Zoology, Conservation, and Oceanography with Nick Duke

Welcome Nick Duke for Episode 2! We cover all aspects of education from being a student to what it takes to be a good teacher. 

From there we lean hard into zoology and conservation. We talk growing up around animals, hunting as population control, why predators are rarely eaten, and the uncomfortable question of what we waste when we treat meat like it comes from nowhere. 

Last, we go full ocean mode: how whales and dolphins are mammals with lungs, and what separates amphibians from reptiles. We also explore orca culture, deep ocean pressure, Atlantis theories, UAP skepticism, and finally a personal paranormal story that lands right on the edge between grief and mystery.

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Transcript

Beats, Emotion, And A New Track

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Nights camera action, baby.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

Hey, beautiful.

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I think we're back.

SPEAKER_03 0:08

We back. Alright. What do you think of the track? Loved it. I loved the beats. I just know I I do drums, so I play drums, percussion. Oh, for real? So that's always what I listen to first.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Like a full drum set? Yeah, I can do it.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

Yeah, so anytime I hear that's the first thing to focus on. To me, music's the most important thing because that's the emotion of the song, right? Lyrics are important, but the emotion comes from the music, and the music was fantastic. I could play that shit all day. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

They just listened to a track I got called knock knock knock about my experience at Pasta Eye and the possession at Pasta Eye. So I just gave them a listen. That's what that's what we're talking about. I'll put that track at the end of this interview. I like it. Okay. Sick. Need some mastering, but yeah. Yeah, that's cool. So like I grew up an uh African djembe drummer.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Oh, yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah. What got you into that?

SPEAKER_02 0:56

The Grateful Dead, sort of hippie culture. Okay. And then I like met a hand drummer and I was just like fucking blown away by what he could do with his hands. And so I just started following him around. Cheat. Shout out to Cheat, Justin Musgrave. And asked him to buy his drum. He's like, no, you're not good enough. I'm like, all right. So I just kept following him around. He's like, practice for a year in a year. If you're good enough, I'll let you buy my drum. So I would literally practice on trash cans and coffee cans. And then if I went to a show, hippie festival, dead show, whatever, I would, you know, maybe somebody would let me borrow their drum and then I could drum. And then a year later, he's like, Alright, you can buy my drum, bought his djembe, and then it just became my life on tour, falling the dead, going to hippie festivals, always take my drums, always join the drum circle, lead the drum circle, whatever. Okay, hell yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Yeah, I mean, hand drums are amazing. I wish I got into that more. Actually, sometimes for that more than actually sticks or anything like that. So I'm jealous.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Yeah, but I'm not very good on a drum set. Hand foot coordination. Yeah, it's I can do a lot more with my hands than I can my feet.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

I'm sure your girlfriends appreciate that. I didn't say fingers. Yeah. All works together with a drumstick, man, or hands. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I would say I'm less talented at uh this is the nerdy shit I'm gonna say here, but um, I'm less talented on drum set than versus like xylophone, marambas, all that. Because that was always my like what I excelled in. I was always the best in school on that. So it's on drums. No, no, on like I was pretty good on drums. I did snare, bass, you name it. But for like maramba, cylophone, bell kit, all those things. There's one I forgot the name starts with a G. I can never pronounce it right anyway. I I fucking kill that shit, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

I'm not even sure what a maramba is.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

It's like a large do you know what a bell kit is?

SPEAKER_02 2:42

No.

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I okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

So you then the conversation ends.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Do you know what where a piano looks like?

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Okay, so imagine you have set amount of keys, right? But more from percussions. So you have thicker metal things or you have thicker wooden things. So instead of a piano key where you're like pressing on the key to make a sound, you're hitting it to make a sound. So imagine you're I think you have some. I forgot what that's called. It's not a st- is it a still drum? It's not a still drum. What are they called? Out out there. That's no good, huh? Yeah, that's a little bright. But yeah, basically you have notes, same notes as piano, and you're playing melodic things on said things. Instead of making like beats, you're making music.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Oh, okay. One of the drummers, I remember them bringing something around like that. And you could do percussion, but with melody, melodic percussion. Kind of like the metal drums outside.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Exactly, but more of a keyboard setup than actual a round drum thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I've seen those before. They're sick. Loved them.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

But it's hard to fit in an apartment.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

So one day. I heard that.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Yeah.

Learning Percussion The Hard Way

SPEAKER_03 3:46

So that was that was my jam. I did marching band in eighth grade. I was ahead in the class on that. I don't know how I got into band because my parents were kind of weird with school. Like I had summer school, my mom would teach us like a grade ahead, and then like we had to learn a music instrument and we had to do a sport. And so I chose percussion because you're just beating shit all day. And I was like, that's fun. You sound like a very privileged white. Lower middle class for most of it. Really? Yeah. I mean, I went to I went to public school. So I'm not sure. Same as me.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

It's like lower middle class.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Yeah, but I guess you know, I didn't go to the good mom. I have a very good relationship with my parents. I've been very fortunate.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

Yeah, they had you doing the right things to stop you from doing the bad things, wrong things.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Meth was only on Fridays. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

See, that's where I went wrong. It became an everyday thing.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Yep. See, only once a week.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

It'll be okay. Moderation is the key to success.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Amen to that. So yeah, I mean, that's what that was my education. I wasn't, I was never a good student, but uh, you know, I enjoyed it while it lasted.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

I wasn't until university. That was the first time I took school seriously.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

