Finding Your Way Home; The Secrets to True Alignment

Clairvoyant Penney Peirce on Harnessing your intuition & radical energetic healing

• Anthea Bell

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Dearest listeners,

What does it mean to truly transform? Lessons from a celebrated author, clairvoyant, and mentor...

This week on Finding Your Way Home, I had the immense privilege of sitting down with the extraordinary Penney Peirce, an internationally renowned intuitive guide, celebrated author and thought leader in the field of transformational consciousness. Penney’s wisdom is deeply rooted in her own incredible life journey - spanning from graphic design to clairvoyance, working globally to teach the art of intuition, and penning influential books such as Leap of Perception and Frequency.

Together, we explored:

  • The profound difference between change and transformation.
  • How to perceive life holographically, beyond linear thinking.
  • The power of "truth and anxiety signals" in decision-making.
  • Why honouring your "home frequency" leads to alignment and clarity.
  • Practical ways to trust intuition, shift perspectives, and live fully in the present moment.

Penney also shared moving personal stories, from overcoming health challenges to healing karmic patterns, and her vision for a compassionate, intuitive world where connection to self and others reigns supreme.

Her words are nothing short of life-changing, offering a toolkit to help you reconnect with the deepest parts of yourself, navigate life’s challenges and embrace the possibility of instantaneous transformation.

For more on Penney & her work:
Website: Penney Peirce | Live a Transparent Life
Books: Leap of Perception, Frequency, and many more—available at all major retailers.

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Follow me on Instagram @ab_embodiment or visit our website for updates, guest insights, and behind-the-scenes magic.

