Meaningful Success Book Launch: Natalie & Pam Discuss Finding Fulfillment in a High-Achievement World

Meaningful Success challenges the belief that achievement alone creates fulfillment. 

In this special episode of Reignite Resilience, cohosts Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass pull back the curtain on the creation of their newest book in the Red Journal Series, Meaningful Success: How Clarity and Alignment Actually Drive Real Achievement. 

Together, they explore the inspiration behind the story, the evolution of the Red Journal Series, and the lessons they've learned through years of conversations with resilient individuals from all walks of life. What began as an idea rooted in podcast conversations evolved into a powerful narrative designed to help readers examine their own relationship with success, fulfillment, identity, and personal values. 

The discussion dives into the challenges of writing, the vulnerability of sharing stories, and the realization that many high achievers spend years chasing goals only to discover that achievement does not automatically create meaning. 

Natalie shares how the fictional character Jasmine's journey reflects experiences many professionals, leaders, entrepreneurs, and caregivers face when they realize they have built a successful life that no longer feels fully aligned. Pamela contributes her own insights around self-discovery, values, connection, and the personal growth that comes from examining the stories we tell ourselves. 

Together, they discuss how the podcast has transformed them, the importance of honoring yourself, and why sharing your story can create an impact far beyond what you imagine. 

In This Episode 

• Why achievement and fulfillment are not the same thing 
• How the Red Journal Series was developed through the Reignite Resilience community 
• The role values and alignment play in creating meaningful success 
• Why honoring yourself is essential to sustainable growth 
• What Natalie and Pamela learned about resilience, identity, and purpose through the writing process 

Whether you're pursuing ambitious goals, navigating a major life transition, considering writing your own story, or redefining what success means to you, this conversation offers powerful insights to help you move forward with greater clarity and intention. 

Meaningful Success is more than a book. It's an invitation to pause, reflect, and build a life that aligns with who you truly are. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Kat.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

What do they say? Things are slower in the summer. Note.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

That's malarkey. That's malarky. Malarky. Exactly. Why? Because like when our kids were young, they had a schedule. Yes. So at least we knew for a period of time we would have like calmness while they were at school. Yeah. Summer lets out, no rules, no expectations, no nut. It's like anything goes like wild. Like exactly. Anything goes. No schedules. And I don't do, I'm a Virgo. You're a Virgo. We like schedules.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

I used to have anxiety every summer. I think I have like just sideline anxiety for all of my friends that still have kids that are in school because they're like, oh, the kids are out. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what are y'all gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 1:37

It's almost like a trigger response. Like, oh my god, what are you gonna do all summer? Yeah. And I'm then I'm like, oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:44

This generation of parents somehow figured it out. I had that like moment of freak out with um a friend of mine. We were on a call earlier today, and he has two littles, a three, no, a two-year-old and a four-year-old. Oh gosh. A two-year-old and a five-year-old. And I'm already in freak out mode. I'm like, oh my gosh, what are y'all gonna do this summer? And he's like, Oh, well, they do this, this, and this. And then on one day we'll do, and I'm like, oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

We didn't have this, this, and this when our kids were little. There was no this, this, and this.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

That's why.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Exactly. Like, go outside and play. Yes. Come back when it's dark.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Exactly. Exactly. And don't hurt yourself. Don't get in a car with strangers.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, don't get in a van with a stranger. If you get thirsty, drink out of somebody's hose. Yeah. You're gonna be just fine.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

For the most part, they are.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

They're stronger for it.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

They are definitely stronger for it. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Well, welcome back to the show, everybody. What was this?

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Y'all just like came in hot, didn't even say welcome back to reignite. Nothing. We just went in all because we were we were talking as the countdown was happening and we weren't gonna interrupt our conversation. We're not gonna stop that.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

No. And here's the thing like it's uh it's just one of those days, weeks, seasons right now. So Pabe and I were just talking about the fact like we're gonna we're gonna record this pod and then we're gonna hop off, and then we've got another planning meeting that we're gonna hop back on. And I was like, we'll hop on, record, hop off, hop back on. And then she goes and turns yourself around, and that's what it's like.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

And then I start singing. That's what it's all about. You put your right foot in. We put your right foot in.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

And here we are. Listen, y'all aren't experiencing it good for you. It's live vicariously through us. Yes, that's where we are.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Yeah, and you're probably gonna need a nap after exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

