Confessions Beyond the Food
Confessions Beyond the Food is a podcast about working in the Food Industry. People who work in the Food Industry have grit and lots of stories to tell. W3 Sales, a sales & marketing company, will host this podcast with their confessions on how they have a new, fresh approach and invite guests to confess their secrets to their sauce.
Confessions Beyond the Food
Faith, Family, Then Food - A Frank Conversation with John Franke
What happens when a chef known for speed, standards, and scaling brands decides to flip the script and live “God first, family second, work third”? We sat down with our friend John Franke—chef, leader, and founder of Franke Culinary Consulting—to talk about faith in a high-pressure industry and how convictions hold up when tickets are firing, clients are waiting, and home life is loud.
John opens up about the long arc from kitchen chaos to steady leadership, including a season when work paused, family tensions rose, and he had to choose surrender over spin. He shares how therapy and faith worked together, why boundaries are not posturing but proof, and how he measures success by integrity instead of applause. We unpack the shift from reputation with people to reputation with God, the daily practice of gratitude, and a simple idea that changed everything: enough. Enough time for family dinners. Enough humility to listen. Enough provision to keep moving when contracts fall through.
If you’re feeling frayed by the restaurant grind—or any hustle—this conversation offers practical steps and honest encouragement. You’ll hear how to set clear boundaries without burning bridges, how to lead teams without playing hero, and how to trust provision when plans take an unexpected turn. We end on a fun note with a candid food confession that proves even serious chefs savor simple comforts.
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Welcome to Confessions Beyond the Food. I'm your host, Nancy Redwin. Let's dig in and get inspired. Hi, welcome back to Confessions Beyond the Food, where we go beyond the kitchen and into the heart of what really matters. Today's conversation, we welcome back a guest that's been with us, John Frankie, founder of Frankie Culinary Consulting, a chef, leader, and mentor who spent decades shaping teams and building brands in the food industry. But what I love about this episode is where John takes the conversation, not just about success or strategy, but about priorities. For him, it's simple, but very powerful. God first, family second, work third. We talk about what it looks like to actually live that out, especially in an industry that often flips that order upside down. John shares how faith guides his decisions, how he stays grounded when the chaos hits, and what surrender really looks like when things don't go as planned. It's a conversation about faith, balance, and purpose. And I think it'll speak to anyone trying to keep what matters most at the center. So let's jump in. Here's my conversation with my good friend, John Frankie. Welcome. Thanks. Glad to have you on. So let's get started. So you have been in the game in the food service world for a long time. Long time. Chef, leader, now consultant. So how has your faith shifted or grown through all these seasons?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think it's been an interesting journey. You know, if you go back when I got saved, I was a chef, you know, and that was a bit of an interesting pill to swallow for a lot of people who had been around me and heard my voice and my uh my words come out and didn't really believe that I could be such a new in person. Then went on to be a missionary in Africa and then came back and you know had my moments, right? My ups and downs of being that Christian person that I could be in the business place, but then also holding people accountable, also uh getting fired up sometimes, and where you know I'd go from saying, like, oh my gosh, you know, I wish we could do this better to be like, you better do da-da-da, you know. And so many people that would maybe watch the and listen to this or run into me today, they go, There's absolutely no way that you are a Christian, you know, then. And so my goal nowadays is to make sure that there isn't a question about that. And that does not mean that I have to go and throw a Bible in somebody's face. I just, you know, to in my actions and my words and my sort of how I carry myself should be in a more professional, mature, gracious way that I think people say, huh, what is that? What is it about him that's a little bit different? So over the years, you know, the biggest challenge of being a chef has been and being a Christian is what I just mentioned. They were sort of going through the steps of what is holding somebody accountable and what is being a Christian, right? So somebody's consecutively late or they're doing just a really bad job or they have a bad attitude. Generally, you wouldn't go up and go, Well, let's talk about it. Well, go to church with me, and maybe your attitude will change. It's kind of like you're fired, get out, we'll do it to somebody else. So, not a real good representation of Christianity, but again, you're in the workplace. So it's like, you know, I I've never known how to sort of balance that. As a leader, it was always challenging because for the same reasons, and people will come to me for advice. And then you had to weigh, well, how much advice should be Christian slanted, and how much advice should just be sort of worldly or professional advice? And so, and learning how to sort of balance that a little bit. And then nowadays as a consultant, it's much easier because it's my business. And I, you know, I can I trust God way more than I used to. I put him first way more than I used to, and I understand how to do that uh and how what that means to me anyway. And so, again, it doesn't mean that I walk into every first meeting, any meeting with a Bible. I don't quote scriptures to people, but what I do try to do is I right up front sort of say, hey, look, something that's important to me is my faith. Something important to me is my family. And, you know, those two things are paramount over everything else. And I don't ever really have to do this. I don't have to say it. I can just act on it, is I'm not gonna answer your call on a Sunday. I'm