Fragle Rok
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Fragle Rok
DJ Her, Techno, And The Red Crane Vision
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A riddle-like name becomes a compass. DJ Her—a tattoo artist—built a techno voice, launched DIY label Red Crane, and created talk-free “radio” sets for pure music. Boom-boom genre debate sharpens into process, ownership, and art’s energy.
From hip hop gigs to electronic production with MIDI and samples. Red Crane protects her sound, speeds releases, features allies—techno for crowds, house/breaks/D&B in the lab. Radio on SoundCloud/YouTube: sets only, via recording, syncing, quick AI-assisted promos.
Tattoos ground it: bold pieces blend feminine forms, myths, personal meaning—no darkness. Intentional cover-ups shed labels, rewrite stories, forge identities. Belief charges symbols, powering decks, needles, and self-built platforms.
一個聽起來像謎語的名字,變成指南針。我們跟 DJ Her 聊——她是刺青師,搞出 techno 聲音、開了 DIY 廠牌 Red Crane,還做無口水純音樂的「電台」。從 boom-boom 類型鬧著玩辯論,聊到創作過程、誰擁有作品、藝術的能量。
從早期的 hip hop 演出轉電子,用 MIDI 跟樣本做音樂。Red Crane 保護她的聲音、加快發片、找志同道合的人來出——現場推 techno,私下玩 house、breaks、drum & bass。電台在 SoundCloud 跟 YouTube:只播 set,錄音、同步、快速 AI 宣傳就搞定。
刺青是核心:她畫大膽大件的,混女性線條、神話符號、個人意義——不走黑暗風。有心的蓋刺不只新墨:能丟掉舊標籤、重寫人生故事、換新身份。信念會充能符號,它也反過來給你力氣,推動 decks、針頭,還有自己搭平台的決心。
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DJ Her:
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Red Crane:
https://www.instagram.com/redcrane_fm44.4?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==
Meet DJ Her And The Name Story
SPEAKER_03Alright ladies and gentlemen Tajanihaoaning episode two of Raggle Rock Night Live and today we have DJ Her. What's up, her? Hi you gotta use the microphone.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Don't break it.
SPEAKER_01Hi guys.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, what's up?
SPEAKER_04So if you guys listened to the last podcast, the music at the beginning and the end was from DJ Her. DJ Her Chen?
SPEAKER_00Her chen.
SPEAKER_04Her chen.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04What's your real name?
SPEAKER_00Her chen.
SPEAKER_04Her chen, isn't it? Chen hu.
SPEAKER_00Chen hu.
SPEAKER_04Chen her.
SPEAKER_02Pronunciation like her. So that's how I name my name.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but nobody in Taiwan can say her. Really?
SPEAKER_02What do you mean?
SPEAKER_04Because like the er sound is really hard for type, so everybody just calls you Xia. Shao Hu. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But some people call me her. That's it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's a good place to start. Ni. How did you get that name?
SPEAKER_02Which one?
SPEAKER_04Her. It's a very strange name.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because like it's just like I say, it's her. It's it's her in Taiwan, like in uh Mandarin. Then her. So I pronounce it like uh her. So I mean her could be like female.
SPEAKER_04So you really just took your family name and made an English name.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's really confusing to tell stories about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. But like her that like uh well so zong okay, so zong.
First Beats And Genre Choices
SPEAKER_04So you started a a trend. But I think it'll be more funny if we don't. By the way, your music you sent me was dope.
SPEAKER_02Oh, shit, shit. Oh shit. Oh yeah, you can quite say techno ma.
SPEAKER_04Techno, those are techno ba's technos ego genre, uh.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, eager genre. It's uh electron music, you mean.
SPEAKER_04It's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Boom boom boom boom boom can be many different things.
SPEAKER_04Do it, do it. Do it. Okay, how de ego oncey.
SPEAKER_02Well can what's a cannib.
SPEAKER_04Now. Anyway, what xin zai jihan Yo Chu. So is that Gao Chong, like how do you become this person?
SPEAKER_02Was it iron? Was it iron? Iron iron just person. Was it just a bija whi shan, iron bjang?
SPEAKER_04Iron.
SPEAKER_02Do I just biju tai san social?
SPEAKER_04That's an eat to cho one. Or it's a to cho funka.
SPEAKER_02So in the initial thing, it's a very good thing.
SPEAKER_04Cool. So it's a gaozhong study art school. What caused that?