A good afternoon power nap. Never hurt anybody.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Never hurt anybody. I am an encourager.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Today we don't have a guest, and there is a special reason why. We are so excited. Um, we've talked about this. I think we've cued it up, we've led up to it, we've alluded to it, we've done everything to let you all know that uh we are releasing the second book in the Red Journal series, and it is officially available on Amazon. Meaningful success. How clarity and alignment actually drives real achievement. And so we're super excited. The book is out, it's on Amazon. Uh, by the time this episode airs, it will be available on Amazon in paperback and ebook. So you can get your copy. But yeah, ta-da! Here it is. Oh, wait, I think there's like new sound effects. I could probably use a sound effect, but anyways, it's here.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Okay, awesome. Well, we're gonna have to definitely do some sound effects at some point. We'll figure that out. We'll figure that out. So let's let's dive into it because I want you to share what was the inspiration and what was the process you went through to start to write the book and then complete it. Because I know we have a lot of listeners that are probably like, gosh, I really would like to write a book. I've got a book in me. How do I do it? So love that.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

So yeah, that's interesting. It's that's an interesting question. I my journey is a little bit different. I actually went through the process of attending a writing retreat um almost 10 years ago. Almost 10 years ago now. It's like the magic number. Everything is always like it was actually nine years ago, which would be perfect because that's the the number of completion. So nine years ago, I went through a writer's retreat and I wrote a manuscript, and it was the hardest. It wasn't the hardest experience. It was a challenging experience. It wasn't hard, it was challenging. Um, just to put yourself in a space where you are um completely in flow and like in this flow state to write, and it was controlled, controlled environment. The retreat took place in Hawaii. So you're in paradise, you're away from distractions, your phone's not ringing, all of those things, right? You don't have the meetings, you have four dedicated days to just simply write. And it was lovely. And I started to go through that process, and the story that came out was one that like kind of took me by surprise because it wasn't my reality. It was definitely a different version of me or a different lifetime that I lived, or something like that. And so there were characters, there was a whole build-out, and I got through to the character development and I like hit this what would one would call like writer's block. And I was like, I don't, I don't know, because I don't know these people, right? Like, I'm like, I don't know who these people are in this book. And so I put it to the side. And then when we went down the process with the podcast to say, okay, let's start this book series. And I'm, and in my mind, when I said yes, it was we're writing these um practical application, like the book that talks about overcoming adversity. It was going to stem from some of our podcast episodes. And I was like, yes, I can do that. We can talk about the experiences that we've had with the guest and our guest stories and their tools and their techniques. And I was like, yes, let's do it. And then, as you all heard, if you haven't heard, go back and listen to the older episodes. We we started down that path, and Pam was like, I don't think that's where we're going. And so we went in different directions.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

I just felt like we we wrote it, and I don't know about you, this is a me statement. I I didn't feel like it was authentic. No, I I felt writing a workbook, and I'm just like 100%. This doesn't make me excited.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Yes. And I I think that was actually something that came up when we we had a writing coach that that Pam and I worked with, and I think that came up in one of our coaching sessions with the coach. I was like, you know, here's the thing, it feels very workbooky. Like, are we creating a workbook or are we writing a book? And then that's when like we just put, we took a beat, which is always good to do if it doesn't feel like it's in alignment. Take that moment to just actually pause. And so we took a beat, and then we were like, let's actually dive into it and and see what it can look like. And so Pam was able to deliver the quiet gift, which um stems from her story of dyslexia and working through that as a young child and into her um college and and professional life as well, like what that looks like. So, this book for me, long answer to your short question, I apologize. It just gives the listener all the background. Yes. Um, for me, I started doing reflection on like, well, what is that story that I want to share? Right. We have created this community that brings people together where we talk about the adversities that we had and um how we overcome those or how we face them and and how we work through them. And uh, you know, one thing that I've I've I'm gonna say that I I um leaned into in a different season of life was that I didn't live enough life to be seen as like the expert or the professional or like, you know, the authority within a space. And then um be careful for what you say and what you wish for, because then a lot of life started happening, you know. And and with that, those life experiences have really shaped me in a way of how I show up as a professional, as an entrepreneur, as a leader today. And so this book, Meaningful Success, actually goes through kind of parallel. It's not my exact story, but it it pulls from some of my real life experience some of the challenges that you go through when you are aspiring or really have that drive for success, right? Where you're in that, I've got to do the next thing, I've gotta hit the next goal, I've gotta, you know, it's like you have the recognition, you get the accolades, you move on to the next thing, and you just keep moving up and up and up until you reach that moment where you question, like, is this even what I wanted? Like, is this what I want? Like, is this what I thought it would feel like? And um, the reason that the book runs parallel, the the story itself follows the main character, Jasmine, who is a middle-aged woman that has uh she's achieved all of the successes in life. And um, she has a family and a husband, and um, they're building what looks like a pretty amazing life on the surface. Um, but underneath there's something that's pulling at her that she just doesn't have that sense of fulfillment. And that was a season that I found myself in, is that I realized like I'm doing all of the things, but I'm not fulfilled. I'm not satisfied. Like, what is happening? So uh that's what sparked the book. And I said, okay, if I start to write about that, this transformational slash pivotal point in my personal life and in my professional life, because it's impacted all, um, what would that book look like? And that's that was that was kind of where I I began. Um but I knew that I it wasn't like my memoir, so it's not a memoir of my life. Um it's a it's a story of Jasmine and and what it looks like for her to actually um achieve success. So yeah, that's the book in a nutshell. Super exciting.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