not gonna answer your call late Saturday night. I'm not gonna maybe even answer it on a Thursday, you know, at 7.30 if I'm having dinner with my family. So all those things don't necessarily portray me as a Christian, but helps, you know, me sort of lay some boundaries around what I'm doing. And then if somebody were to say, hey, again, never happened yet, but like, hey, you didn't answer my email on Sunday, you know, I'm not like, oh, I'm taking a Sabbath. I can't, it's just like, you know, okay, I didn't, but you know, the reason was I was at church that morning. And I think it's a good opportunity then to talk to somebody about it, right? So so but it's it's been a challenge all the way through. And I think it's probably easier in some industries than other industries to sort of put on this Christian cloak, if you will, and and walk around, but at least in consulting, and I don't know that it's just so much consulting that's made it easier as much as the refocusing and reprioritizing my life around what's the most important thing, which again is God and then my family, and then consulting, right? Not work is first, my family maybe is kind of second or third, and God's kind of pressed down there, and I'll I'll see him on Sunday.
SPEAKER_00:It's a really hard thing to do. It's especially when you have deadlines, you know, the industry is fast-paced. So that's definitely a challenge. Absolutely. But I think once people start seeing, you know, if you live out your priorities again, I feel like it sets you apart and that they're like, wow, you know, look at how he is doing this, you know, and and a like you said, ask more questions. And and how are you able to do that and why? So I think that's a really great example you can set for lots of different restaurants that you're consulting with and the people that work there. And so that's awesome. So what does it look like for you to really put God first in your work, especially in a business where it's easy to get caught up in results and reputation, kind of what we were just talking about.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think it's tough. I think it's tough to say, you know, it's easy to say I put God first, and then it's sort of and then but but it's not so easy to articulate that and what does that mean, right? So I think uh in terms of like a reputation, the way I look at that is is I I have a reputation for those around me, uh, or the way people look at me, and it's that is not as important to me anymore as how God views me. What is my reputation with God? When I die and I go, you know, to the pearly gates, you know, what is what is gonna what am I gonna have to answer to? And so always remembering that, you know, I don't live every day in fear of dying and what's gonna happen when I get to heaven. I just want to live in confidence that God's got my back and that, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do the best I can for him. Um but I think in terms of the day-to-day, it's it's not easy in the industry to uh exemplify that and like I said, put on that cloak. Uh, but it's something you have to do. And I think um, you know, that the biggest thing is in terms of putting him first, and the way that I demonstrate that today, when somebody says, well, what does that mean? You know, and I've had that question people pose, like, well, what does that mean, putting God first? It means like what like every day you go to church, it's like, well, no. What it is is that what I'm doing is I'm excuse me, remembering that everything that's provided for me and every moment of every day is God-centered, and that you know, the the situation that I'm embraced with, how do how am I gonna handle that? What is my reputation to God gonna be? So I'm invited to come into a meeting, I'm invited to come in and help fix a brand. How am I gonna handle myself? What is it gonna be the most professional way? Is it gonna be again gracious, you know, loving, or is it gonna be really crass and and hateful or something, right? And even in a from a professional standpoint, Christian are not the you know, the second one's bad. But the point is that I'm doing it with an anchor in not because what's most professional, but but more so what is more godly. Um and that, like, you know, just driving here today, like noticing that God created the trees, the birds, the sky, the clouds, like that if I can see God in everything, that's a way for me to put God first. That when I wake up, he's the first thing I think about and the first person I talk, first, you know, entity I talk to, right? The first Jesus is the first person I speak to. So, you know, remembering that, uh, you know, giving thanks to him every day for everything, you know, my kids, good or bad, whatever they've done, you know, thanking him for my marriage, thanking him for my family, thanking them for just anything and everything. You know, and that always remembering, even more so, that yes, he's provided all these things, or he's you know, created all these things, that he's also provided for me a word that I like to use when I do talk about this occasionally is enough. Like God always provides enough. Like if enough for me uh is you know 10 bucks to get through today, then that's provided enough in terms of that financial enough, right? Now, I need more than$10 a day, but as an example, some people may only need, when I was a missionary in Africa, a dollar a day was kind of sufficient. That was the enough, you know. Maybe for you know, somebody like Jeff Bezos, you know, a million bucks a day is enough, right? So if this what is your enough? And then and then if if you find if you zero in on that, that you remember that God provided it all. And so if he provided enough for you, then he must provide enough time, enough patience, enough finances, enough grace to get you through that day. And then tomorrow comes and he'll provide enough again. And so this sort of always remembering that, so to help me be less frustrated if I'm speaking with somebody, uh, whether that be a family member, a kid, a wife, or a client, you know, just be like, you know, it life isn't this tough. You know, life isn't so one-sided. You know, there's always two sides to every story, and let me hear both, and let me God's gonna provide the patience that I need to help listen and to hear what's happening.