And to explore working together more deeply 


Sending love and light to wherever this finds you dear ones,

A x

what does transformation mean for you as you now understand it, It's very different than change. I always say, you know, change is like having a bunch of objects on a tabletop and you rearrange them. But transformation is adding a new dimension. Like we started off as a point, a lot of points create a line, a lot of lines create a plane, a lot of planes create a cube. Now what? We're shifting now into yet another way of perceiving reality. And it's spherical and holographic. And that's what my book, Leap of Perception, is about, it's at the core of what transformation really is. It's a perceptual shift out of linear thinking, you know, separate here, there, up, down, beginning, middle, end into the vast present moment where everything exists as a frequency. And what you place attention on drops in frequency and becomes physical or 3D. And what you take attention out of goes back out into the higher frequencies and dissolves. Welcome to Finding Your Way Home, the secrets to true alignment. I'm your host, Anthea Bell, movement teacher, mind body coach, and lifelong spiritual seeker. This is a podcast about the depth, weight, and profound healing power of connection between mind and body, spirit and soul, and from one human to another. Together with an incredible range of inspiring guests, we'll explore just what connection and alignment mean. How to get there in a world full of the temptation to conform, and how great challenge ultimately can lead to life changing transformation. Get ready for groundbreaking personal stories, conversational deep dives, and a toolkit of strategies to build not just your inner knowing, but your outer world. Let's dive in. Hello gorgeous listeners and welcome to this week's episode of Finding Your Way Home. We have a season of really deeply inspiring guests I feel like the luckiest girl in the world and today is no exception. I'm sitting in front of Penny Pierce. To my mind she is not only a celebrated author, a clairvoyant, a mentor, a spiritual guide, she's also someone that is deeply intrinsically in touch with herself, her aligned vision of the world and the role she's meant to play in it. To create lives of let's say, richer impact and greater peace. Penny is so beautiful to have you with us all the way from California. Please Say hello. Thank you. There I am. Okay. And I'm not in California anymore. I'm in Florida now of all places, which is just as odd., I don't know exactly why I'm here anymore because I came because my mother was, health was failing and, um, but now she's gone and, and, um, I'm still here. So I'm not sure, sure why. It's, um, it's one of the things that came through in our conversation before that you are very much intuition led. There seems to be a clarity for you in tapping in to that inner instinct. And I wonder if you've always had that. Not that I was aware of. I just, um, maybe I was a little impulsive. I'm not sure, but I would, you know, something would come to me and it would be obvious. And interesting and it wanted to happen and I would just do it, you know, and, and, or other things were really like, I don't want, I'm not going there. I'm not, you know, it'd be pretty extremely. evident. Would you say that signals aren't just signals in the mind and signals in the spirit, but they're also kind of signals in the body? Oh, very much so. I mean, one situation where I was looking at maybe working with a different, um, promoter in Japan, my whole chest contracted and I couldn't breathe, you know, so I would get Um, sensations in the different chakras, depending on what kind of a decision it would be. if it were a good one, it would expand and I'd get all like bubbly and like energy would release and move or spread kind of like melting butter or something, you know? And, um, so I always check with my body and if it's, if it, You know, it's kind of leaning away and contracting a little. I was like, this is not comfortable. I have a thing I call deep comfort. That is a state, maybe it's a state of alignment. I'm not sure, but it's not superficially comfortable where I can avoid something and not have to face it. The deeper comfort is actually going and doing it, you know, like, so I always relate back to that state. If I didn't do it, if I do do it, if I did it this way, no, if I, and I'll, I'll feel the subtle expansions and contractions. You just reminded me of a really beautiful distinction that's made in one of the forms of coaching that I do, where we talk about gross awareness on a physical basis. deep in the in the big tissues that sit on the outside of the body and then they describe it as subtle awareness of the physical body and that's much more how does it feel in my insides what am I aware of here and does it have a sense of rightness Yeah, yeah, I call it just rightness, you know, it's because other than right or wrong, it's like, is it just right, like appropriate. So I guess I've gotten down to even with small things. You know, um, like this morning we had our, you had daylight saving time and we don't have it yet. And so our appointment was like skewed a little. And I was like, are we on or not? And, and then I said, okay, well, it'll work itself out. And I went and did some chores and then I checked the computer and you had gotten back to me. And so everything just fell into place, I wasn't worried. You just, okay. I'll just keep walking, you know, and see where it comes. I love this distinction because the thing you bring to awareness is almost the pause at any given moment where rather than just reacting, you drop back and you check in and then you respond from there. the challenge that most people experience in the world is that they're going at such a speed and such a habituated form of behaving and being. That they never really give themselves the validity of dropping back, pausing the clock and sensing for that just right feeling that you're describing. Right. And a lot of times it's the speed that they're going at and the shallowness, but also the projected goal, and even if it's an unconscious goal, it's still placed in the future. So. then that makes you think you don't have enough time, right? And so you speed up. And when you bring things back to the present moment, you actually have plenty of time. You know, it's a, an odd thing. And by avoiding something, you have less time. I also always wonder whether when people live in that way, because we so naturally lean towards that slight negativity bias in the place of scarcity, It's almost a supposition of I am in control but I don't quite trust myself to be able to create these outcomes that I've attached to. So you get this weird kind of push pull where people move away from a connection to something greater that they trust to deliver abundance or joy or whatever it is. Yeah. And that strikes me as quite different from what you're describing, which is more of a leaning into the faith that ultimately, not only will it all be okay, but it's kind of all okay right now. Oh, that is really a great description. It really is. Um, yeah, I don't think I could have said that. That is really good. Um, It really is all okay now and, and my left brain is still in this kind of planning modality constantly of scheduling and checking and organizing and, you know, planning and all that stuff and, um, and then