Fragle Rok
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Blake Perry MMA Fighter
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Join Fragle and his homey Blake Perry. Blake Perry is an MMA fighter and has a fight coming up in just a couple days on the UFC Fight Pass.
Fragle and Blake are both from Ohio but have since moved to new lands. Blake now lives in California training MMA day and night, and Fragle now resides in Taiwan as a science teacher.
They have both lived interesting lives and have rich histories.
They cover interesting topics like training, MMA, supplements, various diets, the military, NAD and vitamin drips, bone broth, traveling with the Dead, teaching abroad, and food in different countries.
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all right, gangster, we got it, we're live. What's up, man? How's it going?
Speaker 2good, bro things are great how you doing man, not bad.
Speaker 1In a weird way, I feel like I know you, but we've only met once for an interview hey, man, I feel like we know each other too, dude so yeah, man.
Speaker 2No, we've talked enough times, right, we've only been on a show once, but you know we messaged back and forth quite a bit. So I I'd say we know each other.
Speaker 1Yeah, Plus we're from Ohio. Do you miss Ohio?
Speaker 2I miss people in Ohio. I miss some of the people in Ohio, ohio itself, certain aspects maybe, but a lot I don't. I don't miss the weather. I don't like I don't miss the weather. I don't miss I guess a lot of it's weather related, to be honest, but I miss some aspects. I miss a lot of people and there's a lot of fun stuff to do in Ohio. Everyone hates on it, but there's lots of fun stuff to do. So yeah, sometimes I'll say, yeah, I do, I miss Ohio sometimes.
Speaker 1There's this weird global conception or perception of Ohio and, like some of my students, like third, fourth graders, they're like you're from Ohio. I'm like, yeah, they're like is it a weird place? And I'm like I don't know why. And they're like that's what people say.
Speaker 2Bro, it's like became like meme culture dude Like everywhere. Yeah, meme culture dude like everywhere. Yeah, there's like constant memes and videos and all kinds of stuff about about Ohio being this like wild West of the world. Um no, I don't know. I feel like it was kind of just a normal, I don't know dude, just a normal place to grow up. But then again, I grew up there, so who knows?
Speaker 2Um, I guess, I guess anything would be normal to me if I grew up there, right? No man, yeah, kids, kids will make fun of ohio. That's, that's for certain, for sure for sure.
Speaker 1That's how you say good morning in japanese ohio yeah, yeah, yeah, um. What was I about to say? Oh, where are you at right now?
Speaker 2dude this. So there's this little coffee shop, so I'm in california I guess that's that's I was getting you can get specific. I'm I'm in california, let's start there. I'm in california, in fairfield, california, okay, currently actively sitting at a coffee shop, um, and it's probably almost closed, but they let you just kind of hang out out here. It's nice and quiet, cool view. Wow, good strong, uh, good strong connection on my phone, so I figured, why not? Like I like coffee, I like quiet places, so I heard that.
Speaker 2I heard that yeah, yeah, it's cold huh um, it is a little chilly. It's probably like I. I get cold easy too, though, man. It's like 60 something. It's not like cold, cold, but you know I'm bald to be honest that I I rock beanies a lot like even if it's not that cold outside. I have beanies on a lot of the time, um, but no, it's not super cold, it's like it's brisk there we go.
Speaker 1I miss wearing beanies, man. It's so hot and humid out here like yeah oh is it really always, always and like it. The temperature never gets below 50, I reckon about 50 55.
Speaker 2Even lately it's been really hot and extremely humid because taiwan's a subtropical island oh, dude, that's wild man, because even, yeah, california, it even gets to like upper 30s and like the winter and stuff like it's pretty cold here in this part of california. It even gets to like upper 30s and like the winter and stuff like it's pretty cold here in this part of california. Yeah, not ohio cold, you know, but uh still pretty cold, all right, so fucking.
Speaker 1Uh, I saw you got a fight coming up.
Speaker 2Yes, sir yeah, bro, uh, december 13th, uh, cage warriors in san diego, california, at the sequin resort and casino um, that's where they usually do their us cards um are, I'm pretty sure, like always in san diego, if I'm not mistaken. Um, no shit, yeah, dudes, I'm stoked to be back there. I thought my last fight was with them at the same exact venue. So, so, making my second cage warriors appearance appearance, so, um, yeah, I'm fucking juice man.
Speaker 1I can't wait. So your first one was the one where you got your nose smashed.
Speaker 2No, that was the fight right before that. That. That was for a one combat, uh, in Stockton, california. Uh, where I, where I got my nose smashed. The following one was Cage Warriors in San Diego. When was that? When was that? That one man? That's been a long time too, man. March 2023. That was the Cage Warriors card a year and a half ago.
Speaker 1Wow so you competed once in the UFC before a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2And this will be your second time On UFC Fight Pass. Yes, so I've never fought in an actual UFC, but their channel airs. Their channel, like the UFC Fight Pass, has a bunch of promotions that they show on it. This will be my third UFC Fight Pass appearance. Oh word. But yeah, we're looking Eventually, dude, I'm going to get in the UFC, but no, I've never actually fought in the UFC, but I fought on their channel that they air a bunch of promotions on. Ah gotcha.
Speaker 2As well as this one, december 13th, will be aired on there. Hell yeah, how old are you? Yeah, I am going to be 30 in like two weeks bro. No, shit, not even, not even dude, Like I don't know, like 11 or 12 days or something.
Speaker 1Yeah, november 2nd or something. Yeah, november 3rd, november 3rd Wow.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's cool. 30. The big 30, man, that's when you.
Speaker 1that's when you start approaching your peak, though, man, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, pretty amazing.
Speaker 2Yeah, dude, yeah, I'm kind of looking forward to it.
Speaker 1Bro, I don't know everyone talks about their 30s and leaving their 20s, but I'm looking forward to it. I can't remember turning 30, but it was in taiwan. I moved to taiwan when I was 28, oh, yeah, yeah yeah, how did you? How did that come about, dude? I traveled with the grateful dead for eight years and in the end, yeah, you can't just get past that.
Speaker 2You traveled with the Grateful Dead, all right, it's like Jerry.
Speaker 1Garcia. Jerry was dead before my time.
Speaker 2Well, you're from Cleveland.
Speaker 1I used to go to Nelson's Ledges all the time.
Speaker 2Yeah, you know that oh.
Speaker 1I'm familiar. Yes, yeah, so it started off following Acoustic Hookah.
Speaker 2You know them as well, so I'm not, as I've heard the name. Yeah, it's like the Ohio.
Speaker 1you know, every state sort of has their own jam band and that's the Ohio one. And so I started going to Acoustic Hookah shows, which then started turning into like bigger shows in Illinois and Florida and Kentucky and Minnesota, and then it went from just following jam bands to trying to like explicitly follow the remaining members of the dead, not jerry. Yeah, I had 95 and uh yeah, moved to columbus when I was like 1920 and just went all in, man, all fucking in dude.
