From Scar To Story + Resiliency with Teri Brown (part 2)

What does it take to go from a life dimmed by control and doubt to a voice that fills pages and crosses state lines on two wheels? We sit with Teri as she walks us through the quiet tactics of emotional abuse—financial gatekeeping, isolation, and the slow erosion of self—and the practical steps that helped her leave for good. A single, measurable boundary around money became the hinge of a new life. Therapy rebuilt lost pillars: work, friendship, and agency. Allies showed up without pressure, offering presence over prescriptions and making room for a choice only she could make.

On the far side of fear, her creativity returned with force. Six weeks after leaving, 50,000 imperfect words spilled out, the first of many drafts that taught her hand to tell the truth. We talk about the craft of becoming an author: embracing messy first manuscripts, partnering with an editor, learning marketing as a skill, and publishing before perfect. Then the story moves to the road—3,102 miles of cycling that rewired identity from “I can’t” to “I did.” Big physical acts can anchor a new narrative in the body, and that proof changes everything.

Teri also shares a hard-won philosophy: throw out the bucket list. Pick the one dream that won’t leave you alone and do one concrete step today. That urgency sharpened after losing her husband Bruce to glioblastoma; because they rode when they could, the ride exists as a finished chapter, not a deferred wish. We close with where to find her work—podcasts that champion indie authors, new books and anthologies—and a toolkit for supporting friends in harmful relationships: reduce isolation, offer specific help, and hold space without judgment.

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Transcript

Welcome And Episode Theme

SPEAKER_00 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

Terry, there you talk about your writer's journey, right? It was the dream, and now you're living in the reality of it, but then you had the life that happened in between. Talk to us a little bit about Terry during that time. I know that you're on husband number three. This is a safe space, no judgment. That's fine. That's great. This was your journey, but there were some challenging moments. You mentioned 14 years in a relationship that was not healthy, that was not feeding you. Talk to us a little bit about your creative spark during that season of life and where was it?

Falling Into Narcissistic Abuse

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Yeah. So in my first marriage, my children's father is a wonderful person. And he and I were wholly unsuited for one another. Like we didn't know what we were looking for. I thought I knew what I was looking for. It's not what I needed. We had these four beautiful children. I don't regret that marriage because of the children we got from it. I really think that we should have just remained friends. We made really good friends, but we did not make good partners. We just, we come at life so differently. There wasn't any, there wasn't a middle ground. In the middle, we were both miserable. Like there just, there just wasn't anything. We just couldn't find a happy medium. When I divorced him, I started dating this guy who seemed to be a real go-getter. He was on top of life, and it was like, that's what I'm looking for. And it turns out that he was a real go-get her, not a go-getter, but a go-get her. And he he was very much a chameleon while we were dating. I don't know. He he's a narcissist. He knows how to reel you in. He played all of the right chords for me. You know, it was just, it just seemed perfect. And we got married. And within, I would say within six months, I absolutely knew I had made a mistake. But I'm also probably one of the most bull-headed people that you've ever met in your life. And I was not going to be divorced twice. Yeah. Because I already felt like I had a big scarlet letter. Here I am, divorced with four children, and now I'm going to be divorced again. Oh no, I'm not. You watch me fix this. Unfortunately, you can't fix a relationship if the other person isn't also wanting to fix the relationship. And in that 14 years, I started out, I think, being very aware how bad things were. And by the end, he had bullied me long enough that I didn't believe in myself anymore. And I didn't even, I don't even know when it happened. Like I have tried to sit and say, like, could I, could I identify? And I really can't. It just slowly but surely I became someone who would go to the grocery store to pick peanut butter and be worried that I would pick the wrong kind. And that's not me. Like if you know me now and you think, Terry, you were never that way. And it was like, no, I was. I didn't have any friends, partially because he did a really good job of making sure I didn't have friends, and partially because I knew my situation was ugly and I didn't want people to see it. Right. He had alienated most of my family. My children were still with me, but my extended family pretty much he had alienated. I just didn't believe in myself. Two years before I left him, I kind of took a little break. I went and stayed, my son was an adult, married. I went and stayed with him for about a week. I just we had had this big fight. He would always take our money and then he would open up a new account and put it in the new account, and I wouldn't have access to it. So this had happened for like the third time in our marriage. And I went and stayed with my son. And my son said, Mom, you've got to leave him. Well, I wasn't ready to hear that. And so of course I dig in my heels and I start making excuses. But one of the things that I said to him was, I don't know what I would do. I would end up being a Walmart greeter and living in a cardboard box on the side of the road. And I believed that. I have a college education. I am an intelligent woman. It just blows my mind. I look now and I think, who was that poor sad woman? But he had beat me down, not physically, but emotionally, until I honestly believed that if I left him, I would end up being homeless and living in a box on the side of the street.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

So just that understanding of your worth and the value and what you would contribute to society or life. Yeah.