that's controlling, right? if I stay there in that part of my functionality, uh, I get very exhausted. I get anxious. And, and then I start distrusting, but if I stop, and I go back to the middle, and I open back into, I call it my home frequency, or like, just being really fully present as much as I can, um, and then noticing what I'm noticing, and then I see, okay, And why is this happening? This is not good or bad. It's, it's interesting. And, um, there's something here for me. You know, I don't have to be in that controlled left brain constant, measuring it on my calendar and all of that. I can relax and let things have their own way. Like there's a reason something wants to be at a certain time and not the one we thought it was, you know, but also don't you feel that lately, there's been a lot of shifting around timelines and time points, you know, like, um, just what you think it's all laid out for, you know, like I had the book relaunch my 15th anniversary edition of my book frequency. We worked and worked on that. It was all this like stuff in a row that had to be done and then it launched. And, um, but there were a lot of times where it just was a big mess and. Okay, we'll reach the deadline, you know, and just keep staying happy and calm and support the other people. And it did. It just like suddenly things speeded up and all the events happened simultaneously with everybody or somebody went on vacation and then everybody slowed down a little bit. It's like the flow has a consciousness. I've had the same experience that time has been interesting in the last, I'd say, especially the last six months. Partly because I work with people in a coaching modality where we bring online the body and the mind and spirituality and sort of energetics. What I think my slight personal bias is, is that in the co creative container, you create big jumps and transformations that don't really make sense within the time frame of how long you're working together. But before we started recording today, you know, we were talking about the collective. And the, the world that has been created, uh, and that is evolving around us. And I think since COVID, the sense of aggregate suffering and confusion and really heightened emotionality, that feels to me as though it's having an imprint on how we perceive time, how we perceive political structure, how we perceive ourselves, whether we feel safe on a kind of fundamental physiological level. And so that scramble. makes a lot of sense to me relative to what you're describing about the book launch and and what you've been picking up. And how, how does that, do you think, why does that affect time? And I, I know it as a frequency phenomenon, you know, as frequency expands and gets higher and faster that we don't have as much ability to suppress the subconscious mind and all the fear based experiences and wounds that we've had before. And they're all kind of in the conscious realm now and floating around, like in a big garbage dump or something. And so it's affecting us. But time wise, that's an interesting thought. Do you have a sense of how that's working? Well, for me, it comes back to the idea that my perception of time is deeply subjective. And so relative to where my focus is, my experience will be that time speeds up or time slows down. And if, for me, if I imagine the collective and the power of the collective conscious, the way that that is at the moment anyway, then it seems very logical to me that you'd have collective experiences of time doing kind of strange things. And of course, when we went into the pandemic, we had a vivid example of that because in some senses, time ceased. And actually also in some senses, there was a quickening of, uh, of activity and, uh, And, and frenzy and polarization. So yeah, for me, a lot of this is subjective, even with things that we think of as concrete, like time or materiality. Yes. I see that. I see how, you know, the COVID thing was incredibly important globally for a shift in consciousness. And that sense of, um, it's seeming like things were slowed down in the physical world, but speeded up in the internal realms that people were facing things and going through things. But also going back to this intensification of the subconscious stuff hitting the conscious mind. Well, that's fear. And that's also polarization. And It causes an increase, I think, of the split between self and other, or inside outside. The outside world is so big and chaotic right now. What am I going to do? It's going to affect me. It could hurt me. And then, let's get together with our like minded others. You know, and if that's the fear based people, then they're going to get violent and get really stirred up because they're afraid, you know, and one of the first countermeasures to fear is anger, frustration, anger, and violence to displace things. So, and then the others who are getting clear, who are opening up more, um, are calmer and stop, they're stopping their engagement with. Polarization as much as possible, you know, but each time that I feel myself going into that oppositional thinking, it makes me tired. I just almost go unconscious. So I pull out of it and get re centered again, and then come back to the way I like to feel. And then I start adding that into the world instead of the other. So for you Penny, from what you're describing, the state that you are in and what you're exhibiting, That has a palpable impact on not just the people that are in your immediate circles, but on the wider collective. Is that where you sit with that question? Yes, because I feel that things are not so linear anymore. Things are in the present moment, and they are like the present moment is becoming so huge. It's encompassing the past and the future. Everything's in there in that ball, that present moment ball with us now, but just at different frequencies. So we have everything, really, with us in the moment. We're saturated. All we have to do is place attention on it and it comes forth. Take attention out of it and it goes back into the background, into the field. So, materializing things is very easy now, if you understand these principles, but in terms of sending, you know, energy or healing or something, I don't do that anymore because that's linear. And it's, it operates out of the concept that I'm here and the person in Europe or, you know, the Middle East is way over there. And so that's going to take willpower. And I don't really believe in willpower anymore. I believe more, I feel it's turned into just simple focus. Or a choice. So how does that happen for you? You focus on a frequency that you would really love to bring into yourself, your body, and the world, and then that creates its own ripple. That's right, but ripples are still linear. So what I feel like is that I go into a state that I just really love and I enjoy being in. And even thinking from like, like I sometimes use just playing with a puppy, you know, or, um, or just being in a beautiful flower garden or something and just looking at all the flowers and loving them and just thinking, look at how beautiful you are, like, how did you get to be this way, you know, and I get into that state. And then it's like, I just. I think of the whole field as being in my ball, all the people, and everybody, the earth, the center of the earth, all the creatures, everything's in the ball. And it has a tone, it could have a tone, that I can