Finding Your Way Home; The Secrets to True Alignment

Kane Wise - The Mind~Body hacks to Entrepreneurship - what does it take to thrive...?

• Anthea Bell

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Gorgeous Listeners, welcome to this week’s episode of Finding Your Way Home,

Today's episode is a special insight - into the life, soul & body practice of one of London's leading Health-Entrepreneurs, Kane Wise. 

What does it take to build a truly successful business - from its earliest conception, to proof-of-concept, right down to the moment it lands on the "shop floor"? What are the key philosophies, disciplines and self-connective practices that support someone to not only believe in their own vision, but radically back that vision in the face of real adversity and uncertainty? How do mind, emotional and body-based practice critically support someone to expand, and find the strategy & grit needed to keep going?

In another of our cosy sofa-side chats, we sit down with a man who has lived all of this in recent years - and exponentially expanded his self-knowing and manifest reality in the process. Want to learn about yourself? Try creating a business in one of the most commercially-challenging climates there is, during a global pandemic...

Kane Wise is a serial, solo-preneur specialising in the health and movement space. The Founder of Hytn, Vitamina Lab and his soon-to-be-released new baby, NAD - he is passionate about the role of lifestyle, mindset and his world, supplementation, in fostering people's full, potent potential. In our conversation, we dive into: Kane's personal journey in the realm of business; the challenges he had to navigate as he followed his mission; who he now knows himself to be and why living from that grain of authenticity is the only option. It's a conversation of deep heart, reflection and incredible takeaways for those of you building their own empires. I can't wait for you to listen!

And - a special note of appreciation goes to the incredible Epoch Fitness Studio (a gorgeous London Pilates-hub) and its Founder Dmitri Tkatchev, who as you will hear had an instrumental role in rebuilding Kane's physical capacities after some game-changing injuries. You'll find the details for Epoch below; if you're in town, it's worth your time...

To find out more about Kane and his work:

Visit his instagram: @kane_wise
Check out Vitamina Lab: https://vitaminalab.com/
Check out Hytn: https://hytn.co/

To find Epoch Fitness, visit: https://epochfitness.co.uk/ 

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Kane:

It's that thing around your circle. Yeah. And the company you keep and, you know, show me your friends. I'll show your future. If you have people that when you spend time with'em. You kind of, after you've finished that whatever time period, it's, do I feel energized? Mm-hmm. Or do I feel drained? You know, has that, has that been a productive kind of encounter for me? And listen, not everyone's, not every single encounter has to have that value. Mm-hmm. But you would hope that the majority of the time you feel energized. You feel like you wanna spend more time with these people. Yeah. And, and they're encouraging. You have an encouraging circle. Yeah. And often you need to lean on that. And I've got friends that, you know, there's, there's just the same as any other job, arguably, probably more with entrepreneurship. You do have to have people to lean on.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

And if you are turning to, to them, and. You know, they're not the right people. They're not securing themselves, and they kind of wanna bring you down to the dumps as well. Mm-hmm. Then they're more inclined to kind of take you away from that journey.

Gorgeous creatures. Welcome to this week's episode of Finding Your Way Home. This is the first release that we are making fresh from certainly my return back after an incredible 10 day experience going utterly off grid. And as you can hear, it's done something interesting to my voice. So we'll see if this new, uh, depth of tone sticks. But I'm really, really excited to bring you today's speaker. Kane Wise is a serial health oriented entrepreneur. He has become a dear friend. He is also a dear client, and it's a really special episode. It's his first ever podcast appearance. He normally prefers very much being the behind the scenes creator, but I couldn't resist the opportunity to get him on to really find out a little bit more for you guys about the path of entrepreneurship, how you hone your. Perspective, how you refine your business evolution, how you really evolve the identity that you need to live from and through in order to be successful in business. Kane's journey with this has been one of deep personal passion. He was a former corporate. But he comes from a family as he talks about a family that are very rich in, sole proprietorship business. And, uh, he has this deep, deep fuel and drive for fundamentally making human beings more optimized, more physically potent. More healthful, more happy through particularly the world of supplementation. So he walks us through a little bit of his journey with creating the products that he has, Heen vitamin, and soon NAD. Um, he also tells us a lot about his personal journey. So really what took him into this line of work, what uh, happened within his body that really required him to look at it on another level of dedication and. Some of his key mentalities, particularly the gritty oriented ones that have been required for him to persevere. It's a beautiful episode of Soul and Insight, and I cannot wait for you to hear it. And after this episode, you will be receiving an entire season of speakers who are gonna be releasing for you on a week by week basis. These are some of the juiciest most beautiful conversations I've ever had the opportunity to have, and I can tell you this much. We are now lining up our speakers across the course of this summer, and we are not stopping there. So I cannot wait to go on the ride with you. Let us know how you're finding it all. And for today, I introduce you to the beauty and insight of Mr. Kane Wise.