Isolation, Self-Doubt, And Control

SPEAKER_01 5:11

It was just gone. I just didn't, I just didn't have it anymore. And so it was interesting. After that, I did go, I went back. I told him that I wanted us to get marital counseling. However, I did not want to go forward with marital counseling until he signed an agreement that said that he wouldn't take the money anymore. I said, you can't do that by accident. You can yell by accident, you know, like just in the heat of the moment, but you can't accidentally without thinking about it, transfer all the money into a new account. And I said, you know, I am not going forward with this marriage until you sign this agreement. And the agreement specifically stated, if you take the money again, I will leave and I will never come back.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

There is no forgiving over this. It took him two months of therapy to sign it. And that's the only thing we talked about for two months in therapy because I refused to go any further in the therapy until he signed it. Yeah. And he did. And then in April of 2017, he took the money. Of course he did. Because he needed to know that I wouldn't leave. Right. And he took the money. I found out he took the money at 7 p.m. on a Thursday. And at 4 p.m. on a Friday, all my things were in storage, and I was on my way to live with my son until I could figure out where I was going to be. And I didn't go back. And to this day, I am so grateful he took that money. Yeah. I mean, I ended up getting my portion back. People always ask that. And the answer is yes, but I would still be there. I was going to say that. Yeah. I would still be trying to fix it when it wasn't fixable. I had one, I had one line in the sand, and it was not a hard one to stay away from.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

And so, yeah, I'm really grateful. I, you know, of all the things that he could have done, I am so grateful he chose to to break the one rule, the one thing I asked.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

So yeah, well, narcissists need that control. And that was very much a control thing for me.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He was certain. He was certain that I would come back.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

So what gave you the courage to to draw that line? Because it looks like up to then you were terrified that you were going to be holding under a bridge. And then something switched. Was it what your son said?

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Was it maybe it was partially what my son said. I also, at the time, I had my own personal therapist. Okay. And I think she knew I needed to be out of that relationship, but she never said so because she knew that saying so would mean I would walk away from our relationship. But she had said to me, you know, we talk a lot about your relationship, and it doesn't seem to be getting a lot better. People have a lot of things in their life other than just their one main relationship. There's their work life, there's their friends, there's their extended family. When's the last time you worked on any of those things? Because I have a lot of clients who are with their marriage but are happy because overall they're happy and then they have an acceptable marriage. And so she started having me work on all of these other pieces of me, which I think started giving me a little bit of a courage. And then by the time he took the money, I had friends again, friends he didn't know about. These were people that I would meet for lunch away. He didn't know these, and they weren't even people that I kept because I moved far away, but it was I recognized I can still make friends, you know, I can still do things. I had started working from home a little bit where I was doing writing for small businesses. So not creative writing, but you know, stuff that they needed on their website and things like that. And I had built that business up pretty substantially. I just kind of had gotten myself into a position, and I know that's what my therapist was doing for me, was she was putting me in a position so that I could do what I needed to do when I was ready to do it.

The Money Ultimatum And Therapy

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Yeah. She was giving you all the courage that you know you needed the support system that you had lost, the job that gave you that feeling of worth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Where I wasn't gonna have to live in a box, right? All those things. And so when I walked away, I felt like a whole person instead of I don't know what I felt like before, but I didn't feel whole. And this time, now that's not to say that when I left that relationship, I became just perfect because I wasn't. I was a complete mess. And I was an emotional mess and I was anxiety ridden. And I'm not saying that it was it was beautiful, but I had enough whatever it was to walk away. And my son said to me, Mom, you know, you can't go back. And I said, You're right, I can't and I won't.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

And I didn't, you know, it was like that was that was my time. That's when I knew. And sometimes people say to me, Well, what can I do to support a friend that I know is in a relationship like this? And the answer to me is is don't push them to do what they're not ready to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

But be there for them so that when they are ready, they know they have you in their corner.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

