From Identity Crisis to Spiritual Awakening + Resiliency with Gao Motsemme (Part 1)

What if the key to your personal transformation lies in embracing vulnerability and redefining your path? Meet Gao , an inspiring guest from Botswana now living in Germany, who invites us to explore resilience and self-discovery. Gao, a mother of three and a freedom illuminator, shares her captivating journey from adversity to empowerment. Her story unfolds as she navigates the complexities of identity, challenging familial expectations, and overcoming life's trials to uncover her unique gifts and purpose.

Join us as we walk with Gao through the challenges she faced growing up in a traditional family, where cultural expectations often clashed with her true self. Witness her poignant narrative as she overcomes the devastation of losing a job and the subsequent identity crisis. Through prophetic dreams and emotional trials, including the profound loss of her brother, Gao discovered a path to embracing her spiritual gifts, ultimately leading her toward self-acceptance and fulfillment.

The journey doesn't stop there. Gao's experiences of releasing preconceived notions and finding forgiveness offer a powerful lesson in authenticity. She shares the emotional depths of personal challenges, such as navigating religious beliefs and confronting a family crisis, urging us to acknowledge our vulnerabilities. As Gao leaves us eagerly anticipating more insights into accessing the highest form of currency related to our energy.

About Gao Motsemme
From the depths of adversity to the heights of empowerment, Gao Motsemme is a mother of three who emerged from the ashes of betrayal and emotional turmoil,  discovered herself and her gifts as a Freedom Illuminator, Human MRI, Psychic Surgeon discovered my gifts as a Freedom Illuminator, Human MRI, and Psychic Surgeon.
Today, she channels her experiences into empowering ambitious professionals and entrepreneurs. She guides them to master the art of captivating presence, enabling them to influence boardrooms, ignite passion in bedrooms, and thrive authentically in all life areas. Her mission is to help others transcend their past, embrace their true selves, and achieve unprecedented success and fulfillment - without c

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. Resilience where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

Speaker 2 0:41

Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience. I am your co-host, natalie Davis, and I'm so excited to be back with all of you today, and joining me is your other host, pam Cass. Hello, pam, how are you today?

Speaker 3 0:54

Hello, I am fabulous. I was just looking at my calendar. Is this our last recording for the year?

Speaker 2 1:01

For the year. This is it. This is it. I know, I know, I know it has been quite the year. Maybe we'll have to throw another bonus in there. I mean, it's been quite the year, we might have to kind of made me sad.

Speaker 3 1:13

I was like, wow, I mean we have met some of the most incredible people over this year and I really need to go back and like look at all the people because you and I were talking about. I was like you get on these calls and you meet somebody, and then the next day you meet somebody amazing and you're like, oh my gosh, I meet so many amazing people. I want to remember, I want to go back and relive some of these conversations.

Speaker 2 1:33

Absolutely and apply some of the things that we cover, because we cover so much, we learn so much during. Well, I've learned so much during our recording. So I'm on the other end because I just uploaded. So by the time this airs we'll be in a whole nother season. But I just. I think we're well past a hundred episodes. But when I loaded the hundredth episode for this year and I thought, oh my gosh, a hundred episodes in a year, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 1:58

We've come a long way.

Speaker 2 1:59

We've come a long way from recording in tropical paradise and not knowing what the heck we were doing.

Speaker 3 2:05

A hotel in Mexico our first one in Mexico, no idea what the heck we were doing.

Speaker 2 2:11

You know what? And it's worked out just fine. It's the resiliency, yes absolutely Absolutely. Well, we have eight fabulous guests joining us today, and I do not want to waste a moment, because I feel that we are going to go places today, y'all, and I'm looking forward to it. So, pam, why don't you tell our listeners who's joining?

Speaker 3 2:31

us. This is absolutely the perfect way to end the year with this guest, so I am so excited. So, from the depths of adversity to the heights of empowerment, hal is a mother of three who emerged from the ashes of betrayal and emotional turmoil, discovered herself and her gifts as a freedom illuminator, human mri and psychic surgeon. Welcome, I am so excited and so honored that you are joining us today, and it is kind of late where you're at it is, but the thing is yeah, time is just.