It's the opposite for me. Really? I flunked out my first year. I went to Western Carolina University and I flunked out my freshman year. They kicked me out after six months. Damn. Because high school was so easy for me, right? I went to a public high school. And as you know, American school system's kind of broken in the sense of like you pass the test, you move on. And I learned how to study for that. I mean, I slept in class all the time. I've I fucked around really hard in class. And when I actually had to start learning things and studying for things, I didn't know what to do. And so my first year of WCU, like it lasted six, seven months, and they kicked me out because my GPA was like 1.3, 1.4. Damn. I graduated high school at 1.7. Yeah, I graduated high school with like a 4.8. Or like a 3.8.8. They do they do weighted. So you've took honor in AP classes, it made more. And so my weighted GPA was like a 3.9 or something like that. It was too easy for me. And that was that caused a lot of issues in my college career. I was never a good student. I'm a very lazy person in general, but we work on it.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Kind of.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

I was a very, very bad student.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Sounds like you got it together when it mattered. I think college matters more than high school.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was too busy fucking off in high school to do a good job. Yeah. Quite the opposite. I just play video games and sports, and that's

School Burnout To Teaching Science

SPEAKER_02 6:05

about it. So I was gonna say this is a good time to nerd out on science, but then I see, well, you might count zoology. Would you count zoology a science?

SPEAKER_03 6:13

It is a science.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

No shit. You know what? So I've got sort of a promotion at school. I don't know if it's a promotion, but I'm now teaching junior high as well as elementary. Congratulations. Fuck man. I'm looking at the curriculum, the shit they give me, and I'm like, what? So I gotta teach myself the circulatory system, the respiratory system, the endocrine system, and the nervous system. Yep. I don't even know them. And I'm like designing a syllabus to teach it. So literally I'm like studying it day and night so that I can create a syllabus that way I can teach it. And I realized you can't teach it until you get it. Yeah. So I've been buried in I've been falling asleep in the book because I've been reading it for such extended periods of time. And but I do love it. I do love science and I do love learning. So I'm just going in headfirst.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

It's always fun when you you just kind of go head first on a subject you know nothing about.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

I love it, man. It's like I think it's a rare opportunity later in life. I mean, not that I'm that late in life, but I am like 40 day over 20. I am 40, so it's like I think it's important the older you get, like every couple years that you get older, learn something brand new. 100%. Get those neurons firing in ways that they haven't been fired ever, potentially, right? So I think learning something brand new is really important with aging. So I don't know. I see so many people back home, I guess in Taiwan as well, now that I think about it, suffering from dementia and Alzheimer's. Yeah. And what's that the result of doing the same thing every day for decades? Yeah. And it's parts of your brain start to die, right? There's they've been inactive for so long that they're just dormant. And you can only wake them up by like learning. Like I was thinking about taking up violin because I always wanted to, and I never did.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

That's hard, but that'd be beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yeah. Well I play guitar and hand drums.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

Learn how to play fiddle. We can start a bluegrass band. I got banjo. I'm learning banjo. So yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

We were talking about starting like a none of us are indigenous, but this indigenous group.

SPEAKER_03 7:57

Like O tikan. Yeah. That would be uh an interesting state of residents.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

A white indigenous group. God. Well, at least one of us would be Asian. The chanter would be Asian. Okay. And then two whites. Yeah, that's that's a doomed plan. Didn't think about that. Sometimes I forget I'm white.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

Yeah, hey. Happens to me every day. You know? Happens to the best of us, so.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Oh my goodness. Okay, so yeah, that was my little sidewall. Yeah, the so I'm studying the book. I feel like I'm going to medical school, man. But anyway, so zoology is a branch of science.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

Yes, it's a science of animals.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Oh right.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

To make it really simple. Um, all kinds of animals. All animals, basically. There's not a specific one. Why do I love zoology? I grew up on a farm around animals.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

I'm sorry. Zoology is the science of animals.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

More or less. Ology is the science of zoo. I forgot the Greek or Latin word for honey. It means animal, basically. Not plants, not bacteria, not viruses, but animals. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

So why do I actually want to be a vet. My first job, I kept this. I want to be a vet for like until I was like 18.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 9:05

Well, yeah. Then I discovered organic chemistry. I was like, I'm good. You know, then you discovered organic chemistry and you said I'm just. I'm good. I'm not good with chemistry.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Organic chemistry stopped you. Yeah. Yeah. So you were going to school to be a vet.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

I was a bio major. Yeah. My first first, I told you the first six months. Well, that's when you flunked out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

And you got to organic chemistry and you were like, fuck this.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

And that was what does organic chemistry consist of? I know you failed it, so you probably don't didn't retain a lot.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Because for me as a science teacher, my favorite thing to teach is chemistry.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

I think organic compounds, so like carbon, hydrogen, uh, how does it make life? How does it function in life?

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Would be my estimation of that. Molecules, like carbon atoms, and how you make molecules by combining atoms. Oh, it's my bread and butter. I love that shit.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Or nice organic soup.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

They wouldn't even let me into that in high school. I was such a bad student. But now it's like, oh, please let me teach it. Please let me teach the periodic table.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Please let me teach elements. I actually think they call, or they did call organic chemistry like the killer of doctors because it would prevent so many people from becoming doctors because it is a tough course. I was always bad with physics because of math, and I was never good at chemistry for whatever reason. But yeah, organic chemistry was not my favorite. I was like, I'm better at talking than I'm like fixing things. So let me just follow that pathway.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

So funny how you changed later in life. Like I got my first D in seventh grade science. I couldn't get into any form of like advanced science. And now I'm a science teacher. Yeah, like you said earlier, you had no credentials to be a history teacher. Yeah, and then you just be a history teacher. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, they just said, Does anybody want to teach science? And I just raised my hand. That's all that happened. And then I went to the library and got seven books and taught myself science.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

