Mindfulness, Mentorship, Storytelling + Resiliency with John DeDakis (part 2)

Burnout is loud. Recovery is quiet and intentional. In this episode, author, coach, and veteran journalist John DeDakis shares how real resilience takes shape in workplaces and in life. We focus on practical ways leaders and teams build human-centered cultures that perform without exhaustion.

John outlines a simple vision for change: make space for life so attention returns to the present. Pair experienced employees with newer talent to exchange wisdom and skills. We discuss psychological safety, how ideas get lost in meetings, and what it means to credit voices in real time. The conversation goes deeper into immigrant grit, accent adaptation, and code switching—how it helps people survive and how organizations can lessen its hidden cost.

John also shares his journey with dyslexia, from shame to ownership. He explains how cognitive diversity drives stronger solutions when leaders value different ways of thinking.

Writing connects it all. Memoir heals. Journaling brings clarity. Storytelling turns pain into purpose. John gives insight into writing his memoir, mentoring authors, and teaching interviewing techniques that reveal truth.

You will leave with a plan for sustainable resilience:
 • Protect time for recovery
 • Build two-way mentorship
 • Create inclusive meeting habits
 • Use reflective writing to turn experience into growth

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Chapters

• 0:00 Opening: Finding The Inner Spark
• 0:18 Why Corporate Culture Must Evolve
• 1:37 Mindfulness And Regeneration At Work
• 2:05 Cross-Generational Mentorship That Works
• 3:16 Speaking Up, Safety, And Gender Dynamics
• 4:50 Immigrant Grit And Authentic Identity
• 7:20 Code Switching And Cultural Complexity
• 9:21 Dyslexia, Shame, And Owning The Story
• 12:30 Overwork, Burnout, And Boundaries
• 14:05 Writing, Memoir, And Healing Through Craft
• 17:07 Closing: Resources And Next Steps

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

SPEAKER_02: 0:42

And John, what do you envision when you bring this body of work into corporate America? Because I love the transformation that we're seeing in corporate America. Historically, traditionally, you wouldn't see this type of work introduced, right? It's go to work, set your goals, meet the goals, set the new goal, right? It's it's very much driven by tasks. And there's this understanding now that we are people and we are in this human resource business, regardless of product, service, or business that you're in. What do you envision? What would you like to see bringing this work into the corporate space?

SPEAKER_01: 1:16

No one has ever asked me that question before. So I'm winging it here. That's an excellent question.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23

And I'm the touchy-feely emotional, get in touch, you know, as if you can see between the two of us. I'm that one.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30

Well, let's go there. Let's go there. I'm gonna throw some ideas out there that any one of which could be expanded upon. But let's start with just mindfulness. We spend most of our time regretting the past and worrying about the future, and we're no good in the moment. So I would like to see corporations allow their workers to have a life, you know, to regenerate, to rejuvenate and and to realize that it's okay to have a family and to actually spend time with it, you know, to take care of yourself. So that's number one. I think that I think a good, wise corporation is going to foster good relationships within the organization. I think uh that uh I'd like to see, and I'm just making this up, but uh I think you've tapped into something. I'd like to see instead of older workers you know shunted aside because they're old, although they'll never say that, I'd like to see older workers teamed up with younger workers so that both people can learn. There's tremendous institutional wisdom that is there, and yet young people have tremendous acumen when it comes to social media and uh and all kinds of things like that. There can really be some cross-pollination that can be advantageous for a corporation. Um, those are two things. How am I doing so far?

SPEAKER_02: 2:54

That's perfect. I think that's great. I think any leader of a company needs to take that into consideration because especially the latter the mentoring kind of absolutely you take that institutional knowledge and kind of that innovative spirit that this younger generation brings to the workforce. Uh you a couple of things.

SPEAKER_01: 3:12

Mentoring goes both ways, it needs to go both ways, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 3:15

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 3:16

And I mean, I at CNN, I mean, that I was surrounded by young women in their early to mid-20s, and I think one reason I'm able to write as a woman is that they would let me ask them questions about what's it like to be a woman. I mean, there was one anchor I worked with, she was gorgeous, and I said, What's it like for guys to come on to you all the time? And she said, I can tell in the first 20 seconds if I'm safe. I never have to worry about being safe in a conversation. And that's when I realized that being a woman, at least in part, means playing defense.

