad. I didn't meet my dad until I was 27. So that obviously played a very large role in the man you see in front of you, raised by women. I think that just gives you a different perspective just in life, right? So very grateful for that.

Kevin Palmieri : 3:26

Lower middle class, not a lot of money. I was not focused on education, quite the opposite of my business partner who you have talked to Alan, who is very focused on education. That was not me. So I decided pretty early in life that I was not going to go to college. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know what I want to do with my life. I'm not going to pay someone to try to help me find out.

Kevin Palmieri : 3:46

So my first real job, my first big boy job ever after I graduated high school, was pumping gas at the local gas station. My friends were out in college, making new friends, partying, all that. I was getting up at five o'clock, going and pumping gas from six to two, working out after that and then going and training martial arts at night. That was my life. I job hopped from there. I was a personal trainer, I was a truck driver, forklift operator. I cleaned bathrooms and floors in a hospital. I did many, many, many things.

Kevin Palmieri : 4:19

Eventually I got a job in an industry called weatherization. All that means nobody knows. If you don't know, please do not be offended, because nobody ever does. All it means is we would go into large buildings, usually schools, and it was our job to make the buildings more energy efficient. So I'd work in the attic, we'd work in the basements, we'd work on the windows, we'd work on the doors. So I went from making $15 an hour in the construction job that I was working before to $60 an hour overnight getting this new job. Then I was making like 75. It went all the way up to 120 depending on where I was working. So when I first got this job, I think it was like 23. 23, no college degree. Not a lot of people were going to bet on my success because I wasn't betting on my success. But here I am making $100 an hour. Yeah, cool, awesome.

Kevin Palmieri : 5:11

So fast forward, I'm 25. From the outside looking in, I had it all. I had a high paying job, I had a sports car, my girlfriend was a model, I was in the process of competing in bodybuilding. So I was quite literally in the best shape I will ever be, in unsustainably so New apartment, all of those things. I looked really, really, really successful.

Kevin Palmieri : 5:34

But internally I was very unfulfilled. I was very depressed. I was very anxious. I was not confident. I had low self-worth. I was riding the struggle bus.

Kevin Palmieri : 5:43

So a couple months after my bodybuilding show, my girlfriend at the time sat me down and said hey, I'm leaving. I'm not happy, I'm not fulfilled. I feel like I can't grow with you. I feel like you're kind of holding me back, which I was. Those were all unfortunate truths for me to hear. And she said I was going to break up with you a while ago but honestly I was afraid if I did it before your bodybuilding show you might've killed yourself. And I remember hearing that I was like, oh my God, what? How did we get here? How did how did I get to this place, my goodness. So she ended up leaving and I call that my, my initial rock bottom moment. Work got really slow. My bills just doubled because we were paying for everything together, to the point where my landlord said I'm going to take your ex-girlfriend to court because if the rent doesn't get paid, I have to take her to court. And I said no, no, no, don't do that. I will find a way to make this happen. I will find a way. I promise I will find a way. Just give me some time, I'll find a way to make this happen.

Kevin Palmieri : 6:39

So I remember laying in bed one night, just lonely, just quiet, the energy of nobody around, just by myself, wallowing in my own sorrow, and I said I could work on myself, I could look in the proverbial mirror and figure out what's going on with me. But I'm going to go make as much money as possible because I think that'll fix all these problems. Let's just do that. That's what we'll do. That sounds good. We're going to do that. And I said I'm going to make a promise to myself next year, every opportunity I have to make money, I'm going to say yes, as long as it's in alignment, of course, so that next year starts and I get a promotion at my company. So now I'm a foreman, which means I'm starting the jobs, I'm running the jobs, I'm closing the jobs out, and it was the busiest year the company had ever had.

Kevin Palmieri : 7:24

So I proceeded to spend the next 10 months living on the road, because a lot of our jobs were in other States and I was not staying in nice hotels. This was like we we stay in some sketchy places blood on the walls, hypodermic needles outside, not great places, yeah. So I would pack my suitcase on Sunday, I'd drive to the office I lived in New Hampshire at the time I'd drive to Massachusetts. Then from Massachusetts we'd drive six hours to New Jersey and I would live there Monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, Friday, and then after work on Friday we'd drive six hours home, sometimes eight hours depending on traffic, and that was my life for 10 months that year, but I loved it because I was making money and I was moving closer to my goals.

Kevin Palmieri : 8:07

So fast forward. We get to the end of the year. I have my final pay stub in my hand and I'm standing at my kitchen table because my ex girlfriend took the chairs. They were her chairs and I was never home, so I never got new chairs. Didn't matter, I'm not eating dinner at the table and I slid open my pay stub and my goal was to make $100,000 at 26, with no college degree, and I did it.

