Sparking Creativity Through Meditation + Resiliency with G. Michael Hopf (part 2)

What happens when you can't find the book you want to read? For G. Michael Hopf, it sparked a journey from first-time novelist to successful author and publisher who's helped bring over 460 books to life.

Hopp reveals how his desire to read complex apocalyptic fiction led him to create intricate, multi-perspective novels that quickly climbed the charts. But what makes his creative approach unique is his relationship with what he calls the "flow state" - that mysterious space where creativity seems to arrive fully-formed, as if "being dropped into your head."

The key that unlocked this creative flow? Meditation. Hopf shares how his practice of "micro-meditations" throughout the day clears mental chatter and creates space for creativity to emerge. His family lovingly calls him "hippie hop" for these momentary pauses, but the results speak for themselves.

Beyond his personal success, Hopf discovered something more meaningful: the fulfillment that comes from helping others achieve their publishing dreams. He draws a powerful distinction between happiness (which he describes as "fleeting like a roller coaster") and fulfillment (the enduring satisfaction that "gets you out of bed every morning"). This purpose-driven approach transformed not just his business but his entire life philosophy.

For aspiring writers, Hopf offers refreshingly straightforward advice: "Just write." He observes how many creators build artificial obstacles—thinking they need formal training, perfect editors, or ideal conditions before starting. The truth? The path to creative fulfillment begins with getting comfortable being uncomfortable.

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Transcript

Writing Complex Apocalyptic Fiction

Speaker 1 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. Resilience where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

Speaker 2 0:42

And you were looking for an apocalyptic fiction book to read, just to consume. Yeah, yes, yeah, and couldn't find it.

Speaker 3 0:47

Yeah, I was doing a lot of reading at that time. I wanted something very complex, like a very deep plot line, because a lot of apocalyptic novels a lot of them are really good out there. They were missing. They would have this event, that would occur. And this is a more reality-based apocalyptic fiction, not like zombie stuff like that. More like and this is a more reality-based apocalyptic fiction, not like zombie stuff like that.

Speaker 3 1:09

More like oh, there's been, there's a grid down or there's a nuclear thing, nuclear strike and society kind of collapses or devolves and how do you deal with it? A lot of them were just dealing with like see a family somewhere, how are they struggling to survive? And then like what's going on in the halls of government, what's happening with the military? Like what's all these other moving parts? I want to know, I want to see more of of a broader worldview of what's happening in that space. And I couldn't find it and so I was like well, I'll write it.

Speaker 3 1:26

And so the plot was very the first novel, which then led to a series and now a whole stint off of other books, just is very complex. So you have one family, you're seeing how kind of a normal suburban family is dealing with it. Then you're seeing how the military is dealing with it, because there's a connection between that protagonist, his brothers in the military, and then you're seeing what's happening in the halls of government and there's all these moving parts around the world. So you're seeing all these characters and all these different POVs and so you as a reader get this huge kind of world kind of view of everything that's happening, so you're not really left in the dark completely. It just gives the series a lot more depth, I think.

Speaker 3 2:01

And I remember when Penman picked it up I was speaking with the editorial director and like, wow, this is a really complicated plot. I was like, is that a compliment? Like my God, it's a pain in the ass. Like what are you doing? But there's just so many moving parts and there's the more complicated invites you to have a lot of plot holes. So you have to be very structured in how you're not. That's why developmental editors are really big or important, specifically for novels with that kind of depth absolutely, and so how did you get to this point where you're able to write these complex?

Speaker 4 2:31

is it just the way your brain's wired, like it?

Speaker 3 2:34

must be I see everything like a movie.

Speaker 3 2:36

Yeah, that's when people say I play these, I play when I'm writing. I I just write and I see it like, like it's a movie playing in my head and I just write what. I see it like it's a movie playing in my head and I just write what I see and put it on the paper. I don't write from outlines. I have heavy notes. I don't use outlines. I find outlines can be cumbersome. If they're too structured and really cumbersome for new writers, they become hijacked by the outline. Yes, because you think about when you're creating an outline. Is it the left brain?

Speaker 3 3:06

it's more like it's like a left brain, left brain, right brain thing. Yeah, like I can't. What is it? What is the right brain?