Anthea:

welcome to Finding Your Way Home, the secrets to true alignment. I'm your host, Anthea Bell, movement teacher, mind body coach, and lifelong spiritual seeker. This is a podcast about the depth, weight, and profound healing power of connection between mind and body, spirit and soul, and from one human to another. Together with an incredible range of inspiring guests, we'll explore just what connection and alignment mean. How to get there in a world full of the temptation to conform, and how great challenge ultimately can lead to life changing transformation. Get ready for groundbreaking personal stories, conversational deep dives, and a toolkit of strategies to build not just your inner knowing, but your outer world. Let's dive in. Welcome, gorgeous listeners to this week's episode of Finding Your Way Home. I am nestled on my sofa with one of my favorite humans, which is a real privilege and an honor. Thank you for joining us. This is

Kane:

Kane Avenue. Is

Anthea:

Kane's first. I think it's your first podcast, right? First podcast ever. First podcast. So this is someone who much prefers to be behind. It seems rather than right. Visible in the center of the camera, but mm-hmm. I think it's really important to have the opportunity to hear the voice of someone who is so, passionate in the mission of bringing deep, systemic health to a much wider audience. So, for those don't know, Kane is sort of a health entrepreneur, right? He's the, the founder of two really beautiful companies, one called Heen and one called Vita. And we're gonna ask him to tell us a little bit about. Them and sort of what the inspiration for those was. And I suppose part of the story that I'm curious for us to also dive into is your pathway into the realm of being an entrepreneur.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

You did not start with this as your chosen field and absolutely

Kane:

not.

Anthea:

Not right. Yeah. And my understanding is that like me and like many of the people that I know that are now doing very big visible things in the world, you actually started out, you know, behind a desk. Mm-hmm. Another kind of anonymous human. And that there was something that shifted in you where you really wanted to lean into what, what is my unique. Offering in the world and can I be brave enough to follow then this course, which involves the most phenomenal degree of not just creativity, but bravery. Mm-hmm. And the willingness to really back yourself.

Kane:

Absolutely.

Anthea:

What was that journey like for you going from being within that kind of corporate space to, to stepping out on your own?

Kane:

I had fortunately a little bit of a crutch. To do it with, with my brothers, both my brothers starting their own businesses. Mm-hmm. So it was really, it was kind of my turn. So I, fortunately I've come from a family of, of entrepreneurs. Yeah. Dad being a, having his own business selling classic cars mm-hmm. Stepdad having his own business foreign exchange, and then my two brothers starting their respective businesses as well. Okay. So it was almost like my, my calling, my turn. But it was really, the opportunity almost found me over Covid. Mm-hmm. Where I think along the hustle and bustle of life, we, we fall into the routine. Yeah. We don't get an opportunity to sit back, take a breath, and go, okay, is this, is this really working for me? Mm-hmm. And so that pause was kind of introduced over Covid. It was, it was such a funny process thinking back in now because. I, I always said before getting into foreign exchange, which is what I did for six and a half years this was never my end goal. Mm-hmm. So I actually went into it under the premise that I'm not gonna stay here forever. But especially with that particular field, you can feel very pigeonholed with your skillset. So you kind of flirt with what, where can I, what's the transfer like of skills? Where can I, what can I do next? So that's probably more aligned with the bravery side and that jump and, and risk. But it was really, again, over covid where it's just you. Mm-hmm. And we're all working from home and I think a lot of the kind of coping mechanisms for that particular industry. Is the environment. So, you know, it's, it's not as glamorous as the Wolf of Wall Street type things. It's really just you pounding the phones and trying to get business. But when you have a bad call or whatever, you, you tend to lean on the exterior of friends and, and others around you, and you laugh about it and you kind of brush it off. Mm-hmm. But when it's me on my kitchen table

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

Going through it day to day, day to day it, it just, it really kind of. Unearthed that I'm actually not really enjoying this much anymore. Mm-hmm. And so it just got to the point where I was literally getting outta bed in the morning before even starting anything, before brushing my teeth, anything. I'd sit on the edge of the bed and I would just sigh. And then it got to the point where I just said, right, okay, this, this can't be it. There has to be something else.

Anthea:

I love that. This can't be it. I feel like I am born into the world with that feeling like it can't, it can't just be this, come on. There has to be. More and obviously doing the work that I do and that we do. Mm-hmm. You are always aware of the, when we talked about this a little bit, this kind of craving side of you that's like, I really am itchy for the next hit, or I'm itchy for the next win. Like that was one of the phrases that you came in to, to see me with of like, yeah. What's the win? Like, where can I find that? And when we were talking about it originally, it really had that flavor of like, I have to have this. Mm-hmm. Otherwise, the day doesn't have its satisfaction factor. Mm-hmm. It's that substance. It's that substance. But I do also completely agree with you that I think that there are some of us that are just born into the world with a feeling of like, there is meant to be more than just this.

Kane:

It was, it was, it was exactly that. Mm-hmm. It was like, there was always kind of a yearning to do more

Anthea:

mm-hmm.

Kane:

And ultimately create.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

I, I wanted to create something. And that actually stemmed very early on, even before FX days.

Anthea:

Mm-hmm.