SPEAKER_02: 3:52

Yes, all the time.

SPEAKER_01: 3:54

Yeah. And then I also heard stories about, you know, meetings where one of my friends was in a meeting and she spoke up and gave an idea, dead silence. Two people down, some guy said almost word for word the same thing. Everybody's going, Great idea. Does that ever happen to you guys?

SPEAKER_02: 4:13

100%. Yeah. I mean, you talk about it and it just speaks to the resiliency that women have, and you especially if you're going to enter into that competitive space of a work environment, corporate, or you know, even as entrepreneurs. You know, we we shared that we're serial entrepreneurs, and I think that makes it even more challenging because you don't have the backing of a big brand. It is you as yourself.

SPEAKER_01: 4:33

So I'm gonna turn the tables. Tell me, give me a sense of what it was that allowed you to have that resiliency, to be able to succeed in quote unquote a man's world. Is there a secret? First, you, uh Natalie.

SPEAKER_02: 4:51

I I would love to. I I think my formula is a little bit different than most because I actually pin this back to my birthplace and my upbringing. Uh so I was actually not born in the US. And I think as an immigrant to the country, you have a different perspective. And I feel like a higher level of appreciation and level of being locked into opportunity because for my home country, which is what?

SPEAKER_01: 5:21

Where are you from?

SPEAKER_02: 5:22

Jamaica. Born in Jamaica. Opportunity was not in abundance. Um, and it's still not a place where opportunity is in abundance. And so immigrating to the United States, you are it was called and coined the land of opportunity. So I see this as you know, nothing can stand in my way because I'm already here.

SPEAKER_01: 5:42

Yeah, but when you got here, don't tell me it was just smooth sailing.

SPEAKER_02: 5:47

Rainbows and daisies, absolutely not, John. It was not. The first memory that I have, and and you'll, because you were in the journalism world, you'll probably be able to relate to this. The very first memory that I have, four years old in preschool, getting teased and made fun of, two things race. I was the only person of color in the preschool, and number two, my accent. And so one thing I had control over was how was I going to speak moving forward. And so throughout the years, people have always had a hard time understanding where I was from. Uh, and I grew up in Texas, and so this is my Texas accent. Yeah, we're gonna be able to do that. And so people are, they would say, like, you've got this non-regional dialect. I said, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_01: 6:31

You did you have to really work on that?

SPEAKER_02: 6:33

Yes, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01: 6:35

How did you do that?

SPEAKER_02: 6:36

I think it was assimilation uh initially, and then realizing the stereotypes that existed with the Texas draw uh that existed through mainstream media. I watched, I grew up in the 80s and 90s, I watched television. So seeing those stereotypes and what people thought of how people spoke adjusted that. And then I got a communication degree, and you know, I mean, it's just it's just a space that I'm in and constantly top of mind. But if I'm able to now I'm gonna say this, and I love how you've sp you you sp you took the tables and you turned them on us, but it's something that I'm working on because it is something that I'm working on because I don't love the fact that I had to shed parts of me, John, to fit into fit quote unquote fit into society. And that's the crossroads that I'm at now.

SPEAKER_01: 7:29

In what way?

SPEAKER_02: 7:30

We talked about this on one of our prior episodes, I think the very first season is that there's a challenge in like authentically showing up as I am because I'm not sure if I'm going to be accepted for that. And I don't have a problem adjusting or shifting to whom I need to be in order to be in that space. And at this age and this season of life, that's no more.

SPEAKER_01: 7:57

You're being a little vague there, ma'am.

SPEAKER_02: 7:59

Yeah. Well, you know, here's the thing. I I've become very clear on the things that bring me joy, the things that fill my bucket. 20 years ago, 10, 15 years ago, I would say yes to any opportunity that came before me. I'm very intentional now to create those opportunities that I want or say yes to those that specifically align with who I am and my values. Had you asked the 20-year-old version of me, I would have said yes to absolutely anything because I was, again, seeking out all of the opportunities that existed. Now that's not the case. I'm going to either create what I want or say yes to what aligns.