Speaker 2What a fucking life story dude that's. I mean that itself would be a whole entire conversation. That's fucking crazy dude. To me that's awesome, that's cool as shit Because, like, I've only seen like documentaries on. I've never seen them live, or even the remaining members. I've never seen any of it live, but that's like its own lore of itself. Dude, the Grateful Dead, the fucking wars and the fact you followed him around, that's, that's nuts man. Good for you.
Speaker 1That's like the life, the life of a gypsy, basically, you know yeah it was. You know it started with like hosting drum circles, buying and selling gems, designing jewelry, designing clothing, selling clothing, selling jewelry. But it's a ruckus culture cause. It's heavily dominated by drugs, so eventually we all got caught up.
Speaker 2I was going to say, I mean even hearing Nelson's ledges. You know, I'm like, oh, dude, that's like the acid hotspot, dude.
Speaker 1That's like what that is for anyone who's been there.
Worldly Perspectives and Personal Transformation
Speaker 2Yeah, that's, that's. That's, that's crazy man. But damn dude, what? What a fucking story that's. Yeah, I like I said I could pick your brain on that for hours. That's that's crazy man. Um, I did, yeah, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1Yeah, um, so you ended up in taiwan through that well, like the first four years were fun and then everybody got hooked on fucking terrible drugs, myself included, yeah and uh, it was really hard to walk away, but when once people started dying and going to prison and made it a little bit easier, uh, and then when my roommate passed, and when he passed I was like all right, like I'm next, and I just called my mom.
Speaker 2I'm like mom, I got to get out of this now. Yeah, the process of elimination it's a bitch, you know that's like yeah, yeah, man, like you said you're again. I'm sorry about your roommate man, um, but like yeah, that shit hits home. You know, when you start to like close people, yeah, definitely I'm happy you got out when you did. You know, yeah, but you know, I'm sure you have plenty of wild stories, at least, to say to say the least, even if they're not necessarily good ones.
Speaker 1You know wild, I'm sure, is an understatement well, what one time I was at the show called all good in west virginia and what we do on saturday mornings and sunday mornings is we'd walk around ground scoring, just looking for shit that people drop. We're walking around and we see this couple, but naked, and they like fell asleep like midpoint.
Speaker 2Just still inserted Just yeah, man that was pretty funny. Yeah, that's equally awesome and disgusting. That's fucking cool man, cool man.
Speaker 1yeah, that's the kind of shit you see but yeah, that, uh, that drove me over the edge in the end and then I went, got a degree in education, linguistics and asian studies and then I was trying to talking about groundstorming to a degree in asian linguistic yeah, I don't know. I guess I I had an inkling that I was fascinated by languages. I don't know how I had that. That must have been a gut feeling, but I did. And then like, and I went to bg, I went to bowling green good, okay, nice.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't think I knew that either.
Speaker 1Yep okay, yeah, which was dope man? So many chinese, japanese, spanish, central american. Uh man, I was exposed to so many cultures, so many languages. It was that's like the best thing you can do for your soul and your spirit and your psyche meet a whole bunch of people from a whole bunch of countries a hundred percent man.
Speaker 2I feel like that's like one of the main things to grow just in general as a person. You know, like I don't know, I feel like people get so engulfed in their own little bubble that you know they don't meet different cultures, different walks of life and then they just end up being the same motherfucker they've always been, you know, and never look outside the box. So that's kind of cool man. You've had an interesting I'm sure you have an interesting perspective on a lot of things that you know. I've never been to taiwan. That's pretty fucking cool man. So like I feel like you have to have somewhat of a unique perspective on stuff you know from just the places you lived and been.
Speaker 1In general, it's pretty cool yeah, yeah, it's hard to change if you're not challenged. I think india is one of the countries that provided me the other than the Grateful Dead, which I guess I'll just call the hippie culture country, the India man, india.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, showed me some of the greatest things and some of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, and that's good because it changes your perspective on what a problem is.
Speaker 2Oh, dude for sure. Like you know, everyone always talks about first world problems. That's like, yeah, dude, I'm, I can only imagine. I'll hear people, yeah, dude, like india, I can only imagine. Or I'll hear people that have deployed to like these different third world countries and stuff with the military talking about like bro the stuff where you know I mean, their problems are not like our problems bro yeah, so I can only imagine india, dude, that's crazy.
Career Choices and Financial Realities
Speaker 2Were you in the military? I was, dude, I was, I'm not, I'm not anymore, but uh, I was, I was in the air force. Um, yeah, bro, no, I'm out now, but uh, I never had to go anywhere crazy, I know I don't have any cool stories like that, like deployments, nothing. I had a super cake ass career, mine was super easy. But uh, yeah, no, I was, I was in. Uh, I was in the air force. Wow, yeah, bro, but um, but yeah, just along to your point, I remember people saying that same thing about they would visit you know x country, whatever, and they come back like, oh shit, dude, that's country, whatever, and they come back like oh shit, dude, that's not the same bro.
Speaker 1Like yeah, man, if I was the man I am now when I was in my early 20s, I definitely would have joined the military.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially with all the debt I have now from college that I will probably never pay off bro, I feel you, I feel, I feel that dude, but uh, man, it's, it's not a bad, it's not a bad choice, dude, you know, because there's a lot of people don't don't realize like man, you can have a normal ass job in the military.
Speaker 2You know what I mean. Like you don't have to, you don't have to be fucking Rambo. You know that they have jobs like that, you know. But I mean I know chefs, I know mechanics, I know teachers, I know nurses, doctors, I mean you name it whatever. Just you could have the most, not what you think of when you think of a military job and do it, you know. So I always encourage anybody who's interested for whatever, whether it's financial benefits, whatever, like if I had a kid that was interested, I'd be like shit man any more between that and college. You know, set yourself up financially first, but it's not a bad option, you know you don't have to. You don't have to go have some crazy ass job. You know you can do lots of normal stuff in the military and get the same benefits, bro.
Speaker 1If you don't and you're just growing up as an average American, it's kind of like you almost got two choices like go to university, get an extreme debt for probably the rest of your life, or get, or get a factory job.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's especially like you said in Ohio, man. That's the three options. Right Military debt from school factory jobs you know, bro, and yeah, factory jobs, you know.
Speaker 1yeah, bro, and yeah, I'll definitely have their pros and cons, you know but yeah, I don't know, I was scared to join the military because I was scared that, like they would manipulate me, they would traumatize me and I wouldn't, and I wouldn't be able to like, conform to the rigorous structure of the military yeah, oh, hey, oh, hey, man, that's another thing.
Speaker 2I also joined a little later too, like I'm not later, I was young, so I was like 22 when I joined, which I think was good for me, as opposed to 18, fresh out of high school. Because you'll, you'll meet plenty of people exactly like you explained, man. You'll meet dudes that are they haven't been an adult outside of the military, you know, so they're just fucking robot weirdos, you know. And then other people that aren't like that at all, you know, but, um no, it definitely, definitely happens. Yeah, like what you're, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1is that? Is that a justified fear?