set from my center point. that's a set of instructions to the whole ball. So I like practice with like a tuning fork in my head like ding, you know, and, and it's like a sound and it's sometimes a texture, like, like a kinesthetic telepathy is what I call it now. It's a feeling state. It's not in words. And I almost like just turn on the light switch. And it lights up in every particle of the field at the same time. I don't send anything anywhere. I'm adding this particular frequency and the emphasis on this frequency in my huge ball, um, as input, you know, or as something that will surround people. And if they want some of it, they, they'll start to notice it. I love listening to you talking about it, because one of the things that stands out for me is that to try and describe this in words, in some ways, is complicated and slightly insubstantive because what you're describing is such a felt, like you're saying, kinesthetic is such an embodied experience. You're making me smile a little bit because the client that I've just seen, we did a practice that I do. We were talking, you and I were talking about this the last time that we connected, which is to really tap into a place of energetic resource and fullness and joy and freedom. And we practiced that together, her and I, today. And after this recording, I'm teaching the next session of my group container. And we're doing that with all of the emotional states today. So we'll be looking at anger, We'll be looking at jealousy, we'll be seeing if we can get people to feel the fullness of those. And it is incredible because the tide, almost like you're in a jury service situation where one person has an opinion and they create the ripple throughout the rest of the crowd. They will converse to believe the same thing. It's the same with what you're describing, that if one person inhabits that space and arrives as that, the impact is enormous. I've been doing that with my dog, who was, you know, a rescue and, um, was a stray in her early life and, and had to leave her people because the old lady was getting, going blind. So when I got her, she was very aloof. And so I just started to, um, turn the light switch on in the field of my house and, and in her and in me. And I made it kind of a. a really golden, bubbly, happy, warm, tactile, safe place. And then I, you know, I did things in the physical world, but I did that mainly in the non physical realm. And she has really responded and is getting a personality back, you know, which is, I didn't do a whole lot. You know, to try to train her or anything like that. But animals are so receptive to frequencies. Well, they have no resistance. No left brain to worry about. When we were talking previously, you know, one of the things that really stood out for me is that you've applied approach, an approach of non resistance at every moment when your professional development has expanded and pushed you more and more into terrains that for some people would be cognitively quite challenging. What was your pathway from arriving into the world as this abundantly curious being into where you now are clairvoyant, mentoring, published author, like, give us a bit of that journey. Hmm. Um, it maybe started when growing up because my father was a kind of management consultant for a very large corporation that had a lot of subsidiary companies. And we would be moved every two years so he could fix another company and then we'd move on to another one. So, I was always the new kid. And we did, and I was, lived everywhere from, you know, Ritsey, North Shore of Chicago to a farm in Kansas, you know. I went to the last one room country school in Kansas for a little while. Amazing, you know, variety of experiences. And, um, My mother was an artist and an architect, and so we, I had a, and my father had been a civil engineer, so very grounded. Um, but then I studied design, and I became a, an interior designer, then a graphic designer, and, um, and then I went to California to, um, CalArts, which is Disney's kind of dream school, and I, they had an experimental program there called Social Design, That is now, I think, called design thinking at Stanford, I'm not sure, but, you know, we would do things like redesign the elevator so people would talk to each other inside of it, or redesign the doctor patient relationship, and things like that, which was perfect training for intuition development. And, um, and then graphic design also was because I would have to feel, get a logo for somebody and, and a typeface that would go with their vibe, you know, and I didn't know, but I was training myself. But, uh, so I ended up leaving, leaving a corporate job. And coming back into a self employed graphics, then I met Kevin Ryerson, who's a very famous trans medium. And I was starting to take classes on, um, you know, clairvoyance development because I was pretty visual. I thought, well, I'll try that. And I was good at it. And then I worked with Kevin and we had almost like a spiritual center at my home and lots of people coming for sessions and groups. And then I thought, well, that's what I'm going to do. But I could never get an entity that would come through me and channel and it didn't work. So I ended up doing this under my own steam. You know, like, well, I'll figure out how to get it myself. And each thing was like, not scary, but a new thing. Then I started working with a group called the Center for Applied Intuition and started working with a scientist who was doing research at Stanford Research Institute. And we did readings on different kinds of questions, and he had a lot of intuitives who did these things separately. He would bring those reports together and make an intuitive consensus report out of all of the different, um, responses. And then that got sold to Japan, and then they needed somebody to go to Japan, so there I went. And I ended up working there on and off for 23, 25 years. And that was huge for me. And Penny, this is teaching Japanese corporations about how to accentuate intuition? Yes, and doing private sessions for executives, and then for the general public, and schools, and things. I would love to know, maybe for the listeners as well. How do you help someone to build their intuition? I mean for me it's, it's innate and I know the practices that I have but what's your methodology for helping people to build that? Um, to be able to focus on, um, those glimmers of what you, what you suddenly get, like a moment's sense of something and catch those, but also to focus like we talked earlier about on the body I call it truth and anxiety signals. And to read that and to take a decision for instance and imagine projecting yourself into into it as though it's the real thing happening to you and see what your body does. And then try the different option for that decision and then try another option for that decision and whichever one you kind of light up and lean into and expand, that's probably it. You know, you got to start trusting these things and not let your left brain negate it. But it's a, you know, it's It's a lot about that self trust of how you get through to yourself., There's also so much in what you're describing about validating your own importance. That in this living experience, you're sort of the lead character, um, and you're allowed to design your life or live your life in a way that really does give you primary emphasis. I would wager that