Kane:

A friend of mine, we wanted to start a clothing brand. Oh,

Anthea:

no

Kane:

work. Yeah. This explains all of this. Yeah, of course. This amazing ath that I'm wearing now. Yeah. He's straight from boxing. That's why we're seeing him. Yeah. Bear with me. But. Yeah, so we, we wanted to start this clothing brand and called it movement studios and,'cause I think there's actually more to do with domains that are available. And the whole kind of concept was subtle but loud. It was our kind of mission statement. So very simplistic design, but very kind of loud fabrics and things like that. Mm-hmm. So that was kinda the first, I guess, taste or flavor I had of, of trying to do her own thing. Mm-hmm. But I think. Quite topical, kind of the, the family or external pressures that come onto you mm-hmm. When you're trying to do your own thing or, or going against the grain. Mm-hmm. Respectfully, at the time we, we had no business plan. There was no real idea around it. We were just kind of, you know, kind of winging it. We did the virgin, how old were you? I think we just fresh outta year 21, 22. Ah, it's so little. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cool. So, so we kind of, we, we went through the rounds of that and we did the Virgin Startup Scheme. We were looking at that, and then I think both of our families kind of came together. We lived one road across, both our families came together and kind of said like, go and get a job. Yeah. So kind of fair enough and also sink your teeth into something first, understand what the corporate world is. And there's also an element of, you know, going through that process. Mm-hmm. Almost similar to kind of relationships where you have to go through understanding what you don't like in order to find and appreciate what you do like, and so we, we definitely did that and then started in recruitment and then did foreign exchange. Mm-hmm. And then, yeah, as I said, got to that point where I thought, okay, we need to, we need to do more. And now's now's the point, now's the right time.

Anthea:

And why was it that Hytn and I mean, tell us a little bit about those, those products. Yeah. But why was it that that particular realm of. Health was so important for you. I mean, you are, you are kind of your own brand ambassador in some ways. You, you have brand ambassadors, but actually the way that you live, from what I know mm-hmm. Is totally consistent with the messaging of your products.

Kane:

Yeah.

Anthea:

What's the, what's the reason why that, have you always been really fascinated by mindbody?

Kane:

It was kind of my, Gym was always my vice, gym was always my, my go-to my sanctuary. My stress mechanism dealing with stress. Obviously we've, we've changed that slightly now. I'm trying

Anthea:

to soften him out slightly.

Kane:

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I kind of getting into the, the physical side allowed me to tap into the mental side Great. A bit more and, and have that kind of journey. And then. I actually, I, I wrote down, I had another lovely friend of mine who's very mindful, should we say. She actually has an app called Mindful, which is no mistake, I'm sure. Okay. And she, she prompted me to write down, do a spider diagram of I. Kind'cause I was, I was speaking to her about, you know, what do I do next again, how do I take this skill set and where can I transfer that to? And she said, do a spider diagram of literally, you know, what your aims are, ambitions, likes your traits, everything. And I've still got it now, the kind of journal with it. And there was a, there's a big hole in the middle and all of the kind of lines off the back of it are fitness, wellness, at the time, weed medicinal therapeutic of course. And like all of these kind of more physical traits, a little bit of the holistic side but like definitely centered around wellness. Mm-hmm. What we know of wellness now, in terms of all encompassing. And the funny thing is putting. Kind of what I do now, or both businesses slap in the middle. Yeah, it all links. Yeah, it all makes sense. So yeah, Hytn was my, my first business and, and birth child,

Anthea:

which I love and I use and I highly recommend. Highly recommend, appreciate you.

Kane:

So I launched with, well actually before getting into it properly, I said to myself before, whatever I do next, mm-hmm. It has to align with my goals, ambitions, and I have to be passionate about.

Anthea:

Mm-hmm.

Kane:

And then arguably, you know, another key pillar of that is become a, an expert in your field. So I did around six months of research. Mm-hmm. Industry regulation. I look and set up the infrastructure, supply chain, things like that. And then kind of came across CBD quite an interesting way. Funnily enough, I was in the gym shock and hurt my knee. Not anything due to form my form is, is pretty good. Just kind of, just

Anthea:

so that we know it wasn't him.

Kane:

Just show aware the form is it didn't squat badly. Yeah. And so, I came back I came back home and. My mom had this like CBD balm and I had very, very limited knowledge about CBD at the time. And she said, why don't you try this? I said, sure, you know, I'll try nothing once. And so anyway, I put up my knee. Next day I wake up, my knee is like brand new and I thought, okay, C, b, D. So then I spent six months doing the research, setting everything up and. Again, at the, well, still very much presently. My brother has gaffer creative agency, so he had an amazing team of, of kind of graphic designers. Mm-hmm. And they were able to do the branding and everything. So that was kind of my crutch. Mm-hmm. Into industry. And then, yeah, pretty much three months after that he was born.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

Yeah, we started with three CBD oils in different strengths. Mm-hmm. And then more so as an entry point, because that at the time seemed to be kind of all that was out there. Yeah. And then around. A year or so after launching, I always had the kind of idea or or concept of how nice it would be to have A-A-C-B-D diffuser. Mm-hmm.'Cause I was really into like my, is it like homeopathic or like Yeah, yeah. Run with that, whatever it's,

Anthea:

yeah.

Kane:

At the time. And I thought, how cool would that be to like, combine. Essential oils and CBD. So same thing, like went down the rabbit hole of research and everything and was able to kind of formulate and did the r and d and we made the, what is the world's first CBD diffuser.

Anthea:

It's so beautiful.

Kane:

Thank you.