Speaker 2it's a very justified fear.
Speaker 1No, I get it bro I get it.
Speaker 2How crazy was that? As you said, that there's just a huge american black in the background. I'm like I'm dropping subliminal messages recruiting you. That's the only reason I got on this podcast I'm like oh it's crazy. You're interested. You said huh yeah I, I know, I know a number you can call right now.
Speaker 1They'll sign you up tonight, it's crazy, but I guess if you go in at 22, you're a little bit more solidified in your adult sense of self.
Speaker 2Exactly, bro. Exactly Because, yeah see, I did things kind of fucking ass backwards too, because I went to school first like college and then joined the military. So I got, uh, like college and then joined the military. So I got, I got my bachelor's and then joined the military, and it's not like it used to now. If you join the military, once you get out, any schooling you do is free. Right, it used to be any prior debt you had, they would pay it off once you join. It's not like that anymore. Now it's so if you have a it's like right now all your school debt, if you were to join the military, they wouldn't pay it off. No shit, any future schooling you want to do, they would. But so, yeah, I'm a dummy, so I did the military and I still have a shitload of college oh no, yeah, dude so right, so fuck me man.
Speaker 2But uh, yeah, so you know, honestly, I I wouldn't listen to me you know I mean, like I said, I did a full term in the military and I have a shitload of student debt, so I don't know how the fuck that works out, but I did it, you know do you, do you get like money now every month or anything?
Speaker 2Yeah, there's like little, lots of like benefits and stuff, which is which is nice too, because I didn't retire from the military Right, If you retire, you're fucking set up for life, like that. They'll pay you out monthly forever. But if you just join, finish your your term and then separate, which is what I did there is ways you can get like paid and like certain different this and that, like benefits and medical and stuff and this and that. But no, I definitely I get a lot of help like medically, just from like. There's ways you can get like health care and stuff through the base you were at and like VA. They call it like veteran assistant, so like with health insurance and lots of stuff like that.
Speaker 1they they help out, which is a huge thing in America, Right? One of the one of the best things about Taiwan is we have socialized healthcare, and so I think my work and I we pay like $12 a month for health care and then, anytime I need. If I go to the dentist, like five dollars, bro, or yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2That's fucking wild man, that right, there is enough reason you know what I mean that's crazy. But yeah, dude, it's. It's one of those things, man, where, yeah, jesus christ, dude, in california, it's like like any decent plan is like five, six hundred bucks, bro. It's like a month, yeah, yeah, yeah, a month for like, wow, you can do cheaper ones that are like the deduct, you know, I mean, it's like you might as well not even have it at that point kind of thing, but that's a lot man, it's rough bro it's right, but, like I said, luckily I I'm fortunate.
Speaker 2There's one huge thing that I'm with the military and whatever that's. One of the benefits is I have that through the military and stuff. So stuff like that is amazing. But yeah, I don't know how people do it, man, people that just live out here and I'm like it's such a crazy amount to just pay monthly for.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's nuts bro people just become cogs in the wheel. I don't know my little brother's awesome. I think he's 22 or 23, but he's just a workaholic, I don't know. I feel like that's kind of like what you have to do if you want to survive or be ahead in America yeah, nah, for sure, man it's.
Speaker 2it sucks, man, that when people, especially if they're doing something that they don't like you know what I'm saying like it's so many people like I forget what I've just seen there was like a poll of people that are either like unhappily employed or basically like do you like your job? And like the percentage was like insane of how many people have had the same job for years and years that they fucking hate and they just do it till they die in the U S, yes, yes, yes U S, yeah, it's like I mean again, I offered no statistics or whatever.
Speaker 2I'm like yeah, some studies said a bunch of people. I mean I don't remember. I mean, take it with a grain of salt. One of my one of my friends probably said it once at a bar and I started remembering but uh, no, I don't know. But uh, yeah, I mean, I believe it, dude, just from. Like, I mean just people. I know in my life that there's so many people that fucking hate what they do. Like it's just. Yeah, like you said, cogs in the wheel, it fucking sucks man.
Speaker 1Yeah, I heard some interesting statistics the other day about diabetes, obesity and dementia rates in the US which are like fuck. I think diabetes type 2 is up to like 50% in the US.
Speaker 2Goddamn dude, that's insane. I mean, fuck, I believe it, bro, because, like yeah dude, which one I know, I don't know. I'm sure some doctor is gonna watch this and be like bro, shut the fuck up, dude, you don't know what the heck right, right, rightfully so I'm over here. But uh, one of them I'm pretty sure is you're born with type one, type two and then the other is like you acquire it through life type one you're born with and type two you can develop and also reverse.
Speaker 1I think I have quite a few family members that have type 2, which is crazy, because if you were to change your lifestyle, you can totally undo it.
Speaker 2That's fucking insane. Okay, yeah, yeah, bro, that's nuts.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think obesity rates are up to like 70% in the US. I believe it. It's crazy Are people as big in california as they are in ohio?
Speaker 2um, maybe not. No, I'm actually gonna say no, not like far off, not like drastically different, but I would say on average. Yeah, no, there's a lot more like hippie dippy people out here. You know what I mean. I feel like a lot of times like they tend to be less fat, you know there's. I'm not saying there isn't fat hippies, but like there's less. I would say less on average and okay, I'll, I'll accredit this to this too. I feel like, overall, people are a little more active out here also. Just, I think that probably plays a bigger role because like, yeah, you know, there isn't not snowed in six months out of the year 100. We're, by water seafood's a lot more popular seafood you know, I never ate seafood growing up never yeah, bro, I mean where?
Speaker 2where would we get it? You know it's expensive as shit. I might have to edit this out um, but are hippies?
Speaker 1are most hippies woke, or are these two separate like subgroups in american culture?
Speaker 2all right, all right, dude we're going in so. All right, so I think there's a big difference. Okay, so to me, a true hippie is the fucking man, like someone that travels with the Grateful Dead right, something like that. That's like a real fucking yeah dude, like someone who like genuinely, is just a caring person that doesn't give a fuck about like a lot of social norms, whatever you want to call it, and it's just like down for the fucking cause. That's my, this is my definition of like a real.
Speaker 2And then there's like a person who's like looking for validation that they are on like the right side of the. You know what I'm saying Like, whereas, like I guess I'm basically defining the difference between a hippie and a hipster. There's a lot of there's a lot of hipsters in California it's like the bourgeoisie right. Yes, yes, like there's. There's a lot of hipster, like a lot of like people that are probably total assholes in their private lives, but they like wear burkas, so they're fucking you know, you know, I mean like I don't know, like people like that, like yeah, not all people, obviously, but I would say that would be my definition of like I think hippies are cool.
Speaker 2Hipsters are kind of dorks.
Speaker 1Yeah. You know, what I'm saying Like so are the hipsters? Are the hipsters woke? Are these still? I think I know what you mean. Like? Hipsters are like dressing nice, they have strong opinions. They're vegan, yes, which we should talk about at some point, and they're self-righteous. You know not to be condescending, but I feel like they are condescending.