Kevin Palmieri : 8:29

But I had another one of those moments where I said, oh, technically, I'm in really good shape again. I have all the things again. I should be happy, but I'm not my bank account's happy, but I don't feel any different about me. I don't feel any more confident about me. I don't feel any more secure about me, and I realized in that moment that for most of my life, especially that year, I had lived unconsciously. The opposite of unconscious is hyper-conscious. So in 2017, I started a podcast called the hyper-conscious podcast, and that is where this whole journey started for me.

Kevin Palmieri : 9:04

I fell in love with podcasting. I loved having deep conversations, if you can't tell. I loved having deep conversations with amazing humans. I wanted to do it more. I wanted to do it full time. I just didn't believe I could and I just started to loathe my job. Homesick is the best way to explain it. I was homesick every time I left, every time I packed up, every time I got in that van. It was so hard for me. I couldn't hold down a relationship. It was brutal. So I started calling out of work. I started leaving the job site early, showing up late not a good employee and eventually it's got to what I call my rock bottom basement moment. Rock bottom is there and, unfortunately for some of us, we find out that rock bottom has a basement.

Kevin Palmieri : 9:47

I woke up in a hotel room in New Jersey. My alarm clock went off. I sat up, I slid to the edge of the bed, as I had done a thousand times before, and the best way to explain it is that morning it was like there was 10 televisions on in my head at the same time just noise, and every single one was on a different station. And one is saying you're stuck here forever. People like you do not get opportunities like this. Nevermind, leave them behind. Don't be stupid. Do not be stupid.

Kevin Palmieri : 10:13

If you ever did work up the courage to leave this place, what would your friends think you make more money than any of your friends? What would your family think you make more money than anybody in your family? And let's be real what are we going to do with our life? I didn't have a plan A. I feel like this is a plan B. I don't know if they make plan Cs, what are we going to do? And in that moment I thought to myself well, if I just take my life, I'll take my problems with me and I won't have to worry about any of this stuff.

Kevin Palmieri : 10:43

Luckily, I already had a really deep relationship with Alan, my business partner, but he was my friend at the time. Now he's my business partner and I. I texted him and I said hey, man, that dark place we've talked about that, that dark feeling, those dark thoughts, that helplessness, like that's where I am. I don't know if I can do this anymore. I don't know what to do. And he said many things and he's very long-winded and the thing I remember most was Kev.

Kevin Palmieri : 11:09

Over the last couple of years, your awareness, hyper-consciousness has changed a ton. Your environments have remained the same. I think it's time for you to change your environment. So three or four months later, I left my job and Alan and I partnered up and we said we're going to do this podcast thing together and we're going to build a business and we're going to try to change the world in our own unique way. And that was 2018. We partnered up and here we are, six years later with a top 100 podcast, 1700 episodes, and we actually just crossed a million listens Wednesday. So we just crossed the million listen mark.

Natalie Davis: 11:49

Congratulations In 170 countries, by the way. 170 countries, yeah.

Kevin Palmieri : 11:55

Very humbled, very blessed. I don't know how we got here most of the time, but I'm excited to be here and I got to give it everything I got to keep going.

Natalie Davis: 12:03

Wow, oh my gosh.

Pamela Cass: 12:04

I love that. There's a lot there. I think the part that stood out to me was at the very beginning when you said that to everyone. Looking in my life was perfect, and I think that so many with social media, so many of us just get to see that highlight reel of people's lives and there's this comparison that everyone does about oh my gosh, well, look at them, Look what they have going on. Natalie and I just did an episode on the unconventional journey about kids that are deciding not to go to college and do something different and that feeling that parents have about the shame because it's something different than everyone else does. So I just think it's such an interesting thing with something that probably every one of us goes through in our lives.

Kevin Palmieri : 12:52

I don't know if I've ever and I don't mean this from a place of judgment or negativity but I don't know if I've ever met anyone whose life is as good as it looks on social media and I've met a lot of people Agreed and I've worked with. This has been very interesting for me. I will connect with someone on social media and, just like I always try to do research before I meet someone, I want to know who I'm talking to and it's like, oh, this person's crushing it. Oh, my goodness, they have a nice car and they have this and they teach other business owners how to make multiple millions of dollars every year. This is awesome, awesome. And I start talking to them and I say what's going on? And they say, oh yeah, I don't have money. I don't have the money for whatever it is. It's like, wait, what? I never would have guessed that. That has been one of the truthfully saddening things, but also one of the more empowering things is you can't go off of anything. You see, even me. There was a picture that got posted yesterday that was from like three years ago. It was in the folder of posts. It got posted by the social media team. Awesome, but I was more in shape three years ago than I am today. That's just the truth of it. Most people won't tell you that, but it's very, very dangerous because you're comparing your down days to someone else's very, very, very edited, perfect days. And now we're even at the place where things are.