You know, like I had so many people that had told me to get out of that relationship that I didn't, and then I had talked with them and and tried to convince them why I should stay. But now I didn't feel like I could go to them. Yeah. Right. You know, so when something was bad, I can't go to them because they already don't like him.

unknown 10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Right. And that's not what I need. And so, yeah, I I my feeling is is support your friend in everything that she needs, but don't badmouth her relationship until she's ready to leave. Yeah. And when she's ready to leave, be there to help her get out. Because a person can't leave until they're ready. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

100%.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Regardless of what the world says. You know, they'll look and they'll say, oh, well, you know, they should leave. Oh, she should just leave. And it's like, yeah, that's it's it's a beautiful statement. And the truth is, is you're right, they should, but they can't because there's a thousand variables that you're unaware of. And until they kind of make some kind of alignment in that person's head, yes, they can't do it. Yeah. Yeah.

Leaving For Good And Rebuilding

SPEAKER_02 11:31

It's more than just the physical leaving, right? It's not just it's the emotional and the financial and the environmental, like all of the factors that come into play with making that choice. But I think that also when you're talking to the support system for individuals who are in this situation, I think also just stepping into that space where your counselor recognized that you were unplugged in every other area of life. And so I think just gently reminding your friends, you know, maybe you take a moment for yourself. Or are you finding fulfillment in this area of life and pushing them into that, or not pushing them, but it but pushing their attention in that direction. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

So guiding them or or doing something like, I know it's difficult for you to get away, but anytime that you can, let me know, we'll go to lunch. You know, like I'll be that partner and crying with you when you can get away.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

You know, those kinds of things just so that they know that they're not alone. Because especially in an emotional abusive relationship, you know, he made me very much feel like I had no one on my side. He also made me believe that no one would believe that he was doing any of the things that he was doing. He would say all the time, he'd say, They're never gonna believe you. And I believed him that they wouldn't believe me. And it turns out that people do believe you, but you don't know it at the time. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Terry, where was the author during this time? Did she exist? There was a piece of me that wanted to be an author and knew it, but I was terrified because when you create a character and put them on a page, that's like a baby. That's like it's part of me, it's part of my soul. It's when I was writing for small businesses, that wasn't my soul. That was their information, and I massaged it into something that sounded decent for the website. And it it, if you didn't like it, it didn't hurt me any. Like it, it was, it wasn't my soul. When you write a book, a character, a scene, a short story, that's that's part of me. And I'm putting it out there, and I was damaged and I didn't have a safe space. So let's say that I put it out there and someone looked at it and said, Oh, I don't like that. Well, who do I go to? Yeah, you'd have been designated in that yes, and it would have been one more affirmation that I was no good.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

And I just I I couldn't do it. But I got out of that relationship, and I'm kidding you. The words, it was like I would say, I'd say within six weeks of leaving him, I had my first terrible manuscript.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

You know, it was terrible, but I wrote 50,000 words. Yeah, you know, like like out it came.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

And so I think yeah, I think that it was there. It was waiting, but it was just it my creativity knew better than to let itself out in a bad situation where someone could hate it and hurt me.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Yeah. Did you find the writing once you were done about six weeks after, did you find that therapeutic or healing coming out of a relationship like that?

How To Support Friends In Abuse

SPEAKER_01 14:44

You know, maybe, but I there was just so much. There was just so much damage that, and I didn't even know where to begin with it. I was still hiding my writing. Like no one even really knew I was doing it because I still, even though I was now had safe space and and I was pretending on the outside that I was good, I wasn't, you know, like just to give you an idea, I used to leave my house when I was was married to the abuser and go swim. And I would go swim laps mostly to get away from him. And it was something that I did that he didn't find offensive, like it was okay that I went and swam laps. And and so this was kind of this escape thing. Now I'm out on my own. I love to swim laps. Yeah, I I get a YMCA membership, I go to get in the pool, and I had a panic attack.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

I couldn't even get in the pool to go swimming, which I love to do because everything it was like this was my escape from this bad thing, and now I can't even enjoy it for what it is. And it took me months to be able to enjoy the fact that I was going swimming. The first several times that I finally got in the water, I had to take a friend with me. Please come with me to go swimming. This and I think, wow, that's like craziness. But it was just so no, I wasn't really sharing that I was writing because I was still a crazy person. Yeah. I was, I was just, you know, like I was still, I was still crazy. And then when I met Bruce, I was still a crazy person. And I had no intention of ever dating, ever marrying again, ever. Like I was done. I'd done it twice, I failed at it twice. Nobody in their right mind does, you know, something the third time that's like stupid, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:31

No, third time's a charm, is what they say, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Apparently, apparently. But Bruce, I asked him all the time, like, what did you see? Because I was a crazy, damaged, anxious individual.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Yeah.