Speaker 2Yes, no, that's not. Yeah, you nailed it. I think that's like a good description of like I don't know, because I do know like hippies, and like older people too, that are like legit, just old school hippies and they're nice as fuck and like, if something's like different from them, they're like, oh, right on, like that's cool. You know what I mean? That's not my thing, but that's really cool, whereas like hipsters will like bash the fuck out of anyone that's different, which is the least hippie possible thing, you know.
Speaker 1I mean that's the least hippie thing you can do, like these are two extremes in the wrong and opposite directions.
Speaker 2Huh yes, yes, yes, yeah. I don't know, man, but it's a good question though yeah, um, that's a good segue actually.
Navigating Health and Dietary Choices
Speaker 1Yeah, what do you? This is uh related, but not vegan. So the last two people I interviewed on my podcast were all diehard vegans and I've been like one. One of the guys claimed I've been manipulated by paul saladino and joe rogan. I was like it's possible. I do listen to him a lot. Yes, bro, I've been convinced of the carnivore diet and I I feel like I I haven't eaten vegetables and fruit and shit, but like I don't see how you could possibly eat too, like I don't see how you could possibly eat too much meat. I don't see how you could possibly have too much protein.
Speaker 2So, dude, I love meat, I eat a ton of it. I love seafood, eggs meat, you name it right.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Are you ready for a fucking?
Speaker 2bomb drop of a statement. Yes, I was vegan for a while, just to try it. I like to not like I wasn't like a moral, but you know, I mean it wasn't like that, but I was like I want to see, especially when it was like really popping off in like 2016, 20 I feel like that was when it was real. I was like, oh, you know what, fuck it all right. And I did it for a while, man, just to see, like, athletically, how I felt and just because I was curious. You know, yeah and uh, yeah, I think it can be done, right for sure. However, like I said, I felt fine when I was on it, you know, but I'm not gonna act like it's not way easier to feel energetic and build muscle and not on a vegan.
Speaker 2you know I what I mean. Like it's, I don't think if you're a vegan you have to feel terrible. However, I noticed pretty significant body changes quick after going back to eating meat. Like I feel like I just like leaned out and got like naturally stronger and really right yeah, when I went back to eating meat.
Speaker 1Yeah, right.
Speaker 2Right, but, like I said, that's just me, I don't know. Some people make it work, you know, but uh, yeah, I don't, yeah, it's you know, to each their own.
Speaker 1Like I can't, like I said, I I literally did for a bit, so I can't knock people, but like um, I've been doing it on and off, I get on and off until like eight years ago, and then I just like was like no, this isn't for me.
Speaker 2Yeah bro, dude, I just that, that's exactly what it came down to, you know, because I think the reason I bailed on it too is because I wasn't morally tied to you know. I mean, if I was like a hardcore vegan or whatever, like who you talk to, then I probably wouldn't have, you know. But like, it was super easy for me to be like okay, I'm done with this, I want to go back to eat meat, just because I don't, because I want to. You know what I mean like there was no, like, you know, and I was never. I kind of just wanted to try it, you know, and I did, um, but I don't know, I guess it's a lot of work, right? Yeah, it was more work, man. And then I'm just going to admit it, man, the social side of it was the hardest thing, dude, because, like, really Like, yeah, bro, when it comes to Because, no matter, because my thing too, when I was doing it right, is, I was like, dude, I don't want people to like I was, I like didn't want people to know.
Speaker 1So I was like, I just want to eat my thing, Bro, dude legit closet.
Speaker 2Because I was like because, dude, there's nothing worse than like when I would go to like someone's house to eat and they would like feel obligated to like cook this. I just made me feel fucking weird, like I'm being fucking.
Speaker 1You know what I mean.
Speaker 2Like I'm being this like know, I mean like I'm being this like needy fucking asshole, um, and I hated that feeling and that was enough for me to be like, ah, fuck this dude, I'm not doing this anymore. But, um, but yeah, it's uh, I don't know, it's an interesting thing, but I I'm interested too to see if it's kind of like, uh, something that'll die down. I feel like it already has died down a lot, because I mean at least in my opinion, I guess depends on the places, but in from like 2016 to like 2019, I feel like it was very low, kind of the opposite. Now I feel like all you hear is like you carnivoree, right, it's like. That is like so, so great for like all the things like masculinity, building this and that right, like all these things. I used to hear kind of the opposite when the whole vegan diet was coming about first, and then now the whole script is flipped.
Speaker 1It's like even my mom, even my mom, she's like I think I need to eat more meat Now I actually know it's good for me.
Speaker 2Yeah, right, right, and it was just just. Uh, that's kind of how everyone thought, right, like not even that long ago, like even in. I remember hearing how you know, a vegan diet was going to be better for testosterone, it's cleaner, this and that it's gonna, you're gonna have less fat in your vein. You know all these different things, right. And then fast forward two years. It couldn't be more the opposite. They're like a vegan diet is gonna raise your estrogen levels, a lack of b vitamins and meat, this and that, like, or what you're lacking when you don't eat meat. All this stuff, right, so I just do. Navigating health and diet is just fucking hard, bro, because you go one place and they say one thing, yeah, and then you go another and it couldn't be more opposite, like dependent on your source, and that fucking sucks. I wish everywhere was just honest.
Speaker 1You know what I mean.
Speaker 2Like I wish they were like hey, man, this this is the way to do it right, or this isn't. But then again, I don't know, Maybe that's that's just not realistic, because everyone's different.
Speaker 1We also all have different body types, lifestyles and shit. What was I about to say? But, oh man, there's, yeah, there's so many arguments from each side. But, yeah, something I've noticed with vegans and I don't like to be condescending because I don't like condescending people, but something I've been, I've been like focusing on lately- is like hormones and testosterone and like the effects of food and plastics on like raising our estrogen levels or decreasing our testosterone levels.
Speaker 1Strict vegans, man, they're skinny, they might be a little shredded and defined, but they're skinny and to me they appear to be demasculated. And there was, I heard, a really interesting percentage about americans. I can't remember what it was, but it's like the more visceral fat you have, the more estrogen your body produces and the lower your testosterone goes. So in america I guess like it's a high percentage of men that are sort of demasculated from really heightened levels of estrogen. And then there's like microplastics in our blood, in our brain and our food and that is also promoting like an increase in estrogen jesus christ.
Speaker 2That's terrifying first off, but I know yeah, man, it's like fuck dude, I don't even know, man, because then you hear stuff like that that I've also heard a lot, too, about microplastics and it's like I mean, how do you fucking stop that?
Balancing Diet and Addictions
Speaker 1you know what I mean, if it's, I've been trying to stop, I'm I'm like, but I'm addicted to sparkling water and I ran out of co2, so I keep going to buy a bottle of sparkling water I'm like I'm looking at I'm looking at it like man. I got a problem. Dude, you're fucking addicted sparkling water bro, I get it.