SPEAKER_02Kaisu si inwe open underground music label.
SPEAKER_04So you DJ'd hip hop at first?
SPEAKER_02Uh at first.
SPEAKER_04What the fuck?
SPEAKER_02Then I just more into electronic music.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. But many genres.
SPEAKER_02I will say like mostly I play techno mo the most. But like sometimes I played many more house, as but sometimes I play I don't play in public, like uh but I like drum and bass breaks sometimes. Yeah, drum and bass, like not that's why you like the track thing. That's what she performings uh most performing is like techno.
SPEAKER_04Pijahawan.
SPEAKER_02Even will always play techno in public.
SPEAKER_04That's what they expect.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So uh they will my my my sound re represent like techno.
SPEAKER_04That's what gangan yokan za DJ Angela the party.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we're gonna say she wanna she's just techno.
SPEAKER_04So most most DJs just mix music, I believe. But you're actually like producing and composing your music, is that right? Yeah. And then like record.
SPEAKER_02Four tracks for this small EP.
SPEAKER_04Oh, EP is only four tracks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Alban is small tracks.
SPEAKER_04Right, right, right, right. That's your first EP.
SPEAKER_02Uh no, I re my first release is on 2020.
SPEAKER_04Oh wow.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so now it's like five.
SPEAKER_04That was an EP too? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So EP. Oh, we'll Uga ba.
SPEAKER_04Uga.
SPEAKER_02Shao Xiao the EP.
SPEAKER_04Wow. Those techno ma.
SPEAKER_02Uh the first EP actually is not techno, it's more like pop music, but it's only like not even two minutes. It's just like intro music. I work with my friend Melo Mu.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02We're music. Lan loop.
SPEAKER_04Uh need the first thing. Soundcloud ma.
SPEAKER_02Soundcloud, spottify, Apple Music, yeah, track source, beep, Spotfly. Spottifly. It's show on anyone.
SPEAKER_04So everywhere. YouTube, Spotify, Sound Out.
SPEAKER_02Ben Can Shinsai.
Tattoo Work As Main Craft
SPEAKER_04Bandcamp. Oh, or you upload music there. Just an individual.com.
SPEAKER_02Ben Bandcan.com.
SPEAKER_04Bandcamp.com, right?
SPEAKER_06Huh?
SPEAKER_04So there if if people wanna listen, Xiafuchiana.
SPEAKER_02Siting buyong.
SPEAKER_04Oh, Tingbuyong.
SPEAKER_02You wanna collect it and of course you're gonna pay money to support an artist.
SPEAKER_04Four or five E Ps. What's what's next in the music? I thought you said Nia ma man. I thought you wanted to slow down Biao Yan.
SPEAKER_02Slow down Biaoin.
SPEAKER_04That's uh we can't IG.
SPEAKER_02Huh?
SPEAKER_04Maybe by doyin'.
SPEAKER_02Well just focusing on tattooing. Because that's my main job. I'm a tattoo artist. DJ just like when I'm doing it, I'm 100% focusing.
SPEAKER_04And it seems like most dabufen the DJ Doshing Chu I Pusu Yao Juan Chian.
SPEAKER_02Especially underground music DJing is not make that much money. Oh wow, that's so cool.
SPEAKER_04It looks really cool. Yeah. Oh no. So you brought up Tsu Ching. Back to Tsu Ching. I feel like all your tattoos have you in them. When you put when you do a tattoo of a woman, it always looks like you. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02As an artist, what made hen kind of just rather than I'm happy with that. And then all my customers they are okay with that too. Like what what kind of style I like?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like what tattoos do you enjoy doing and what tattoos do you tau yun? Fongo.
SPEAKER_02Fonga style.
SPEAKER_04Wow, fung. So it's young.
Style, Symbols, And Meaning
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. Like what kind of style like the most? The style. Yeah, most of my customers had a big big tattoo.
SPEAKER_04Double foot.
SPEAKER_02Big piece tattoo.
SPEAKER_04Wow.
SPEAKER_02Double foot. San Ven.
SPEAKER_04San Ven.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_04Sound bad. Lift your head again. Yeah, sis. Oh.
SPEAKER_05Nikon Wojang.
SPEAKER_04Nigga said the angel number.
SPEAKER_02Sima.
SPEAKER_04I don't know. Like a badass tattoo. So it's also like Lil Leo Leo. Because it's the sign of the devil. So it's not a push is like dark.
SPEAKER_02No, I don't think it's dark.