SPEAKER_00:That's amazing. The spirit of gratitude. I think I read that recently in one of my devotionals, and just having that mindset going through the day. And some days it's hard to find something to be grateful for. I mean, if you're hit with something really awful and tragic. And so there's a God that's here to comfort us. And so, and and it and mourns with us and and holds us during that time. So um, gratitude is such a great thing. Another thing that I love what you said is that you're not judging yourself on what man thinks. And I've I I struggle with this as being a salesperson is just needing man's approval, you know, and and performance and what this industry thinks about me, you know, if I if we lose a contract, or what do they think of me? And I somebody gave me this analogy that there's a throne. And it's like, who's on the throne, Nancy? Is it God or is it the industry? Is it, you know, whatever it is, even good, you know, it's not a bad thing, you know, that I love this industry. It's not a bad thing that I love my family. But if I'm putting them on the throne, then, you know, I've kind of got it wrong. I'm I'm not rooted really and anchored.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that's that enough, right? So like you lose a client, you lose a customer, you you lose a line of plate where it's that the belief that God will provide enough. And and I have uh said, not not directly to any client, but jokingly to some friends who are clients, and then I say it every day to myself is let's say I put out a proposal and I think I'm gonna get this gig, whatever it is, and it's X amount of dollars, and then I don't put all my weight on that. I say, this is a client that called me out of the out of nowhere, and I am giving them a proposal for X amount of dollars. And if they take it, that means it was meant to be. And if they don't take it, God's got my back. He's gonna provide enough, so he'll backfill it with another client. I'm never worried. And I use that word never, like I am probably once in a while thinking too much about it. Most of the time, I I'm I'm have to remind myself constantly, but that God is always there to provide. And I think that the more that I say that, and the more that I believe that, and the more that I believe that, not just with like a client, uh, not just because it's a proposal that's X amount of dollars, but it's with my family. Like God's provided enough patience, enough finances, He's provided enough to my kids to put them in the right situations, He's provided enough to my wife to get her the happiness that she deserves and needs. And if the more that I say that, and the more that I believe that, that the real test, like you just said, the real test is what if something goes wrong? Right? So if I keep saying that, and not just saying it to like put it out in the atmosphere, but like I literally believe that, that when something does happen, God forbid, like something happens to a child, to my wife, to family, anything like that, that now the true test is what will happen. Will I live that, or will I go, it's all God's fault, I can't believe that he did this to me. And I truly believe that I have the faith at this point in my life to bel that that there's a bigger story, there's a bigger purpose, uh, and that myself and my needs and my love for different people um are important to me, but it's not the grand plan. And so if I can live through something that happens that's pretty bad or really bad, that that will really show me that my faith is where I think it is. I don't want to be put to that test. But if I am someday, I'm hopeful that, you know, I'll live up to that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you're rooted and truth. And I think the daily, the everyday work towards, you know, inviting God into our lives and building that relationship. It's like with any friendship. The more you spend time with them, the you know, the more you you love them and you trust them, you know, it goes the same for God. And so, and when those hard times do come, you know, you're not just blown away by circumstance. So that's awesome. So was there ever a moment where your faith had to lead? Maybe it didn't even make sense from a business standpoint.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. So a lot of people have these like, you know, COVID, you changed me, blah, blah, blah. And for me, it wasn't necessarily COVID, but it was during that time period where it seemed like everything was coming at me. Uh it was, it was a lot of turmoil with my wife and I, a lot of turmoil with my kids who are getting older. And, you know, there I have two kids from my first marriage, two kids from my second, and like how that all kind of worked together. And uh a lot was kind of happening. And and whether or not that was because we were all stuck in the same house, I don't know. But it was that was the time frame right there. And I just was like, there's something's gotta give, right? I mean, it was just it was just like it was everything seemed to be falling apart. And then of course I didn't have uh work. I was I was a consultant at that by that point, and but those the few clients I had at that moment uh you know stopped working, right? It's like we're not doing anything, our restaurants are closed at the moment. And so um, so I had nothing to do. Uh I didn't have