Speaker 2 3:09

it's creative side, the creative side, is the right brain.

Speaker 3 3:11

Yes, right, yeah, so when you're writing any kind of writing, you're really kind of in that flow state. Your right brain is like lit up, but when you're doing an outline it's more technical and you're being more analytical, so it's the left brain.

Outlines vs. Creative Flow State

Speaker 3 3:23

So, you're thinking structure and this, that, that, that and then. So when you get into a flow state, when you're writing, and then you can find yourself at a point where you want to deviate from the outline because the story will start writing itself, the characters will start flowing and things start happening, you're like, oh my God, this is amazing. Oh, you're really into it. And now you're at this crossroad. Do I deviate from the outline or do I follow where the characters are taking me? And I always say stick with that. That's the truth. It's coming to you from somewhere. That's something good.

Speaker 3 3:54

That's a whole nother question about consciousness, right? And where's that side into it? You ever noticed, when you get into flow state, like, where's this information coming from? It's like it's being dropped into your head. Yeah, and it's there somehow. Like, okay, I didn't think of that, but that sounds really cool. Put it on the page. And so I think it's important to. I think experienced writers can use outlines because they give themselves permission to deviate from it, but new authors can find themselves in a bad position in a bind and they can cause them to be paralyzed and stop their writing.

Speaker 4 4:23

With the flow site. Do you think that that's been amplified by the meditation practice that? You do yeah, yeah, because I mean if your mind is like full of chatter, it's hard to get into a flow state and have that creative thought coming to you. But when you can clear your mind and allow it to come in, Anything anybody gets anything from this conversation is meditation.

Meditation and Creative Process

Speaker 3 4:42

I highly encourage meditation. From this conversation is meditation. I highly encourage meditation. I encourage like spending that time with yourself and like what you're saying. But I didn't even I sort of added that you were talking about. Guided meditations are great. I use a lot of guided meditations and that's something too is to find great guided meditations and that's something you can just focus on that person's voice as they guide you through the experience. But yeah, it absolutely has I through the experience, but yeah, it absolutely has. I do what I call I coin them micro-meditations Like when something happens, I just stop, I just get quiet. I sit in my office. My wife or the kids will walk by and say, oh, dad's micro-meditating. So like they make fun of me, they call me hippie hop.

Speaker 4 5:18

Yes.

Speaker 3 5:19

Yes, my kid's, like dad's a hippie. Now he meditates.

Speaker 2 5:25

As long as it doesn't interfere with my flow. State, call me whatever I don't care.

Speaker 3 5:30

I think when people have nicknames for each other, it's endearing anyway.

Speaker 4 5:34

I think that never bothers me. It's like oh you really like me.

Speaker 3 5:36

You have a nickname.

Speaker 4 5:37

Yeah, absolutely, and so what made you decide to now help other authors do the same?

Speaker 3 5:43

thing Right from day one, like after I'd written the end, once it really started taking off. I was watching the charts and watching I was like, oh my God, I'm like number one or I'm number two. I'm bouncing around and there's this one guy, doug Richards, new York Times bestseller. I kept competing with him at the time. This is 2013. And I was like I don't really know what I'm doing. I didn't. I stumbled in all this stuff. I made mistakes. I'm just a guy, though, that when I see something and I want to go for it, I do this much due diligence. I've gotten better at it, by the way now. Now I have other people that do due diligence for me because I'm horrible at it. Like, hey, can you?

Speaker 3 6:18

look into that for me.

Speaker 2 6:19

We're definitely a jump first and figure it out after we build the parachute as we're going.

Speaker 3 6:25

Yeah exactly as you're falling you're like free falling yeah we're just like, let's go.

Speaker 3 6:30

We got this, and because I was like I don't know what I'm doing now, I just I wasn't had zero expectations. The first book was going to take off like zero. I was like it makes enough money. I can take Tawny out the dinner once a month. That'd be great, that'd be amazing. Now it's like I quit my job because I made as much in one month and I made the whole year before. I was like, oh my God, like my life's changed, like I was at this, like my life's in this other direction. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm going for it because the door of opportunity is wide open, and so I was reaching out.

