Mastering Self-Leadership + Resiliency with Heather Younger (part 2)

Feeling stuck, waiting for permission, or blaming others for your circumstance? Heather Younger's transformative guidance on self-leadership might be exactly what you need to break through.

Heather shares her personal journey through layoffs, childhood challenges, and professional setbacks that ultimately shaped her exceptional resilience. With remarkable vulnerability, she reveals the moment she found herself in what she calls "the pit of despair" after a devastating job loss—and the conscious decision she made to flip the internal switch from victim to victor.

The conversation explores practical strategies for reframing negative thought patterns, allowing yourself space to process emotions before moving forward, and finding a mission bigger than your immediate challenges. Heather explains how having a clear purpose serves as a protective mechanism that "blurs out" daily obstacles, keeping you focused on what truly matters.

What makes this discussion particularly powerful is Heather's emphasis on embodiment—the alignment between what you claim to value and how you actually live. She challenges listeners to examine their own lives for evidence that they're truly living according to their stated values, revealing how her own wake-up call came when she realized her business success was conflicting with her family priorities.

Perhaps most importantly, Heather reframes resilience itself as something that requires deliberate practice. Rather than avoiding challenges, she encourages "looking for walls to hit" because that's precisely how we develop the bounce-back ability that others might mistakenly view as inherent strength. As she puts it, "You can't build resilience watching daytime television."

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. Resilience where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

Speaker 3 0:41

Yeah, that we just carry with us, because those are the beliefs that we create yeah, and so it was like unbelieving it and really doing a really hard work to do there. But let that. January of last year was the time where the hard work really hit home and it's just like okay, all right, all right, and so much has changed as a result, and I guess why I, just I, and then I just put it in the book. I'm like here are the steps, the steps you need to take. Here's what I took, here's what you should do. Go do it, go do it.

Speaker 2 1:07

Well, could you share with us a little bit about like, because we all have these deep-seated beliefs, these neural pathways, and sometimes we don't even realize what it is that we're doing because it's so just automatic. What are some tools for people to like? Like, just slow down and just recognize that, oh, there's a pattern here. I might need to do some inner work and rethink these beliefs.

Speaker 3 1:29

Yeah, I think you and I both talk quite a bit about reframing, and most of us do. It's kind of a psychological tool that helps us rethink and retool our brain. I think we talk about it differently. I talk about reframing as taking irrational usually illogical beliefs that we have and switching it over to more rational, and what I mean by that is what often happens is stuff starts in our own heads. It can be based upon real facts and real things, but it starts in our heads mostly, like we put more weight on it from our brains than we really need to. And so it's making us say, like in that case of that layoff that I described earlier, when it happened I kind of sensed it was going to happen because of that deep, that weird thing that I get in my gut you know that high empathy strand, right, that's there. And then when it happened, I left there thinking I was going to die, like I was like oh gosh, am I going to get another job? Am I going to stay in my house job? Am I gonna stay in my house? I'm gonna go like I was just my head, I was spinning and I was spinning and I call it the pit of despair, yeah, and I was in that pit and at some point I said stop, like, stop the insanity, like I had to stop. No one else was gonna do it. But I just said no, I fell up, he and I said stop. So for what I?

Speaker 3 2:36

The tool that I say is like, at that point I flipped that switch. That's in my head that I have to control the switch that says I'm going to step over this threshold of, like the past thing that kept stopping me, that got me stuck, that made me think I couldn't do things, and I'm going to step over the threshold of the side. That's more rational, that's more logical. That says, actually, let's look back at that now in a different way. What actually happened there? What did you learn there? How did that prepare you for the next thing? All the things.

Speaker 3 3:04

So I ask myself a lot of questions, but I have to kind of like I have to in my head and that this is what we need to do. We have to stop, we have to flip the switch and we need to kind of. I always say like, in this timeframe when we're doing the reframing, we are human and I am not telling people to just like I'm happy, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not happy, I'm happy Like it doesn't. There's that time I said earlier that I let myself like two, three weeks of like pity, pity, and I'm human. And if I didn't allow myself to do that and I tried to go over it faster, the healing like it wouldn't have worked, it would not have helped. I could not have done the switch over, but I gave myself that time it will come up.