I think passion is so important for education. If you love something, I think you can teach it. I mean, with through through teaching, you learn yourself, right? To quote Phil Collins from Tarzan. But it's I learned so much just teaching the kids that I taught. I taught high school students, right? And so I learned so much about history because you learn about one topic and you're like, well, how can I explain this to someone who doesn't speak English as a first language? So you have to dig a little deeper, you have to dig a little deeper. So I think you you learn through that way a lot. Yeah,

Zoology, Vet Dreams, Organic Chemistry

SPEAKER_03 11:10

I love zoology. I love animals, I love the science of animals. I grew up on a farm around animals constantly. Grew up an area where you could hunt and stuff like that. So always around animals. Did you hunt? I yeah, yeah. What? Yeah, grew up hunting. I have a good time hunting. Yeah. Yo. I didn't do it much just because my parents weren't hunters. So you grew up in an area where hunting was common? Yeah, southeast. I'm from Georgia. I grew up a good portion of my life in North Carolina where hunting was a daily thing. We had kids come to high school with their shotguns still in their truck because they went hunting that morning. Because you go hunting around 4 or 5 a.m. typically, because that's where most animals start coming out because it's not hot. And so kids would show up to school with their shotguns still in their truck from the morning they just went hunting. Is that illegal? No, they got in trouble often, especially when the dogs came out because you had dogs smelling for gunpowder. And because obviously at this point, school shootings, yada yada yada. This was like what 20, 2008, 2007. So yeah, yeah, it was interesting. But I some good memories of mine is I'd go go hunt coyotes with my neighbor. And my neighbor was like a 65-year-old guy who unfortunately his like kids passed away. And so I think that was kind of helpful for him. And I got to learn how to shoot, got to learn a little more respect for nature. Y'all went to hunt coyote. Y'all went to hunt coyotes? We went to hunt coyote. Yeah. Coyote. Yeah. And I think one problem is like we got this pure black coyote because he had a farm, so these coyotes would tear up their animals, right? And also pets and everything. And so we we'd kind of kind of help keep the population a bit smaller in that area.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

But that's important with hunting, right? That's one of the primary justifications of hunting. Yeah. The control population control.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

Well, I mean, you have to think, what's these people's the predators now? We've humans have wiped out so many creatures on this planet that you have in tons of environments where we are then predator now. Right, right. And if we don't, then like look at white tail in the southeast, white tailed deer. If it wasn't for humans, they'd be a plague, basically, at this point. You have one. Disease would be everywhere. Yeah. Well, actually, white tail technically are. They're actually from the northeast. Um, I don't want to go invasive as much because it's East Coast, it's not as bad, but that's a branch of zoology, wouldn't it be though?

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Invasive species. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

I love conservation.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

But uh you love conservation. Should we revisit that in a minute?

SPEAKER_03 13:24

We can, yeah. Protecting the keeping things alive as long as we can, keeping Earth beautiful, diverse. Without that, it'd be a very boring world. We just have dogs and cats everywhere and things we eat. Which is less fun. What were you saying? I was saying uh yeah. So if it wasn't for human, it's you'd have massive overpopulation. Wild boar, that is an invasive species, they're called a nuisance species. Without humans, they would be everywhere destroying agriculture, homes, in the sense of like property values, which I know the governments love. So give one feeling.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Could we could we call could we call vegans an invasive species?

SPEAKER_03 14:05

I I think when it comes the type of veganism, it depends on where you're from. So I don't want to I don't want to throw the vegans under the bus yet. Uh I I've dated quite a few of them, and so I don't want to And you should know better than most. I you know, a black bean burger is not the same as a burger. I will say that. So it's when everyone floats their boat, right?

SPEAKER_02 14:24

I only know one thing, you can't trust them. I tried to date one.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

No comment at this time.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Yeah, that's fine. You don't have to. These are my own personal beliefs.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

Well, it's I do like tofu though.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

Tofu's great. I love tofu.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Dogan, tofu. Yeah, you name it. Tofu scan. Delicious. Got a whole bunch of soy milk in my fridge right now.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

Think about a steak now, compared to tofu. I had steak for dinner last night. Right next to my soy milk. There we go. So I would have learned for dating vegans. It's easier for me to date a non-vegan because I'm like, hey, babe, let's go grab a steak, and then I get a lecture. And so it's I think veganism's cool if you do it, respect, but not for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

So can in conclusion, they are an invasive species.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

Yes. Welcome to my TED Talk.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

So zoology. Yes, animals. And you hunting coyotes. I want to get back to that. So what kind of weapon did you use when you were going to hunt coyotes? Can't remember, but it was a rifle.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

A long rifle, because obviously they're canines and they can hear you and smell you pretty far away.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

Why would you need to use a long rifle for that?

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Because you have to be some distance away. You can't walk up to a coyote without knowing. Most animals you can't just walk up to.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Long rifles you can shoot further.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

Yeah, they can't smell you, they can't hear you if you're upwind.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Yeah, because they got very good noses. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

Good noses, they're canines still. Noses hearing. And so yeah, you just in the evening or early morning, you just kind of wait out there. You you listen to them, and maybe you put a a call out for it, and then you do the rest yourself. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

So I mean, did you on an average day, would you kill one, two, three?