Speaker 3 6:59

This is something I again I try to mirror people that are successful. They're like just ask people, just ask. I was asked, someone is doing better than you. Give me advice. So I was knocking on doors, knocking on doors Most people wouldn't open, so to speak, like sending emails, and Doug responded.

Speaker 3 7:14

He happened to be in San Diego and like 10 minutes from me. It was like this strange coincidence and he was like absolutely, let me take you out to lunch. I'm like, all right, sounds great. So we went for lunch and he just opened up his like this is my experience. You should do this, you shouldn't do that. Blah, blah, blah. If you get a big deal from a publisher, let me know I can help you with that. I got a great entertainment attorney. I'm like wonderful. He was invaluable and I came away from that lunch thinking I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to help people, because it's nothing like giving back. It's like there's something really. It's about providing value to people. I've come to understand now, too, that success and money is downstream of providing value for people taking care of people.

Speaker 3 7:54

If that is an intention that you lead with, everything else is down. Success, money, all that is downstream. It will come because that's where the energy has to flow. It just flows through that. Yeah, that's awesome. It will come because that's where the energy has to flow. It just flows through that.

Speaker 2 8:06

What has that shift been like for you in helping others? I'm a big fan and advocate of pouring into other people as well and stepping kind of into that unofficial or sometimes official mentorship role paid or not paid. But you're no longer in that creative state of mind, right? You're now looking at helping individuals build a business structure, a book, whatever it is for them, how they set their goals. How has that shift been for you, just in terms of how you show up every day and how you're operating in your own business?

Helping Other Authors Succeed

Speaker 3 8:34

I find it rewarding. I was just having a conversation with my oldest daughter, 17, about the difference between happiness and fulfillment, and there's something very fulfilling right About helping people and specifically showing them, giving them the toolbox right. So then they have to still do it right. They still have. You can coach them. They. Eventually the people have to do it themselves, but giving them that shortcut it's like a what did they call that? And there's like I can't think of the term, but it's like when you're playing a game you can cheat, like give them cheat codes, cheat codes. They're giving them cheat codes right. Like I had to go through all this and I stumbled, but here's some cheat codes to have you go from here to here much quicker and it's very fulfilling. I just want to see people thrive. I don't think there's. There's no competition at all in writing, no-transcript, and then I create, hopefully, really wonderful relationships from that Awesome.

Speaker 2 10:50

Thank you for differentiating happiness and fulfillment.

Speaker 3 10:53

Yes.

Speaker 2 10:53

And what a great lesson for a 17 year old.

Speaker 3 10:55

Oh, and she actually got a lot out of it. Is there? Was it really? She came I hope I'm not giving away too much information here she just said she just said prom and anyway. So there was, just, like this, I think, some friend thing happening and she was just, and so she just wasn't happy.

Speaker 3 11:10

She was talking about happiness and it was like I just want to say I was like you realize, I'm not always happy. Like you know, happiness can be fleeting. You know, happiness is like a roller coaster, you know. And I said but what is always consistent for me is like being your father, like I'm fulfilled, like I'm just something that's very fulfilling by being that like and will always be there. And that's because I'm doing something and have dreams for somebody. It's not me, it's beyond me. And she was like oh, I get it. I'm like, yeah, I said so, I encouraged, I said look to help other people, you'll find a lot of fulfillment.

Speaker 3 11:43

And serve other people. It's like service. I know Christianity leads into this concept of service a lot and I think it's powerful when you start doing things for other people with that intention, not intentionally, not for you, it's the intention of helping them. And there's something I don't know. We were built for that. I think human beings were built for helping. I really do. Sometimes you look in the world you don't believe that's the case, but there's something really rewarding about it and you guys understand that too.

Speaker 2 12:09

Yes, I have the same belief. I think that that's what we were wired for.

Speaker 3 12:13

Yeah, we are yes.

Speaker 2 12:14

And when you talk about happiness being like that's a fleeting emotion, I think you're spot on, because we can have happiness and not have that drive or that desire to keep going and moving forward. But when you have that sense of fulfillment, it ties into your higher purpose, right, it's like the bigger thing. This is your, why it's you know, now that I have the sense of fulfillment, I may not be having a great day, but I'm still going to keep doing the things because I know it's going to make a difference in other people's lives. Right, it's the ripple effect that continues to happen. It gets you out of bed in the morning.