SPEAKER_04It's not a dark thing.
SPEAKER_02What's the for me it's like Samadong she needs uh thing eat, huh? If you believe it and then you have the power.
SPEAKER_04Oh, we're talking about manifesting. Whatever you focus on has power. Right? So red crane. What is red crane? Honghu. Honghu. Is that what it is? A radio station?
SPEAKER_02Right there. That's my spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. radio station for like electronic music.
SPEAKER_04No shit.
Launching Red Crane Label
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So uh I will invite more guest artists to put performing here and then make the video for for the radio. Or share it to everyone. Yeah. Not necessarily my job is tattoo artist, so I don't have that much time to like 100% focus on radio, but I will try my best to make it happen. Mayo is that for art. Artists artists don't mean artists don't mean it's a chien.
SPEAKER_04So yeah huh handdoor.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So radio station male china for I love music, people love music. I want to share more music that's it. Male's my benefit.
SPEAKER_04Moti. How does the radio station work?
SPEAKER_02I just start right now from things like two weeks ago. Yeah so it's like uh still grewing up.
SPEAKER_04So red crane is the name of the radio station.
SPEAKER_02Yeah that's the reg my regular label's name too as well. Oh I thought I thought it was the name of your record means Xiaomi.
SPEAKER_04So your record label does that mean you sign other people onto your record label or I I produce music and then release for my own label right now for now.
SPEAKER_02But I in the future I will like to release some other different artists tracks.
SPEAKER_04Damn.
SPEAKER_02Yeah still working on it.
SPEAKER_04Well that's good. Then you don't have to go through a record label when you release, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah 100%. But I I can release with other labels so just if I think they are good and it can represent like the same music style like me so I will work with them. Just a male eating y'all that would label but like 80% tracks release on my own label. For now.
SPEAKER_04And that's where the copyright is why don't you record with other record labels?
SPEAKER_02What do you mean record?
SPEAKER_04Like you like like release.
What A “Radio Station” Means Here
SPEAKER_02I I did I did before a little bit yeah yeah before like uh the last four EPs all uh released by other labels. Oh no shit so I I just start from my own label phone since last year. Chun yang kai the EP Zhuanjian Faizang which promoting it's a very important thing to do. So the male be out is a promote I don't focus on promoting I want to focus on producing. Pushan the IG nio bla bla blah blah blah you're always promoting handle don't you mean one trans label to shy sang twenty was that promoting the radio promoting some the most of time from my Instagram story is like promoting the events I I'm going to play.
SPEAKER_04So they will ask you to if if you are the part of DJ, the a promoter will ask always ask you to promote the music their event for for their their branding so that's uh if I don't promote then like actually DJ in Taiwan you're usually promoting the event you're going to performing right oh that brings you back to making music producing you said you make samples do you actually have like a keyboard and do you actually like make melodies and drum lines or do you only use samples?
SPEAKER_02Uh I use MIDI's too MIDI's MIDI just a MIDI controller every push yung keyboard and z homemyo I don't use instrument because I don't play instrument. So I just use uh MIDI MIDI's to put the uh sample so you're not like making a melody or anything like that?
SPEAKER_04I don't play piano but I I can play quartz quartz quartz with uh push which is the push back interesting I'm trying to remember well so what's coming up this next year? Ming yema mm yin arling are leoing wangama is that right goals?
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah yes do wan go set up the more and li hai si wang she put on the go jui yo e pian should beo yen uh doi.
SPEAKER_04Ooh that's not long processing. Wow yeah it's probably very easy to travel as a tattoo artist. Could be dua could be so much more than I'm not going to be able to do it. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Mango Bangkok Oh day Yo see din.
Tools, Workflow, And Promotion
SPEAKER_04Oh dye sun upcoming events. I mean for a week maybe cheap like outsu summer for what? Like tattooing or like DJ. You said that's what you want to do next year, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah like I mean uh hangwood. Asia Yang Bijdoor, I think it's a very good thing. So which would the bijao bijao chill toi do wanghua the go tong sang who the zi thatong xiang fashion or bija shang woman shean the won hwa ha wain tira let me think let me think I wrote a lot down but I can't look at my phone so I don't know what they were let me think what else do you have to promote right now?
SPEAKER_04You got your record label Red Crane you got your radio station red crane you said you just started that?
SPEAKER_02Started my radio station yeah since uh that last two weeks so you've had two DJs on you've had two DJs on?