Speaker 4 3:41

yes, it'll come up exactly.

Speaker 3 3:43

So I had to give myself that time. So irrational thought, flipping the switch, but the irrational thought in between that before that I have to give myself that human space to kind of feel some of the emotions. And then I get sick of myself and flip the switch. And then I move myself over to the rational side and look back. And I say you have to look back because you kind of have to say okay, what actually happened? Don't say flip the switch and move on and keep looking forward without going okay, but like what was, evaluate what took place in the thing where you felt the pain, where you had the place, where you felt you were stuck. Evaluate it from an objective place and then realize what was actually not so bad there. Like I actually got a big severance. It allowed me to have a job. I had my best friend there, I learned tech there that I never knew all these things but I had. I had to look back purposely, intentionally, and evaluate what it was that actually actually. What was the purpose of it? Like what, what did you learn there? And once I did that, it was. It helped me be able to move forward faster. That's one tool.

Reframing Negative Beliefs

Speaker 3 4:39

Reframing is one tool, I think the other. There's a couple other tools. One of the other tools is to focus on a mission that is bigger than what's in front of you. So I like to think of it like when you're in teams meetings and everything gets like foggy, like you can make you know how you can make it like foggy around you, like you wouldn't be able to see my chair. And I like to think of the mission that way where I'm just like fogging up all the other things that could be hitting me. So in my case oh my gosh, all the things I just talked about earlier there's a lot of different hills I had to go over, right Malls I hit. So what I do is in order to make sure that those things are minimized inside of my brain or minimized as far as the impact of my life. My mission serves as like this bullseye that's out into the distance that I see and that that serves as a protective covering for me. And so for me, the mission would be wanting to make sure that people feel seen, heard and valued, first in my presence, and then teach other leaders how to make sure that they are seeing, hearing and valuing the people in their space.

Speaker 3 5:43

And I want to do that all around the world. Well, again, I can't do that tomorrow. I can't even do that alone. So what? For me? In my mind, the mission is so dang big it's just big, like it gets me up every day that I want that to happen. I want people to feel that way in the world that it acts as a protective mechanism. It blurs all the things out.

Speaker 3 6:02

So I'm always challenging leaders to be thinking about what is that mission for you that is bigger than anything that's going to hit you, because it's going to keep hitting you. Yeah Right, what is going to be that thing? And I think that other thing is just this idea of kind of going along the lines of that is focusing forward and continuing to look for it. Like when you think about the times when I talked about like I went way back with you and told you more than I probably have told anybody, go back, talk about the childhood, go all the different little things that you kept hearing, and each time, if I didn't have the thing that was like, I want to make sure that nobody feels like I did. I want to make sure that people feel like I see them. I want to make sure people feel like they belong around me. That kept with me. That was that mission along the way that kept going, what? And so I'm saying, like, the mission is not necessarily your job or what the job.

Speaker 2 6:46

Mission is at the job, it's what you are as a human and what you value as a human, and that should be the thing that serves as that protective part for you, right and if you hadn't gotten curious about what had happened, then you could have just very well just repeated the same things that happened to you Totally, so you were able to just completely, like you said, just reframe it and say I'm using what I learned or what happened to me to create this, so that other people don't go through what I went through. That's exactly right. Yeah, I love that Beautiful.

Speaker 4 7:17

Well, I think Heather, what you touch on is like having individuals go through creating their own leadership purpose, right Like it's and I think that it's important for us to remember, like the purpose and the passion and the perseverance they're all different, right, but they're necessary Like you have to bring them all together in order to get to that goal, or even maintaining focus on that goal that's out in the far distance.