Speaker 4 3:05

Time is now, you know. So I'm excited to be in the moment and have this, this amazing time with you, ladies.

Speaker 3 3:12

So well, tell us your story, introduce yourself and tell us your story. You have quite a story yeah, that's a great start.

Speaker 4 3:18

Let's just jump in. Yes, before I can actually go any, I'm just going to extend my greetings to your audience. So Dumelang, dumelang, logai, and that's just my greetings in my native language. My name, I come from Botswana, in Southern Africa, but I've been residing in Germany now for 10 plus years. And when I say Dumelang, it's quite interesting because when I drop in, the first thing that this thing is taking me to is like power center. So I agree in direct translation is agree.

Speaker 4 3:49

So, if you are listening in, my question is what are you agreeing to when you saw the topic or you just know, bring that resilience, and it's like you go to podcast. What are you agreeing to every time when you tune in? That's my question. And when I say, look, I like I said I dropped in, the first thing that I felt was the power center. That's where my energy is drawn. So, lugai is more like locate yourself, where are you? Are you here fully with us, where part of you is holding into something? And it's quite interesting because, natalie and Pamela they were talking about many experts that they had and how much they have grown and learned, and I know they've been great as experts here and I know you have also grown. There is a lot that you know.

Speaker 4 4:35

So my invite today, with all that, you know what, if we choose all of us, we choose not to know and just be present, and for me, even when I say where are you, the invite is come back into your body.

Discovering Self Through Life Challenges

Speaker 4 4:48

May we draw from the mind and let go of anything and everything that we have learned, and coming back into the body is more like giving the body the power to tell us a story. What does the body wants to share in this now moment, even when I'm speaking, where are you feeling something? Because, like I said, I was at the power center. Now I'm kind of like by the waist, where it's like the root. So when you give that body permission to say, I'm allowing you to speak to me rather than me as like coming through and telling my body what it has to feel, coming from the history of what I know, because we both know that by now that change. Change is not in information but transformation. So let's just take a deep breath and be present with the moment, with the field, with our body, checking in. And imagine there is a box and you're just putting everything in there, whatever that you're holding into and allowing yourself to be present right here. So thank you, beautiful.

Speaker 2 5:45

Back into my story yes, where are you and what are you accepting? Right, that's it. Where are you and what are you willing to accept? Thank you for that. What are you?

Speaker 4 5:53

agreeing to what are you?

Speaker 2 5:55

agreeing to. What a beautiful greeting. Thank you for that. But yes, please tell us your story, tell us your story.

Speaker 4 6:02

Yeah, like I said, I come from Botswana. I come from a very, very traditional family and it's quite interesting because I love the greetings that I started with, because that's how we treat each other. And as I was born into that family, I believe I came in with this whole. Like they say, you're just riding a high horse. I came in that high horse and I'm like, hey, what's giving here, you know? Like thinking that I know who to be and all of that. And I was just told, ooh, just wait right there, this is who you have to be, you know.

Speaker 4 6:32

So as a child, I felt like I fought to be me, and one thing that I, that was back and forth with my mom, was more of that. You are not like my other children, so for me, being told that who I am is wrong or is not acceptable is the wound that one or the other I was raised in or I grew up in. So I was, I was fighting, and it's one memory that often comes through is, along the years, my mom say that again and I looked at her and I said, yeah, that's why my name is different, I'm how, I'm not them. And I think at that moment I caught her off guard because she stopped and then she laughed, but it was a laughed off. I don't know what I'm gonna do with this.