Anthea:

It's, well, it's also just a really beautiful story because that there's so many lessons there about how kind of humble and curious and dedicated you really have to be to, to bring something.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

Off the ground.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

You know, I'm really aware whenever I'm talking to you that you and I similarly have come from family context where there is really high expectation on output. Absolutely. And in some ways I think that that's such a gift because it means that you are born into, into legacies where you are pushed, you know, my, in, in my family, the idea of having brains and not. Alchemizing them. Mm-hmm. Not doing something with them. That is, that's almost sinful for my family. I come from entrepreneurs. Mm-hmm. I come from extremely successful people in finance. Like, and, and in, in one way. I think it's wonderful. And in another way it kind of sets the monkey on your back, which if you're regulated and stable mm-hmm. You are able to, to navigate that and, and stay in a place that understands your deep intrinsic value. I think the flip side of that can be, especially with. Entrepreneurship specifically, where often it's single founder led initially, at least before it gets that much financial backing. Often it is iterative. The first product doesn't work, and so then you make the next, and you know, it's that constant refinement thing. I think that can be quite grueling for people from, from an emotional perspective. For sure. I wonder if if you've experienced that, obviously you've gone from heightened. Now to vitamin, you've also got a third product that's in development right now. Yeah. So you're kind of on, if we take in the clothing brand, you're kind of on your fourth baby. Yeah,

Kane:

yeah.

Anthea:

How has that been as far as endurance resiliency, emotional to like toll?

Kane:

It's kind of one of those things, there's, there's a lot of beauty in kind of the other side of pain. And I think personally, my, you really, you really have to hone in on what you enjoy about it. Because the majority of the time you are losing mm, you are, again, how you frame that. But, you know, in, in the wider kind of world's perspective. You know, you are up against it the whole time, so it's, it's trying to find your little wins.

Anthea:

Do you think there's a part of you that enjoys the adrenaline of that feeling of like, you are, you are in a fight of some kind?

Kane:

I think it's kind of managing the expectation. And that's something I've definitely learned through through each business and through each product. Especially like its earlier stage. Mm-hmm. The expectation is this is it. This is, this is us and we are gonna blow straight away. Like

Anthea:

relationships. Yeah. It's exactly the same like the first date you're like, this is the one. Yeah. And then obviously the, the nooks and the crannies come out and you're like, okay, maybe Absolutely, maybe not

Kane:

because you, you invest that emotional side to it.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

So the, the kind of experience or XP points comes in where you remove the emotion. Mm-hmm. And, and kind of take it for what it is and, and appreciate the good when it's. When it's going well. So like I say, it's enduring when it's going against you and enjoy when it's going for you.

Anthea:

But for you, it sounds like this choice to be an entrepreneur or to be someone in the kind of creative industries, it's the only choice. It doesn't sound like going back to a desk job is

Kane:

No, I couldn't

Anthea:

like slow death.

Kane:

Right. It really is. It's death by a thousand cuts. Mm-hmm. For me personally,

Anthea:

yeah.

Kane:

I mean, I would, I would. Probably think that other entrepreneurs kind of feel the same way in terms of there is no going back. Mm-hmm. It's kind of unplugging from the matrix. Mm-hmm. And I often have this conversation with, you know, my, my kind of closer friends where I say or ask the question or kind of prod them to say, you know, is this, are you good with like, kind of more the corporate side when they're in their corporate life? Mm-hmm. Or do, is there a yearning in you? Is there something you want to do or, or get into and. You know, lean on me or lean on my network, or, you know, kind of anything I can do to help. It'd be nice. You know, I, I wanna also somewhat play the role of Morpheus in Matrix that I want to, I want you to experience, even though it's, it's predominantly a lot of pain. You know, once and again, I'm, I'm not at that finish line yet because of the parameters I've set myself, but there's definitely been wins along the, along the journey. And they're way more impactful because I've created them. It's all stemmed, you know, from me and, and obviously leaning on other

Anthea:

people around me as well. So we were talking before we started the recording about control, and it feels like in what you're describing there is this wonderful distinction between agency

Kane:

mm-hmm.

Anthea:

And control. That control is maybe the place that we can get a bit edgy when we're in fear or overwhelm or fatigue or any of those things. And I, like anyone else, have exactly that same propensity.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

But in bringing something forward, that's yours, that's your brainchild. It is a radical agency taking rather than being subject to the forces of. An employer or mm-hmm. You know, the expectations that your parents might have had. I'm curious what you've learned about yourself in the process of all of this production. Mm. What would you say are the kind of key learnings you've had about you as a human being?

Kane:

I think definitely the, some things have been affirmed. And some things you find out mm-hmm. You only find out by doing. And the things that have been affirmed are, I think through the, the kind of the physical side through the gym aspect. It's the tenacity, the grit, the ability to endure. Mm-hmm. I, I definitely have that. It doesn't mean it's enjoyable, but you, you get through it. But also finding what really aligns for me, and that's the premise of why I got into doing what I'm doing because ultimately I found that my main passion, my main kind of points for or motivation is to create. Mm-hmm. I find most joy when I'm creating, and it's, it's actually more in that process of taking something from a a, a thought. To render, to a sample to market.

Anthea:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,

Kane:

that, that kind of journey. I actually, I think I'm actually obsessed with packaging at this point. Yeah. And branding. I just, I've got a real love for that. But yeah, having something tangible is from, from concept to, to, to real life is. That's a big bit of gratification for me.

Anthea:

It makes sense to me as well, because I know you as someone that is, in some ways, and this is a really good thing, you're quite beauty oriented

Kane:

mm-hmm.

Anthea:

In your, like, you like living nicely. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, you, like, your objects being, being beautiful. You, you cultivate that quality in your friendships. Like there's a, it's almost like there's an attention to quality.