Speaker 3 12:41

It's a purpose, it's a purpose-driven life. It's very powerful to have that. I don't know how else to say it. It's the motivator that really can drive things. Yeah, Ask a parent when they're changing the diaper right. Ask a parent when they're doing something and the kid gets their first ticket. Not very happy.

Speaker 2 12:58

Not happy, yeah Not happy at all.

Speaker 3 13:00

But are we fulfilled? Absolutely? It's very powerful and you don't have to be a parent. You can have the experience with a lot of other things helping people, fulfillment and happiness two different things. I will strive lean into fulfillment than leaning into happiness.

Speaker 4 13:16

Yeah, and I love that, because most people think they're chasing happiness and it's just this fleeting thing. But if you really can figure out what your purpose is, your rocket fuel then, like you said, it'll get you out of bed every single day.

Speaker 3 13:28

Well, you know, like you're mentioning it like happiness, when you're chasing it, it's like someone's like can be like a dopamine thing. It could become like addicted to, like a drug. Well, they have to keep chasing. What's the term for like drug addicts? Like chasing the dragon, I think, is the term, and that's what you end up doing. You start oh, I got to do this, I got to do this, and that might lead them to maybe doing drugs or alcohol or getting into sex or whatever that is. It can lead them to these moments where they're dope, these little slight dopamine hits which really, and then they have to get more and more. It's like a drug. They need more in order to be satisfying, because now it's not as satisfying as it was the time before and the time before that, time before that. But fulfillment it's like wow, like the bucket's always full, like how is that what? Yes, and all I do is not look at myself, I just go do it, look at someone else and help them.

Speaker 4 14:10

Yes, it's such a different feeling you, you experience it.

Speaker 2 14:14

Yeah, so what's next? What's on?

Speaker 3 14:19

the horizon. I'm just still I've got. I've got another company, I've got that's. I'm really leaned into AI and like I it's you know creatively. There's a lot of creatives like, oh my God, like I might as well. I think creatives are going to be left behind unless they figure out how to leverage artificial intelligence and use it for what it is. It's a tool. It can make your life more efficient. It can expand your horizons, but now is not the time to be kind of this luddite and shun away from it, even if you're creative in writing and things like that. So I've got another publishing company that exists out there. It's more of a content stuff we create. I started that in what was that? 2022? That's doing very well. And then I just created a joint venture. I had a company I started. Now I'm at the point that I need to automate it using AI, and now I've got a meeting with a guy a couple of fellows that are out of the South.

Happiness vs. Fulfillment

Speaker 3 15:12

We're doing a joint venture, kind of leaning into using artificial intelligence and AI agents to automate translations. Yeah, the power of artificial intelligence and translating video content and written word is incredible, and so we'll be doing that really quickly. But then my own personal books. I'd love to see an adaptation movie. That would be like the ultimate dream come true.

Speaker 4 15:33

Okay, love that. So you're not stopping, not even slowing down. Oh, I never plan to retire ever.

Speaker 3 15:40

No, I love what I do. I there's no reason to retire. I think that's the other. My wife or so finally drop. I'll be like dead here in front of the computer or something, writing my 140th novel well, I think that that's the difference.

Speaker 4 15:52

When you are a purpose-driven life like you you said, it's not like, it doesn't feel like work, no, until you find that you just don't really understand it. And there's so many people that just grind oh I can't, I retire in five years, I can't wait. But if you're in a purpose-driven life, man, you'll yeah, you'll work till you're sitting at your computer and then you're done.

Speaker 3 16:09

Yeah, mentors always ask me are you having fun? It's always the first question Are you having fun? I'm still having fun. Good, that's good. This guy is crazy successful. He's a billionaire. I'm fortunate to have him as a mentor and I meet with him three times a year have lunch. And that's the first question Was that are you still having fun? Yeah, I think it's good. That's the most important. It's time to start. Look somewhere else. Yeah, it's funny. I never. It was funny. I always said when I first met with him I always thought that would. I never imagined that would be the question he would ask me am I having fun? I was always imagined to be more of this kind of like business driven metrics. Just look at this and like, and it's like are you having fun? Let's talk about that, how you feel, like, how feelings come into, like looking at business, and I'm like really, come on. But yeah, how are you? Are you still having fun? Yep, still having fun I love it.