Kevin Palmieri : 14:13

I was watching a video the other day of someone who they said this is how much money I spend as a stay-at-home mom in New York with unlimited income. Who's not going to watch that video? First of all, what a hook. They proceeded to go okay, it's $7.50 latte, $60 on gas, $470 at BJ's. Blah blah, blah, blah blah. If you slow the video down, you start to see that all the receipts are on different days. This is all fake. This isn't real. None of this is real. This is spread over the course of 10 days, not 10 hours. Yes, but that is what's happening now. So you got to be very, very, very careful, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, wow.

Natalie Davis: 14:56

It's a strange time that we're living in, because I think there is a segment of our population that is more excited and gets more of that dopamine rush from the number of likes or shares or views or whatever from the hook and, kevin, you hit the nail on the head it's the hook, right? What's the hook that we're using to get the clicks so that they can watch the longest, the longest, and in reality, behind the camera, their life is still in disarray or shambles, or they may not know who they are or have a healthy relationship with themselves, or or what have you? We don't, it doesn't capture that piece of it and nor is there a focus or emphasis on that piece of it, and I think that there's so much more value there to do that introspective piece right, like that hyper-consciousness piece or hyper-intentional, hyper-conscious, hyper-conscious yes hyper-conscious and hyper-intentional.

Natalie Davis: 15:51

You can do that as well. There's so much more in terms of being able to be empowered in that space versus you know, I had 97% engagement and X number of downloads, or whatever that may be.

Kevin Palmieri : 16:04

Well, it's hard because you're trying to win. That's the thing, is, like one of the reasons. So it took us like three years to make money with our podcast. One of the reasons is, for the first two and a half three years, we were focused on our character and I know it probably like what were you doing for three years I don't know how to explain it there was a lot of deep conversations of like, hey, we don't say that anymore. Yes, we don't say that anymore. We'll never say that again. That's gone. That was 18 year old Kev. That was 20 year old Kev. We're we're. That's not us. We're men. We're men. Now. We're character driven, value driven men. Alan and I have had so many conversations where we're balling our eyes out, trying to figure out who we are and how to be who we are and and all of that. But one of the reasons was we wanted to work on our characters and this is like the, the vibe I'm on right now. This is one of my vibes.

Kevin Palmieri : 16:54

Yes, at the beginning of our journey, it's important to understand what are you willing to do to get to your own unique version of success. What are you willing to do? Love it. What also, are you not willing to do? Because I think that is just as, if not more, important. If you don't do what you should do, you might not get the level of success you want. If you do something you're actually not willing to do, you might regret the level of success you get. Yeah, and I think that's a real conversation worth having. For again, I don't want to project on people. From my perspective, it's a valuable thing to look at at least. Yeah, interesting.

Natalie Davis: 17:31

Well, and I think, in order to answer that, you have to take those moments to slow down and pause, and sometimes there are tears involved, but you have to slow down and pause and allow yourself to even get to that space where you can process it.

Kevin Palmieri : 17:43

Yeah, that's self-awareness, self-awareness, yes absolutely yeah.

Natalie Davis: 17:47

Well, kevin, I would love to hear, as we talk about our relationships with ourselves, the relationship that you have with yourself today, compared to the relationship that you had with yourself at 23, 24, 25. In that season of life, tell us what that looked like and looks like now for you.

Kevin Palmieri : 18:05

Yeah, I always start by saying this I don't think 22-year-old Kev would like 34-year-old Kev very much. Oh, I think 22-year-old Kev would be very triggered by 34-year-old Kev. Yeah, Genuinely, and that helps me in some regards to have empathy for people who aren't always so nice. I'm starting to understand. It makes sense Because I honestly might I might have villainized me too. 22 understand it makes sense Because I honestly might have villainized me too.

Kevin Palmieri : 18:34

22, 23-year-old Kev very, very short-sighted. I had no idea what my future was going to look like. I was lonely, super, super lonely. I was angry. I hadn't met my dad yet. At that point that was a very big unlock. I'm happy to get into that later, if you want.