I love that. So is there any uh tie to that first manuscript that you wrote in Hawaii?

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Oh, there is not. Okay. That is a completely different book. Yeah, that is a completely different book. Can you ask Pam? You you know, for the the listeners out there that are like thinking about um writing a book or you know that you have a book in there, uh, I would say give yourself some time to like just really decide like what is it that you want to deliver and and what is the impact that you want to have, right? Like we shared, Pam and I, we we have these podcast episodes and we meet these phenomenal individuals that have amazing stories. And we have adversities in every area of your life that you can imagine, right? We talk about adversities and finances and career and relationships and health and wellness. We it it's a run across every area of the life of life, but we didn't want to create a workbook. We wanted something to actually be more personal, to have more of an impact. So if you're sitting on a book or you think you're sitting on a book, think about that. Like what how will your story impact or change the lives of other people? Um, for the first book that I wrote, it's still out there. I may pick it up. I know where it's stored, it's stored on an external hard drive. So I may pick that book back up. That one is a that one's a heavier, darker book. Um and yeah, it's uh I I think that there are a couple of books that are in me. I going through that writing retreat that I went to nine years ago, um, I kind of had this this vision that I had um at least three books within me uh that were ready to be released. So um we'll see if I pick up the first one. I think the first one's like a good one that just gets you gets it gets it out of there.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

No, I I I love that and I love the idea of yeah, maybe circling back to it. Cause when was the last time you read that manuscript?

SPEAKER_03 12:47

Oh gosh. Um I would say maybe three or four years ago, it's been some time.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Yeah, it's been a lot. And and I've seen how much you've transformed over the last three to four years.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

I think I don't know about you, but I feel like this podcast has had a huge impact in both of our transformation of these people that we're meeting and just these connections that we're making with with humans. And it's like, holy wow. I feel I don't even remember post post Pam, post-podcast.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Post pod pre-pre-pod pam? Pre-pod pam.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Podcast pam. P P. Yes. Or B BP before podcast.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Yes, before podcast. You know what? That's um, I I remember it just because I just had to pull it back up for this book, but I remember, and there are still things that come up, but you're exactly right. I think um the impression that many of our guests have left on us, I it's yes, I'll make that an I statement that they've left on me. Oh, yeah. Um, I there's yet to be an episode where I don't get off of the recording and I take a moment to like reflect because there's always something that applies or to my life, or there I'm looking at something a little bit differently, right? And so um, yeah, this this place has definitely this this space that we've created has definitely uh left an impression on me for sure.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Yeah. And my hope is that if you know our listeners are sitting like, oh my gosh, because I ever I've heard this from probably every person. Oh, I I have a book in me. I just don't know how I would do that. I think writing a book is incredibly vulnerable because you're like, oh my gosh, what what if people don't want to hear my story or what if nobody buys it or whatever. Um, to me, it's less about who buys the book and more about me just letting it out of out of here and onto a space where it's leaving a message for whoever, whoever, whoever chooses to read it. But it is such a I don't know what how to explain it because I'm starting, I'm you know this, I'm doing a writing retreat in July. And so we just had our first session where for two hours you just write, and it's nothing to do with the book that I'm gonna write. It has to do with just they asked a question if you were a place, what would you be? I mean, it's something like that, and you just literally put your pen to paper and you do not pick it up and you do that for 15 minutes. You don't lift your hand, you just I mean my hand was cramping up, but I was like Yes. Um, and it is so interesting what just flows to you if you allow it. Yes, get out of your thinking brain and you just allow the words to flow out of you. It's such a powerful space to be in in strove. I I'd love that. So, did you kind of have that same when you were in Hawaii? And then this time as well, what were some of the like, did you find there was a specific place or a specific time that you would do your writing, or what did that look like?