Speaker 4 7:40

Because if you're, not crystal clear on that and you don't have the perseverance to do it, which is that thing that gets you up in the morning when you talk about. You're going to experience the burnout. You're going to question why am I doing this anyway, or I? Can just go back and revert back to something that I have the skill set, the knowledge, the expertise to do. That doesn't require the extra oomph every day to make it work.

Speaker 3 8:58

Yeah, if you don't know your why for leading and, like I said, I think the why needs to go deep I really don't believe in the topical thing. I don't think the why for leading should be like the organization you're working for, Like I think you need to go deep on why do you accept the roles that you're in and what impact do you want to have to the humans that are looking to you for guidance in some way?

Speaker 2 9:15

So that would be a different world if every leader led like that.

Speaker 3 9:25

Which is be a different world if every leader led like that, which is. This is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 9:26

This is exactly why what I'm on a mission to do and there's just no way I can do this like right and that's okay, I'm gonna keep doing it.

Speaker 4 9:29

You're gonna get there. You're gonna do. I mean, let's be honest, like, if you really like, tear back the curtain of some of these companies and organizations. It's just like, well, you know what? Natalie's been here for 15 years and the job's open, let let's just give it to her. And that person doesn't have the clear defined why. This might not have even been on their radar. And now you have an individual in a leadership role, leading others and trying to figure out themselves while they're doing it, if they have the space and time to do so.

Speaker 3 9:54

Totally, yeah. Yeah, it's so true, I do. I do agree. So when I'm thinking about like when it's so funny, when I first started off consulting I hate to say this, but I kind of demonized people who are in executive roles quite a bit, partly because I had never been an executive role.

Speaker 3 10:09

I was always a bit director level kind of middle level management person, and until I started to do some executive coaching where I was coaching people who were like parts of multiple, multiple millions of dollars kind of companies, right, I didn't see them as much as human and part of it did. I still think was about the things of like here were the adults in my life, here were the leaders in my life and I think it like traveled with me until I started to really coach them and I said these people are struggling with all the same things that we're struggling with and saw them as human, saw that they need help. So, and saw them as human, saw that they need help. So it developed in me.

Speaker 3 10:41

I realized it wasn't just like I need to go fix these people who are making the experience for these other people so bad. It was after I started to see who they were. I was like oh no, I need to help them see that. Not that they can be both compassionate and strong, that they can lead that way and still impress upon the people around them that they see them, they hear them, they value them. It was a different thing. It was more I was like their helper versus I was going in to fix them. It was a different view, wow.

Speaker 4 11:10

Heather, can you talk to us a little bit about your most recent book, the Internal Leader? Like this leadership of self, a concept that I think is super valuable to everyone. Talk to us a little bit about the book.

Missions Bigger Than Obstacles

Speaker 3 11:23

Yeah. So this latest one, the Art of Self-Leadership, it's discover the power within you and learn to lead yourself. And it really, again, it stems from, I think, most of us. It's my story, but it's a lot of people's story. I'm realizing where we spend a lot of our time allowing, like things in our life, like layoffs, bad bosses, sicknesses, the pandemic, children, like all the things that kind of get in our way to be this, to form this thick clay around our brilliance and we don't let our own self shine. And so, to that extent, what's happening is we are waiting for permission, for some boss to tell us, like when it's okay to go do a job we got hired to do, to do what we're supposed to do, we are blaming other people for when things don't go some way, instead of owning the place we are in our journey, we are just waiting for somebody else to be our green light for all the things that we want out of our life and at work. And so this self-leadership concept is really saying okay, what are the things that you can do to start peeling away the layers and the layers and the layers that are you're putting over your own shine, and then I give them. You know concepts of like resilience is a part of like building. That that's kind of at the core, it's the foundation of it. But self-empowerment uh, progress over perfection is a big one. You know self-care, understanding your values, understanding why you lead to the stuff we're talking about right now, real foundational stuff. Understand the importance of using your voice to speak up on your behalf and others, understanding other people's relationships, relationships and how they want to be communicated to, and so there's like this inward, outward view in it and I really decided to push into that, because self-leadership is already embedded in caring leadership, which is that like original body of work.