SPEAKER_03 15:57

It wasn't an average. I mean, on you'd once you get one, they usually scatter. And so usually a one would be a good day. I mean, hunting, hunting's like fishing, the sense of you can go out there for hours and you see nothing. You get nothing. Usually that's the case. Like to give you an example, my last hunting experience, I think it was last year, 2024, 2025, Christmas. I went hunting with some friends, get some deer.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Back home.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

Back home, yep. North Carolina, South Carolina. And I got a deer. It's a very large property, but the rest of my friends didn't. And so it's one of those things where it's just like time and place, man, time and place.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

My question, man, because my mom likes buys beef from a butcher. And it sounds like they waste. Sorry, I'm porn supply. It sounds like they waste all the best parts. I mean, I I go to the butcher and I get like the heart, I get the femur bone, I get the liver, I get as many various pieces of that as I can, inspired largely by Joe Rogan, but also realizing that it's important to eat organs. Yeah. My mom never gets any of that good stuff, never gets the bone marrow, never gets the tendon. So when you guys killed these coyotes, like what'd you do with the body? What'd you do with the meat?

SPEAKER_03 17:04

We bury it? No, we I I think I'm not sure. I was I was a kid, and so uh he took the body. So they went to the farm to live happily ever after. They were just sleeping, right? Oh, so you didn't personally get to take any of the meat home. No, because you don't you wouldn't eat coyote typically because it's no shit. Predators you don't typically want to eat because of parasite reasons. That's why we don't typically eat parasit eat predators, if you think about it. People eat bear, people eat other things. You can eat coyote.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Is a monkey a predator?

Hunting, Predators, And Food Ethics

SPEAKER_03 17:30

It's an omnivore, which arguably could be worse. But pigs are omnivores as well.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

So omnivores different from predator. Omnivore, herbivore, carnivore.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

The the dangers of monkeys and primates, less on monkey, more on primate, is they're close to us. So any virus that affects them could affect us a little easier.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

So you're saying eating humans could be dangerous?

SPEAKER_03 17:47

It's incredibly dangerous. Really? Yeah. You can get diseases of the brain, man. Like I forgot the word for it, but yeah, it's it's really bad. This way, you know the theory of cannibals always.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Is it really bad, or is it just like meth on Friday type situation?

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Well, it's something eating your brain from the inside out. Oh, for real. It's a it's not a long-term thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not technically a a parasite, it's like a protein that goes crazy and starts munching on your brain. But you shouldn't eat your own species from human side of things because there's diseases. So if something has a disease, so if a a goat has the disease, goats are very different than humans for the most part, right? There's less likely that disease is gonna affect you. If you eat a human, that disease is definitely gonna affect you. Where did HIV and AIDS come from? Well, how did humans it's naturally found in primates, chimps? How did people get that? From probably eating raw chimp meat.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

I thought it was from sleeping with uh having sex.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

But it it had to come from no, I I don't think people went out and that was the rumor when AIDS first started, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Yeah, I think it's a funny set. Yeah, dude. So you think it was actually from eating monkeys?

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah, because if you have a cut in your mouth and you get blood in your bloodstream, then you have HIV.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Wow. So you really think that was actually from eating monkey meat, not fucking monkeys.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Most people most people are hungry. Most people don't want to go out and fuck a monkey, right? So I'm I'm gonna go to the odds on eating over fucking. I could be very wrong. There could be a very interesting individual in history.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

I mean eating's a little bit less. I don't know what's worse. Yeah, probably fucking is worse than eating.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

I would say probably fucking, yeah. But we don't know what kind of women they had in that village, so we don't want to assume or judge too much.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

All right, all

Conservation As Keeping Life Alive

SPEAKER_02 19:25

right, all right. So you said you like conservation. Humor me on that because it's something I have to teach and I don't know how to make it fun.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

I would say the make it fun is how it affects the kids' life. How does conservation affect life? We now live in a society, we live in a society where we kind of understand conservation, but for the longest period of human history, we were like, eh, screw those animals, poke them, you know. How many species have gone extinct? How many species are now extinct this year? The world gets a lot more boring when you can't go look at a giraffe, right? Or go look at a rhino, or go look at an elephant, or go look at a small bug that has a beautiful color scheme that only exists in your village.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

So conservation is the act of keeping things alive, keeping things, conserving things, keeping things alive.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

And it's just not for animals, it's for plants as well. I mean, Taiwan almost lost the camphor tree from the Japanese imperial days, right? And so camphor is a beautiful piece of wood. And if if it was up to the Japanese and they kept doing it, eventually you wouldn't have any more of those trees. And so we lose things, right? We lose parts of not only human history, because humans, indigenous communities have used those things for millennia, but we're also losing, I would say, uh part of us. I mean, we are animals, we grew up in this environment, although we have changed a lot, and maybe they those things have not. It's still technically part of us, right? So when you go out and walk in the woods, like you you moved out here because you you feel more connected to the earth, right? I assume that's what it was. If it wasn't for conservation, there wouldn't be an earth, it'd all be barren, industrial things, you know, life would would be very different than what we have today.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

So conservation is essentially the preservation of life.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Yeah, that's a great way to say it. Yeah, of of different issue of life. Oh man. Humans don't need it. I think it'd be would benefit it benefits us in the long term and in the short term.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Okay.

How Whales End Up In Water

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Staying on the topic of zoology, I have a note here from our pre-interview about whales that evolved on land and went back.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Yes. So whales and and dolphins and porpoises and all that were on land before they were water. Well, that's a bad statement. So it's back up unless you're all the way back, very, very millions and millions and millions and millions of years ago.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

When the whole earth was covered in water?

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Uh or was that never happened? Earth looks very different throughout history of time.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

So was there ever time when Earth was covered in water only?