Kane:

That I

Anthea:

feel is quite intrinsic to you. I don't think you would be comfortable with putting something out that isn't at your very exacting standards. Yeah. And I wonder if that's also part of the satisfaction of bringing it into reality, is that the finished product is Alex beautiful? Do you know what I mean? I'm curious like how that balance is for you alongside what I, and this is my total bias.

Kane:

Yeah.

Anthea:

What I perceive to be another really big motivator for you, which is human connection.

Kane:

It's a really good question. Mm-hmm. So it's, it's around, I think, again, on the quality piece. It's even from, from a product that's a piece of me. Mm. You know, I wouldn't put that out there in the sense of like a physical product if I didn't believe in it. Yeah. Just the same as, I wouldn't put it out there in a relationship dynamic or friendship dynamic. In terms of even a statement. Mm-hmm. Like if I didn't believe in it. And ultimately I, it's, it's that thing around your circle. Yeah. And the company you keep and, you know, show me your friends. I'll show your future.

Anthea:

Oh, I like that one. I've heard that one. So

Kane:

I stolen sorry. But it, it's that kind of reasoning behind it, you know, with if you have people that when you spend time with'em. You kind of, after you've finished that whatever time period, it's, do I feel energized? Mm-hmm. Or do I feel drained? You know, has that, has that been a productive kind of encounter for me? And listen, not everyone's, not every single encounter has to have that value. Mm-hmm. But you would hope that the majority of the time you feel energized. You feel like you wanna spend more time with these people. Yeah. And, and they're encouraging. You have an encouraging circle. Yeah. And often you need to lean on that. And I've got friends that, you know, there's, there's just the same as any other job, arguably, probably more with entrepreneurship. You do have to have people to lean on.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

And if you are turning to, to them, and. You know, they're not the right people. They're not securing themselves, and they kind of wanna bring you down to the dumps as well. Mm-hmm. Then they're more inclined to kind of take you away from that journey.

Anthea:

Yeah. I really, I really agree with that. And I'm also kind of internally smiling because I know that you and I are both workaholics. Yeah. Which is this terrible kind of basic label. In some ways, and it also is me really recognizing that I struggle to understand that balance because I'm so passionate about what I do. Mm-hmm. There isn't really a cutoff point for me equally, you know, when you've got a product out on the market, it's kind of the same thing. Absolutely. But you also just kind of. Making me think therefore, that, like for workaholics or for people that really lean into that, actually noticing that you need to lean on other people can sometimes be the bit that gets missed or we're a bit slow.

Kane:

Mm-hmm. Slow. Slow is the word. Slow is the word. Yeah. I

Anthea:

don't often notice that my tank is. Being depleted because in my mind at the time, there is a bigger priority. Mm-hmm. The bigger priority is looking after someone that comes to my door or the bigger priority is focusing on my meditation.'cause that's gonna get me into a really super regulated and also expansive state.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

And I think that then speaks to your circle and in some ways do they know you well enough to kind of slightly safeguard for you as well in recognizing that they might need to nudge you to say, Hey. Just checking in. I haven't heard from you in a couple of weeks. I think you might be dying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And, and having that kind of, that trust and that, that springiness in the friendship

Kane:

mm-hmm.

Anthea:

That there's a really equal degree of care.

Kane:

It, it is how much you give, right. In terms of Yeah. That they need to know enough about you. Yeah. You would, you would've had to have given them enough for them to understand, ah, you know what not heard from them in a while.

Anthea:

Which is a really key distinction.'cause we're not talking about giving enough as in like, I am the only one in this relationship that is of service.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

Because I think that's also your tendency. Yeah, for sure. But we are saying, I give them, I give them enough of an insight into my life. Mm. And I, I'm open enough with them in the moments of vulnerability mm-hmm. That they'll watch for that in the future. So it is, it is very mutual.

Kane:

Mm.

Anthea:

Did it take you a while to learn how, not just to give, but also to be able to receive?

Kane:

I'm still learning to receive. Okay. To be honest. Good. Through our work and, you know, just having impactful conversations. Yeah. But that's, that's definitely a process because I think, and similarly in business, when it comes from a place of kind of almost, almost, almost wanting where you wanna close this deal or, you know, you, you are wanting a result. Mm-hmm. You want to give to get it.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

And more often than not, you need to actually be okay with. Kind of either you need to be okay with either result, and that comes across in a very different way in terms of your pitch or how you angle or, you know, other businesses I'm, I'm speaking to and trying to pitch and navigate. There's an underlying energy that comes across. Mm. There's an aura that comes across. Yeah. Whether it's a place of desperation or, the flip side to that, you know, utmost confidence and you know, okay, cool. You don't want it, don't want a deal. No problem at all. Let's, let's move. I'm, I'm confident, secure enough to know. Not only the value in kind of the product, but the value in me as well.

Anthea:

Did we talk about this? So there was a really interesting book that came out recently and the, the writer of the book was talking about these kind of two key factors that they found in, in scientific study around what it takes for someone to trust you and essentially. In any sales negotiation, even if we're calling it sales, what we're talking about is what's the level of reciprocity and trust

Kane:

mm-hmm.