Speaker 2Man, there's just some. Fuck bro, there's some there's like sometimes, when you know all right, like I understand this might not be ideal for me, but fuck, it's gonna make me happy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1You know what I mean. That's a, that's a tough thing to navigate.
Speaker 2Bro. I drink too much coffee, dude. I know that to the point that if I don't have coffee I got like a headache and shit.
Speaker 2That's like really textbook addiction yeah, for sure, like if you need, if you need something to not feel like shit, right, and I just keep drinking coffee, and it's been years. You know what I mean. It's like you know one of those things. Or you know, fucking, I'm like super strict with my diet and I watch my food, and then you know, I won't even think about something that's I don't even know. Like I'm trying to think of an example, like I'll, you know, I'll be super strict with my diet, watch my food, this and that, and then I'll fucking smoke a joint with a Bic lighter. That you know what I mean. It's probably just outdid everything I did. You know what I mean? It's fucking horrible. Let's see what you mean.
Speaker 1Like I got trained really hard. I'll do a good running, do a good cardio session, good weights. Come home and then cook dinner and then have, and then have like a couple of drinks, and then I'm like, am I just canceling everything out?
Speaker 2Exactly Right, Right when it's like fuck man, I don't know it's. It's tough man, but as long as you're in the upper percentile of trying to put decent shit in your body, it's still more than most.
Speaker 2That's what I'm saying, man. You one's gonna be a hundred percent. And it's like, especially in today's world, where it's not even necessarily about what you choose to put in your body, it's just like what's in there, like you know, because you can make a bunch of health conscious decisions vegetables, fruits, this and that lean meats and it's shit that's pumped with fucking microplastics, hormone, whatever it is, you know whatever chemical that you didn't put in. You just bought some shit that you were like, oh, this is healthy. And it's like, fuck man, it's kind of the world we live in.
Speaker 1It's unfortunate, it's a bitch, but when I, just when I just went home to ohio in august, it seemed like fruits and vegetables aren't even super normal common delicacy, yeah I don't out here in taiwan like you drive around on your scooter and there's just like fruit markets and vegetables on the side of the street and it might just be my lifestyle, but I feel like I feel like the locals do it too. I feel like it's just really common to go grab fresh fruits and vegetables on a daily basis.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, dude, that's a good point, because I guess when I say things are pumped into our food, I guess I'm talking about American food, because I can't imagine it's the same in Taiwan, or you know, I've heard a few different people talk about on like different podcasts and stuff talk about foods that we deem unhealthy but you eat them in other countries and you just don't gain weight because not pumped with, like. I've heard I forget what fighter or someone was talking about eating pasta daily in italy. Yeah, was it joe rogan?
Speaker 1was it joe rogan? He talks about that often how he doesn't feel like shit over there because it's the the noodles are like closer to their natural state as to where in the us they like high, they process them, they're highly processed, I'm sure.
Speaker 2I'm sure with him, um that, yeah, bro, where it's like just different places, don't add so much bullshit to it. So it's not even the food itself, it's the additives that they're just putting everything in. The fucking us.
Speaker 1That fucks us over man but time, yeah, I think europe only allows like there's like 400 different chemicals, whether they be herbicides, pesticides or preservatives or something, but america allows like 2000 and I don't know. These are some numbers I was hearing on a recent podcast.
Speaker 2It's pretty yeah, dude, that I'm sure dude, america's like fuck it fuck it, let them all in so what kind?
Speaker 1of what kind of? What do you do for a diet like, what do you eat?
Speaker 2dude. I keep it simple. So my girlfriend is, uh, filipina, so I I, yeah. So I eat white rice like three times a day, right. So for breakfast, I keep it simple. You know, I'll cook up some eggs, some white rice, um, and just maybe like a side of meat with it. She always dices up little tomatoes with it, Um, and I'm pretty boring man. And then lunch, same thing. I eat a lot of rice, meat, veggies, fruits, uh, you know, maybe I'll switch it up for potatoes or something, throw in some sour I like sourdough bread a lot, but overall, nothing overly uh, complicated or even like calculated. I'm not like a count my macros, yeah, I'm not. No, yeah, I'm not that type of dude at all. I just, you know, I look plate by plate, try and make it relatively balanced and, if I like the taste, eat some good stuff, and there's pretty much always going to be white rice with it.
Speaker 1Due to my circumstance, uh did you tell her you were meeting with a guy from taiwan. What did you say? Did you tell her you were meeting with a guy from taiwan?
Speaker 2no, I, I definitely will as soon as we're done philippines is the closest country to taiwan.
Dietitian Consultation and Weight Cutting
Speaker 1Oh, is it really? It's extremely close. We have so many filipino people here so many. Okay, yeah, I will absolutely tell it. We kind of call it the Mexico of Asia, bro that's what I always say, too, man. But even the last names, it's all like you know. Fernandez Ramos, they're like Asian, but they have a Spanish accent. It's crazy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's crazy, bro, but yeah, she was born in the Philippines and then she was like two and she lived her whole life in Guam. Like she grew up on Guam, Whoa yeah and then moved to the States like five or six years ago for work Wow. But yeah, man, lots of white rice, so do you work yeah.
Speaker 1Have you ever heard of purple rice?
Speaker 2Yes, yes, the bomb, it is the bomb it is, bro, I'm dude, like don't get me wrong, I make it sound like I don't fucking love filipino food. Dude, I do, I will do you fucking name it, dude. Uh, longanisa, chicken, adobo, adobo, casino, uh, dude, fucking everything. A whole filipino breakfast is so fucking good man. What's a filipino breakfast? The? So I just kind of just like a blanket turn like it's. They have a lot of like breakfast meats that they're all like sweet and kind of spicy and it's just good man. They're just in these like real specific, uh, like marinades and stuff. Like little sausages are called lunganisa and then tocino is like a sweet chicken, um, and then just some eggs and rice. Pretty simple man. But wow, good dude. And I've heard taiwanese food's pretty good too.
Speaker 1Yeah, no it's not at all oh for real? I don't think so oh, they're so. Well, it's kind of like it's like really bland and like white rice, lots of white rice, yep, all right.
Speaker 2That checks out, that checks out.
Speaker 1And it depends on what you eat. But I'm so strict and regimented on what I eat that I don't eat any of the local food. So I'm scared of like vegetable oils and a lot of it's really heavy and like rice or noodles. A grand. Their vegetables are just like boiled vegetables. It's kind of boring.
Speaker 2Yeah, I guess people eat dumplings.
Speaker 1Dumplings are pretty common. Yeah, beef noodles is pretty common. And oh, okay, yesterday at work our boss buys us these lunch boxes called bien dan and this is like the most simplest, traditional, cheapest food. It's like two dollars fifty cents, but it's like a thing a huge white rice with tea eggs, which is eggs that are boiled in like black tea, and then like a piece of fried pork, and then like three different weird mixtures of vegetables. But to me it's so unpredictable and then, like I just try to avoid fried food like it's the plague, unless it's like, yeah, a friday or saturday night, you know, and I'm, I'm having fun, then I'll do it no, you got to man, yeah, I, I get it man.