Speaker 4 7:15

I feel like it was one of those, but along the way I kind of like forgot, because I wanted to belong, because being who I am and doing what I'm doing, it's a gift that I had, and I had it even when I was a child. And one other thing when I talk about who, what are you agreeing to? I had my awareness and a lot of experiences. When I shared these experiences with my family, the first thing was, like you're gonna be a traditional doctor, so the best thing that you can do, make sure that you go to church, you know. So now I was being initiated into what they agreed to and my question was like, if at all, this is what you know exists in our family. Why are we running away from it? You know as much as I was not questioning that, but I still had that at the back of my mind because this thing is here and a lot of things are happening. I grew up with it and at times when I shared that, the response was you are weird and we don't want to be weird. So I stopped. So it's kind of like I shut it off and I tried to fit in, which also led to a lot of stuff, like maybe going out or drinking a lot, you know, because you don't want to connect to that part. But somehow there was that inner voice that always led me, because every time my go-to was dreams, even though I was shutting it off. But I knew that the moment I stopped dreaming I am way too disconnected. So I'll take my time back from the whole grooving and be with myself. But the pain or some one of the things that kind of like showed me that somehow I'm not in alignment was my relationship. You know, we all want love one with the other.

Speaker 4 8:42

So I found myself in relationships where there was a lot of toxicity, and not only romantic relationships but also professional, where my boss was kind of like a version of my mom, you know, always picking up on me and criticizing me and all that. And at home I was dealing with another version of, I would say, my father, you know as much as he died when I was 14, but there was that because there was a lot of stuff like alcohol addiction, a lot of cheating and stuff like that. So I was dealing with that. But the one thing that actually accelerated everything was when I lost my job, and I don't know about you, but my job was my identity. You know. It's something that is still me in the society when I share that, oh, I'm an accountant and I work in this company and everybody's like, oh, you work in this, so it was like something that you know.

Speaker 4 9:28

So when I lost my job, it's kind of like who the fuck am I? But that was just the beginning, you know, because shortly after the same year that I lost this job I think it was around Christmas, a week before Christmas I had this dream of my younger brother dying, like everything was so real because I was talking about the dreams he had and everything that we discussed, you know, and when I shared with him and I said, oh my God, because they went to the Kettle Post, my parents were farmers. So when he came back, I was like, oh my God, I was scared because I had this dream that you died and it was so real. And he just said, oh, I'm going gonna live for a long time. And two weeks after the accident really happened, you know, and for me there was like, oh shit, you know as much as I had lots of things that happened and like I dreamt of things and then they happened. That was like this was somebody who was very important to me and I remember when I first saw him at the hospital, I knelt down and I prayed and I said, god, do whatever that you can do to make sure that he lives. And I will do what I came here to do because somewhere deep within me I knew there is something that I'm running away from. But that was the moment when I said yes to my sole purpose, even though it was a moment of desperation, you know.

Speaker 4 10:37

And later my mom died and later I started this whole judicial thing with my ex-boyfriend. He was my boyfriend. We were not even married, so I didn't even dream or expect that it would happen that he would go to court and end up winning the case where I was separated with my children for five flipping years. That was like a defining moment, because I didn't know who the heck I was, and that dark, angry, vengeful woman came through that wanted to tear everything apart, but at the same time I was swallowed by shame and a lot of stuff, powerlessness and all that and the magic time where, kind of like a question that brought everything together, I was just coming.

Speaker 4 11:16

I moved by then already to Germany and, uh, I was coming from work, I had this desire to write. I was like, let me take a shower and then start writing. I went into the dining room I started writing who are you? Who are you without your started, with religion, without your religion, without your mother, without your father, without your house, like your job, everything that I thought or identified with. I started writing all these things without a wife, without a husband, so like like my ego. But then I was like yeah, this sounds good.

Speaker 4 11:50

I could imagine sharing that with people, but you know this sounds good. I started writing and then at the end, who are you without your children? For me, that was the question that all of a sudden, that pen felt like I'm holding a hot charcoal. I threw that pen and I stood up and I was like this is for me, and the next question was but who am I? And this is the question that I'm also extending to audience who are you? You know, and because of this journey and more, this is the reason why we're having this conversation wow, thank you.

Speaker 2 12:13

And then thank you for taking us through those the emotional places that you went through. I want to start at the end and then go back, because, as you pose the question, who are you without your children? Both Pam and I are moms Pam has three and I have two. And as you pose the question, who are you without your children? Both Pam and I are moms Pam has three and I have two.