SPEAKER_01: 8:42

Right. Because you're, if I'm hearing you correctly, you are more in touch with what your values are and you're more discerning and you're more willing to speak up and take a stand.

SPEAKER_02: 8:54

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01: 8:55

One more quick question, and then I want to hear Pam. Making it in a man's world, how difficult was that? Because obviously you don't seem damaged, and so it couldn't have been easy.

SPEAKER_02: 9:05

No, not at all. And I think in the space that I'm in, not just own the the fact of showing up as a woman, but a woman of color. Um, I you you get kind of this double, I feel like it's a double dose that you're carrying with you. Showing up in a man's world, for me, I have just like your conversation that you had with the news reporter in terms of knowing, like within moments, if you're safe. That is programming that is always operating in the background. Not only safe, but I can quickly and in moments understand if the person that I'm having a conversation with or people that I'm having conversation with value what I'm saying or see that I can provide any type of value in that space. And as a result, because I'm no longer searching for everything, if I can pick up on that, I'm the person that has become the wallflower. I'm gonna sit in the background, I'll observe, I'll witness, I'll contribute when needed, uh, but I don't need to be at the forefront of it.

SPEAKER_01: 10:06

Yeah. I do have a quick follow-up. Sorry, Cam.

SPEAKER_03: 10:10

No, you're fine. Thank goodness. You're keep going, keep going.

SPEAKER_01: 10:15

Um, I just read, I just read James, the uh the sort of the the modern day version of Huckleberry Finn. And one of the things that I found fascinating was how, you know, Jim, when he's talking with his people, there's a certain way of talking. And then when you're in white society, it's in another way. And is and that I never really considered that before. Is that still the case in our society in in the in 19 in 2025?

SPEAKER_02: 10:49

100% it is. Yes. Is it really um modern day term that it's been coined is uh code switching, and it absolutely is still a thing. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 10:57

And that's a survival thing, really, I would imagine. Right?

SPEAKER_02: 11:00

100%. And it's not taught anywhere, John. Like that's the crazy part, is that it's just uh from a social group aspect, like an entire culture that understands this.

SPEAKER_01: 11:10

It's like that's that's the this is why um a white guy can never write in the first person as an African American, because they just don't get it. They'll never get it. You can have African American characters because and you can so it's an observed behavior, and everybody has you know experience that way. But uh, you know, getting immersing yourself in that life it's just so vastly different.

SPEAKER_02: 11:39

It's and it's so complex. I think that's the thing, is there's so much complexity to it because there's so many similarities and differences, but they all bring us back to the exact same uh central nucleus, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 11:51

I mean, racism is baked into the DNA of this country. So, you know, unlike what you know they're trying to tell us, but uh slavery, there were no positives in slavery. The positive portion of it.

SPEAKER_02: 12:04

Yes, I got I'm I I haven't followed that curiosity, and I could try. I haven't carved that out yet.

SPEAKER_01: 12:15

Thank you. I'm I'm learning a lot as we see.

SPEAKER_03: 12:18

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 12:19

So all right, Pam. Uh the but you're in the hot seat now. So I'm interested in the in how you navigated the man's world and you know, got the resilience you've got.