Speaker 3 13:06

But what I realized after I had been like speaking to all these people, speaking to people in audiences, speaking to people in these focus groups, looking at these surveys, and then me myself being hit in the head with it within the last couple of years I realized that we still are part of a world that's blaming a lot of people for the positions that they're in, without properly owning the choices that they've made, to be led by other people and not themselves. So I just kind of got a little sick of it and said I need to put like a plan together to help people move past this place. And I recognize some of the victim thinking because I had been a victim too. So you know I was a victim a little bit through the layoff. I was a victim like all the little things. I was a victim. I had, you know, a little victim thinking. So I recognize in other people and I was like I got to do something about this. I got to do something about this.

Speaker 4 13:58

I love that. I love that. Do you have tools or modalities that you reference to in the book?

Speaker 3 14:07

Let's just take the victimhood piece, for example that you give the readers to help navigate through that. Well, part of that is some of the reframing. I mean reframing is huge, it's a huge solution for so many and people. It's I always say like it's not us, we do it automatically. We literally are reframing all day. It's the. It's that kind of like I'm done, like it's that sick of yourself thing, that like stops swirling, you're in a pit. Like recognizing I'm in a pit, recognizing I'm going to you know. Now I'm evaluating and what's happening now, what happened two weeks ago, and I'm going to see it objectively and I'm also going to see my role in it. Okay, because I do think that we do not recognize our role in our own circumstances.

Speaker 3 14:47

Often this is where the victim or the blaming comes in at and I'm saying, once we stop blaming, we can really see the situation for what it is. We are now more empowered. We're actually more empowered now, and so I give them a lot of tools on just reflective tools, helping them at first, like think about their values and think about the things that kind of like me, the things that chased them from their when they were younger, all the way to right. What are those things and how are they? What are your limitations? That are your limitations that are real and what are the ones you're self-imposing? So it's just asking a lot. I ask make them do exercises that make them ask themselves a lot of questions, very introspective work.

Speaker 3 15:24

And then I start to say, okay, what are the things that you can do now to build yourself back up? There is the things that we talk about, but just changing their mindset around things like do you have to? You know, I think the difference between progress and perfection is grace, and I think grace is just allowing ourselves a space and time to try something new and not land exactly where we thought we would, but then to realize that if we learn from it, we can get to a better place afterward. Yeah, this is a lot of life work here. I tell you, yes, it's not something you just wake up and that's all you do, but I feel like the books that we write, these are the things that kind of help them fast track some of their growth and their learning. But I'm going to tell you, those who are listening, you're going to have to hit the wall and in fact, I would tell you that if you want to build resilience, you're listening to this podcast.

Speaker 4 16:14

You cannot do so unless you start looking for some walls to hit. Yes, like you need to be on the lookout for them, which means you got to take a step or run. You got to take a step Full speed.

Speaker 3 16:19

Yes, you totally do. You absolutely do, or else, like you just won't be the thick skinned, the tough person. People are like, look at me and they go, wow, you say that was still a matter of fact and because I've done a lot and I went through a lot of pain and I've done all the work, like I do the work. You have to do the work. You have to do the work. You can't. This is no fast, this is something you got to do on your own. Yeah, get that muscle built up.

Speaker 2 16:40

And if you are alive, you will have adversity in your life. Yep, just how you choose to move through it is going to depict what's going to happen, where, where you're going to end up, if you're going to be a bestselling author who consults and coaches and speaks and changes the world, or you can be a victim oh and, by the way, anybody listening.

Speaker 3 16:59

if somebody tells you you can't change the world or somebody tells you you can't do something.