a lot of the people listening probably are still living within a modality that says they're more important than me. I, right. I have to agree with them to be safe and all that kind of thing. But I had, um, pretty, I don't know, open minded parents, not so much so, but they were, um, somewhat fluid. But also, I'm a double Leo, so, um, you know, part of it is I just wanted to do what I wanted to do. And luckily, I have a Pisces moon, so that makes me, like, ultra sensitive in a lot of things. So I just followed the You know, breadcrumb trail. Yeah, but it just led a lot of places. I started traveling around the world doing train intuition trainings, all kinds of trainings and and meeting people and doing private sessions for all kinds of people working with interpreters. There were so many subtle lessons that I learned how to cooperate really well, you know, and other things, and, and especially working in the East, and I did work in South Africa for a while as well, um, there's a humility that you get by seeing that the reality is like 180 degrees from the way yours is. And it's a perfectly great reality as well. And then you put them together and it makes this really fantastic reality. You understand the left and right brain or, you know, yin and yang. After doing a lot of readings, I started seeing how things were accelerating, how people were changing over time. And I started to understand what transformation was. It just, it came to me gradually. And then I started writing books. And every, I'd finish a book and then I'd wait and then another, it was like a plane waiting to land. Oh, here's the next layer of the description of how this works. So then it would just fall through practically, what does transformation mean for you as you now understand it, It's very different than change. I always say, you know, change is like having a bunch of objects on a tabletop and you rearrange them. But transformation is adding a new dimension. Like we started off as a point, a lot of points create a line, a lot of lines create a plane, a lot of planes create a cube. Now what? We're shifting now into yet another way of perceiving reality. And it's spherical and holographic. And that's what my book, Leap of Perception, is about, because this is what I think transformation is actually. It's at the core of what transformation really is. It's a perceptual shift out of linear thinking, you know, separate here, there, up, down, beginning, middle, end into the vast present moment where everything exists as a frequency. And what you place attention on drops in frequency and becomes physical or 3D. And what you take attention out of goes back out into the higher frequencies and dissolves. And things are speeding up. And these kinds of shifts of consciousness are starting to happen to more and more people. You know, for instance, if everything's in the present moment in your ball, then healing is instantaneous, or could be. Getting answers is instantaneous. You know, a year ago, I was thinking, I would really love to be able to read the Akashic Records and find out all about kinds of things. And then I thought it was out there way out, you know, you had to get to it. And then I realized I'm in it, like I'm sitting in it. It's in me. You know, I don't have to go anywhere. just find the frequency. And often a lot of times when I have a question, it comes, I think, out of there anyway. You know, so I don't have to reach, but I can,, become more pure, more pristine in the energy, like super crystalline diamond, like, and then even set that diamond energy into higher frequencies. And it's being that and then things start to be revealed and it's all tactile. It's it is somatic, you know, to get into those states, you have to prepare your body to be able to imagine those states and vibrate to those states. And does that relate to also how you are with your body on a day to day basis? So are there ways that you tend to your body that are critical to maintain that level of clarity and purity? I'm not so good at that. I would like to walk more and do more physical exercise, but I end up getting so distracted with tasks, you know, I do a lot of things myself, um, so I need more, more air and nature and, but I've really reduced my food intake. I just don't need to eat as much and especially of heavy things and, um, like pasta, I can't even get it down anymore. It's too heavy. Certain things either too waxy, uh, you know, or my body, I can tell immediately that that truth or anxiety signal, even before I even see the thing that it's my body doesn't want it and that I don't want so much. And, um, so I've just, I've stopped. Drinking alcohol, I've stopped drinking coffee, and just tea, tea and juices and water and just, I don't know, simpler things, that has helped a lot. It's an amazing level of willingness to let go of your want. I mean, that's perhaps a whole nother topic. Or have the wants change, be able to let go of an old habit so that you can redefine what want is, you know, you still have preferences. But maybe the thirstiness, the drive is no longer in the same direction, like you're saying. Yes. That that body, um, habituation to a certain pattern of behavior and then that pattern really craves, you know, that let's say food or that kind of workout if you're a, a workout person, that you have to have it. Well, maybe you don't this week, maybe just go for a slow walk with a camera into the woods or something, you know. I'm a big proponent of variety. I think it keeps you alive and keeps your mind active. but then too much variety and you're overstimulated. Things mean something. I don't just go unconscious around my environment. I have a relationship with it. You know, like things are meaningful. It doesn't just happen. You have to invest attention, pay attention, you know. It really sounds like you're emphasizing significantly choice. The fact that we always have choice, the fact that it's important to exercise it, Well, choice is how, where you put attention. That's what comes alive for you. So attention comes right after choice. So I'm curious, penny, what would you say to, to someone that is navigating challenge in the body or navigating challenge in personal relationship?'cause on that basis of. where we place our focus is the experience that we have. How does someone begin to work themselves out of a pattern of suffering? Well, I think you have to realize that it's possible to put your attention on something else and that it can become real. It can substitute in for the one that you, you're doing now. And, and I've had an experience of that in the past year of having to heal a heart, my heart from a heart surgery and Listening to the doctors telling one thing, and how it could be just downhill from here, or I can go in myself and look at it and feel, and tell the truth about how I actually feel, and what I am here to do, and what I'm, I want to do, and what I'm going to do, and then how I like to feel in general, and I strike the tuning fork of that state of being, and I bring my heart into that. And things are shifting. I mean, I am healing. And, I know I'm still working with the doctors and medicine and the other, because there's certain things in the physical world that are important to have help with. And then, sometimes it gets too, um, unfeeling. The doctors are so busy. They don't pay attention enough, but, I'm always finding respect in For everything, try