SPEAKER_03: 12:31

Yeah. I think it, to be honest, it goes back to dyslexia when you're, you know, when you're diagnosed when you're seven. It was in the 70s and they knew about dyslexia, but the school, we were in a rural town out like 20 miles outside of Boston, and they didn't have programs for kids like me. So that meant I got pulled out of the classroom, pulled away from my peers. So I wasn't making friends, I wasn't doing, and then when I would go back into the classroom, well, why did she get to leave the classroom? And so a lot of that shame that you felt. And so I spent years just trying to be invisible. Like I didn't want people to notice me. And it was when my dad, when I was 13, imagine this braces, awkward junior high. My dad was teaching a Dale Carnegie public speaking class and he signed me up for it. And so it was once a week in the evening after school. And I just remember the first day showing up, and it was at this hotel that had the high, high ceilings, and it's this room filled with adults that just got off of work that are all in their suits. And every week we had to share a story about our life. And I'm like, I have no life. I'm 13. Like, what am I gonna share? And so it was over that period of those months of having to talk every week. And of course, these adults were sharing stories about um suicides and mental health and health challenges and abortions and losing children and divorces. And here I am. I'm 13. Uh, you know, I cut my lip on my braces the other, you know, it was just like I what do I? So, but by the end of that, and the encouragement and the support I got from those adults in that room just kind of gave me this boost of confidence. It didn't last very much. But what I learned through dyslexia was that I needed to work harder than everybody else to prove myself. And so my first line of career after college was the restaurant industry, and that is all male-dominated. And I always would I would start a job as a manager, and within three or four months, I was getting promoted to the general manager above the people that had been there for a long time that were substantially older that who is she to come in here, but I just outworked them. And it wasn't because I was trying to outwork them, it was just like didn't know anything different, but I I got a lot of anger and resentment towards other people in that industry when I was in it. And that was really hard. And then fast forward, I was uh on the executive team at a brokerage, same thing. I would just I got promoted to a VP and I just would work, I would be working seven days a week trying to like make sure that I was worthy of being the vice president when I'd only been in a management position for a short amount of time.

SPEAKER_01: 15:27

And I would bet that there were probably whispers that, well, she slept her way to the top.

SPEAKER_03: 16:28

It probably. And I luckily I didn't hear those, but I'm sure there were those because the the vice president was a young guy, good-looking guy. But what got back to me was that the president of the company thought I was trying to take his job. And because of that, and I confronted him because I told him, I was like, that is not my intention, but I didn't share that I had dyslexia. I didn't say that, you know, this is how I'm wired. And and I walked away. I walked away from that job because I got to a place where I just hit a wall of burnout. And I walked away from a six-figure job. I was a single mom. I had no idea how the hell I was going to support myself and went back into real estate after being out of it for four years, all giving away all my clients, and I started coaching and teaching and doing that stuff. And so it's like I've I've never known anything different. I will never go work for anyone ever again because I never want to feel like I have to prove myself.

SPEAKER_01: 17:31

At what point did you own publicly the dyslexia?

SPEAKER_03: 17:35

So I was asked to be speaking at our meetings every week at our company, and I was doing a presentation on the brain and how our brain can overcome things. And I literally did this whole presentation in that morning I and I was gonna share that I had dyslexia. But then I that morning I was like, I think I cured myself. I don't think I have dyslexia anymore. And I literally Googled it because it was before ChatGP. I'm like, can you cure it? And it's like, nope. And so I literally had convinced myself because in we moved to Colorado when I was 10, and they did have more programs for kids with dyslexia. And but when I got to high school, I did not want to be different. I didn't want to go into a different classroom. And then when I was so I didn't, I was like, I will not be in this classroom. So I worked extra hard to get into the class and I was on the honor roll my senior year. And then when I went to college, I could have somebody come to class with me, take all of my notes, and then I could take tests separately and have as much time as I needed to. I was like, there's no way I'm doing that because I don't want to be different. I just want to be like everybody else. But that meant I had to work my ass off to be able to keep up with everybody. And I so it's just it's just my wiring now.

SPEAKER_01: 18:51

I sense that you accept yourself now. How long did it take for that to happen?

SPEAKER_03: 18:57

I'm still working on that. Really? But to be honest, the book that puts everything on the table. I mean, I shared everything about the the feeling of being invisible and and and what that, you know, what it was like to have dyslexia and stuff. So so now it's out there. Like everyone who reads it is gonna know my story. So I have fully accepted it because what I've realized is that it's a gift. If we if we could look at it like that, if people could look at it like that instead of the shame, it could make a huge difference.

SPEAKER_01: 19:31

Well, are we having fun yet?