Anthea:

That's here between us, that allows me to say yes.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

That's also actually the case in, in a therapeutic context. It's not a sell, but, but there's, there's some overlap. And what they found as the two factors is competency number one. But warmth is number two. Mm-hmm. And they actually have to be an equal balance relative to the person that you're speaking to and how much they rate either of those two things. So if you're dealing with someone who is much more on the brain oriented, masculine, testosterone driven scale, you may have to amp up your competency with data, with statistics for them to really buy in. But you do still need to have enough warmth for them to believe it. Yeah. And one of the things that you're making me think of is that when.'cause I've done a lot of study into the, into the body and into the nervous system and how it is. Scanning for us all the time so that my body is not just listening to your words, it's listening to the vocal pitch that you use and it's listening to the speed of your cadence and it's looking at the openness or the closure of your eyes. so if we go back to what you were talking about with sales, like. My body feels calm.. That's what is created. My body feels calm and therefore able to trust you. If I read that, you feel calm. Yeah. If you have that blend of competency and warmth, but without being pushy, without it coming from fear or need, my body will know that much more deeply than the words that you speak and I think that that can be really tricky for people when they're first in this game, whatever their industry actually.'Cause even relationships involve a certain amount of sales and manipulation

Kane:

with, with, with integrity and honesty. Hope you hope. Oh, we hope. Yeah. We hope. Exactly.

Anthea:

But Sam and I, my wonderful photographer and videographer, we were talking about this difference between someone speaking what they want you to believe and someone not having to speak it because it's inherent in their way of being.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

And we've talked about that phrase easy Joe before when we talked about sales. And I feel like it's exactly to your point, you have to be confident and comfortable in what you're putting out there. Which is always gonna be relative to your own metrics

Kane:

For sure. For

Anthea:

sure. Of what you would buy or how you would buy it, or what you think is important in the world.

Kane:

Yeah. And I think it taps into that kind of. That's where the, the confidence comes from. Certain, from my side is being an expert in my field.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

Within, within the business side. On the personal and relationship side, that's an ever going process. Yeah. But the confidence on that side I think comes from like, and it is a little bit of a kind of cliche, but like being like true. Mm-hmm. But that's just a kind of top line underneath that is. Recognizing those feelings. Yeah. That feeling of warmth. And also we've, we've all done it. We've all been in situations where you have an encounter with someone and you all going go, what was I thought, what did I say? Yeah. Yeah.

Anthea:

You go into autopilot.

Kane:

Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm trying to kind of operate amongst the two. Mm-hmm. Business and personal from a place that I am, I'm me the whole time.

Anthea:

Mm. I love that.

Kane:

And. It's, it's a funny one. I find it easier on the relationship side. Yeah. Or, you know, friendship side. On the business side, like you say, different people require kind of a different amounts of the warmth or the stats. So it's, it's kind of your ability to read which person demands what from you.

Anthea:

Yeah. And that I, it took me a really long time to get my head around. Selling generally, but I remember someone saying to me to help me with it'cause I had so much of kind of ethical confusion around any form of what I would've considered to be manipulation. And they said, look, if you don't make it clear what is available to this person, they can never benefit from what you've brought into the world.

Kane:

Mm.

Anthea:

So you have to, to a degree, be willing to stand in what you've created. And it's the same in relationships like. Me over here, I have to be willing to stand in my value as a partner. Mm-hmm. Or as a coach or as a friend. In order that they get that, in order that they really receive that. If I'm timid about what I have to offer, they'll never really get that in its full force.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

Which means I, in a way, I deny them. And there is a fine line between making it clear and then putting pressure on someone. And I, I do not advocate that.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

Because we're talking about someone's individual agency to choose.

Kane:

Mm-hmm. People feel that, I think though

Anthea:

they so do

Kane:

the pressure, it's whether it's a body language thing, whether it's the actual, you know, verbalizing whatever you're saying. Mm-hmm. They, they can feel when they're being sold to, or, you know. That trust piece, I think.

Anthea:

Well we, I remember when we first started working together, one of the things that you outlined to me was kind of some of your core values.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

We've touched on a couple of them actually so far in the recording, but I remember you describing your family context and kind of talking about almost this, like there's, there's a real like tribal kind of protectiveness mm-hmm. That is like inbuilt in your family system. Mm-hmm. Which I adore. But so much of it comes back to that integrity. Peace.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

I wonder if you talk about why that's meaningful for you, that kind of, that honesty, integrity piece.

Kane:

I think immediately what comes to mind is my dad.

Anthea:

Tell me

Kane:

about so my dad being a classic card dealer in Essex, he's had to navigate quite a lot of SSI would never guess. Yeah. I never guessed it. Hybrid Prius accent. But he. He always drilled into us from day one. Your reputation's, everything. So you know, never, never, obviously there's white lies, but like never lied, never do anything kind of against your word. Your word is everything. And my dad is a kind of person that really stands behind that, but I think that really translated to the rest of my wider family as well. Mm-hmm. In, in different ways. Everyone's got their different ways of, of showing it and their character and depth and integrity. Mm-hmm. But that's definitely like a constant line within the family and, and everyone, we are very family orientated, so it's like kind of godfather esque. You never talk bad about the family. You never go against the family. But then by the same token, you can also feel that kind of reliance or attachment and you, you kind of, you, you need the balance. Mm-hmm. You need a balance of. Appreciating and understanding the family and the values, but also understanding that, you know, you've got your own path, your own journey to lead. Mm-hmm. And so you need to take the good and run with it, and then come back to hq, you know? Yes.