Speaker 2Um, yeah, that does sound like the most random meal I've ever heard, but um, so I just don't eat it yeah that's fair. Yeah, um, but yeah no, I a lot of white rice so you've never fought for ufc.
Speaker 1You fight for the fight pass, which is the ufc's channel tv channel.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, yes, yes, so it, yes, yeah yeah, yeah, their tv channel, like this upcoming fight is going to be aired on ufc fight, pass um and yeah. So different promotions.
Speaker 2I fought for bellator a1 combat and, uh, this would be my second fight for cage warriors, it's called, but I've kind of bounced around man trying, trying to, trying to find my home. You know, yeah, that's cool, that's exciting. Yeah, dude, I'm like a little, a little orphan fight, trying to find somewhere that'll let me, let me stick around, but no, it's been good man. Yeah, fucking, I'm excited bro.
Speaker 1Have you ever worked with like a nutritionist or a dietician because you have to like, cut weight and get ready for fights and stuff like that yes, I actually.
Speaker 2Yes, I linked up with one uh dietitian um last in my last fight camp, um leading up to, yeah, my weight cut. It was a dude, he's an australian guy.
Speaker 2Um, it was all virtual, but I had to go get like a body scan and do like blood tests and that kind of stuff prior, um, yeah, you had to yeah like, if he wanted, he wanted like a full, like a dexa scan they call it so like I've heard of my exact bone density, fat density, weight, water, like like crazy specific, like everything down to like the muscle in my legs versus the how much fat I carry in my legs compared to my stomach, my chest, arms, whatever, and it was like super scientific. That way he could like tailor it and it was cool. Man, it was cool. You had to do this or you chose to do it. The no, that was one of his prerequisites was uh, yeah, he, that was one of his prerequisites was yeah, he like he wanted a DEXA scan to build my plan, like to make it as specific, which he said sets, you know, sets them apart, which I believe you know, because no, I mean, did you have to meet with him for?
Speaker 1the organization or was it your own? That was my own accord.
Speaker 2Yeah, I got you All good, yeah, he no, no, no, yeah, I reached out to him cause I've done a bunch without a dietician. And then, uh, this last one I did, um, yeah, man, it was cool. He's really good at what he does. You know, uh, why did you want a dietician? I kind of wanted to just just try it, you know, cause cuts without one and I figured fuck it just. You know, see, to gauge performance, you know, like, if it did make a difference if the weight cut was easier, harder my own personal opinions on it. Um, and yeah, it was cool, man, it was cool to. You know, kind of talk to a professional about it.
Speaker 2You know, um, because losing weight is easy, or in terms of, uh, like, complication, wise, right, like, like it's not confusing how to lose weight, but trying to lose weight and perform optimally at the same time. That's where that's where it can get tricky. You know, um, because anybody, you know you ask anyone, like, how do you lose 20 pounds in a month? Oh, you just fucking work out a lot more and eat a lot less. You know what I mean. It's not like I complicated, but losing weight while trying to be a professional athlete, you know, and performing the night you need to perform that.
Speaker 2That's a, that's, you know, a balance, um, but no, it was a cool experience. Man, working with the dietitian Um, it was cool and I learned a lot. However, it wasn't so far off of kind of like what I was naturally doing already. You know what I mean. So I'm really happy that I talked to him and, you know, hired him for a camp and it was awesome and he was he's amazing at what he did. However, yeah, I think it's kind of one of those things where, if you do it a time or two, you at least kind of gauge what to do from there on out and you can kind of scope it yourself.
Speaker 1You know what I'm saying yeah, so you kind of at least learn that you are already on the right path and doing the right things, but you learn the science behind it exactly learn the science behind it, and there absolutely was things that he showed me that I wouldn't have ever done on my own.
Speaker 2So that is, I absolutely learned a lot. I'm not going to pretend to be even close to a dietitian whatsoever. However, the grand scheme of things, I was on the right path. At least you know what I mean. Yeah, but no, that was cool.
Speaker 1Yeah, what was the right path that you were on? That he assured you like in terms of like the food that you were eating for each meal.
Speaker 2In terms of like the food that you were eating, for each meal. Yeah, it was very. His big thing was like balance, you know, like there wasn't. There wasn't ever meals that there wasn't carbs or there wasn't protein or there wasn't. You know, there was no like meals where it was all protein and veggies and it basically the science was pretty simple, man. It was like have one complex carb, some colors, some lean meat, pretty much.
Speaker 2You know you want meat, not fatty meat uh, I could rephrase that lean meat most of the time, depending if you just had like a real hard workout, maybe it was like some fattier meat, or different times of the day, or if you're eating a bigger breakfast for a later day or a later workout in the day or whatever. Like he kind of would change it. But um, usually lean meats, especially if you're trying, if your goal is to lose weight, if you just want to be like optimal health, definitely work in some fattier meats too, but if you're trying to, like you know, if you have a very specific goal of making a certain weight on a date, you know that that's a different thing, right right, this is very outcome driven, so lean eats like chicken and eggs.
Speaker 1Is that about it?
Speaker 2chicken eggs, fish. Um, I've eaten lots of beef too, lots of lots of beef, um, like leaner ground beef, uh, bison I was working in lots of bison. Man, we can't get bison in taiwan.
Speaker 1Oh no, last last time I went home I went to a restaurant and it said add two dollars and you can change the beef patty on your burger to bison or elk. And I was like fuck, I've never had bison or elk.
Speaker 2This is awesome, oh shit yeah, bison bison's one of my go-tos, bro. I like, wow, I actually really enjoy bison bison. I've had elk before a handful of times, but bison I eat regular just because I have it out here. But yeah, man, they'll sell it in packages just like ground beef, but it's ground bison it's good man yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2Um, you can make it so it tastes like I said you wouldn't know it wasn't a lean ground beef. And there's other times, like when you get it, especially when you get it made at restaurants, like a bison burger or something, you can usually tell like the difference.
Speaker 1Yeah, um between by gaming or what or?
Speaker 2just a different flavor, a little different flavor in like. So you know how, with beef, there's like. Trying to describe like there's, it's gonna sound gross the way I describe it, but not in a gross way, but beef will leave like just the slightest film in your mouth, right, like, I think, just from maybe like a slightly higher fat content or something. But there's something there. Bison doesn't have that, so it's leaner. Yes, bison is naturally leaner, I know that, but if if they're both ground, it's tough to tell the difference.
Speaker 1In my opinion, like ground beef and bison now a bison steak definitely has different flavor from just a classic steak, for sure. Wow, yeah, and I said maybe I'd be willing to change my entire life just to have access to bison meat oh damn dude, yeah bro, yeah, no, it's good bro. Yeah, they sell like bison steaks out here and stuff, and they're good man damn that's awesome yeah yeah, yep, so uh, the dietician was basically like eat lean meats, as like you just said, did he like uh?