Speaker 3 17:07

Well, number one I'm not going to use the words that immediately come on my mind, but I would say that's not true, and here's the reason why that is is you are a human and you are who you are from one second to the next, and you can choose to change who you are from one second to the next. And you can also choose to impact one human based on how you interact with them and how you make them feel, seen and heard, and in that instance, when they are changed by you because they see themselves differently, or in that instance when you are changed by you, in that instance instance, you have then changed the world, because the world is no longer the exact way it was just one second before. So you can change the world, and you can do it just stepping out of the house, stepping out of the bed and how your children see you let's see natalie every time we say we're changing the world you are exactly, it's absolutely true you absolutely are.

Speaker 4 17:52

Yes, that was a much softer way of saying what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 17:57

I wanted to say it another way, but you know I don't know different shows. You know I don't know, Exactly. It's like it drives me nuts. Don't tell me what it is. I can't do. Don't tell me. Don't tell me to stay in my lane, Like. Don't tell me, because I told you like and this is the truth, that mission, that dang mission, that that bullseye that's out there, is the thing that makes me unstoppable. I'm unshakable because of that mission.

Speaker 4 18:23

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 18:25

Well, it's getting people to find what that vision is and actually go towards it without the fear of failure or whatever. I have to have everything figured out before I move forward. All of those things.

Speaker 3 18:38

Absolutely, which is what's embedded in that. But it's embedded in there because it was like I needed to give this. I'm like doing some of the work as I'm teaching it, like as I'm writing it right, because I'm like here's the story, here, all the and all my real stories are embedded in there of my failures at the time where I hit. I happen to have more bounce back ability because of the stuff that happened early on. Absolutely, I developed that high level of that and I think again. So when you're like, oh, I want to be like strong, like that I want to be, you are going to be that way If you're sitting around in the comfy, cushy stuff, not taking you can't do it, you're not taking chances.

Speaker 4 19:13

You're not gonna you can't get that from watching daytime television.

Speaker 2 19:19

It's not going to happen. Reality TV Not going to happen. It's not going to happen. Social media oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 19:26

Yeah.

Speaker 4 19:27

But I think that it's important, like for the listeners. The piece that is really important for them to understand are those folks that are listening and they think well, you don't know my situation, you don't know my upbringing, you don't know my bank account, I'm not old enough Like those, any of those big blanket statements. Heather's message is for you, right, Like you still have to take the step forward, it doesn't none of that matters. You can use that as a reflective moment and then figure out what you want to do and then get crystal clear on what's. What's your bullseye Like, what is that target that you're really working towards?

Speaker 3 19:57

and the impact you want to have. And the other thing is like, even when I'm telling, when I tell like the different stories and things, sometimes I'm like, oh, I don't want to tell this, and for people number one like to feel bad, or bad for me. I don't want them to feel like I don't know, like just woe is something, because guess what, I ain't.

Speaker 4 20:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:14

Don't feel bad for me. I don't feel bad for myself feel bad for me.

Speaker 3 20:18

I don't feel bad for myself. I don't feel bad. I'm only telling you as a teaching moment, and I also I do want you to. I want you to see the person who's standing on stage is a strong, capable and caring person. I want you to see all those things coexisting and I want you to know it's possible.

Speaker 2 20:29

Yeah, right, so yeah, and I think one of the things that you talked about sitting in it for a little bit and allowing yourself to feel that I think very much people just want to oh, I'm fine, and there's like hop on to the next thing and not really dealing with it and, like you said, you're not going to learn anything from it if you're just going from one thing to the next and you're not really unpacking it and getting really curious about why did this happen? What was my role in it? How can I prevent this from happening? What was the lesson?

Speaker 3 20:58

Totally, 100% agree, you've got it. It's like that human experience I always say. I talk about caring, compassionate leadership, and that wouldn't be possible if I'm telling you to just get over it. I need you to have the time. But there is a moment where we all know and I always ask people, like we all know when it's done, like we know when it's time to stop. It may be a week, three months, six months I mean I can't really tell a person what that is, but we all feel it when it's that time and there's that moment where we have to stop it. And these are those come more intentional tools that we do to say what is it? And you're right, I think, and this is why I think I started we're trying to lean more into this interest, more introspection than most, most of my other books is. I really want them to go really deep to places that could be painful. But as you come out of it that's when you are I feel like the eyes open, boom.