Anthea:

It's really tricky though, isn't it? How to find ones independence when you live within a family system, where in theory, everything is provided for you. So it kind of touches then on the identity piece of why does it feel important for me to have my own separate, separate persona, which of course, in human development terms, it's critical. Mm. We actually don't feel safe in ourselves or even in our bodies until we've established that. I'm aware, as I say that, that the whole kind of health, lifestyle movement piece is not your family's. It's not their passion, it's not your dad's passion. Yeah, for

Kane:

sure.

Anthea:

I'm sure he's a fine looking man. He's great, but it's like, like great. It's not, not what he, it's not where he goes, gym is not where he goes.

Kane:

No, no. For sure. It's funnily enough, it's my, I kind of, I, I've kind of been the person to instigate that in the family you know, from, from 18 because I, I broke my back when I was 18. Got

Anthea:

you.

Kane:

Playing football and then that. Actually, it was actually quite a, a key moment. I forgot. But that was kind of the instigator for me, taking a, a deeper look at more the physical side. Mm-hmm. That was the initial. Okay. I need to understand the body, the mechanisms behind it, what's working, what, what, what works for it, what doesn't? Because ultimately I need to protect it because I had such a trauma to, it broke my L four L five vertebrae, had screws put in, yeah. And then that kind of started the physical journey. And then that has been my theme for life. Yeah. And then I, I kind of introduced that to the family, especially over over covid. Mm-hmm. I had my stepdad and my mum and my stepbrother all at it.

Anthea:

I love that.

Kane:

He actually got the best shape of his life, to be honest. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah. I've got the before and after pictures. You have to sign an NDA before seeing them, but, but, yeah, that's, that's, that's been something that, you know, definitely I'm proud of and mm-hmm. I'll always retain it, you know, and because I find so much benefit now in understanding the under kind of, the under layer of, of why I, why I appreciate. The gym and the physical side so much.

Anthea:

And it feels like your rhythm. It is. I was going to call it your religion movement. I, I don't think it's necessarily quite that, but it does have the feeling to me of being multifaceted in what it gives you. Mindset, physicality, hormonal balance. Mm-hmm. Nervous system release, all of that kinda stuff. But, but it does also seem to be much more for you about, i'm gonna stick to what I promised myself. Like I've said, I've set myself a goal. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna meet the goal and I'm gonna over overextend myself beyond the goal. And in the process of doing that, it's gonna prove to me something about the man I am.

Kane:

Absolutely. And it's the, it's the daily non-negotiables I call them. And that's a contract you make with yourself and that's taken time to build. You know, I train six days a week and that's. It's, it's funny, some, some weeks or previously especially kind of, prior to our work, it was, there was definitely phases where I, I would kind of sit back and go, wow. Like this is, this is pretty grueling. Like, is this really for life? But it just takes a little perspective shift

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

On, no, no, I don't have to do this. Yeah. I get to do this.

Anthea:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kane:

How fortunate you are. And it's a, it ties in a little bit of the gratitude piece as well. Mm-hmm. But that's again, yeah. You have to, you have to build up to that firstly. But it, it shaped such a different relationship for me now. Mm-hmm. With, with gym. And some, we spoke about, you know, a previous time about the community mm-hmm. In the gym and, and everyone's riding high on endorphins and there's rarely someone in a sulk Yeah. In the gym, unless they've not quite figured out that perspective bit yet. And, you know, they're on the treadmill and they're just. Inclined walking it away, you know? So I try and open people's eyes to that a little bit.

Anthea:

And this, for you particularly, I know that you're a huge fan of Pilates and um mm-hmm. We both go to the same space. Tell everyone Yeah, no, I'm joking. Epoch. Everyone should go. Everyone should go. Epochs the man. And actually you credit Dmitri of Epoch for really allowing you to move properly again after

Kane:

back injury. He, he undoubtedly, completely changed my life because when I, so, I did, when after I broke my back. Yeah. I was told by the physio, you need to really strengthen your glutes.

Anthea:

Mm-hmm.

Kane:

And legs. I was like, thanks for the chicken legs comment. But sure, let's keep you last on down.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

And so in a, in a strange term of events, a friend of mine said, do you want to do mixed martial arts? Mm-hmm. Training because I knew that the conditioning was really tough Yeah. For the legs. Long story short, did that for like six, seven years and then I slipped three discs in my back, and then after that point. You know, I couldn't put my socks on in the morning. It was that bad, and I got introduced to Dimitri Epoch and it completely changed my life and, and my, and my understanding of my body. And what, you know, kind of what you can do, what you can't do, but there's so much more that you can do.

Anthea:

Yeah. He's such a ninja. That guy I like. He's the goat. He, he's brilliant. Yeah. So team, we're gonna make sure that you have a link to the studio because everyone should go, but please don't steal my spot. Mm-hmm. But I do, I do really rate his precision. And I think that's a lot of what we are talking about, especially when we're looking at the world of rehab, is how precisely has this been tailored to the very specific needs of that client? And then what's universal that's being capitalized on as far as kind of how we really improve and enhance health. Mm-hmm. What I was what I was wondering maybe is, is why is it like MMA or boxing for you? Why, why of all of the movement things that you could choose. Mm-hmm. What is it particularly about being in that slightly more, it looks more aggressive. Mm-hmm. I'm not actually assuming that it is. Mm-hmm. More aggressive as an experience.'cause I know the amount of discipline and structure that's involved in it. Why do you think that was particularly calling for you?