Speaker 4 16:56

I love it. So meditation find amazing people to mirror that are doing what you want to do and have that purpose, a really driven purpose, in your life yeah, and coach brody, I think it's important too.

Speaker 3 17:07

I know you guys do coaching. Finding a coach, yeah, finding a mentor, talking things through with people, mentors I think they should be somebody you're striving to be. That's when I reached out to Doug. He was somebody who was, and what I was doing was higher. I was trying to get to his level and finding that mentor that can take you to that next level, because sometimes you can outgrow your mentors. You reach their level now they're your peer.

Speaker 4 17:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:35

So I think and then but coaches are really important play a very, very critical role to have someone to talk through things with. Well, jeff, I'd love for you to share with our listeners just how many mentors you currently have or that you've had over the years, and maybe one or two of those big ahas or life lessons that you've applied that you've taken from your mentor. Like you mentioned, you have the one mentor you meet three times a year. That's probably like the most intense meeting, I would imagine, in a positive way, not a negative, intense, but like just one where you're both showing up and grateful for each other and and really showing up whole, transparent and as you are. But tell us about your mentorship experience. Who's mentored you? What are some of those bigger life lessons that you've taken away? And, I think, even bigger than that how do you identify your mentor? I think that would help our listeners tremendously.

Speaker 3 18:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3 18:20

So again, I mentioned briefly a mentor is somebody that has if you can have a metric and look at, say, in business, they're clearly very successful in business, they are doing X number, they've scaled a company and they have all this and you don't. So they have information, they know how to make decisions at that level, they know how to scale things. Like you find people, like they're somewhere you want to be and they can take you there. And mentors can be in different spaces, like in coaching, can be in different spaces. So people need like coaches, like life coaches, right how to make the right life decisions and relationships. And so it's across the spectrum of things.

Speaker 3 18:52

So business like I've mainly leaned into business, like mentors and those have been people like Ernie has been somebody I've leaned into. He's been there, done that, he's worth a lot of money and it's because he's earned it. He didn't come from something His entire life has been built into. So I was like I'm just fascinated by that journey of somebody who doesn't come from that, somebody who's like I think he was working in I think it was called a fish hatchery or something when he was a kid not having much to being worth billions of dollars. It's an impressive journey. It's like how did you get here? What does that entail? So I sit down, when I sit down with him, I'm asking him lots of questions because I'm just fascinated by that journey, because that journey is all these decisions that have to be made Right, like how did you make that?

Speaker 3 19:38

Why did you do that? Why did you get into that? Why did you not do that? Why did you like? And just, I'm very curious. I think that's important to me too.

Speaker 3 19:44

Someone has said that is a coach told me one time. It's like you're very curious and I'm like the decisions that they make. So I asked myself the questions and I was like asking boy, I think it makes me good for like conversations, like I know I'm doing all the talking in this one, but actually, like if we were socially hanging out, I'd be asking you guys a lot of questions. Yes, like really getting into, like what's going on with you, pam? What makes you tick? Yeah, I'd be asking a lot of questions. Same with you now, maybe asking a lot of questions. Same with you now. You've been asking a lot of questions Because I find people interesting. I find I look at the world and there's so many different jobs and ways to make money, and I find that fascinating because I always want to know what do you do? How did you get into that? How did you come up with that?

Mentorship and Finding Your Purpose

Speaker 3 20:26

So anyway my other coaches I right now just have, but he's more of my peer, but, yeah, he's got some. Really, it's the reason I'm actually on this podcast, because I wasn't doing any podcasts for the longest time. I got it checked out and he was like you know, you need to go on Podmatch and you need to do this. And then I'm like I don't even know how to do any of that. I don't even have social media anymore. Really, I deleted all that and I was like I really want to start driving a message to him. I'd love to help people. If people can be inspired by what I've accomplished, or if I can give somebody something that can help them, I'd love to do so. And so I talk to him. I always ask him. I probably talk to him several times a month and just bounce ideas off of him. He's a coach, but yeah, I think it's important because you get this fresh eyes and different perspective, absolutely.