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Mostly water, yeah. You had probably a lot of different islands, enough volcanoes making that. But not like water world kind of water. You've always had probably some kind of land masses, whether it be volcanoes or something.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Else gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

And water's a fairly, I don't want to say fairly new, but at one point water didn't exist on Earth. Yeah, I mean if it was all volcanic, disgusting, smoggy, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

In the very, very, very beginning, it was just like rocky.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

That takes millions of years. Yeah. If you think about how water was formed, it takes millions of years. So Earth, and how long does it take to fill up an ocean?

SPEAKER_02 22:21

And how long how does it how do you form water out of nothing?

SPEAKER_03 22:27

That's organic chemistry. I didn't get to that chapter that kicked me out. There's a lot of theories on that, but like how do you make what it's HTO, right? It's two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom and water comes. So I would assume superheating of hydrogen and the oxygen that was made through other things and water came. So probably you had probiotic things, small single-cell organisms kind of bopping about, and then you had water come from that.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

So that's insane.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

But I don't know. That's that's definitely not within my well, you broke it down though.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

It was like crazy. I understand chemistry, I understand it's H2O, two hydrogen atoms plus an oxygen, but there were like single said single-celled organisms that were able to produce the right amount of hydrogen and oxygen.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

And obviously you had volcanoes spouting out things as well.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

And so yeah, but they spout out lava, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:20

Well, gases as well. What kind of sulfuric gases? I mean, if you go to the hot springs around here, what does it smell like?

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Sulfuric acid. Not the ones here, but yeah, sulfur.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

So there's gases there. I mean, there's carbon gases. So yeah, I don't yeah, it's something like that. I don't want to be like, uh, this is what happened, you know, but something like that. Then millions of years later, you had more organic life, then you had mosses, so like lichens, like small little things. And then a lot more million years after that, you had fish-based looking things in the water. Yes. You had more multicell organisms. You started having what we would call animals after a while. And millions more years after that, you had animals who were like, you know what? Land looks pretty cool right now. I'm gonna go try land, and so evolved eventually to where some things were able to get on shore for a couple minutes at a time, come back in water, right? Well Amphibians, yeah. No, not yet. Amphibians are actually they would come around the conifera. I can't say. Thank you. Is that right? Period. Yeah, 100% periods of time. Carboniferous. We'll get to that in a minute. That's where you had all the big bugs. And then you had super massive amphibians as well.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

But so you had things pop on shore, leave shore. Evolution happened, things were able to stay on shore longer, longer, longer, longer, longer. You start getting reptiles, you start getting, you know, various other creatures, amphibians, you name it, right? Millions more years later, you had things that became mammals, right? Well after the dinosaurs. These mammals chilled on Earth, but some mammals are like, you know what? I want to go back to the water. And so they go in the water, spend some time in the water, they leave. Water, they leave, water, they leave. And what's survival of the fittest? Evolution, these things that would stay in the water longer, more food, are able to breed, stayed in water longer, stayed in water longer, stayed in water longer, stayed in water longer. What do you get? Whales and dolphins million years after that.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Hold on, that was a really big jump, man.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

Sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

No, no, no. I think you told it right. Just trying to wrap my mind around it. That's all. I understood the whole story. But there were so there were creatures that were getting out of the water, going back in, and eventually. I mean, that I think what you're trying to say is that's an explanation of why how we have mammals in water, is because they were the results of creatures that were going on and off of land.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

Yeah, over time.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Really? Is this scientifically proven? There are scientists that would say bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

That's science, isn't it? Yeah. You know, people say bullshit to gravity now. So I mean it's like I don't want to say it's fact, but that's that's the belief and that's the evolution of it.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Um that's I mean, what okay, so real quick, what makes a mammal a mammal?

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Okay. This is where it it's fun. Milk, right? So milk, yes. But then you can also argue about platypus. And that's why the reason the platypus is considered a mammal, even though it lays eggs.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Because they have is the platypus the only mammal that lays eggs?

SPEAKER_03 26:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Really? Yes. We talked about that in science recently. It is the only mammal that lays eggs. I believe so.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Yes. This is the popular one. And yeah, and so platypuses are kind of weird, but they still have nipples, and so we're gonna count them as mammals.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

They walk on land?

SPEAKER_03 26:30

They're mostly aquatic, but they can be on land. They have they have webbed feet, though.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Whales and dolphins cannot walk on land. Just so you know, listen to the city. They have a bad time when they come.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Yeah, they have a bad day when they hit the land.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

So is platypus the only mammal that can be both in water and on land?

SPEAKER_03 26:43

No, we have tons of mammals. So it's about time periods. So seals can be on land for seals. Warlesses can be on land for days. Yeah. But they hunt in the oceans, right? Big cats can swim. I mean, humans can swim. Uh bears can swim, okay. So, like it's swimming's, it's not about swimming, it's about how long you stay in the water. And your lungs. So that's a big thing too. So whales, porpoises, you name it, seals, they s they breathe through lungs. They actually have lung systems, which means they have to come to the surface to breathe, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:16

All mammals have lungs, am I right?

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Even whales and dolphins. Yes, they have lungs. That's why they have the blowholes on the cloud. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

They have to breathe oxygen, they have to come up. Versus fish, they they take water through their gills, which is a completely different respiratory system.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

They do not have lungs.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

More or less, no. They have gills.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

They have a different respiratory system that functions through gills. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

But most reptiles have lungs. Amphibians do not. Amphibians have a different respiratory system.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Can you repeat that?