Values and Embodiment

Speaker 3 21:43

Because one of the things that came for me even when I was writing this book was the concept of values and understanding your values. I'd already started kind of like I noticed I started to talk more about embodiment. So I spoke to our chapter, I spoke to another chapter and it was about brand. But the first question I asked people is what is it that you say you stand for and what is the evidence that you stand for that thing? And it was this embodiment idea. Values came up, but it came up like before and then it made its way in the book. And then I realized in the book I didn't go far enough, because I realized that that's exactly what my entire journey was about. It was this idea of like, what do I value? And I value making sure first that I feel seen and heard by people and I value to make sure that people know that I have seen and heard them and they feel it, they know it. There's no doubt, right, and that is a huge value. So compassion was that Family was a big one. I mean it changed like exactly how I lived. But then passion was that family was a big one. I mean it changed like exactly how I lived.

Speaker 3 22:40

But then when I'm doing things that are like, that are in conflict with the values and now it was happening when I came into that retreat I was like, yeah, my business is going well, but I'm not seeing my kids and what is happening and I didn't realize it was. So I realized I wasn't embodying the thing I said I stood for huge, huge. It was like so now it's almost like a checklist. Now I had this in my keynote. I'm like now I want you to actually like do the survey. I want you to let's check off some things that you say you embody. Let's just check them off.

Speaker 3 23:05

Okay, now do you do this thing? That's counter to that. And they're like oh, yeah, I mean because it's a wake-up call. It's like yeah, oh, I say this, but do I do this? It's not like you, just what you say, it's what. And I'm always like I want you to. I'm the person who's going to smack you into understanding that it's not what you, just what you say, it's what you do.

Speaker 3 23:22

And it's going to be the same thing with this topic of resilience. I think, too Right, we can say it, but and we can also have that space but how long do we stay down? Are we teaching others by our actions that we can get up? And I have four kids, so they were watching me closely my eldest son, who called me like super mom. I'm like you know I don't really like that term. I don't like the term because to me it makes it seem like I can't be penetrated or that I can't fall down. But I realized, like again recently, why he says that. Yeah, and it is that bounce back ability, that it's almost invisible. I think, yeah, but it's because maybe it wasn't so invisible before, but it's gotten that way, you know Right. So, yeah, this is interesting.

Speaker 2 24:06

Awesome, awesome. So what is next? Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 24:11

No, no, no, that's perfect. That's exactly what I want to hear.

Speaker 2 24:13

What is next on your journey? I mean, you have you just finished a book? What's next?

Speaker 3 24:18

Well, I mean, okay, I'm saying this not in a, I'm just saying it because I did this. I have another book that comes out fall of next year, okay, and then I'm going to take a pause. I did a two book deal. So if I would, if I were to look back now in retrospect, I wouldn't have done it, but I did. So it's coming out next year. I am going to do more of the preparation for centeredness and more of the thing I know that I want, which is, you know, spending these last few years. I'll have one kid going away and one last kid who will be gone in three years. So I'll be focusing on just like, how do I continue to do things that don't require much travel? So that's all my group coaching amplification, that's my caring leadership ambassador program. That's all the things that doesn't require necessarily that I'm traveling as much. I'll travel when I want to, when it's when I'm strategically doing it with a client I want to work with, and that's where I'm at now. Amazing.

Speaker 4 25:08

And if people want to get ahold of you, Heather, how do they do so?

Speaker 3 25:11

I'd say probably two ways, so you can follow me on LinkedIn. That's probably the easiest way, cause I'm all over the place on LinkedIn, heather Younger, look me up on there and then otherwise my website is heatheryoungercom. Heatheryoungercom. That's the website.