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Absolutely. So um in Hawaii, I I wrote on my laptop. I was trying to think because there were people that were allowed that you could either type it or you could write it. And I knew that I would be able to type. Yeah. I was very competitive in high school. So when I took typing class, the girl that sat next to me, we always had our own competitions outside of what the teacher wanted us to do. So typing is something that it's easier for me to do. Um, there's there's a little fun random fact if you wanted to know. Um, anyways, I knew that typing it would be easier for me, like just to stay to keep up with the flow that was coming out. And so I did the same thing. I just went directly to a Word document, right? Like open up the Word document, let's just start going. Um, I it's easier for me now because my children are adults and you know, I I have the space. It's not like I don't have the space that I can like create the environment for me to be, um, you know, to start to like kind of outline where I want to go and what it's going to look like. I think the hardest thing that I, the hardest part of putting this book together um was actually going through and figuring out what parts of the story I wanted to put in or what parts of my own personal story I wanted to weave through. And then how that all fits together with Jasmine's actual story because it's again, it's not me, it's Jasmine's story. So there are like parts of my experience in this life that are in the book. Um and then there are also like it's the storyline of this completely other different different person. And so, like, that is hard. That is that is hard. I'm just gonna say it. That is a hard thing. And so um, I think that was the most challenging piece for me. And then um, I think building out the other characters, right? So um Jasmine is married, um, her husband John, he's in the story. They have uh, well, she has three kids, they have two together. Um, that's built into the story. And so what I really enjoy, um, or what I what I enjoyed and what I wanted to make sure that I brought into the book was the other perspectives for the people in Jasmine's life. And I think as high achievers, we're so driven by the success or the win or whatever it is that the goal, whatever it is that we're working on, that oftentimes we don't have an opportunity to put ourselves and have that empathy, like put ourselves in the shoes of the other person. And so the book absolutely ties in the perspective and the impact of Jasmine's decisions on the other members of her family and how that's influenced the other people in her lives as her other people's lives in her life. And so um I think that was that was kind of the thing was like, okay, create this space and then making sure that I didn't just capture like the one-sided view of it, um, but also looking at like other people's perspectives. So that's why it was hard because I had to take myself out of being the jasmine of the book, yeah, and saying, okay, if I'm the child of this person, how does this actually feel? And and it actually showed this and and again, it's all perfect timing. Um, my youngest daughter just graduated from undergrad and we chat all the time, and we were having a conversation recently about something that I did when she was a kid, and I was like, Oh, I did that all the time. And she was like, You did? And I was like, that was like important for me to do all the time because I wanted you to know that I was there and I wasn't missing these moments of life. And she's like, I don't even remember that. And I was like, Well, shit. Like you, right? Like as adults, we're like, I'm gonna do this so my kids know that I'm there or that I support them or that I love, and we think about like these one-off random actions or things that we can do that we put emphasis and importance on, and then give them 20 years and then you ask them about it later, and they're like, I didn't even know that you did that. I don't remember any of that. And so, like putting myself in that, like having those conversations helped to put me in that space of like, how does this impact your loved ones? Like your performative behavior as a professional, how does it impact the lives of the people around you?

SPEAKER_01 20:21

So yeah, because we don't often think about that because we're so in the this is the way we wash our clothes, wash our clothes. It's like we exactly. Like, no, no, this is what we do. We don't, we don't deviate from this and uh the impact around us. Exactly. Wow, yeah. So, what for you? Because I found this when I was writing my book, what was the lesson you learned about yourself when you wrote this book?