SPEAKER_03: 19:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:35

How did this become how did this do the big switcheroo? No, this is well, I I loved it, John. And I love the curiosity that you have about us. Yes. But I'm I'm assuming that this is the work that you're doing now. Like you are working with other writers, aspiring authors and authors, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_01: 19:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 19:53

And this is the work that you do to pull that story out of them. I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_01: 19:57

Well, I have a podcast as well. I started it in when COVID happened, and I sort of realized, oh my God, there's Zoom and Curiosity, and those two go together. I've got friends that I want to, you know, and people I want to get to know better. I haven't been doing it lately. Um, it's much more, it's not a regular thing, it's a whenever kind of thing. But I was interviewing a lot of authors, and uh, you know, the it really gave me an opportunity to dig deeply into. And I teach people interviewing techniques and stuff like that. So, you know, I'm in the zone. This is this is me enjoying life.

SPEAKER_03: 20:34

Yeah, I love it. I love it. There's a line I I would love to share from it's chapter 12, which is my favorite chapter, and it said, if you were to ask me back then what I really wanted, I would not have said love. I would have said perfection. And I was always, and I think still to the I I'm better now, but I was always seeking perfection. Sure. And I think that's what's yeah, carried me through.

SPEAKER_02: 20:59

This was great. And I love the just being able to ask the questions and doing the interviewing, John. But like you said, you're in the zone, and I think that that is definitely a skill. It's an art.

SPEAKER_01: 21:13

It drives my wife nuts.

SPEAKER_02: 21:16

Stop asking me questions.

SPEAKER_01: 21:17

I only get I only get three questions with her. There was one, there was one day where I actually got six in. Wow. You know, yeah. She said, I I don't know what happened. I must elapse.

SPEAKER_02: 21:28

Well, so then you know it's interesting because I flip it off. Like I turn it right off. If I'm not here, or if I'm not moderating a panel discussion, or if I'm not doing a workshop, it flips right off. And sometimes it makes my oldest daughter a little wild because I will tell her a story and she'll ask for specifics. And I'm like, I didn't, I didn't ask those questions. I don't know. I don't I'm I'm sharing what I know, and that's it. So I've I turned it off. So I I can understand your wife saying, you you have three and you've used your three for today, so call me tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01: 22:01

She doesn't even go that far.

SPEAKER_02: 22:04

Yes. Well, John, tell us what you have in the works. What are you working on now, or what do you have coming up in terms of training and workshops and how you're working with uh writers? And if we have a listener that would love to work with you, what does that look like?

SPEAKER_01: 22:17

Well, let's see. Uh all of the questions can be answered and you can get to me through my website. You know, I've got a page there that talks about the public speaking that I do. There's another page that uh describes the books, there's a page that talks about my upcoming events, which include a lot of online uh classes. And you can also get through to me by email if you go to my website, which is johndodacas.com, J-O-H-N, D as in dog E, D as in Dog A, K-I-S as in Sam, johndedakis.com. I've got a memoir that I'm shopping around. It's uh it basically the the concept is the pivotal moments in my life that brought me to where I am. And there've been a lot of lessons along the way because I'm old. Let's see. I've got I'm working on book seven, and my wife and I are actually working on it together, which we did for book six. Book six, my protagonist is a White House press secretary, pregnant, ambivalent about becoming a single mom, abortion is a crime, and a dictator becomes president. It could never happen. So there's that, and we basically wrote it together. She we she she and I came up with the idea, I would write it, and then she was my alpha reader and got me out of a lot of jams. And so that worked pretty well. It's getting it got about seven awards this year so far, and so we're we're doing that again. It's it's on the back burner at the moment because I'm expanding my business to speak at uh corporations and so on about writing as a way to heal. And what else? Well, I've got clients, coaching clients, manuscripts to edit. Yeah, I'm a busy guy, you're busy, but you know, you just take it one moment at a time.

SPEAKER_03: 24:04

And when you love it all, it's like it doesn't feel like you're doing a lot.

SPEAKER_01: 24:07

That's right. That's exactly it. I mean, you know, there are probably uh 7,000 unopened emails in my uh inbox, but most of them most of them are junk, as far as I can tell. Um, but um yeah, you I think there's something in scripture about let the day zone trouble be sufficient for the day. And so yeah, I every the days go fast.

SPEAKER_03: 24:29

Yes, they do. Yeah, and it seems to be faster the older I get. Yeah, running out of time. Yeah, we're running out of time, so we got to get it done. Got a lot of lives to impact.