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Reptiles usually have lungs. I don't want to say all of them do, because someone's gonna be like, well, actually, this guy from the sub-Saharan African desert. Reptiles have lungs, they breathe, oxygen, right? And then it's not as advanced as mammals, but amphibians don't. They breathe through their skin and other things. And so you see a diversion of evolution happen at some point where you have chains of, you know, they're gonna go amphibians, we're gonna go, you know, fish are up here already, right? So amphibians happen, which are much older than the reptiles and mammals.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

And then reptiles come, which are then the dinosaurs and other things, and then become birds a little bit as well, and then you have mammals all the way down here. Mammals are fairly new in the grand scheme of things because they're incredibly advanced. Like we're uh warm-blooded, right? Which is fairly new in the animal kingdom. Most things are cold-blooded, which means they can't heat themselves.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

They can't eat themselves. Heat themselves.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

So do you like most things can eat themselves. I'm passionate about cannibalism. So it's we can jump on that. Any opportunity to bring it back. We can bring it back. Don't worry. We'll get it. But yeah, and so a lot of animals can't heat themselves, mammals can. We have homostasis, yada yada yada about that. So that's a big jump, too.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

So was it reptiles breathe through their skin?

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Reptiles, most reptiles, I think, have lung systems.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Okay, amphibians breathe through their skin differently. And do not have lungs. So they do have a lot of them.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

Not in the way we think of humans, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

They do have a respiratory system, but it functions differently.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

They have to take in oxygen, they have to expel the carbon dioxide. That that's function is still a factor. But it's not if you if you cut open a frog, the lungs are gonna look slightly different than if you cut up a open a mouse.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Word.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

So but yeah.

Earwax Evidence And Whale Culture

SPEAKER_03 29:29

The thing we were actually talking about, which I think is a really fun fact about wells, is that they still have ears and earwax, but they don't actually have ears anymore, like we do. And so the earwax just builds up over time, and you can read it like a tree ring. You can read up through you can from a dead well, you find because wells can live up centuries, right? You can find where they've had stress, you can find where they've had issues with viruses and diseases in their earwax, and it builds up since they're born, right? It just exists inside their ear canal that they don't really use anymore. Whoa. And so, yeah, we like tree ring. Exactly. The study that looked at that is like during high points of human welling in the 1800s and whatnot, uh, you can see they're all whale species had higher stress levels. So the whales were very aware of what people were doing in that environment, or so we think the theory, versus today, which there's less welling, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Yeah, hasn't it been shown that whales are relatively conscious, or is that just what I learned through my own?

SPEAKER_03 30:25

Oh no, they're they're real they're very smart. Dolphins are brilliantly smart as well. So they're not they're not dumb. And it's it we have to really change how we think about what we define as conscious and smart, right? If I put you in the ocean, who would beat you at getting a fish? A dolphin or you?

SPEAKER_02 30:41

A dolphin.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

Yeah. If uh you told swim north blinded in the water, dolphin's gonna beat you as well. But if you play a dolphin in ping pong, you'll probably beat the dolphin. So I think it's not like intelligence is is not an easy skill. It's not an easy skill like isn't a lot of that instinct though? Yeah. Nature what is instinct?

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Instinct is your gut.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Your gut feeling.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Yeah. It's not your thinking process, it's your gut feeling.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Well, let me use orcas. And orcas, they're called killer whales, right? But they're they're not a they're not a whale. They're a per porpoise, they're just a large dolphin.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Killer whales are a large dolphin?

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yes, they're the largest dolphin to be exact.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Killer whales are the largest dolphin.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Well, they're porpoises, yeah, which is what dolphins are.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Dolphin is a porpoise. Correct. Killer whales also a porpoise. Say it again.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Porpoises have a purpose. Always throws me off.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Porpoises have a purpose. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Yeah. A little wordplay there. So killer whales, they'll put salmons on their head. Some some groups of orcas together at pot will put salmon, dead salmon on their head as a hat. They have their own cultures. We think they have their own language systems that they're system. So, like, we need to stop thinking like just because you haven't invented the gun or you can like throw a spear, that you're not as intelligent as us, you know what I mean? So, intelligence to me, I don't like this intelligence thing. So it's it's a skill. They wear salmon's like hats. Yeah. Some at some attack boats specifically. They don't kill the person. Some groups attack boats, which means killer whales. Which means someone told them to attack the boats, which means their pods are communicating. So how do you communicate? We don't know. We don't know how they communicate. They have different different culture stands. No, I mean they probably it's not like what we think of. Echolocation.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

That's what they use in the ocean.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

A little bit. They're good at that. Uh, I think most well animal-based mammals or water-based mammals that have that to some degree.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Echolocation.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

But not like bats or anything. It's not like they're going, yeah. But whales do do that. They talk and their voice carries very far. Uh we can't pick it up in our ear. Humans can't hear it. So anytime you see a video underwater where they're like, you can hear a well, it's it's edited, it's not real. But yeah, they they we've seen them have their own little individual cultures in each different pod.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

So there are large portions of the ocean undiscovered, unexplored by humans. Deep parts of the ocean, absolutely. Deep parts. Deep parts. Super deep.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Yeah, it's easier to deal with no pressure than too much pressure.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Deeper than the Mariana trench.

SPEAKER_03 33:08

I think that's the deepest point, but we haven't we've I think explored this, could be completely around like less than two percent.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

How do we not know that like aliens don't exist deep in those parts of the ocean we haven't been to when they're communicating to whales like other whales? We really don't know what's maybe they're relatives.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

Yeah. I mean, if you think how large the ocean is and we can only spend a couple hours there at a time. I mean, what can you really see? You see new discoveries come out all the time from that.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

We know more about our universe than we do actually the deep ocean.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Really?