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Mm-hmm. Um, well, you can see them all in the book because you all know I'm I'm very linear. So as I was writing it and I started to discover these things, I um identified them as principles. So there are five key principles in the book and one bonus principle. Um, and it all comes back to um actually my core value right now. Uh, with some recent life changes, I did a my core value assessment, uh, you know, about two or three years ago, again, because life happened. And um, freedom is my strongest and most important core value. And so throughout the book, it was kind of this constant search for or journey or um kind of yearning for this freedom and not really knowing what it looks like, not knowing how to get there. So, as Jasmine is going through um the different seasons of life and um faced with making different decisions, there are principles that pop up. And these are the same principles that I uncovered for myself in writing the book. And so um the biggest principle, which I think is key, and it's actually the foundational piece for. The entire book, and I think for for everything that carries out through her entire story is making sure that you value yourself first. And so that was something that I didn't do for many, many years. And I think that is probably the key turning point pre pre-podcast Natalie. That's one of those key turning points, right? Where I would place the um value or importance of everyone else's needs ahead of my own. And then when you reach that season of life where no one's really depending on you to be there for them, yeah. That's a harsh truth. It's like there, right? Like you have this goal of like raising phenomenal humans and um and they're independent and they're fine, and that's great. But then also you have independent humans that don't really quote unquote need you. And my girls are that, right? Like they don't need me for anything. They are fully self-sufficient. And so because I place so much value on being mom to them and making sure that they had everything that they needed and wanted and were set up for success in life, I lack the time, space, and energy in looking at what I needed. And so valuing yourself first is the key and first principle within the book. And then you'll see that there are six other principles as well. But um, I uncovered that for myself. And that was uh that was huge. And and it's and it's hard. You know, I've alluded to that in the many past episodes of the podcast where, you know, you asked me like what I want, and I jokingly and and sometimes flippantly just say, I don't know what I want. Let's move on to the next thing. Now I am crystal clear, like I know what I want because I've given myself that time to actually be with myself and to um kind of get centered in knowing what I want. Um, how I'm gonna get there is irrelevant to me. Honoring who I am and what I want and know and not like losing um what that feels like, what it what it smells like, what it tastes like, you know, all of those things is is the key piece. And so the the string or the thread that ties both the quiet gift and meaningful success together is the journaling process, right? And so um we had Emily in the first book that had the journal that she found and she was able to utilize. Jasmine also has um a journal that she uses, one that uh sat untouched for many, many years and and she discovered it again, and uh that helped her along this entire journey as she's finding value in herself.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Wow. I I love the um honoring yourself first. I had a coaching call with Amara this this past week because I am newly discovered that I'm a nine when you and I are with Rachel Jane. Um you're a nine. I'm like, uh no, I'm not. And she's like, uh yeah, you are. And you are welcome. Come to terms of this. You're not talking about what if you don't know what a nine is, it's it's Anneagram. There's different there's nine different personality basically types. And so I am a nine. And she asks, and so now Amara knows that she was able to kind of coach me through like what does that look like? And one of the things is she goes, What is your why? And she goes, and I don't mean the why as in this is your purpose in life and you're supposed to do blah, blah, blah. It's what is your why? Meaning, what is the thing that fuels you? Like you know deep down in your core that when you do that, it fills your energy, it fills your soul, it fills just everything. And I hadn't had somebody ask me that before. And so I'm like, well, teaching. And she goes, That's doing for others. And so she's like, but say the word teaching. And I was like, teaching. And she goes, How does that feel? And I'm like, Well, this feels she goes, Well, me, it felt flat.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

It's fun.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah, and then she's like, Okay, how about what else? Well, inspiring other people, and she goes, Okay, we'll say that word. And I said, inspiring, and she's like, How did that feel? And I said, That felt heavy, like a job. And so she goes, Okay, so we kept going through this process and we landed on connection. So, how does it feel when you connect with somebody that you're with? And I'm like, that like lights my soul, like I love that. And then as we talked, and I was like, and it also goes along with presence, that presence and being connected. And I and I was like, and it isn't only about connection with another person, it's sometimes connection with the outdoors, with nature, with you know, whatever, and with the divine, whatever you want to say. And so I settled into that's my why. And so she's like, now, because nines have a hard time setting boundaries. Now, when you're asked to do something, you need to ask yourself, does that feel like when you say connection, that's the type of connection you want to have in your world? And if it doesn't, then it's this isn't for me right now. It's a no. It's a no. And so it's it was just such an interesting. So when you said that, I mean, I literally this happened on Monday. So I literally just or Tuesday, I don't even know. So I'm just now figuring out how to come into tune with me and exactly on that. So I love that you said that.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

I I think it comes from a lot of like our programming that we have. And I'm gonna speak specifically to women because um, I'm gonna say women now, because young women I feel are a whole different breed. Um, so the the uh gen eyes or a gen, whatever the the younger ones, if you're younger than 30, I'm not talking to you.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Turn this off. You're probably not listening.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Exactly. I am not I'm not speaking to you because there was a time where where women, young girls, um, that are now these women that are walking around that have not been programmed to value ourselves, right? Like it's we were programmed, um, and I'm gonna make it a we, us. We were programmed to serve others. It's like you're going to be there for X, Y, and Z. I remember going to college and I went to college in the South, and I it it so much so that it went against the grain that it it it hit me at the time uh as a young adult in college when I heard it. But when I got to college and I'd never, ever in my life now, I'm first generation it to go to college in the US, right? So US college experience is different than European college experience. So when I got to college in the US, and so I didn't have like family to lean on to say, oh, well, what's it like? Da-da-da-da. And I get to college and I I meet these girls that are very clear. Dad has told them you have three semesters to find your husband. And they are very clear that they're there for their MRS degree. And I was like, I'm sorry, you're here for what? And so, like it, and it it starts there, right? Like, I mean it doesn't start there. It's like it's it's it culminates until that, right? It's like I'm here to find the person that I'm going to serve and I'm going to again pour into do so that we can have the kids and the dog, and I'm gonna do for all of them. Um, and all the while, like no one's asking you what you want, right? Like, even as a young child, it's be seen and not heard. Yeah. Okay, so all of those thoughts and ideas and and questions that I have, I just had to sit on them because don't you're you're talking way too much. Sit down and be seen and not heard. And so there's there, like this opportunity to honor your thoughts, your feelings, your emotion, and be expressive in that was absolutely stifled for us when we were growing up. And so it's no surprise that we are where we are as women. It's like, oh wait, I can actually think about me and no one's gonna judge me and say that I'm being selfish. Like it's healthy to think about myself.