Speaker 2 12:27

And as you just asked that question, I went to a place where I wasn't sure I was like well, who am I without my children? Who is that person? Because they are so much of who I am and why I do what I do and how I show up in the world and why I choose to show up the way that I do in the world, and it's not a question that I've ever posed to myself. No, yeah, I'm getting chills actually. Yeah, oh, my gosh. Well, I'd like to go back to the moment that you shared having the dream of your brother, and in that moment you had kind of suppressed it because you didn't want to be different or weird, or you know, we all have that desire to fit in and be accepted, did you? In that moment and during that time, realize that this was your gift that was coming out? Or were you still kind of dismissing this as a coincidence, like that? It was just something that happened to line up, coincidence?

Speaker 4 13:20

That's a good question. It's something that I knew Like, for instance, when we speak about the healing part of me I've always known I'm a healer I mean it's flipping, insane and weird at the same time as people are saying that. Even like, for instance, with this woman that I see she was like a version of my mom, I would wake up in the morning with the dream where she was shouting at me or something like that. And it happens Like it's flipping crazy, like it's insane, like it's a lot of things I can't even explain At times. Let me just like give one silly example. Maybe I need some money and I'm like visiting my boyfriend. I'm like, hmm, it would be nice if he gives me money. And then I had a dream that he gave me maybe 200 bucks or something like that. That's the money that I'm gonna receive. You know, it's kind of like that flipping, insane, crazy.

Speaker 4 14:07

But as much as I knew, the question was like one other question that I had, because I think it's because of the vibration that I was vibrating at and all the fears that I had mostly it was more, I would say, negative things and they came true. And my question again was why would you show me things if I don't have any power to change them. You know, because one other thing that is also kind of like it has that guilt is when you dream of somebody dead and then they actually die and you feel like I should have done something. You know, it's a weight on you and at times I had those and I was like why, why show me and not like give me more full info or show me what I can do? So I was looking for, I was looking for that, but again, when I look at where I come from, I say I come from a very, I would say, confused, messed up, kind of like religious system or whatever. Because as much as when I look at my family, they'll be like oh, we are Christians, okay, cool.

Speaker 4 15:05

But when I go through the whole systems, whether it's churches and all that, for me what I find is kind of like a mixture of the West part of the African tradition and the West part of the Christianity, and then they are mixed together where the big part of it was more like oppressing us women and as a child. One question that I asked was it's quite interesting because it's kind of like coming from the rebellious, cheeky me. But when I look at it, it was a right question to ask. My question was simple what if God sent me for something? And then you are telling me that as a woman, I can't stand in front and preach to people. I have my seat at the back. What if I have to be in front? What if I have something within me? So when I look at the systems that were available, they did not cater for what is in alignment with my soul. I'll sit at church and the priest is there saying what they're saying and in my mind I'm like bullshit, you know.

Speaker 4 16:02

So at the end I didn't feel the need to continue going to church. It was like a heartbreak for my mom because she was like oh my god, the way my child used to go to church. Now she's drinking and stuff like that. But I remember also one of the moments when I was probably 12 or so, I was coming from church playing with other students or classmates and I don't know, somehow I love to sway and all that and I'll do that. And every time when I do that I'll be like oh god, please forgive me that I die and all that.

Speaker 4 16:29

I did it so much. And at the end I was like okay, I'm tired, I'm tired, god, if at all I'm a sinner, then so be it, because I'm tired of this fear, I'm tired of always asking for forgiveness, I'm tired of not being free. So for me, that is like one thing that separated me with the whole religious system, but I was like open to say my way, or the way that I'm meant to express. This will come through, and I didn't know how that was going to happen. Wow, wow.

Speaker 2 16:56

And so take us then to the space, and this is where I'm sitting, so I'm hoping that this is where the listeners are as well. You're having that moment with the pen and the journal and you're writing down and you're answering those questions. Who are you without the career, without the relationship, without the children? What came out of that experience for you? What did you uncover and discover?