Kevin Palmieri : 18:50

I wouldn't say directionless, but I would say I always felt like all the success that I created felt like luck. I got lucky to get this opportunity. I got lucky to get this opportunity. I got lucky to get this partner. I got lucky to get this, this, this. I always felt like it was luck.

Kevin Palmieri : 19:05

I never was in control of anything. Very fixed mindset. I had not read a book since high school 100% that I'm certain of but I was. This is the hard thing. I was in very, very, very good shape for most of my life. So I think people who valued that would just kind of look past the rest of it. I had something that they valued enough for them to overlook the things that I didn't have that they valued. So I got so much of my significance, Alan and I have a running joke If I was at a party with you guys and somebody spilled something, my shirt would be off before it even hit the table. I would take my shirt off to clean up the table, To clean up the mess. Yes, I knew it would get me significance. That was the one place that I felt that I had control of that. Most other people didn't. So I was there. I was in a very, very rough spot, Angry yeah, all of that.

Kevin Palmieri : 20:01

Now it's so strange because it's really weird for me to believe in myself. It's really weird for me to say, yeah, I could do that, for sure, I know I can do that. Now it's weird. I've caught myself in real time turning people off by by my belief. I've caught myself I and I know what it's like to be Alan, Cause I know Alan's done that for most of his life. It makes so much sense to me now it's very easy to lessen someone else's goals when you say like, yeah, you could. Of course you could do that. You could be a six figure earner. It's not like that, it's not. That's not the way they're thinking. They're thinking how do I get there? And you're lessening it by saying, of course you could do it. Yeah, but now, yeah, now the self-belief is the highest it's ever been. That means the falls are also the highest they've ever been, which is a potential downside.

Kevin Palmieri : 20:52

And then this has been really the self-worth thing is definitely a unique thing. I had a moment last week, two weeks ago. I was supposed to go on a podcast and my rule is and even that like this triggers me to say it my rule is, if I show up for a meeting and the other person's five minutes late, I leave. I got stuff to do, I'm busy, right. But if somebody messages me and says like, say they're seven minutes late, and they message me hey, kev, so sorry, I was running behind, I'm in the room, ready to go my natural tendency is to say, oh, my goodness, I'm so sorry. Now I try to say hey Pam, hey Natalie, sorry, we missed each other today. Unfortunately, my operating procedure is I wait five minutes and then I go to my next meeting. I get a lot of stuff going on and statistically we've seen if, if somebody is running five minutes behind, they're not coming. I'd love to reschedule if that's aligned, but it can't happen today.

Kevin Palmieri : 21:47

So uncomfortable for me to value my own time at the degree I should. But that's self-worth, so I can't just give you the ups right. Self-belief and self-worth are amazing. They're the highest they've ever been. I feel like I am so capable it's weird for me to even say it. I feel like I'm valuable for once in my life for way more than just my body. I feel like I'm valuable for once in my life for way more than just my body. But the falls are high when you believe in yourself more, and the higher your self-worth gets, the higher it is to continue to set and keep those boundaries and that type of stuff. So it's wonderful, it's I'm privileged to have the pressure that comes with it, but it is definitely a challenge still.

Pamela Cass: 22:27

Yeah. So on this journey that you've been on, from the time you were at the end of the bed and you called Alan to today, what were the things that you have done, or can you identify some of the specific things you've done to get to the place where you're at today with the high self-worth?

Kevin Palmieri : 22:43

Ooh, I learned a lot about my past. Okay, I think for a lot of us. I think we assume we are where we are today because of where what we did yesterday and, yes, but not as much as what happened to you 15 years ago, probably, or what happened to you you might not even know, you might not even remember what happened to you. I would say one of the things that probably the biggest thing besides self-improvement, learning every day and that yeah, yeah is when I, when I was 27, I was sitting on my recliner. I lived by myself at the time, very single, and I was going through my Facebook messages and I didn't realize that there's a folder for people who you're not friends with, but they send you messages. I didn't know that was a thing. So I was going through that for some reason and I saw a message and it said hey, kev, I'm blank, I'm your father's girlfriend. And again, I hadn't. I didn't know my dad. I didn't know who my dad was, and I said, no, nope, not doing this today, absolutely not. It's a weekend. I am not doing this crap today, no. But then I sat with it for a second and I said all right, let me take a look, hey, kev, I'm blank. I'm your father's girlfriend. He's been seeing what you're doing on Facebook and you look really happy and he's proud of you and all that stuff. And if you ever would like the opportunity to meet, he would like to meet you. And I remember throwing my phone on the floor, falling on the floor, bawling my eyes out, because I was the guy who said the only time I ever see my dad is when I'm at his funeral peeing on his grave. That's when I'll see my father.