to respect everything, like I did not want to get some kind of defibrillator, I knew I didn't need it, but they were so, well, this is your chance to do it, you know, and otherwise you could die, you know, like not yet. I think, you know, depending on what kind of illness you might have or, or, um, emotional issue, if you can get centered. And feel that your true self, your soul self, is not wounded. It will come out like through a white hole in all the particles of your body and fill you with energy. Your own truth, if you focus on that and it will displace and dissolve the untruth that you might have gotten from other people or just from the history of the planet being a seemingly place of suffering and you forgot about joy. Um, you can change that over and it's, it can be more instantaneous, but sometimes you just have to live it for a while. Let it gradually unfold so we don't scare ourselves. you know, and be kind. So much of what you're saying and you're describing it in relatively expansive terms is also more and more supported by neuroscientific study, somatic study, the impact of thought patterns and imagery on the way that the body harmonizes is proven time and time again. Every, um, study that's done into pain. management or healing, they confirm these ways of seeing that you're describing. And I find sometimes that the most tricky thing for someone is to recognize what they might be Receiving from a challenging experience. And as soon as we can switch into that aspect of both awareness and gratitude, cognitively, a huge amount begins to change. My feeling is that people get their agency back because they're able to see in that slightly more dispassionate way You just get more space. Right. That spaciousness is very important because when you get too crowded and cramped, your left brain is, you focus more in the left brain, you know, um, and then you go into fear and separation. I think, respect is the word I get, which is also kind of understanding and communion experience with, you know, even the cells that are going awry in a certain area, or I remember one time cutting my finger when I was chopping vegetables and I instinctively or intuitively, I had my right hand put down the knife and go over and put the cut back together and apologize to my left hand and said, I was going too fast. I'm so sorry. I hurt you. And then I, I came in. I started sort of running energy. into both places and into where the, the cells were in the cut and said, you know, why don't you just, I know you're in shock, you know, why don't you just kind of go back to where you were and we'll, you know, get that back together really quick here for you and send some energy in and, um, you're okay. And it just kind of like took the, the shock out of those cells. And, um, and it just like had the right hand love my left hand. In the left hand, sort of, I'm okay. And it went away. That didn't even make a scar. It was healed within a day or so. One day or two, it just went back together. And um, I feel like when we grant things consciousness, you know, and, and love them, that they respond, you know, it's just, they get happy and things. go back to their normal state., in the pain work that I do, and I actually tend not to use that word because it's so stimulating for people that it's not that useful, but when someone is experiencing a strong physical sensation that they have a leaning to reject, one of the phrases that I use often, even in my own body, because I had 10 years of chronic pain before I started to realize that I could shift is, um, dear one, welcome, welcome, welcome. I see you. I accept you. I'm glad you're here. What do you need? What are you trying to tell me? So I start having a dialogue and all I do is drop into the deepest presence with that part of me as though I am physically coming to inhabit it from the inside and there's almost a sense as I do that of I'm just really going to let you feel whatever sensations you want to feel. I am not going to make them good or bad or right or wrong. And I feel my whole body just open. The experience is over probably within the space of a minute or two minutes, and my state at the end of it is entirely different. I'm no longer in resistance. I'm in deep acceptance and embodiment of everything the system wants to create. Yes, yes. And I think there's another kind of part of that was, which is to ask the, like I sometimes get a weird thing, like a tense muscle right here in my shoulder. And if I go in there and say, uh, why are you, are you contracting right now? Is there something that set you off? You know, what is this a response to something that I didn't recognize? Do I need to? Become aware of something. What are you showing me? Because it's, I find pain or any kind of contraction or odd sensation, frustration sensation in the body is in response to something. You know, and it, it could, it could be a fall, but the fall might be required for you to get in touch with the thing that's under the surface. I had a client say that to me the other day, actually, that although she wouldn't have consciously wished for her, knee trauma, it was what got her connected to three practitioners who have now become the reason that she has evolved and transformed in such a significant way. So for her, she's. profoundly grateful for the thing which no longer feels important at all. Right, right. I have a slightly unrelated question, but I would love your experience on it. What would you say to someone that notices that they're in a dynamic with another person, which on some level is punishing or minimizing or an unhealthy power dynamic, but they struggle to extrapolate themselves from it? What would your take on that kind of a situation be? Because I imagine a lot of the people listening have. Those figures, either one or multiple in their lives, as we all do, you mean like how they can hold it in their own mind so that it can start to shift? I always just go back because I think some of it's karmic. Like, it's happened in past lives, and a certain kind of dent has been left in the energy body, you know, um, and, uh, and that's been preserved because then that re, that kind of situation has repeated in various ways, maybe much less severe, but reminding them of that same or original situation. And so it keeps getting validated. I was going to ask Penny if that might be the reason that people have such a strong somatic experience in those contexts, whether it's a contraction of the diaphragm or seizing of the belly. Yes. Um, and I have a friend who's very, very intuitive and a great healer and, um, she has had a terrible problem with fibromyalgia. And every time it rains here in Florida, which is a lot, she would get worse and couldn't get out of bed. And I said to her, I don't think this is about your present life at all. You know, I don't think this is meaningful for you. You don't need it. It's not doing anything for you. Except to try to remind you of some past experience. And so, uh, And I said, you know, often this is because people have been beaten up or hurt very badly physically. And so I said, you know, you can just drop it like a cape, you know, you know, it's, you don't need it to wrap it around yourself and hold it there. Just, you can drop it. Well, she, the next night, had a dream where she was, um, Long ago, had been beaten very badly and left in a forest to die under a tree, and it was raining on