a work to escape to, you know, because where I had been prior, uh they were all you know busy doing to go packaging, all this stuff. Everybody was like working for half the price and half the salary and busting their butts to do everything. And so it was really where I said, I dug in, I said, I gotta find some help and found a Christian therapist. And like that was like the catalyst to see God do something to say if you will submit to me, if you will lay down and say, It's not, you can't control it anymore. Like I can't I I got to the point where like I couldn't control the narrative anymore with my wife, with my kids, with you know, my ex-wife, like it would nothing. I was out of uh out of sorts in a sense, right? And by by talking to a therapist and being like, okay, here's where I'm at, like it's just like chaos, right? And to kind of bring those things together and smooth them out and then God be along that ride. It wasn't just like, okay, here's the systematic scientific way to do this. It was like, you have got to lay down, you have got to find out what the root causes of this is. Where is God in this place? And that's when I was like, I don't really even put God in the equation. He was not really part of the deal. You know, it's like, yeah, yeah, he's in the backseat. Um, and that was a time where I started to see true transformation, like crazy transformation. And what I realized is that like I was doing a good job of blaming sort of everybody else for my issues and my problems uh and why things weren't working. And what I realized, I was like, oh, whoops, it's me and my what I need to do better, what what God is is opening my eyes to, and it's been a journey. I mean, that was five years ago. I mean, it's it's been it was probably two to three years of work, right? And so, and that's why I think it's so great about God is that if he needs to, you know, do a miracle, he'll do it. But a lot of what I see is that it's time and effort and patience and and and fortitude to get you to the point where God says, All right, you are really in this. It's not like I'm gonna do it for you. I'm gonna like guide you and open the doors for you and pass you through. And so just like this nice building, and there was you know ups and downs as it went up the trail. But like the last, let's say, two and a half years, I mean, it's just been like I can't, I have nothing to complain about. You know, it's been great. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So that's that's awesome. I mean, one degree, even if you could just go one degree a day.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it can really re- Yeah, there's something to be said for that for sure.
SPEAKER_00:So well, so let's get real. The industry can chew you up if you let it.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:How do you stay grounded and keep your face steady in all the chaos?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think I kind of mentioned that earlier, just like seeing him in all things, remembering that God's there no matter what happens, good or bad. Um that if it's a new client, if it's a client that I haven't heard from in a while, if it's something to do with my family, if it's something to do with friends or or ex-coworkers, whatever it is, that that God has orchestrated this whole entire thing. And I think that's what keeps me grounded all the time. And that, you know, one thing I I came to terms with, more from a professional level, and it and it really rings from a spiritual level, is that when I was running uh the the food service of a very large company and all these different brands and all these different chefs, and I sort of self-perpetuated work, right? Because what I didn't want to do is be at home. Like that seemed too chaotic to me. So, but I get praise at work, let me go to work. And so what I realized is opening restaurants and writing recipes and whatever else I was doing, leading teams, that I felt I was the only one who could do it. Like I was it. I was the center of this entire thing. And without me, the whole thing will crumble. Um, and what I learned to do then moving forward as a in a consulting capacity is realize, oh my gosh, I'm not the only person that can open a restaurant. I'm not the only person that can lead a team, you know. I am not as important as I thought I was, you know, and that was freeing for a lot of reasons. And so it's just a way that I have sort of re-looked at life to say, God really is in the center of all of it. He's the one that we can't live without. So I almost was like, I guess, in a lot of ways, looking at myself as like some sort of God-like person that could do no wrong, that could be the only person, the omnipotent one that can run this restaurant. Uh, and then when I was able to walk away and go, oh, they're still doing good sales, things are still happening, you know. Maybe it's not as perfect as I would have liked, but it's still going well. And so I've learned that, and I've learned that with my family, that you know, we've got to be collaborative in our decisions together as a husband and wife, and um, and even involving our kids in decisions that, you know, hey, do you want to do this? And not a big decision like you want to move to New York City, right? Like, well, I guess that you should ask them that, but you know, but like just trying to be communicative with everybody and be open and transparent with them. And so trying to me not like it's me, I'm the one, you know.