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

It's easier to explore.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

We can see explore no, understand, observe yes. Because it's easier to stick a telescope in space and it's easier to go out to space. Dealing with less pressure is harder than dealing with too much pressure.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Right. In space we have too much pressure?

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Less pressure.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

And it's vacuum. In the ocean, we have too little pressure.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

Too much pressure.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

I'm sorry, I got that backwards. Yeah. Too much pressure.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Things pushing down on you.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Because not only do you have gravity, but you also have tons of the water weight, right?

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Right. And so, yeah, that's what happened with the Titan sub that went.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

The what?

SPEAKER_03 34:06

The Titan sub? You had those billionaires go down on water and they they they got squished.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

Oh, it happened, like two years ago? You had like this guy who made like this company who made their own like subs, and it was they were on be like a vacation thing for rich people, and then the first test thing they went down and instantly squished. Whoa. Yeah. Millisecond. Happened in a millisecond. They didn't fill anything, but they became vaporized. So it's hard. Um, and so inventing things that can handle that kind of pressure is much harder than inventing things that can survive in a vacuum, which is space.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

Space is a vacuum.

SPEAKER_03 34:47

Space is a vacuum. Yep. That's why you you poke a hole in a space station, you go everything goes outside.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Oh, right. Like you see in the movies, everything starts sucking everything out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

So yeah. So I I one day I hope we get a little more information down there. But it's cool. I mean, I implore everyone to go see what discoveries made. Because you see some freaky creatures down there, man. Yeah. They're just cool.

Deep Ocean Pressure And The Unknown

SPEAKER_02 35:09

What do you what do you know about Atlantis?

SPEAKER_03 35:12

Ha ha ha. That's uh that's a question. I know where it is. No. I think it's a it's a story. I think it's a a good story. I think what happened was a long time ago. Do you know where Spain connects to Morocco?

unknown 35:25

No.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

I know where Morocco is, though.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Spain and Africa like this, right? This used to be land here. And then one day land went no more, and you had all that water rushed in. It was the biggest flood in human history. And the Mediterranean Sea happened because of flood. And so I think potentially there could be civilizations around there that just got washed away because you'd have millions upon millions of gallons of water rushing at you, nothing could survive that. So that could have happened. I think all stories are based in reality,

Atlantis, UAPs, And Lost Civilizations

SPEAKER_03 35:55

but I don't think it was some super advanced civilization. In my personal opinion. What about you?

SPEAKER_02 36:03

What?

SPEAKER_03 36:04

Atlantis. Okay, nice.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

I just think it's I I like mysteries. I like things with no concrete evidence. I just feel like I don't know, I feel like there's more I can easier I can believe more easily things with no validity. Because I think soci I think those are the things society doesn't want us to believe. And I think if there were facts, society removed them so that we can't believe in them, because I think they want us to believe the tangible reality they project to us every day.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

And I'm really obsessed with the pantheon of gods and polytheism and all these different things that could or could not be the result of psychedelics. But I think that modern society is trying to get us as far away from that as possible because they don't really want us to be connected. Because if we are connected to the real reality, we will not listen anymore. We will not take politics, we won't take the shit serious, because we'll realize it's all a facade.

SPEAKER_03 37:07

Yeah. I you know, I I agree with what you're saying with that. I do agree. They're trying to push away from the metaphysical and keep it what reality is. The Atlantis itself, the story of land, like Atlantis, the name. It was made in the sense of a guy heard a story and he wrote that down with the Greeks. So there really is no basis of like this this thing being passed down to people. I truly do believe there's lost civilizations out there that we may never find because some class some volcano went off, wiped them out. The giant flood I just mentioned wiped them out. So I think there's a base to that in history. One one idea I've always loved is that humans aren't aren't actually from Earth. You know, Mars. Mars used to be the home world, and we, you know, we passed this. We once Mars was wiped out, we sent people here and you know, and all that. So I I like these theories for fun. I really like it. I've played a lot of games, read a lot of books about that theory, and it's just a fun thing to think about. But Atlantis as a city, like the city of Atlantis, I don't know ever existed. But I'm sure there were cities that were wiped away that were civilizations that were wiped away from some Earth event.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

Another theory is more a more advanced society than ours needed to get rid of Earth, and so they sent a disease here, a cancer, a parasite. And we are that, and we have come to destroy it.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

Okay. Well then I wouldn't disagree with that, but my my my thing would be like, why? What are we destroying besides Earth itself?

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Something in the way? What's the something that's in the way? I don't know. I mean, we can never understand what societies more advanced than us want. Imagine that there's like a path that they need. They need this path open because they're building something or they have a plan, and Earth is in the way, and they're so much more advanced that they can afford millions of years or however many years. So they're like, all right, how do we get rid of this planet? But you would think if they're that advanced, they could just blow it up, right?

SPEAKER_03 38:58

To to to go back to the very first conversation we had. So I mentioned Dungeon Crawl of Carl. So basically it's run by aliens, the thing he's involved with, because Earth forgot to sign papers they sent a thousand years ago, and so they're dishonesting. What is this? Dungeon Carl of Carl. The booklow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Now you got me.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

Now you got my interest. And so Earth forgot to sign some papers because they didn't know that the aliens exist. They're like, oh, we sent you the papers. And uh they forgot to sign so Earth's getting destroyed to make some room for other things. And so they're making putting all the humans to run like a game show situation.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

So just to full circle that. But yeah, it also reminds you of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Okay. I think I saw it or read it. Yeah, where Earth was also getting destroyed for various reasons. Bureaucratic. But yeah, I mean, we can't anything that can space travel through space is gonna be 20 times more advanced than we can even think about. I mean, can an ant understand our consciousness? Absolutely not. So why are we trying to understand something that great?