SPEAKER_04Oh you didn't answer my question how does the radio station work? Like Tongchang a radio station is always on and there's always music playing like a radio is that what's going on?
SPEAKER_02Because the radio station ba in plafong sam yanke for me for us like a radio station like this. It's like podcast it's just music podcast but we call radio station.
SPEAKER_04Really?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Do you talk we don't talk we just play music sound serious we don't talk in my share your share radio station host which we just woman male just in really I want to make it simple just you know everyone just go and click the platform Soundcloud YouTube and you can see you can choose what whatever music you like you can listen in.
SPEAKER_04Is it on Spotify?
SPEAKER_02I w I want to maybe Spotify which even with High Man it wasn't just a young platform. Just SoundCloud on YouTube. You have to record where the editing promote editing on lay sync video audio do promo sound how to clip promo eh face AI is it's lifestyle right now.
Goals, Travel, And Upcoming Gigs
SPEAKER_04Lifestyle yeah like every like AI choice shorts now you can use AI and like wolf and zong oh jow some young Ableton live now what jaw ni cap cut is the number one pay for the upgrade. So they'll edit it and then you can edit more.
SPEAKER_02I'm thinking alright give me a second you have a lot of elephants in here do you well by go bang with a genish by Dao Shenzai bye bye. Bye bye Bahu studio. Oh that twenty doyoma do to all you share tattoo cover up what do you want to this sound cover up you want to cover up all my fucking tattoosong like you're an a chu taigo gun endless tattoo the law button baifu song four pie. Make it don't shield zong jia me the ho si wouldn't so the sand those sometimes you just gotta take a minute and relax see if the question comes back.
Where To Find Her Music
SPEAKER_04I'm still trying to think after editing you'll show me right you want to see the whole thing before editing sometimes party the ganjo. Oh okay so you're not going to be a little bit more joy what I shang jongwin. Yeah one shouji won't kind of last thing all the places to find everything you do there should be a really long list you got sorry all of the places to find you yes that's it that's my question. So you need a all your IG names your SoundCloud your YouTube what are they? Cow Yao need IG S her? Oh ni something go.
SPEAKER_02Her sister confused what?
SPEAKER_04Who her she's interview her. Her who her who it's a girl named her what?
SPEAKER_02Ha the the Megwan she which is just top means abstract.
SPEAKER_04Yeah I had a student named Milk once again so on IG you are called her H E R.
SPEAKER_02Yeah her that's it just a her and how D Shen S S D shen D Shen just like a tattoo. That's uh what uh DJ N how tattoo hashtag D Shen Queen D shen tattoo Soundcloud Soundcloud Soundcloud just uh Ray current Ray curse.
SPEAKER_04Oh really?
SPEAKER_02Yes Raycurrent Ray curse Her Chen Spotify Her Chen Okay Phone number Ling jo ling jo hold on okay last question.
SPEAKER_04Huh what's your most meaningful tattoo night night sit sing si han yo is the Hanyo is the ma. Now how yung stem the style to crane and her is that have a connection crane just the her huh the minza crane cranjia I thought it was like river.
Cover-Ups, Belief, And Personal Change
SPEAKER_02What's a huh zuh eager bird so you really are a bird.
SPEAKER_04I had another question and you distracted me. Okay that's fine. That's your most wait that's your most meaningful tattoo? And you'd have magic What do you mean? You told me you have magic.
SPEAKER_02What magic?
SPEAKER_04Your your mom or your grandma just she said there's some magic in her family and then she does a cover up tattoo on me and she's like I'm erasing your family I'm erasing your flowers I'm erasing your pants and then I went home and I really did feel different and my life started changing and I looked at the stars one night and I was like wow I'm not an addict anymore. Wow like I'm not a gangster anymore and I really felt like when you covered a lot of that shit up you really did end a lot of the things in my mind that were holding me back like I'm a junkie or I'm a drug addict or I'm a criminal and I really felt I was looking at the stars I was looking at the tattoo and I was like I think she worked magic on me.
SPEAKER_02And Liang the Si Fang.
SPEAKER_04Right, good magic.
SPEAKER_02I believe the things you believe it will give us you power and energy and then I I'm telling you I'm covering this bad tattoo for you because you will be better and that's the energy that's in it to you. So you believe it and then you give it energy.
SPEAKER_04Oh it's the same thing you said earlier. How do you say that in Chinese that a phrase? Okay
SPEAKER_05Well shit.
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