Speaker 4 17:18

yeah, that was like the beginning of the journey that I didn't know where it was going to lead to, but it was very necessary because I received that. And then, after some time, I received one of the, I would say, life changing call, because one thing that I was grateful for since I separated from my children was the fact that they were just okay, you know, health wise and everything. I was grateful for that every day. So I still continue with that. I'm strong woman, you know, and I'll go through it and whatever I'll fight, and all this stuff, until one day I received a call from my ex-boyfriend and he said you may need to sit down for this one Cause. At first I was like that's weird. Why is he calling me, you know? And then, at the end of the day, I picked up and he said you may need to sit down for this one. And I sat down and he said Fiona had an accident. He was bitten by two rod violas. She's currently I mean, my daughter. She's currently in the hospital and we don't know if she'll ever walk again.

Speaker 4 18:14

Wow, the only thing that could come through at the back of my mind was I'm tired. I'm tired of being strong. I am tired of being strong. That's like those words is what I kept saying.

Speaker 4 18:26

But again, it was the moment where I had to let go of being in control. I have to let go of having it together. I had to let go of whatever. And I realized at that moment it's kind of like my whole body kind of like collapsed in a way and I felt a lot of baggage that I had, that it was all heavy and I broke down and I allowed myself to, but at the same time I had to pack my bags and leave. And at that time I was married to my lovely husband, who was also not really present emotionally at the time. When I was supposed to go home. He couldn't because he was just in his own break of alcohol and all that. So now he needed to work because he was like in that three weeks that he normally takes of just drinking. So I found myself at the same time very much alone.

Speaker 1 19:18

Yet I was married you know.

Speaker 4 19:20

So I had to go back and do what I needed to do and try to find ways that I can sort of like prove that here it is, this is what is happening. So I need to go back and do what I needed to do and try to find ways that I can sort of like prove that here it is, this is what is happening. So I need to take my children with me and when I got there I tried what I tried. At the end I got my files back from the woman who was in control of monitoring this case from the hospital the social worker and she said how is the spiritual case? It's very simple. If you are meant to have your children, you would have gotten them, but you are fighting a spiritual war. And she gave me back the files and in the end I came back to Europe by myself.

Speaker 4 19:53

At the time, still, there was still that anger and all that, and one of the things that came through in one of my meditations I need to forgive. I just laughed like I'm laughing, but the crazy laughter, with tears rolling down, and I'm like, whatever Fuck you think you are, you feel crazy. Forgive, what are you talking about? Forgive everyone involved. In this case, I'm like you don't even. Do you really know how I felt? Do you really know what happened? And the question was just still the same.

Speaker 2 20:24

Doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 20:25

Yeah, still forget what happened when the children were with you. What were you going to do, you know? And another thing was do you really want your children back? And that caught my attention and I said, yeah, but at that moment I was just like I don't know how to forgive. I don't know how. And that was like my honest truth.

Embracing Vulnerability and Authenticity

Speaker 4 20:41

And I was just guided to always show up in my meditation and because the question was just that, are you willing and I'm talking about forgiveness, because forgiveness is a life changer but at the same time, the way we when I look at whether it's spiritual, community or personal development, we're kind of like using it like something that I can throw or just forgive. You know, when someone is coming through that hating and all that, the first thing is kind of like, oh, just forgive. You know, when someone is coming through that hating and all that, the first thing is kind of like, oh, just just forgive and move on. This is why people will be like, oh, I've forgiven this person and all that, but yet there is anger that is coming through. We don't honor the pain and everything that is showing up. Cause, at that moment, as much as I was tired of being strong, but I couldn't imagine forgiving. I didn't even know what that meant, I didn't even know how that looked like, but I was just told you need to show up, we'll guide you. So I was willing to trust this voice that I didn't know what the heck it was all about. But at the same time, my next question was how am I going to know that I have forgiven? Because I don't know how to forgive. I don't know how it looks like because I don't know how to forgive. I don't know how it looks like, but how am I going to know? And the response was that heart will open and your children will relocate.

Speaker 4 21:47

But while I was going through that, there is also a time when I went through this journey where it's kind of like outside of my body, but I was just told it's time to do what you came here to do and what the heck is that you know and that you know. And I went through other journeys where it's kind of like I connected with my inner child crying or my soul crying. I don't want to be born in this world. There's a lot of pain and all that. And at the same time I also connected with a lot of people feeling their pain, sadness, shame and all that. And after that I was brought back into my body and the question was do you want to sit with this pain while a lot of people are suffering, you know?