Speaker 2so he probably said cut down on carbs, increase your protein count, basically yeah, especially closer to the fight, you started to whittle down carbs, you know. But um, but in terms of like long term man, I eat a bunch of carbs just because I mean I'm training two, three times a day. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Where it's like yeah, bro, you know so it's.
Speaker 2If I didn't eat a lot of carbs, I would fucking suck you know what I mean yeah, to be honest, you know. So it's like, um, it really just depends on the goal. You know, if I was not fighting, just trying to like lean out, then sure, like cut back on the carbs, right, but yeah, um, but no man for my. Just my day-to-day how I live, I, I carb up like crazy man yeah do you work?
Speaker 2do you work a job? No, bro, this is what I do, man, uh, I mean I do work. I work at the gym and coach classes and that's like my nah, man, that's this is what I do, dude, just you're at the gym all day, every day all day, every day, bro my girlfriend hates her that's awesome.
Speaker 1Not that she hates you, but that's your answer.
Performance Enhancing Supplements and Vitamin Drips
Speaker 2That's fucking awesome, no, man, but it's great, dude. That's why, like I said, I I had the. I got the best life in the world. Man, I can't, I really do, and I fucking mean that shit too, dude. I know people say that, but I get to wake up and just fucking have fun with my friends and get paid. You know, I mean it's people. People don't get that, or people don't get that, or people aren't fortunate enough to be in a circumstance where they can do that and luckily I am, and so, uh, yeah, it's a crazy life, bro, but it's it's fun, dude, just like I said, waking up every day, training, doing what I love, having fun with my friends traveling all around for fights. You know, love having fun with my friends traveling all around for fights. You know, I was just in chicago for a fight. We go fight kind of everywhere. Man fought in tennessee, nevada, hawaii, all parts of california. We're always traveling all around man. So it's it's fucking. It's cool, dude. It's cool. That sounds awesome, yeah man yeah, wow, it's been.
Speaker 2It's been a fun ride.
Speaker 1Do you take vitamins and supplements? I do dude.
Speaker 2So I take steroids? No, I'm kidding. There's an incoming call right now from Cage Warriors. They're like drum test this guy. No, I'm not on shit, I'm fucking. Six, three, 170 pounds if I was on roids.
Speaker 1I'm on the worst.
Speaker 2Yeah, dude, if I was on roids, I'm on the worst fucking roids in the world. Um, no, dude. And in uh terms of supplements, I take pretty basic man. I take creatine, I take uh, take creatine monohydrate. I do creatine monohydrate um, I'm trying to, for ones I take daily religiously, is creatine monohydrate uh, nad plus ah that's like anti-aging.
Speaker 2Right, it is, bro, it is, it is. I've been big on that the past year and uh, there's actually take that. And then there's a, a brand I like called heart and soil, um, where it's essentially just a bunch of like ground up, uh, like organs, liver, spleen, nice, uh, bone cartilage, just different stuff that you don't typically eat, that has like a ton of nutrients for, like, your joints and shit, right, and yeah, naturally occurring peptides like um, not like synthetic one, but you know, I'm saying like just stuff that's in beef organs, this and that, um, and I take that. So pretty much those are the three that I take daily is uh, yeah, nad plus creatine monohydrate, and then, uh, one that's called a heart and soil.
Speaker 1Heart and soil. I'm going to look that up. Yeah, I'm always doing. Uh, that's.
Speaker 1one cool thing about Taiwan is we have street vendors and you go up and they just got like gallbladders and liver oh intestines and chicken butt and all kinds of weird shit that's why, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I go, I go to the butcher and get tendon and bone marrow regularly and then I just have my crock pot on like 24 7 and I'm just constantly extracting collagen peptides from the bones and then I always have like some uh jugs of bone broth in the fridge. Damn dude, that's cool that shit's got everything you fucking need, man bone broth loaded with amino acids, protein collagen every type of collagen, plus electrolytes. Man, I love having it in the fridge at all times fuck dude, that's.
Speaker 2That's amazing, actually. You know that's basically a raw natural form of probably you know similar shit. You know where? I'm just getting a powdered, more bullshit version of it.
Speaker 1But I'm a huge advocate for collagen. But like I just don't trust the pills and the powders. And I sometimes, sometimes it says it's type one or type three or type five, but it's just like how do I trust you? How do I know you're telling the truth? Exactly, yeah, I get it five. But it's just like how do I trust you? How do I know you're?
Speaker 2telling the truth exactly. Yeah, I get it, but, um, but, yeah, I'd say this is pretty much the three that I take religiously nad.
Speaker 1You're in california so you can just go do. I had a layover in la and I saw a place where you can get vitamin drips and nad drips.
Speaker 2You ever do that yeah, I get, I get the good stuff bro yeah, man, yeah bro, I'll hit up, there's a, there's a lady out near me, blanca.
Speaker 2Uh, she uh super nice, super, super cool lady. But yeah, she's like, uh, basically, it's like a mobile business of just what you said, like she'll set up like tents at different gyms and this and that, but she runs out of her house and yeah, dude, I'll just like cruise over there and I'll get like an nad drip, I'll I'll get a different like cocktail, like vitamin cocktails, and yeah, dude, those are the real deal. Man, it's crazy how you can feel going in there like wanting to go to sleep, and then you leave and you're like feel like you just are like in the best fucking mood, the most like energetic, but like a sustainable energy, not like I'm jittery from fucking caffeine, I mean, you just feel like like good, you know what I mean. Um wow do you?
Speaker 1think that's more from the nad, or like the vitamin cocktail they're kind of different.
Speaker 2so nad is, you'll feel pretty strongly like there's times like you can get too much. It'll make you like woozy and shit, like it's like definitely, like uh, you feel that one for sure. Um, in terms of like the, the alertness, and I'll literally feel my brain, excuse me, I'll literally feel my brain operating on like higher cylinders. When I get, uh, when I'm like fresh off of an NAD drip, like night and day, like leaving that place, like driving home, I'll just feel like I'm like noticing shit real quick, like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like my brain, yeah, my brain, I noticed like even like I'll be like listening to a song on the way home and it'll be a song that I like know like one of my songs, right, and I'll be listening to it and I feel like I could just sing the whole song like boom, boom, off of memory. Whereas normally.
Speaker 2I couldn't. You know what I mean like things like that. You'll notice with NAD, but I know it's like physically. For me I noticed the biggest like cognitively with nad and then with like the vitamin drips is like physically, where you feel like you're like aches and pains and are like gone and you just feel like physically you feel like good, you know what I mean. Like strong, very hydrated. You know what I mean, um, but the thing's called the meyers cocktail is like like just your basic I'd have to look it up but basic vitamins, you know what I mean just like a big cocktail of vitamins that are supposed to be good for you, that I've had that one a few times that makes you feel good. They call that one like the ant hangover. That's the one where I think it's called a meyers cocktail is like you can go in super hung. That's the one where I think it's called a Myers cocktail is like you can go in super hungover and you get that IV drip and it's like you're just not hungover, damn.