Creativity After Trauma And First Manuscripts

SPEAKER_01 17:47

And I think he saw beyond all of that. And then when we went on that ride, it cleared up most all of it. Like you can't ride 3,102 miles as a non-cyclist and say, I can't do things. You can't say I'm incapable. You know, and so I started to like unpack those things, realize them for what they were, put them in a box and shove them somewhere out of the way where every now and then things will happen. But now when it happens, I'll think, whoa, where did that come from? You recognize it for what it is, you know, you say, okay, well, I felt that. That was ugly. And then you put it back in the box and put it away because you don't need it anymore. But I wasn't, it took that ride. I think doing something so outside of my comfort zone and succeeding at it, that it was like, oh wow, this is this is, yeah, I don't know. It was exactly what I needed.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

That's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

I know. That's it's amazing. And and for it to come up to the cycle and the ride across the country, which congratulations, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

That's huge.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

And you were absolutely a cyclist. I know that you said as a non-cyclist, I feel that that makes you a cyclist in the fullest degree.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Well, you know, it's it's funny. I still don't feel like a cyclist. I look at at these people who go out every day and they cycle, and they're they're very trim and they're very fit, and I'm not those things. And and I just, I don't know. I kind of I kind of feel like a fake cyclist. There's nothing fake about 2,000 miles. No. No, no, 3,100 and 2. And I know where the two is. I think people say to me, why just why don't you just say 3,100? It's like I know where those two miles were. Because there's two. Two need to be given.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Especially the last two miles. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

But those those two miles are the last two miles over the Rocky Mountains. Oh wow. That's I know I know those two miles. And it's like I'm not, I'm not, they they have to stay on my 3102 mile definition. Absolutely. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Terry, the vision that I get, just to so you know, because your brain has all of the uh the film that's rolling all the time. Right. When you started writing, and I'm saying this to you from a place of love because you're on the other side of it, it's you know, when the pipe opens and initially the water is coming through and it's kind of sludge and it's gross before you get the clear water. That like that's the vision that I get is that you had this outpouring of words, but you can now recognize, you know, in this season of life that you just had like 73 versions of yuck and it's okay. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

And that's that's what I'm saying. Well, and I one of the things that that I recognize is let's just take it into another creative medium and think of someone famous. So let's let's say Picasso. What is the likelihood that the very first time he picked up a paintbrush that it was any good?

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Oh, it's not, it was not. Probably not.

Healing, Panic Triggers, And New Love

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Because he didn't know how to make the paint work on his brush correctly. He didn't know how to mix the colors the way he wanted to. He didn't really know what he wanted to do. He was just kind, you know, like those first things, although they'd be valuable today because he's now famous, they weren't good. Yeah, they were they were him experimenting. And that's what my first several manuscripts were. It was me, me figuring out, I know how a story goes when I read it. Okay, now I've written it. Oh, that's not how a story goes. What did I do wrong?

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Okay, so my next manuscript, I'm going to fix that. That's that's better, but this piece still is really bad. Okay, so what does a real story look like? Okay, well, I'm gonna fix that. And you just yeah, until you until you found a space. And what is great is I told you I just dealt with my editor today. It's the same editor I've had for my last three novels. So she's she's been with me, and she said, Oh, I could really see your growth as an author.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Wow, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

And it was like, I just go, I can just be done now. I'm happy, you know. So I think, but but I hope my hope is that when I write my next one, that she can say the same thing. I don't want to be done.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

I I don't want to say, well, I've hit the pinnacle. I I want to keep trying to improve the craft. And so, you know, for people who want to write, you have to come to a point where you say it's good enough to get out into the world. Because you if you wait for perfection, you'll never have it. You know, my my first novel won some awards. It it did pretty well. This novel that I just my third novel that's out is doing a whole lot better. It's a better novel. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't have put the first one out. Right. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

You know, I love that. Congratulations. That's amazing. Congratulations on the entire journey, right? Because it's all brought you to where you are today. Yeah, yeah. Terry, what is next? What's on the horizon for you? Oh, I have so many, so many things going on.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