Speaker 4 22:23

So it was like a lot of things that were happening all at once and one of the questions that I said, like where do I even begin? What do I even say to people? Go, teach people a new way of being. And that goes back to still the question that you asked when you said, when you say, who am I without my children? I don't know, because as women, we are esteemed by our children. Like when you say, I live for them, I do what I do for them. That's true, that's what we are taught and that's just kind of like the nurturing part of us that is within us and we don't know who we are without our children. And now, kind of like the new well-being, it's more like what if you start with yourself?

Speaker 4 22:58

Because one thing that also came through was you need to understand that these children are souls, they're not just children. You are not giving these children as if you own them, because that is like one of the things, kind of like one thing the reason why you've got so much pain is because you think these children belong to you, but they don't. They are souls that are on their mission. The question is, are you willing to find your own? And how many women in the world are holding their lives back because I'm doing this for my children, are staying in toxic relationships because I'm doing this for my children, and some of them never even had the chance to see that children grow because of the pain and the trauma and the toxicity that they allowed themselves to live in and consume. You know, because we are always being penetrated by something.

Speaker 3 23:45

Wow, oh my gosh, tired of being strong. That was a powerful statement and I think we all especially, I think, as women we just feel like we have to be strong for our kids, for whoever fill in the blank of whoever that is. And yeah, and oftentimes we are tired. We're just tired sometimes. And when you allowed yourself to just just release all of that sadness, when you found out you got that call, how did you feel, I mean? And then you said you were alone, you packed and were traveling there by yourself. What's that feeling you were going through?

Speaker 4 24:19

it was. It was a beautiful moment, beautiful in the moment, in the sense of it's kind of like I opened doors to different aspects, because one of the things when I say let's show up and connect to our bodies, kind of like we're going to pull chairs for the inner child, for shame, for sadness, for anger, all aspects of ourself, all that we normally push away, because when you show up in perfection, when you show up in, show up in perfection, when you show up in, I've got everything together. When you show up in, I'm strong, and all that we don't even get to see, feel and connect to all aspects of ourselves that are only with us. Because whatever that we are ashamed of and whatever perfect picture we want to portray, this is like for 30 minutes when I show up in a room and I want to pretend to this other women that hey. But when I'm sitting by myself and crying at night or sleeping, like one of the things that I experienced so many times is maybe being in a dream, crying about my children, and then waking up and realizing that I'm not dreaming, this is my reality, and start crying it in real life. You understand so at times you are lonely and it bothers you. But then tomorrow you're wearing a mask of I don't need a man. Hell, no, you know how you feel about yourself. Can we just be with ourselves and be honest with ourselves? So I connected to that power of vulnerability. I'm not afraid of crying, I'm not afraid of showing my vulnerable side, you know, and it has also. Somehow the whole inner criticism is gone. I don't need it.

Speaker 4 25:44

And here's the message that I received from the ocean. I know you're asking about that picture and say is it Oshun? It's like mother ocean came through to me and she said you're not for everyone and you need to accept that. And I know every one of us knows that we are not for everyone. And what the ocean shared was, do you think people the ocean shared was?

Speaker 4 26:03

Do you think people love the ocean? I mean, do you think people love the ocean? Yes, I do. Yes, you know what they love. They just love the beach like the surface. That's it. When it begins looking all good and all that, we don't really love the ocean. Because when you go deep into those deep, deep, dark waters, when the ocean is raging, it knows that whoever that is standing this way, it doesn't have any chance of survival. So we love the surface and she said you need to embrace all of you. You are the ocean. You need to embrace all your darkness because the work that you are meant to do, you're not going to be able to embody it, if at all. You just want to show people what's on the surface, and oceans are the evidence of life. What are we going to show when we look back? What is that we're going to show? What is it that we're going to embrace? We're going to embrace how we felt. Some people are going to talk about us and say she was a bitch and it's fine, you understand.