SPEAKER_02 39:54

Do you think there are? I mean, some people seem to be very convinced. Do you think these like military whistleblowers are valid? Do you think things really are getting seen?

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Most probably. I don't know if I believe in the grays. The what? The grays. Like the big head with the big black eyes. Like when you think of it.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

I'm talking about like what are they talking about? Like cube-shaped things or like oh uh tic-tac-shaped objects.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

No, oh, you're talking about Uh UFOs. What are they called now? They're not called Uh, UAPs. UAPs, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

I'm I'm sure UAPs exist. I mean, yeah, with US government came out uh right before you invaded another country about oh, we found a UAP.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Yeah, but can you believe anything they say?

SPEAKER_03 40:31

No, I don't believe governments. Right. Why would you? I don't know. I've never experienced it before, and I don't think we have any like hardcore evidence to say yes, they exist then. Well, then you go.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

That's not why I started it though. That's not why I said that. So I've experienced other dimensional entities.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

And that's that's the thing, is like I think everyone's experiences are it's easy to say no, they're they're lying, they're not being honest, but we don't know what that person experienced, right? We don't know what they went through. And so just because I didn't experience it, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, no, that person's lying. He's not he's not being for them.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

I don't know. Military individuals, I don't really know, but I know that most of them are suffering from PTSD, right? Exactly. And people that are suffering from PA PTSD that are in the military are consuming massive amounts of alcoholic or alcohol and probably benzos and all kinds of things. I don't really know. But I've experienced NCCs, but like I said, it's all the result of psychedelics. But it's so vividly real, it's undeniable.

Paranormal Moments And Grief Messages

SPEAKER_03 41:27

To get off complete off the zoology topic, I've experienced paranormal things. I've experienced paranormal things where I'm like, I can't explain what that was. And so am I gonna go jump to like ghost? No, but I can I can sit down confidently say I don't know what that was. I can't explain what that was.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Dude, I experienced something here in this house. Well, I told you about the possession earlier, which I never told you the story, but I was laying here, my grandpa died a year and a half ago. Sorry for your loss. Thank you. I mean it meant a lot to me. I was laying in my bed, I can't remember the story, but I was laying in my bed and my back hurt, everything hurt, and all of a sudden, like my body just started moving and cracking, my spine's cracking, and I'm moving. I'm like at one point I was like, I vividly realized I wasn't in control. And but I'm just going with the flow, and just everything's getting cracked, everything's getting cracked, and I'm like, whoa, and then it stops, and I'm like, Okay, I'm totally certain of what just happened. I don't know if I should tell anybody about this. That was not me. That was something outside of me. Oh my god, freaking out. What should I do? And I just hear drink water and walk slow, and I'm like, that's what my grandpa always said to me. Those were always his parting words. And I was like, Grandpa? Like, yes, son. Not that clear, but like in a way. I'm like, holy shit, grandpa, you're here. And then I heard happy birthday, have a safe trip to America, and I'm like, tripping out, tripping out. Which made me kind of realize, like the dead don't really ever leave, and maybe the the boundaries we see, maybe that maybe they're not as strong as we think they are.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

I like that.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

I think there's a parallel universe.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Yeah, I time doesn't run linear, so we should stop thinking it does.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

Maybe when people die, they don't go to heaven or hell, or maybe they become aliens.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

I don't know. That's the beauty of the idea.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Maybe that's what aliens are. Maybe aliens aren't aliens. Aliens are just the death.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

Yeah, I mean that's death. That death, we don't know death. We don't know what happens after death. There's no way to observe death besides the physical body aspect of it, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Or dying, or I mean, the only way we could explore that is people who have died and come back.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

Yeah. Their stories are all very different as well.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

I've done that a couple times, but I didn't see anything to bring back.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

I hope you don't do that again until it's a good one. I'm not planning on anytime soon.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Next time I I don't plan on coming back.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Okay. Yeah. Hopefully it's not anytime soon, you know. But yeah, I mean, death, we don't know what happens to consciousness after death. There's no way to measure it.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

So well, there's no way to measure consciousness, consciousness, period, right?

SPEAKER_03 44:08

In your life, yeah, 100%. So who knows where that consciousness goes.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

If it even exists in the first place. Because there's no way to measure that it's real.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

It's a simulation, man. Yeah, that's tough little science that I'm glad I don't I'm not part of because that'd be keeping me up all night.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope this podcast keeps you up all night. We're checking out now. And these are our departing.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

Good night. Good night.

Closing With Knock Knock Knock

SPEAKER_01 44:35

I'm writing like a god. Spirits nearer in the fear is near right back out of the mirror near me. I feel like they can hear me clearly. Ghost spirits and demons, what you're calling these demages being. They always all around. Up inside, floating in a fluence in the face. Flowing through not sure if I can see this through the dudes. When I was a kid, I had hopes go to real look, listen straight up wasted. But I didn't like the spirits in the fact that was waiting. Shut the knock knock, shut the knock, knock, shut-the-knock. Shut the knock knock, shut the knock, knock, shut the knock. Shut the knock, knock, knock, knock, put the buddy oh. Shut the knock, knock, knock, knock, put the buddy there. Move on over till I was wrong. They're everywhere all the time. Wait to get a set of fit to fight me, put the spirit struck. Like lightning, stunning my belief and wicked in my mind. I prefer to listen to my every single time. What's the request in the ghost? I don't think you'll ever know if the ghost is really road. What's this? Who are you, man? Why did you come here in the first place? Where's my school? Where am I? Where's my key? Who am I? Where's my jacket? How the hell do I get home?