SPEAKER_04 30:03

Okay, yeah, I'll do it.

unknown 30:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

A lot of unwinding of programming that has been done since we were little. And no fault of our parents. It's this is just society. It's it's what it was. It's what it was.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

And we do I totally blamed my parents for a long time. And then that came out somebody for goodness sake. I did. I totally blamed, I totally blamed my parents, and I always, and this is the victim mindset, right? Like this is how quickly victim mindset and victimhood can fall into you, you can fall into the tracks of it or traps of it. Um, because I would always say, Oh, well, in my household, or my parents were this, or my parents, and then I start to talk to other people that are within the same age range as me. And I hear that their childhood and upbringing was the same, and I'm like, oh, this was generational.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

This was just not because they, I mean, it was done to them and it was done to their parents' parents, and I mean, so on and so forth. It's just been this trickle down, and I think that there's just been this new awakening of women um in the last, let's say I would say maybe 10 years. I would say that's been 10 years for me since my divorce. And it's completely it's just throwing everything out the window that was that was was. And now it's it's not anymore. And yeah, we get to make the rules.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And especially because that's I again, it's um, you know, we've talked about the values piece, and you and I, we we have taught other people about this, um, especially moms that end up doing the values exercise and and out of obligation, moms typically choose family. Yeah. And I think there uh definitely was a time that if you didn't choose family, you're getting judged. If you're a mother, you're getting judged.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Yeah. And I I remember watching people that would write family, and then when I gave them permission to not have to put family on there. Yes. Because what if one of these other what if health was one of your values? How can you even be there for your family if you don't have your health? Wouldn't that be more important? And they're like, Oh, I just I guess I didn't think about that. And it's like, yeah. Yeah, so it just it's so interesting. It's so interesting. And so so fun. I love it. It is fun.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

It's fun.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

It is.

unknown 32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

I think I I'm okay with the untangling and peeling back of the onion layers or whatever metaphor you want to stick in there. I don't care. Yeah. It's fine. Like, I I don't um I think it's all part of the journey. And I'm I am grateful that I have reached a point in my life where I can face it and not feel the judgment. Yeah. Right. And I can just simply unravel it as I see fit at my own pace to get me to wherever I want to go. Um, which again, I think this is what these six principles um really uh pinpoint or put a spotlight on for us, uh spotlight on for us as we're reading it. So yeah, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Yeah, and I think it's gonna resonate with so many people men, women, um, yes, adults. It it's gonna resonate because it's they're such powerful principles that they really work for anybody. So they do. So excited.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Yes, I am too. I am too. It is available on Amazon as we speak when you're hearing this. So um meaningful success, go and check it out. I uh cannot wait to hear what your thoughts are. Oh, and leave a review, of course. We want you to leave a review.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Then are you thinking of making it an audio audiobook?

SPEAKER_03 33:46

You know what? Here's the thing. I just got through this milestone. I haven't thought that far yet.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

I was just wondering, because I, you know, there are those listeners out there that love the audible for live love an audiobook.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

I, you know what? And I am um uh listening to Joe Dispenza's uh the becoming supernatural. I am grateful for audiobook for that. Like that, yeah. Uh I am Dr. Joe Dispenza, the amount of research that you did to provide these books to us, thank you. But also, my brain doesn't operate like that. So audiobook is helpful. You know what? I will do it. I will look into it. It's going to, yeah, that'll be the next, the next phase. I think right now it was just a matter of well, I guess we I didn't even talk about the other pieces. Like creating the space to write the book, that's one thing. Yeah. Um, going through the editing process.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