Kevin Palmieri : 24:15

I was so angry, so angry, so I texted one of my friends and I said, yeah, my, and they knew me really well, they knew my story. I said, uh, my dad texted me and he wants to meet. And they said are you going to do it? I said I think I have to. Yeah, I don't want to, but I think I have to. And they said do you want me to come with you? And I said, no, this is just one of those things. I think this is one of those things I have to do alone. So I messaged back and said yeah, let's meet halfway. I think this is a good spot. What time works? Blah, blah, blah. So the day comes, I'm driving down there losing my mind probably the most anxious ever and I get there.

Kevin Palmieri : 24:51

It was a little diner in Menden, massachusetts, and I go, I get a table and I remember I had this, maybe the most humbling moment. I said I don't know what he looks like, so I don't even know how I'm going to know when he gets here. Like how am I going to know when he gets here? And I saw a guy walk by the window and I was like that's him. I don't know how I knew, I didn't know what he looked like, but I said well, that's him. So he found me because he knew what I looked like.

Kevin Palmieri : 25:16

And it was about as awkward as you can imagine it was. I was stoic. You will get no emotion out of me, you're not. I'm not gonna cry, I will not crack, you're not gonna see anything. He cried a couple of times and and you know, I'm sorry, and this and this, and how are you and how have you been? What have you done?

Kevin Palmieri : 25:33

And this was one of the things for me, the one of the biggest things for self-worth. I looked across the table and I realized that I was more the father in that relationship than he was. I was sitting across the table from a little boy who had never done any work on himself, who was toxic, who was ignorant, who was not very intelligent, and I don't mean those things as harmful, but that was just the truth. And I left that day saying, oh my goodness, I am so proud of me. I am so proud of me for all the work I've done and for all the bad decisions that I didn't make. I definitely made some in my life, of course, and I ended up seeing him a couple times after that and then one day it was like you know what? I'm good. I'm good, I've learned the lesson. I got the self-worth. I've forgiven him. I understand, honestly, it might've been better that you weren't around, truthfully, if it might've been better that you weren't around truthfully. If we're being honest, I empathize, I understand, I forgive, and it broke something free in me that I didn't know needed to be broken free and it was just like, okay, I'm a man now and that was like meeting a little boy. So that was.

Kevin Palmieri : 26:43

I think that's one of the best things that has ever happened, because I think that's where most of my low self-worth came from. I wasn't even good enough for my dad. My dad left. He couldn't even stick around. I was just a baby, I didn't have any choice in the matter. So I think that was probably the core wound. My core wound is defective, my core wound is not good enough and I've been trying to compete with that and win that what feels like unwinnable game for most of my life, and I think that's where a lot of the self-worth has come from. So I would say that's probably the biggest thing outside of learning and growing and setting boundaries, which is super hard, and maintaining boundaries, which is even harder, but that was like the big unlock for me for sure was like the big unlock for me for sure.

Pamela Cass: 27:31

Yeah Well, it was dealing with something from your past that would be carried with you continually through your life if you'd never had dealt with it.

Kevin Palmieri : 27:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was very powerful. It was very powerful and even having the power or the ability or the courage to just let it go. Yeah, I, I'm good. I'm good, I I don't want to pretend like I was going to make it a priority. I wasn't. I wasn't going to make our relationship enough of a priority for it ever to get to a reasonable place. Why are we going to drag this out? Yeah, I learned my lesson. I hope he got his lessons and he got his closure, but for me, I'm good. I feel much better now. Good, that's amazing, thank you.

Natalie Davis: 28:08

We hope that you've enjoyed part one of our two-part interview with Kevin Palmieri.

Natalie Davis: 28:13

What an amazing story that he shared so far, giving us insight in terms of what it feels like to set boundaries and honoring those boundaries, especially with the individuals that are a part of our lives, and making sure that we're crystal clear in knowing what we want and what we like the rest of our lives to look like.

Natalie Davis: 28:30

Make sure that we're crystal clear in knowing what we want and what we like the rest of our lives to look like. Make sure that you come back and join us for part two, because we're going to dive deeper and continue to do that introspective work where we get to reflect on who we are, how we're showing up and how it's impacting the world around us. We'll see you soon. Thank you for joining us on today's episode of reignite resilience. We hope that you had amazing ahas and takeaways. Remember to subscribe on your favorite streaming platform, like it and download the upcoming episodes, and if you know anyone in your life that is looking to continue to ignite their resilience, share it with them. We look forward to seeing you on our future episodes and, until then, continue to reignite that fire within your hearts.