her, and she got the entire feeling of that whole death experience, and as soon as she saw it and woke up in the morning and got it, she realized, this is old. And. I think she must have taken her attention out of it and just said, I don't need this. Because she has not had it again, ever. She has not had one ounce of that pattern, which seemed chronic. And that's how fast things can shift when you get at the core pattern and truth of it, that you realize it's not pertinent. And it was trying to show me something, whatever that was about her persecution or whatever had happened to her before. So it's that awareness piece. That comes through as profound clarity, even in dreams, oh yeah, because I've gotten a lot of my, my own knowledge through dreams. Um, but yeah, I wrote, um, two dummies books on dreams. A dream dictionary I wrote, which is fascinating to do. Um, but that has now been shifted over. I did an ebook called Be the Dreamer, not The Dream. And it's quite a, a substantial guidebook and in a workbook in a way too. I still do so much dream interpretation and I, Dr. I interpret things during the day that seem like dreams. I remember you saying to me, Penny, last time that we spoke, that you're someone that has an intrinsic trust in the world. You've never worried that you wouldn't be okay or that it wasn't safe. You just know that it's all right. Well, I get intuitive hits that things aren't safe, but I don't go down that path. I don't test the waters that much. I don't really feel like I need to. What would that, what good would that do? I'm sure I've done it many times before and faced it. if it did bleed through and come in, I would do what came to me to do. But, I really, especially these days, with the frequency so high, and I'm seeing even the snags and the things that are frustrating, are all evolutionary. And they're perfect. They're just right for me getting the next thing and clearing a little bit more of something that's in the way. And so I've just gotten into this cooperative mood, you know, with things and it brings clarity. It's, I don't think it's foolish. I'm not Pollyanna, you know, thinking it's not magical thinking. But And I agree with that. When people come up with these really negative scenarios and are all living in anxiety about what's going to happen, I check in and see, is that needed to happen? Does it need to happen? A lot of times I get, no, it doesn't need to happen because the frequency is preventing it from actually becoming real. Have you had challenge Penny with skepticism or people that are coming from that left brain? Oh boy. Oh yeah. Especially with business people in the early days. And that I was a woman and I was blonde, especially in Japan. Oh, they couldn't listen to me because I didn't know. But then I had, about two years later, an executive. He was sick and I, I don't know why, I gave him some diet or something to follow. And he did! And he said, I'm, I'm healed totally. I have no more problem and thank you so much. And he came all the way from another city to give me a present and thank me. But, yeah, I have had a lot of that, and, um, especially in the days when all the people I worked with were trans mediums, you know, and they, you know, had that drama around them, and I didn't, I was just plain me. But then that time came where channeling kind of lost a little bit of its glamour, and direct knowing started to become more, it's something everybody could do. You know, and so I think that's, you just have to keep going. And do you feel now that the environment that we live in is more generally accepting of these more elevated states of seeing For some people. I mean, I've been heckled in my talks by Christians. You know, so there are people with very fixed beliefs that can't see parallels between what they believe and what I'm talking about, because I'm not against Christianity or anything, but things that are too fixated and, and stuck, practically speaking, they're not going to work much better. There's going to be a need for the real, true, um, integration of the spiritual realm in the physical realm and not separating it into this other thing out there that's so much higher and, you know, better than here, because this is a place of pain, you know, and suffering. No, it doesn't have to be, you know, um, so with formal religion, I think it's a step forward. That gives some security and all of that, but then you start to maybe look a little beyond that or what have, what do they all have in common, especially when all the, these paths began, what was trying to be made available to people through a certain path. And it's all similar. I find that such a brilliant and fascinating topic because I've been in different forms of spiritual community or. connection or methodologies over the course of the past 15 years. And to me now, it feels as though each one of them is the most wonderful conduit, but that ultimately the attachment really should be to the thing that we're aiming to access more than the way that we get there. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I suppose in that sense we could say that the work that you do is another beautiful example of that, that you're tapping into something greater, deeper, more curious and expansive and that the how is personal to you or personal to clairvoyance or channeling or whatever it might be. But that we all have the capacity to, to get in there and maybe what the universe does is it offers us the best route, the one that's going to create the least resistance to help us to tap in. Right. Yeah, I would maybe call it practical mysticism or something, because I, I feel like every religion had a mystic version of it, and mystics within it that, you know, I think with mysticism, you don't need priesthoods, you don't need the middleman or the person who says, I'll tell you what it is, you know, you go there yourself, you're that you go direct, and it's available to everyone directly. The divine God, Jesus, who, Buddha, whoever you want to be with, just put your attention on it and you'll get messages or, you know, be friends with those beings. And, um, you know, so I'm all for speed and I, I, I think that intuition is better than AI. That's for sure. somebody asked me why I had said we're shifting from the information age to the intuition age. But I think we're moving from the left brain into the right brain, but we're not getting rid of the left brain. We need it, and we need technological advancements, but I think that when you have the heart and the right brain connected and open, and the left brain, we're going to get to a place where technology is compassionate. You know, where it is, You know, resembling the best of humanity, but right now it's not, you know, it's, it's separated. And so eventually these paths will meet at some point. It's fascinating because I'm aware that we're recording this at a period of time where there's a lot of tumult in the political landscape, both in the UK and globally. And I've been listening to a fascinating book that's almost like a treatise. And it's positing that we need to come together as a species and decide our core values and our core principles and those need to be oriented toward deep human connection and compassion and intimacy and love. And that if and when we're able to do that, the outcome for us as a species will be unparalleled and certainly will be the antidote to the degree of