Speaker 4 27:05

So we better be that. And it's also a filter. Who gets to be in my space? Are you, even when it comes to a partner, husband, lover, whatever are you gonna love me even in my ugliest moment? Or you just love me when I'm smiling, right?

Speaker 4 27:19

And this takes me again, even when I talk about, for instance, sexual energy, right, that we love sex and we love the whole thing, that, oh, I had an orgasm and all that. But, on the other hand, it's more like the mental part of it. Do we? Are we often vulnerable and fully letting go and allowing that moment to take us to places that we've never been? That is, in the moment when you're supposed to have that orgasm, if at all, is in the moment when you're supposed to have that orgasm, if at all, your heart is opening up and you start tearing. Is your partner going to love you even when you are crying? Or you have the capacity to hold that space for your partner when his heart opens, when he is, he experiences that sudden death, because it's kind of like a temporary death when you're having that orgasm, right? So the power of vulnerability is bigger than it's bigger than just how we show up. It's more like anchoring in in our bodies, deepening in that love and, like I said as well, it's also a filter.

Speaker 4 28:14

Those people who do not have the capacity to hold space for you are not gonna be there. Because I've realized that for me, like this is like my experience, and I know a lot of people who like the strong women. You know the reason why you are a strong woman is because you've got the capacity to hold space for a lot of people. You can take everybody's shit, it doesn't matter what they come with. You just gonna hold space for them.

Speaker 4 28:38

But do people really have the capacity to hold space for you when you open up and say this is me, this is how I'm feeling and all that you know? And then even leaders, you know they have this illusion of I have to appear as safe. What if you just let go and see some people? I want to drop off and leave, because it's kind of like they don't know what they're going to do with you. That's why, at times, they'll tell you that you know what. I know that you've got this. I don't have this. I need you to hold my hand so that I can go through this. Are you going to do that? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 29:12

Oh, my goodness, the analogy that you made of the ocean. I was brought back to a moment because I absolutely love the beach. It's a special place for me whenever I'm able to at least just even dip my toes into the water, have my feet in the sand, just the recharge that I have. But a few years ago a group of us had an opportunity to go swimming with dolphins and that was lovely and it's out in the middle of the ocean, right, so they're in their natural habitat. And we went out and the dolphins and their babies are coming through and we're swimming with the dolphins and then they're gone. Right, those moments are just brief. And I remember looking down into the ocean after that after all, the dolphins were gone, and it's just looking down into darkness and I had this rush over me and I said I've had enough. I would like to go back to the beach now, because it is a completely different experience when you realize how expansive, how deep it really is.

Speaker 4 30:08

What we admire is truly at the surface, but what we're capable of is so much more we are as deep as the ocean, we are as rich as the ocean when we let go of the wise material, the good girl, and allow all us to show up and say I'm going to show up. The question is, which version want to show up? You know, we are so versatile. There is a lot within us, especially as women, but we hold back because we've been conditioned that this is the path that is acceptable. We are the ocean.

Speaker 3 30:37

Well, natalie, as you're talking about looking down into the darkness, and then you're like that's how we sometimes feel about, that's exactly it. So come out, because we're like I don't want people to see who I am at the core, because they may judge me, they may not like me, they may not want to be around me, so we don't ever go to that deep, deep place and the magic comes where I started when I say be in the body.

Speaker 4 31:01

Yeah, you know, even when we see something and you get triggered, lean on that trigger, lean on that discomfort A part of you may feel like I want to just jump out of this, just lean into that. Are you willing to be with all of you, even when it's uncomfortable? Because we know the truth is we cannot heal what we do not feel.

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Speaker 2 31:20

Yeah, you cannot heal what you do not feel. Yes, that's powerful. We hope that you have enjoyed part one of our two-part conversation with Hal, her personal, intimate journey in finding her purpose, uncovering her gifts and sharing those with the world. Make sure that you come back and join us for part two, because Hal is going to tell us where we can tap in to the highest form of currency as it pertains to our energy, and how we can utilize that to create the life of our dreams.

Speaker 1 31:52

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