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, it's hard to give up control.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it is hard to give up.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, and just the even the everyday, it's really hard. I actually have a verse in my car that reminds me that it's not about me. And so I'm I mean, I'm hard to remember that. Yeah, it is, and like, and because you typically when you do start can to control things, your anxiety just my anxiety starts because I put all this pressure on myself. And so yeah, it's just kind of a reminder of like, hey, you're not in control, and you've got to look up instead of like trying to always look inward.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and the more that you allow yourself to believe you're the only one in control, the harder it gets, and the more it is the harder it is to get out of that frame of mind. And that's what I have found. You know, I'm not a perfect specimen by any stretch of the imagination. I still have my moments, but you know, again, verbalizing it, speaking out about it helps put it in front of me to say, now it's now I'm holding myself accountable to this expectation, whether that's something bad that happens, like I mentioned earlier, or something like this, where it's like I'm saying that I'm not really the center of it. Well, I have to believe that. I have to, you know, live I have to live by what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So let's see. So when things don't go your way, um a project fail, falls apart, or doors closed, how do you practice surrender and trust that God's still got it? What are some practical steps you can do?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I think practically is what I mentioned earlier is just believing that he's got it under control, that that there's no reason for any nothing really falls apart. Nothing really goes wrong. It's just something has turned a different direction. So if you know you're driving along on a highway and God's with you in that car and you're good to go, and you have end up on the frontage road or you end up taking a detour, that doesn't mean that God's not there. That God's still there, right? It's like he's still part of this event that's happened in your life. And I think, you know, a great example of that is, you know, I was a like I said, I was a missionary in Africa, and there was a a time when we had we would get money for each month, our supporters would send, and there was one of the months where we had run it down to like 50 cents, like no joke. We and and to get in a taxicab to drive either to the ATM to get our next, like the next month's you know, thing was coming, uh, or to go downtown, which is another couple miles, to go grocery shopping. That's the same amount of money in the taxicab, which is the way they did it. And it was 400 franc. At the time, it's like, I don't know, 40, 50 cents, something like it was like whatever we have was 400 franc. That's all I have, like two coins, two, two hundred coins. And so we gave it to the guy and we said, well, we're just gonna the ATM, it's like a mile up, and then from there, we'll have money, we'll give the tax the next taxi driver some money and go to the grocery store. So we get to the ATM machine, we're out of money, and there's the ATM machine's broken. And I was like, literally the first time in my life where I've been out of money completely. Um, and it was like a really like this moment where I think back on it. I was like, okay. And it's like, oh, I trudged up the snowstorm to school. You know, it's kind of one of those cliche stories, but it's we had to make a decision, be like, okay, well, we got to get to another ATM. It's a couple miles away. Like, it's fuck up, you know, it's not like 20 miles. I mean, it's not the end of the world. But it was a moment in my life where I realized, wow, like God really was like right there, got us to the next one, no problem. We got the money we needed. And, you know, it's just it also makes me realize uh that I can that God provides enough. You know, that He provided enough to get the ATM machine. Jokes on us wasn't working, right? And so now what are you gonna do? You can freak out, say the whole world's crumbling, I have no money, what am I gonna do? It's hot out here, we don't have any water, we're gonna buy water with the money, you know. I mean, they said anything. I had no food, no water, no money. And I was like, oh, well, all the thousands of people I'm living around and helping and and witnessing to don't have any money either. They're figuring it out. So we can figure it out too. And so I think I remember just that those that moment specifically when something maybe goes a little bit off to the side. Like, could have been a lot could be a lot worse. You know, I got my I have money in my bank account, not worried anymore about running out of money and having enough, you know, gas money to get to the next stop. So it's a way to put it in perspective.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's a great way. So for someone listening who loves this industry but feels worn out or disconnected, maybe they do have faith, maybe they don't. What would you tell them?