SPEAKER_02: 24:41

I love it. I and you're doing that, John, and and all of your work complements each other, so that I can see how that's seems to be the case, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 24:49

It's all it's firing on all cylinders, is what it feels like.

SPEAKER_02: 24:52

And your experience putting the memoir together, the same in terms of writing experience as your fiction?

SPEAKER_01: 24:57

Yeah, uh, you know, I did exactly the same in terms of early morning. And you know, Cindy is my my wife is a little was a little uncomfortable because it's like it's your story, not mine. And I go, but yeah, but for 47 years you've been part of my story. And so she asked me to have her best, best, best friend read it first, sort of as the canary in the Chris read it and gave me notes, and then I you know worked on it and then wanted to see it again. So actually Chris read it twice and then said to Cindy, okay, it's ready for yeah, now it's the coast is clear, and and so Cindy had her, and I'm going into way more detail than you care about, but uh she had a knee replaced, and so she had to do PT. And so while she was doing her exercises, she had me read the chapters out loud, and she's very good. She can pick up things and and was giving me good notes. And then when she entered the story when we met, she goes, Okay, I'll take it from here without hovering. But I but I had to nudge, I had to keep going. How's that coming? How's that coming?

SPEAKER_03: 26:07

Oh, you know, yeah. Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_01: 26:10

But she signed off on it. You know, now we'll just have to wait and see. But the process was was pretty much the same. Dug more into my old journals. I didn't have to make stuff up this time.

SPEAKER_02: 26:20

That makes sense. Yep, absolutely. Pulling from your experiences, right? You're not creating anything. It is here's what I experienced. Let's put it in.

SPEAKER_01: 26:28

And the hardest thing is cutting because that you have to kind of be very judicious about what's important and what's not, and most of it's not. And and when it's your story, well, it's everything's important. Yeah, yeah. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02: 26:45

Oh well, congratulations on the memoir. I uh I'm gonna have to get my hands on it because what you've shared with us so far has just been uh amazing in terms of your life journey and your life work and what you've done. So I'm sure that the memoir will not disappoint. I'm I'm excited to see that.

SPEAKER_01: 27:02

Thank you. Well, we have to get it published first.

SPEAKER_02: 27:04

So don't hold your breath. I I'm gonna keep an eye out for it. I have no concern. I'm not worried at all. But I'm not the author.

SPEAKER_01: 27:16

I know how to find you guys. Maybe you'll let me come back and talk about it.

SPEAKER_02: 27:20

We would love to make you dead. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 27:23

We would love that.

SPEAKER_02: 27:23

Let's do that. I I would love that. We're we're gonna make that happen. So you just let us know as soon as it's um published. We'll connect and and we'll get you back on the show. I think our listeners would really enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01: 27:34

Well, this is fun. I mean, you guys are people ask me, you know, who's the most interesting person you've ever interviewed? Usually it's the last person I've talked to. I mean, I consider yes, you guys are the most interesting people I've talked to in the you know, because you're the most recent ones. And I consider it a good day if I've been able to go deep with with someone. And this is a doubly good day.

SPEAKER_02: 27:58

Yeah, this is I love that. Thank you, John. And what I heard is that I'm more interesting than Alfred Hitchcock, so thank you. I will take that.

SPEAKER_01: 28:06

You totally are. Yes, because he's dead, so there's way more interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 28:17

John, this has been an absolute honor. Thank you. Thank you for gracing us and joining us on the show today. And thank you for allowing us to share our stories as well, like turning the tables. It only happens every so often, and it's for those interviewers that know what they're doing. So I'm I'm grateful that we had the opportunity to share our stories with our listeners as well. A little bit more about us.

SPEAKER_01: 28:38

Well, you're welcome, and thank you. This has been a treat.

SPEAKER_02: 28:41

Fabulous. Oh my goodness. We will make sure that we put all of your contact information and your website in the show notes so our listeners can get a hold of you and connect with you if they so wish. And then for our listeners, you all know the spiel. If you are wanting to know what's happening in the world of Reignite Resilience, head on over to ReigniteResilience.com and don't forget to pick up a copy of the book when you have a moment. Until next time, we'll see y'all soon.

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