Speaker 4 25:22

And we'll make sure that we drop that in the show notes as well, so that our listeners can find you if they want to reach out, if they want to connect, and we'll tag your book so that they can get a copy of your book if they are wanting to do that introspective work, which should be everyone and you and you don't have to be a leader anyone, no, no, no, it's leader itself, right like what are you?

Speaker 3 25:42

showing up for you totally that's and that's why I did it. I did it because it's like all my other work was focused on people, were managing people, and then, finally, I was like this is for them, too, but it's for anybody who even just like, who just is, like I'm a little out of control, I don't. Well, I'm really frustrated that this person's not giving me this or give me access. And I used to think, I used to believe I was the person who needed to be invited to the table. I needed to be the person who was given access to things. I was the person who was waiting for someone to say it was okay to do X, y, z, yeah, Not anymore, not anymore.

Speaker 2 26:16

Love it.

Speaker 4 26:17

I love that. Heather, do you have any last words of advice or wisdom that you'd like to leave our listeners with today, before we sign out?

Building Resilience Through Action

Speaker 3 26:24

I would say, in order to become the person that you hear me being right now, you got to hit a lot of walls, you got to scale some mountains, you got to fall and make a very, very strict intention that you're going to get up a little faster than you would before, and very strict intention that you're going to get up a little faster than you would before, and then you just get really good at it. So I would say that just go ahead and practice doing this, love it.

Speaker 3 26:44

Perfect, thank you, thank you so much for sharing your story. Definitely Thank you. Thank you for having me and your wisdom and your insight.

Speaker 4 26:51

This has been wonderful.

Speaker 3 26:57

Thank you. Well, I had fun doing it. Like I said, no, I don't need to prep when you, when it's your life, right, when it's your work. And I always find that, like, even when you're doing like as a you know for like the speaking side, when you are doing stuff, that's your own story and when you're doing teaching stuff, that is just your like it's my body of work at art, it's my life, or whatever, then it takes away the nerves it's my life.

Speaker 2 27:16

I know my life. Yeah, it's my life.

Speaker 4 27:18

What's going on here.

Speaker 3 27:19

I don't even know what I'm going to say.

Speaker 4 27:20

I know that it's my benefit. No one's going to question it, and the results are right here in front of you. This is what you get.

Speaker 3 27:25

I did. I'm telling you, I am a person. My entire life I was like, oh no, I don't want to. Oh no, I still am. However, now I'm like uh-huh, you're dang right. That's exactly what's happening, right? You know what I mean? It's like I used to do I didn't own it, but now I'm like I'm owning it, so it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 27:45

As it should Well, thank you for sharing the journey. It's a beautiful journey and it's going to continue. So I'm excited to see what else is up for you, because I have a feeling that you know, three years from now, when you're an empty nester, things are going to look different again yeah, different season.

Speaker 3 28:06

They really are. They really are. It's kind of crazy. It's just really nuts. I'm like oh, oh yeah, and then all of the oh, I didn't, I didn't say anything about doing now I'm on like hrt and so now't know, you might be too young for that, but the doing your HRT and then having the hot flashes now oh yeah, that's a whole other thing. So you're talking about like being resilient. I'm about too young for that, can't sleep and the hot flashes.

Speaker 2 28:26

Oh yeah, it's fabulous. I have a fan blowing right now.

Speaker 4 28:37

I'm hoping to hold out and not do the replacement piece, but we'll you know, we'll see how long I can hold it. It's a journey.

Speaker 3 28:44

It is, it really is. Well, thanks for having me. Really it's been awesome.

Speaker 4 28:51

Thank you, Heather. It has been an absolute pleasure For our listeners. If you want to connect with Heather, we will make sure to put her contact information in the show notes, and if you want to learn about what's happening in the world of reignite resilience, head on over to reigniteresiliencecom. Until next time, we will see you all soon.

Speaker 1 29:05

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