That's always like that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

You get it back, and you're like, oh, really? Exactly. Exactly. It's yeah, because here's the thing there are a lot of things that make sense in my brain that did not make sense on paper. And so to have someone point that out, I'm like, well, shit. Why don't you know what I'm thinking? Like, that's exactly what I just didn't say it. I get into the brain and know what I meant by that. That's exactly. And then um, the amazing team that just helped with like formatting. I mean, there's so many things that go into it. So, and and this is self-published, right? So, you all, if like if you're thinking about self-publishing a book, like definitely do so. But um, it is uh there are steps along the way, right? Like you have the actual content, the material that you're creating, and getting that out and making sure that you're working with an editor that is aligned with you and and can work on your schedule, and also um just like a team that can work with you when we're looking at like formatting and all of that. There were a couple of folks that I reached out to to assist with formatting, and they're these um publishing companies that will have like just ancillary services that they'll provide. It's so interesting because um there was one company that I interviewed and they were like, yeah, well, if we send something back to you for revisions, we're going to need a response back in at least 24 hours. And I said, My schedule does not allow that. And so I was like, you know what? No need for my feathers to be flustered. You're not the right person for me.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Yeah, I'll work with someone else. Not today, Junior, but thank you.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Oh yeah, exactly. Not, I mean, I'm on a plane for six of 24 hours. Like, how am I gonna get back to you? No way.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Even then, I mean, the creative process of writing, I was like, if you have depending on the revisions that they want you to make, it's like you must not be able to do that in such a way that it's on honoring the book. So it's like that sounds terrible.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

It it's it's it's it's doesn't sound like they want business. No, exactly. And it's listen, I love your business model. If that works for you, great. It I was not your ideal client because I'm not just an aspiring author that's sitting at home behind my computer all day, every day. Like that would have been a hard thing for me. But yeah, it all came together, the right people came forward, and um the process itself, it is it's a heavy lift. So if you if you have that book in there that you know that you want to write, that you want to write, first start by writing it. Don't think about all of the other things. There are many other steps, and there are services and resources, and you can Google anything, you can AI question everything, like whatever it is that you need, you can create a plan. Yeah. Um, just get the story out there because that's what's important. Yeah. As Pam mentioned, just getting it out.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

And I think that we what we have learned over this um these oh my god, almost three years of doing this podcast. Yes, is that your story is meant to be heard.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Meant to keep to yourself because there's somebody out there that need has gone through it, is going through it, needs to hear it. And that's what this is, that's what this is all about. It's a community.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Also, uh, we are starting year four, not almost three years.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

I'm just gonna let you know that right now. When you get to a certain age, stop tracking. Yeah, you were like in almost three years, I was like, oh, we well surpassed surpassed three. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

We're almost at five years. Okay, I think that's what something's supposed to happen at five years, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

That's well, we'll come, we'll we'll cross that bridge when we get there. We'll we'll we'll figure that piece out.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

I think we got yeah, something's supposed to happen. I think trumpets and whatever.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

There's gonna be Oh, that's right. Trump, that's that's I was gonna say. Okay, hold on. That was a what was it? It was, oh well, we don't need that. Uh no, we don't need any of that. Um, oh, here we go. Um go to Amazon.com, secure the meaningful success book. And there we go.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

That was the attempting to put it on. Nothing happened. That was nothing. And there was nothing happened. Nothing. Okay. Well, never. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

Nothing. Okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

This is this is what it's live technical difficulties, you guys. This is what it sounds like. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

Okay. So now we've talked about the book. Everybody's gonna go um get the ebook, and then next week there or no, it's gonna by the time this comes out, it's everything is gonna be available. So the book, read the book, leave a review, um, and then second book. I don't know that it'll come out at the end of the year, but what what what the or the third book? Third, book three, book three, and then you are gonna pull out the first manuscript, and maybe that's gonna be a 2027 thing. That's such a huge commitment. Commitment is just a maybe. It's a maybe. No, I'll pull it out. Pull it out. That's all I have to do. Let's pull it out, like revisit it and just say, does it does it speak to you? It may not. You're a total are you're totally different person than you were back then when you wrote it. Who knows?

SPEAKER_03 39:47

I I can still remember the characters from that book, and I can remember specific scenes that I wrote out in that book. And uh, I can still remember that sitting here right now. I can definitely pull it out.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Okay. Yeah. We'll pull it out, and who knows?

SPEAKER_03 39:58

That's yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's uh that's a big commitment. We'll see. I'll pull it out. We'll see what happens with this.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

It's just it's only pulling it out. There's not you don't even have to read it, just pull it out. You say, okay, I got it, and maybe have somebody else read it.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

And just that's the worst. Absolutely not. And we're writing a book for anyone else to read, people.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

We're not writing it for anyone else to read. That's how funny you say that. That's uh, so my partner was reading the book um this week, last week.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

Anyways, one of the things that's or the original.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

This this one. And um, and when I called him, I was like, Oh, well, what are you doing? He goes, Oh, I'm just reading your book. I said, I gotta go now. I just broke out the book. Don't tell me anything.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

I don't want to hear it. I know it's like I don't want to know. I don't want to know. Don't say anything.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Like, just you just process it and keep your thoughts to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Yeah, don't give me any fees cut again. Just good. But just so no to that.