So I have a podcast called Online for Authors. And so I read people's books and talk with authors like me who are indie small press authors who have trouble finding a platform. So that's one thing I do. I'm starting a what I'm calling a bite-sized podcast where I'm getting authors to read the first paragraph of their book, and I'm calling it the book hook. So it's it's more or less, did it hook you and would you put it on your TBR? So that's gonna get started in January. I've got the book coming out in the in the spring that peg unhinged, peg unmoored, peg something. I have a short story coming out in an anthology in December, and another short story coming out in an anthology in May. So one of them's called Feisty Deeds 2, and the other one is called Carolina Tides. I'm thinking of another children's book, so I may be doing something along that line. And I already have an idea for my next manuscript, but I I just can't focus on it until I get this one edited and going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

So you're not doing a whole lot.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

No, nothing.

unknown 24:31

No.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

I sit around a lot. Yeah, it sounds like it.

3,102 Miles And Reclaiming Capability

SPEAKER_02 24:37

You just do nothing. Just hang, yeah, twiddling her thumbs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Oh, go ahead and call me and ask me to get on a committee. I have plenty of time. You have plenty of time.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

She's ready for city council.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Yes. You work with authors with the finished product. Do you also work with authors in terms of training or workshops or mentorship as well?

SPEAKER_01 25:01

So yes, but not officially. Okay. Like I have a lot of authors locally that I work with. I've done a couple of workshops that are marketing related. I've found that in general, new authors, young, meaning young in terms of number of books you've got out there, don't know anything about marketing. I didn't. My first book came out. I just thought it was going to sell itself. I didn't know I was supposed to sell it. I had no idea about that. And so I've I've started, I learned very quickly. I just dove right in and said, I've got to figure this out. And so I do a lot of marketing type things with people. And I love doing that. Oh, something else that I'm hoping to do is I'd like to start public speaking. Oh. So that's using my 10 little rules for a double butted adventure. I would like to kind of use that as the springboard into public speaking. So but I don't have anything, I have nothing going on. Nothing going on. Nothing. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

If you have one piece of advice for our listeners, either aspiring authors, authors, or not at all, what would that piece of advice be for us today, Terry?

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Yeah. So my one piece of advice, it could be about being an author, but it's really just about life. And it's if you have a bucket list, throw it away. Okay. I hate the idea of a bucket list because you do not want to leave this earth with a whole list of things you wish that you had accomplished. Instead, look at your bucket list, find the one thing that speaks to you the most, and then find one thing you can do today to move you toward doing that thing. Even if it's going to be a five-year process, what's one thing you can do today to get started?

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

I love that. And I'm a bucket list person, but as you said it, it also made me realize if we spend our entire lives focused on the bucket list, we're missing all of the magic that's happening around us in those present moments, too.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Well, and and not only that, but let's assume, you know, we didn't really talk about this, but my husband, Bruce, was diagnosed with glioblastoma, which is an incurable brain cancer, and he passed away in January.

SPEAKER_04 27:05

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

So I have this beautiful marriage. I finally have it all figured out, and I lose my husband.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

If we hadn't gone on that bicycle ride when we went, if we had kept it as a bucket list item, it would be something that neither he nor I got to do.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah.

Growth As An Author And Craft

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Right. And a cancer diagnosis comes up quickly. One day he was fine and the next day he was not.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Right. And then what do you do? When he died, he didn't have a bucket list. He had things that he had either completed or that he had was working on. And I think that that's just a better feeling to know that I was working toward it. Even if you didn't, even if you didn't get to accomplish it, that you were aiming for a goal and you were doing something. So I hate bucket lists. That's okay. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

Wow. Thank you. That's beautiful, Terry. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your personal story. Thank you for sharing your author's journey. Very inspiring. So thank you very much. We will make sure that we put your contact information in our show notes so that our listeners can reach out and find you and definitely put your podcast information so that they can come over and find your pod as well. That would be great. Yeah. Yeah. And congrats on the new one, the bite-sized piece that will launch here in January. That's exciting. That's fun. Um, this is a world and a space that we really enjoy. So we know that we our our goal and our hope is that we're making a difference. And I know that you're doing the same. So thank you for continuing that work.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Thank you for having me today. Oh, absolutely. And for our listeners, you all know the deal. If you want to know what's going on in the world of Reignite Resilience, head on over to ReigniteResilience.com or find us on Facebook and Instagram at Reignite Resilience Podcast. Until next time, we will see you all soon. Have a good one.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

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