Speaker 1I've heard Dave Chappelle talk about that.
Regenerative Therapies and Legal Limitations
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah. So it's basically that it's like all the shit that alcohol sucks out of your body Myers cocktail puts back in, but I've only had that once or twice. But the, the NAD, I'm a pretty regular on, Do you think it?
Speaker 1do you think like taking it orally works?
Speaker 2So I've been. The only thing is the injections are amazing, right, or the drips, whatever are amazing. However, it's just so fucking expensive, right? So I was looking to yeah, it's just so fucking expensive, right? So I was looking too. Yeah bro, it's expensive, bro, how much is it?
Speaker 2it was like it's like 350 for a drip, wow, wow and they say that's good for like three weeks to a month, right. So I mean, it's not. It just depends, I guess, your priorities. But that's a lot of money, man. But, um, I this is again my own fucking bro science, research. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but looking up, from looking up stuff online, um, I've heard orally it's not nearly as effective. But there's this company it's like rho, like row, as I said, they do like liposomal, uh, nad, which is like layman's terms, which is all I know. It's like, basically you, you take it orally, right, it's a liquid and you just take it back, but it's like in some type of fat cell or something somehow that. So basically it protects itself from your stomach acids, so you can take it orally and it's still, you get the same effects.
Speaker 1Makes sense Interesting. So it's kind of like protected in a fat, like a coconut oil type situation?
Speaker 2Yes, because it's a very oily substance and that stuff does it. Like I said, I take that regularly and I do feel good. However, I'm not going to act like it's half as strong as the drips, because the drip I'll. I'll feel, like I said, like very strongly, like towards the end of the drip I'm like holy fuck um, whereas the liposomal yeah, bro, it's worth it whereas the liposomal, I do think helps and I do think it works. However it's, it's not nearly as as strong as right in your veins, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah, my buddy talked me into buying some BPC one, 57 and the and the oral form and it was so fucking expensive. But he's like a marathon runner and he swore by it and I bought it and I was like man, I don't feel shit from. I thought I was, but I think it was just like placebo and then I was like I don't think.
Speaker 2I don't think B don't think dpc 157 can really be taken orally yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate man, because I that's another one too I've been hearing about recently you've never tried it I have not. Um, yeah it's. It's super, super dumb because, uh, it's like is it illegal in the us? Now I was gonna say no, no, I think it's legal in the us.
Speaker 2But drug test wise for fights yeah I want to say no, I'm not 100 positive, but I don't know if I have to question it. I don't take it, you know, but uh, just to be safe. But I'm pretty because I know like they have have a blanket thing over peptides where it's illegal. But I'd have to look it up because I would. It is interesting, it's cool to try. But I would like to try the injectable into your joints and stuff to heal the tendons. That would be cool 100%.
Speaker 1I've heard yeah, I twisted my ankle bad earlier this year. Like I was coming down the stairs and I was looking at my watch and I thought I was on the last step and my foot just went and like completely rolled it upside down. Um, so I started trying everything I could. I think I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna do prp for it. You ever heard of that? I haven't. Platelet, platelet, god. Platelet rich plasma. They like take your blood out and then set and then extract your plasma from your blood and then inject that into your injured area. I guess basketball players in the nba do it all the time.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's kind of fucking cool I think out here I can get it done for, like I don't know, like around two to three hundred dollars so really yeah, so I might give that a shot yeah yeah, let me know how that goes.
Speaker 2That, yeah, all of it, if you ever get that or any of the injection I just I love hearing about this stuff. It's interesting to me. Um, yeah, let me know how that goes. Let's, I haven't heard of that one. I've heard, like, obviously, nad I was just talking about, um, the bpc 157. I see all over online people talking about it. Um, never, never tried it, but uh, yeah, it's interesting. Man the pr, what prp?
Speaker 1yeah, it's called prp platinolent rich plasma.
Speaker 2I just wanted to hear you say it again. No, I'm about to get that first word right, yeah, yeah. No, it's interesting. No, prp, I'll have to look into that. Um, that's cool, but yeah, it's weird. The drug testing rules for sport, like I don't. Who like? For example? Like peptides, right, they, like I know, are a no-go right, like you're not're not allowed. But stem cells are cool. Really it's like bro, yeah, bro, which is awesome. But it's also like bro, stem cells, like you, literally are like regrowing new body.
Speaker 1You know what I mean. Like how is?
Speaker 2that which, again, I guess that's fucking dope and I would love to get some stem cells. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1Fuck yeah.
Speaker 2And I might, and I might in the future. However, it's just weird that that's cool, but like a peptide to like help heal a tendon or something is like no good. It's just weird.
Speaker 1I don't know who fucking rules but kind of serve the same purpose.
Speaker 2Right a peptide and a stem cell, you would think right from what I understand, like they're both healing affected areas.
Speaker 1You know what I mean, but um, so you can get stem cells in the us. They're just really expensive, is that right?
Speaker 2yes, and I think there's a limit, if I'm not mistaken on. You can get them in the us, but they can only give so many hundred, thousand or million. However, I don't know the like numbers, how it works, but it's something I know. If you go to Mexico or Colombia, you can get a fucking shitload, however much to cure whatever you have going on right there.
Speaker 1There's a legal limit in the US.
Speaker 2You're only allowed so many units, or whatever the fuck it is so many cells, whereas colombia and mexico don't have that, that cap, that limit. So that's why so many people like I know a ton of fighters that travel to mexico or to colombia just to knock it out at once, versus doing a bunch of sessions in the U S.
Speaker 1Yeah, rogan's always talking about going to Tijuana.
Speaker 2Yeah, exactly, tijuana is a big one. Uh, and then, yeah, columbia, I know, is another, another like hotspot for it. Is it like?
Speaker 1affordable if you go to Mexico or Columbia.
Speaker 2I, if I understand right. I think I mean it is very expensive, but I think it's similar to I don't. I think that's another reason so many people go, because I think I want to say it's like the similar pricing, to go and knock it out all at once in like mexico or columbia, like there's got to be some appeal. You know what I mean. Like girls, why would people fly all the way to columbia? You know, um, and and most people do, like I hear, like, like everyone in the ufc, I've heard this done, it has flown to I know a place in florida does it. I hear about little bits, but uh, mexico, yeah, tijuana specifically, and colombia the two I always, always hear about dang, I'm gonna have to make it down to mexico next time I come.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, dude, hey me and you both. Yeah, down, sick man. I think I might have to jump off here. But uh, I say we do this again. Oh, I'm down, bro, that's fun as hell. Yeah, I still had a lot more questions. We didn't even get to, uh yeah definitely want to follow you up about that. The fight that's coming you're going to fight, how you're getting ready all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2Right on, man, let's do it again, man All right man, I know it was a good one when I forgot we were even having a podcast, yeah for sure, for sure, hell yeah, man All right no-transcript.