SPEAKER_02 40:53

No to that. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I think we'll see though. Something will happen.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

I I enjoyed the process. All in all, it was good. I'm glad that it's complete. I but I'm also a September Virgo, so I like that sense of satisfaction with completion. So I have that. And uh, we'll see. I mean, I still have to get the audiobook figured out. I'm not recording the audiobook, just so we are all.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

We already have our audiobook person.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

She's probably do it for us as well. And we that same voice for the the books and exactly. All right, so now we have a big event coming up, end of June, that we need to let our listeners know about because we've got a few of our past guests that are actually, or is it all of our past guests? With the exception of one, exception of one, but three of these have been guests on our podcast. Um, so you're not gonna want to miss this. And it's the success summit. So it's exactly in the middle of the year, and you guys know we're all about kind of those check-ins throughout the year, and it's the middle of 2026 at the end of the month. And what better time to get together and spend two full virtual days? You don't even have to leave anything, do this from the comfort of your home.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

Come as you are, come up.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

Yes. Exactly. And we have Natalie and I are gonna be speaking. Natalie is actually going to share the principles that are from the book. Um, we're gonna go through the values exercise so that you can really dial into what your value is. And like Natalie said, those change based on the season of your life. So you may be hanging on to a value that meant something five years ago and it may be different now. So doing those check-ins every so often and making sure you're in alignment. And then four incredible speakers. One's gonna walk us through uh breath work and some somatic um resets. Uh, I go, she does this reset every week and I go to it every week. It's completely free, and it is such a great way to just kind of recenter yourself, especially when you're busy going all the time. Um, we've got another speaker that's gonna share an app that helps with decision fatigue and picking your wardrobe. So um that's gonna be a great one. We have an AI expert coming in who's going to uh share how you can utilize AI in your life, not just your business, in your life to make your life more streamlined. And then we have um the last speaker who's not been a guest on our podcast yet, who is gonna be all about the alignment in our body. And she is a dynamite. She's like just high energy. It is gonna be two full days of some laughter, maybe some tears, and a whole lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

Exactly. Exactly. I'm so excited for it. Uh, mark the calendars June 27th and 28th, uh, nine until three mountain standard time. So 10 to 4 Central Standard Time, if that's a that's a kind of a good baseline to go off of. We will make sure that we drop the link to purchase the tickets. They are available on Eventbrite. So if you find the Reignite Resilience podcast account on Eventbrite, you will be able to pull tickets there. Uh, you can also find information on our Facebook page. Um, it's an event on Facebook page that will take you directly over to uh purchase tickets on Eventbrite. You guys, it's it's the middle of the year. Here you are, halfway through 2026. Like if you're not sure if what you're working on is actually working, now's the time to check in. Now is the time to check in. Um you don't want to throw anything out, uh, throw everything out. And we're not gonna do a complete revamp or overhaul of your life. This is just an opportunity for you to one, reflect and then two, leverage yourself. Um, we're looking at, I mean, with the somatic work that we're going to have that's introduced, making sure that you're not burning out for the rest of the year, making sure that you can leverage yourself with technology, with the use of AI, if that's something that you have or have not used in your personal life. Decision fatigue is a real thing. We are able to make more precise, crisp decisions when we don't suffer from decision fatigue. So if we can take some of those things off of our plate, how can we continue to leverage ourselves? And then making sure that all around we have great health as it pertains to like the four chambers of the heart. We're here to just help support you. So if you're interested, and you should be, go on over to Eventbrite and get a ticket.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

You should be. And it's gonna be, it'll be fun. We always have fun.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

Yeah. So it's I think it's gonna be an amazing time. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited. All right, well, um, a lot of amazing things happening here in the world of rig night resilience. I think our next episode, we have a guest that's joining us, so that's gonna be exciting. Um, and back to our regular scheduled programming, and we would love to see you join us for our Zoom event, our mid-year success summit, uh, that is taking place on the 26th and 27th. And if you found this um episode to be helpful and beneficial and you think that there's someone else that would enjoy it, feel free to share it. And if you have not subscribed, I don't know thinking. Go ahead and subscribe.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

It is so good. All right, until next time, we'll see y'all soon.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

Bye, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

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