SPEAKER_01:What I would tell them is to find if they're struggling, right? So they're struggling, things are not going well. I think the first practical thing uh is to is to look within, find out why are you struggling, what's happening, try to be as practical as you can about it, write out, you know, what I what did I do, what was I how was I part of this struggle? Uh, not blaming others for the struggle that you're in, and not just you know, pointing fingers to really look within, first and foremost, if you have the means, and even if you don't, there are churches and other organizations that have free therapy, you know, uh, you know, uh resources to go find a therapist. It's like the most incredible important thing to do that I've done for the last now five years plus, and you know, and just see someone that you can be open with and transparent with and help kind of you know talk you down and help you just realize that life isn't so bad and that to reprioritize. I think it's unbelievably important. And I thank God every day that He came into my life years and years ago when I went to church and got saved, and I was in the industry, right? I was chewed up in that industry, you know, and I thought I was the greatest thing and you know, and uh it really humbled me and brought me down to earth. And um, but I think reprioritizing from a practical level, you know, kind of look within, what can I do? How can I make things better? You know, is it is bad? Look towards other people that maybe have it worse, right? Um and then reprioritizing and saying, I need to put I need to bring God into my life. Like I don't know how else to help somebody that's it that is at their bottom, other than say, hey, like this is the person, this is the entity, this is the thing that you need to re-prioritize your life. Now, just because you bring God into your life, it doesn't mean everything gets solved either. You know, I think understanding that even as Christians, and and it's very biblical to say, like, almost life almost gets worse in some way, or tougher in some ways. But the the question is, how much faith do you have? How much have you reprioritized your life to realize, okay, I know this is bad, and I know I'm in a bad place, and I know I don't want to be here anymore, I know I just you know can't take it anymore. That if you go, well, that's at your bottom, that's where God wants to meet you, and God wants to bring you back up and prove to you that He is real, right? And so I just think that is the best way to look at it. Reprioritize, put God first, find some therapy, whatever order you want to do that, right? And then find a friend, find somebody that you might be dealing with the same thing. Uh don't get caught up on online social media, right, and like look for the answer there. Really talking to a person one-on-one and the right person. Not every therapist is right for everybody, so finding that right person, uh, and then getting involved in your church. I mean, it's like it sounds like an advertisement, but I mean, I don't know how else to get connected fully with God without having a community of people around you to worship and you know, come around you, you know.
SPEAKER_00:So Yeah, I I heard something recently and it made a lot of sense. It's like the one person that who do you listen to the most? Yourself. So if you have a lie that you're on repeat, uh maybe it's about yourself, the situation, or just being let down and just what I deserve. And and it just goes on repeat until you break that cycle. And for me, from a personal experience, I mean, it has only been God. I can't, I can't watch enough reality TV or um go shopping online, you know, even just doing really fun things like spending time with my kids that can feel that like, you know, turning to God. And and there's so many great recovery programs out there that at a lot of churches. So I mean, we can link some here on the podcast today, but I just really, really appreciate you coming on here and sharing your story. And I I mean, obviously, I think we all need to make sure because your priorities are reflected in what you do every day. We can say that this is our priorities, that God, family, work, but our our actions show that. And I think you've given us some really good tools to go back and look at reprioritize. So I can't let you go without a confession. So, what is your confession today?
SPEAKER_01:Well, we were talking about that earlier, and um, you know, one of the things you asked was like, What's my favorite food? I think that is a bit of a confession because um, you know, as a chef that sort of touts himself as this creative, innovative guy and done all these different genres of food and all these different menus and everything, and people ask me all the time, Do you cook at home? Like, do you cook the most creative stuff? And I said, never, you know, I never cook at home. Uh, my wife loves to cook, and you know, but if I had my dream like, you know, meal in front of me, it would be either a quarter pounder with cheese from McDonald's, or it'd be like this really thick, you know, super thinly shaved sh uh Virginia ham with American cheese and just regular old mayonnaise, Hellman's mayonnaise with white bread, and that is like, and then even take it next level and like kind of toast it like a little bit of grilled cheese sometimes. Oof, that would be like a confession of mine. It's like secret closet eating, you know, as like a chef that's supposed to be, you know, super innovative. The food that I love and eat, I would never put on a menu. You know, it would just be like, oh, I would never do that, like for somebody outside my house. But uh I guess that's a reasonable confession to say.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's a big confession, especially like having eaten a lot of your food at different restaurants. I mean, you would never guess that because your um your entrees are sick. So in a good way, I try. In a great way.
SPEAKER_01:I try.
SPEAKER_00:So it's amazing. So well, thank you so much for joining us. And if you guys check out his website, we'll also link that on this podcast. But thank you so much for joining us.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I'm happy to be here. Thanks.
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