Speaker 2 21:20

And if any of our listeners are interested in working with you, Jeff, how do they go about doing so? Or are you working with me?

Speaker 3 21:27

Oh yeah. So like I am helping, I do help people. Like lots of information is like here, have it. Like the other day some guy called me and he's a friend had a guy wanted my help, and then the more I was talking to him, I was like you know, you really need some help and like I can help you. But now it's going to enter the phase of like let's make this a business relationship, because then you're going to get all of me. And then he was like okay, I'm in because there's value. By the way, that's something too.

Speaker 3 21:56

It's like it's so easy to want to always give stuff away, but it's at a point where you're going to get whatever you struck your schedule, you can get all of it, and I think that's important. To get a value, you have to know how much your time is worth, and so that turned into. You saw the value, jumped on it and so we booked out something. So I'm just going to work as a developmental editor and coaching through the process of finalizing his book and then getting it to market. But yeah, I'm here. People can find me at my website, gmichaelhopcom. They can email me at jeff at gmichaelhopcom. I answer all my emails If you've got a story you want to know how to kind of go from idea and get it published, I can help you with that. I've done my own books and then, looking on the board, 466 books total that my publishing companies have done and put out. So I know how to produce a book, that's for sure I do.

Speaker 4 22:45

That is amazing.

Speaker 2 22:46

Well, we will make sure that we put all of your contact information in the show notes as well, so that our listeners can connect with you. That ripple in the pond is just continuing to flow out. I love that.

Speaker 4 22:56

Yeah. Any final thoughts that you want to leave our listeners with?

Speaker 3 23:00

Well, I always say this too. You know, if anyone's listening, that's like a new author or aspiring author, and that is. Ernest Hemingway was being interviewed years ago and he was asked that question what's the best advice you'd give an aspiring author? And that is just write. That's right. Just sit down and write.

Speaker 3 23:15

Too many people put artificial goalposts or artificial obstacles in their way. Oh, I need to go creative writing school before I can do that. I need to do this, I need to do that. And they're thinking about all these things and they're really what they're doing there. They have such doubt. I believe that they have to put these obstacles in their way so they never actually have to step down and just write, because it's really just simple Just sit down and just start writing, whatever that is Well, what if I need to like an editor?

Speaker 3 23:37

Well, you don't need an editor yet because you don't have a book, right? What about my cover? We don't need that. You know, what about distribution? Don't need that, yet that's a title. So, yeah, all of it. They put these things in their way so they don't have to like do it just right. Trust me, just lean it. It's kind of uncomfortable, very uncomfortable and be I'll finish with this be very comfortable being uncomfortable. Once you get to that space, you can conquer a lot of things, yeah that's good advice for anything in our life.

Speaker 4 24:02

Oh, 100, because you're going to encounter a lot of things.

Speaker 3 24:03

Yeah, that's good advice for anything in our life. Oh, a hundred percent, cause you're going to encounter a lot of uncomfortable stuff in life.

Speaker 4 24:06

That's where the growth happens.

Speaker 3 24:07

Yep, oh, that's. That's where the sweet spot is right.

Speaker 4 24:10

Exactly, absolutely so. Meditate, so you can get into that flow state and just start writing.

Speaker 2 24:18

Just write.

Speaker 4 24:19

Just write Love it.

Speaker 2 24:20

Oh my gosh. Well, jeff, thank you, thank you. You. Thank you so much for taking the time out to visit with Pam and I. This has been an absolute pleasure. We have a couple of books in the works, so this has been helpful for us. You broke it down very simply, just right, which is probably the one thing that I avoid the most. So, but we appreciate you so, so much, and we will absolutely put all of your contact information in the show notes so that our listeners can get a hold of you, learn more about you and the books and that you've written and those that you have helped in publishing. So thank you for continuing to support just the work of other authors out there and for our listeners. If you're interested in learning about more and what's happening in the world of Reignite Resilience, head on over to reigniteresiliencecom. Until next time, we will see you all soon.

Speaker 4 25:11

Bye everyone.

Speaker 1 25:15

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