suffering and self imposed crisis that the world is currently speaking. Right. It is self imposed. Well, I think it's, it's going to happen in layers. Like right now we're clearing ourselves as we clear the fear away, more of the soul consciousness comes through. So more light. And that's why people are talking about light bodies. And that sort of thing. And I wrote a book on transparency for goodness sake, you know, it's like, we are becoming clear. and when that happens. Especially when more people who are in those wavelengths come together and see each other without ego or judgment and say, Oh, you're so good at that. You hold that puzzle piece and I've got this one. It fits together like this. Oh, and this one comes in and fits together. And here's some work we could do together. I call that the convening that people start showing up in your field when they are of the same frequency as you. I mean, they just kind of pop up, you know, like somebody tells you about somebody and you call, Oh yeah, now you're my best friend, you know, and, and then the groups I'm finding are starting to connect. We've got overlaps., It's a, an internal networking kind of thing. And you can still stay very individualistic and do your own thing. And be part of this collective movement into what? Enlightenment, I guess is what I'm thinking. But it's all, enlightenment is not just the head, it's the warmth and the compassion. And I do think compassion is kind of the evolutionary force now. And it sounds as though there's a unity within all of those groups that they're oriented toward a particular mission. Which is to elevate consciousness, maybe. Right. In any way, maybe it's to create more water for, for people, or, you know, um, heal pets that have been abused. It all adds in. And especially, I think, in the animal world, taking care of animals and plants and trees is like so nurturing for the planet and for us, you know, and then there's all these greedy people who are just after money and are mowing things down. Just killing animal. I, you know, I'm not like a, I don't know, a do gooder, but I see the impact. I feel the impact And I also feel the impact of courage of people who have done courageous things like Joe Biden stepping down from the presidency, from running for the president. That's a local thing, but it's had a, um, an effect globally. I could feel it was one of those turn the light switch on into true greatness and humility and something a nobility I think nobility is an underrated quality now that is coming back into its own. It's so beautiful when it happens. You know, you just, you know, you just love it. It reminds us of who we are, you know, and so I'm, I'm all for help, helping create that. And it's not ego, you know, at all. I'm really curious on that basis, maybe as a final question for you as to the principles or the values that you live by, if you were to just name a couple of them. Kindness, for sure. Surprise. self entertainment, um, ethics, and that comes from respect. You know, you don't get ethics unless you respect the core heart soul equality of every kind of being that the same sort of force it's inside the tree is inside my coffee cup and love it and and and then receive the love that there's unending love for each of us. I think of the gaze of all beings coming onto me or you, and it's so, and it's not invasive. It's just creates this field of belonging and respect and love. And then you feel so good about yourself, you know? So somehow that all mixes together into some kind of worldview for me. And I don't, it's not that I don't get upset or frustrated, but I try to return to the to that state as often as I can remember to do. But yeah, and it's partly also being open to the things that are, that you are giving to yourself as your next steps, and that we are giving to me as my next step, that it's just right for me, even though it might seem really big or really small, or my left brain doesn't like it, but go and do it anyway. So I don't know what that is, but it's, It's like courage, I guess, again, or something. Yeah. That one is courage. That one is the willingness to step outside of your identity. The one that you've been wearing for however long you've been wearing it. Step forwards into the possibility that. The work that you're here to offer is more important than your attachment to staying at a certain size or in a certain shape. Yeah. And it does take courage and clarity and intuition as you've been talking about. What are your next steps, Penny? If I was to ask you that as our closing question, the next expansion for you? I know that I want to finish the Money and Transformation book I've been working on for a couple of years. It's finished, but it needs editing again. but that is going to, Have an effect, I think, uh, because it's a different view. It's, it hasn't really been, I don't think, addressed. So I feel like I want to keep writing and maybe a memoir that weaves in past lives with the present life and shows something about a multi dimensionality to who we are. I've got a lot of ideas, but I also want to travel again. I haven't traveled for a while and, um, but I used to be gone a third of the year. So that, but maybe there's other things that'll come in that I'm some art form or a new kind of talent or something. I don't, I don't know, but I feel like things are going to be emerging and yeah, but I can't see ahead too much, but I do know that there's some sort of weaving going on. I'd want to be involved with. And maybe that's what you're describing of. Focusing your attention on the sensation, the experience in the body of expansion, and then just trusting that the actual outside practical bits will come into place. Right. It's almost as though you see the grid inside yourself and then it keeps on going out all through space, you know, and hooking up and this networking with nod, nodules and things. And it just is so vast that why keep it just here? Let some more of it in and see who's in those nodules and see what might, you know, ideas are going to come to you. You know, the weird thing is the phrase that's just dropped in as you were speaking is, what is it like when we don't take it all so seriously. To not have to make it all adult and formal and known and pressured. And there are dangers, I think, energetically and, um, globally that could hurt the planet and, and yet I trust the flow. Like I know there's. the collective is kind of like an oversight in also in a way it understands the harmonious evolution of things and it understands when something can get in the way of that and then we all who have consciousness or whatever come together to help that um shift slightly so that another another outcome can easily occur oh penny pierce what You are and it's so wonderful to have the time to sit down with you. I'm really grateful. I'm grateful too. Yeah. Yeah. Your energy is so calm and wonderful and expansive. Thank you so much. All right. Listeners, we love you so much. I'm so grateful that you're here. Please drop us a message with any questions that you have, any way that you want to get in touch with Penny. We're going to be bringing you a season of stunning, stunning speakers, all with, uh, Gorgeous little blend of the personal, the professional, and the deeply spiritual, because I know what you guys love. And I will connect with you very soon.

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