Kane:

I think in all honesty, and this is kind of anyone that gets into MMA or, or any kind of combat sport, it's one of the most humbling things you can do. Mm-hmm. I find people that haven't done it have a much greater ego. Than people that have mm-hmm. Because everyone starts at square one. Everyone takes their licks and it's, again, it, it's about how much can you endure to, you know, reps remove doubt. The more you do in, in anything, you'll be able to kind of rep doubt, continue how you like that one. Love that one. And that's something so true with, with MMA and, and, and actually with, with business as well. So there's a lot of, kind of common ground with them both. Yeah. And again, removing the ego, not being emotional about products. Like there's a lot of, of tie in. Mm-hmm. But that was yeah, that was, it is been something so pivotal to me with, with the, the physical exercise.'cause'cause of the mental piece?

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

Of just like really pushing through every day.

Anthea:

Have, has it made you less afraid of pain?

Kane:

It's made me welcome pain a bit, a bit more. I'm, I'm able to withstand Okay. You know, through, through that.

Anthea:

So you're not afraid of getting hit?

Kane:

No. And again, it's the same thing of, of, you know, the more you do something I. The or, or the more you welcome certain feelings or pain is something we've definitely discussed. Yeah. It dilutes it.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

You are way more accepting of it. Mm-hmm. And then when that feeling comes back, either a pain, either a physical pain or like a, a deep hurt pain, it, it just. It takes this thing out. Mm-hmm. And so I find that with, with boxing or with, with MMA, it's the same thing. It's just going through the ropes, going through the motions.

Anthea:

And then I wonder for people that don't have that kind of practice, then how do they navigate the knocks in work? Or if someone rejects them or, it's widely talked about now in the self-development world that we have as a civilization made ourselves increasingly paralyzingly comfortable. Mm-hmm. And that actually, although it seems like a really great idea is, is deleterious to any form of. Personal satisfaction. Mm-hmm. Or, or anything along those lines. We started talking about cold showering recently and how that kind of has a similar Yeah, it's tiny. Three days

Kane:

in. Yeah.

Anthea:

Yeah. Three days in. And it's obviously like nothing relative to the dosage of potentially getting smacked in the face. Mm-hmm. But I really see the value of that as far as the learning that you take from it into the rest of your life. I'm, I'm curious about. Sort of touching back on this identity piece and, and relationships and and business. I'm, I'm curious about in a sense like what you know about yourself now in terms of value, like core value whether you do have a core sense of self value that sits separate from whether you are, your business makes x, y, z thousands of pounds every month, or do you feel like that's something that you've, you've got,

Kane:

I think definitely through the work that we've done as well. Mm-hmm. It's, it's separating the business in me. You know, like you touched on and again, the, the emotional piece, that ego piece can attach yourself so dearly to your businesses that if they're not doing exponentially well, you know, you take it so personally. Yeah. But I think touching on the, the, the book, the Gap in the Gain which was such an amazing read. Thank you so much for recommending it. Oh, you're welcome. It, you know, makes you appreciate the kind of journey that you've done and stack the Ws because, you know, I've, I've another context is a gambler, for example. Mm-hmm. Like a poker player. More often than not, they'll be able to tell you with precision, their worst losses. Yeah. But their biggest wins. Mm. You know, it's so short lived and so we forget. We forget and we forget about, you know, all of those wins and all the things that those reps each day Yeah. That, you know, contribute and, you know, you can go to the gym for example, you know, every day for four weeks, five weeks, you know, you'll come back or you look in the mirror and there's the minimal change if, if any.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

You know, unless you've done like ridiculous, like stupid 500 calories a day or something. Yeah. But, is the, is the consistency Change happens over time.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

And so recognizing how far you've come along that change process

Anthea:

So I was challenged the other day actually to celebrate my wins. Mm-hmm. Which is ironic'cause obviously I spent all of this time telling you guys to do Yeah. I was, it's tough. It's tough to

Kane:

practice what you preach it.

Anthea:

It can be. Yeah. It really can be. And I hadn't realized I, I generally make myself do anything that I talk about, but I hadn't realized that that one was missing. Mm. Or at least that it was missing at the, the regularity that I would benefit from. And it got me thinking about like, how do we celebrate? What does that look like? And are we. Are we confident and comfortable to do that? Also with ourselves, also with other people. Like does it start to touch into that nervousness of like, what will they think of me? Mm-hmm. Am I exposed? Am I at risk if I say this like kid holding up their kind of like terrible mangled picture, they get so great. Yeah. But there is put on the fridge. Yeah, exactly. Which the parent will do and then grimace every time I see it. Mm-hmm. But I think that celebration practice is really critical.

Kane:

No one, no one doesn't know in ear enough. I'm guilty of it. Yeah. I think, you know, like you just said, we're kind of all guilty of it because we get distracted by, you know, either the kind of, again, hustle and bust of life, or the benchmarks or checkpoints that we set ourselves,

Anthea:

or the only way that we know how to celebrate is through some kind of numbing. Like we go and have a massive lash of a night out or whatever it is, which in some ways honors it. It's like a marker in the sand. Mm-hmm. But it doesn't necessarily honor on the deepest level that would allow us to carry that around with us. Like so much of the studies into the way that our, our sort of neurology is prove that we are more oriented towards a negativity bias than a positivity bias. Mm-hmm. So we do actually have to do concerted work to note down the gains. And I think. You mentioned gratitude earlier on. Mm-hmm. And I think those two things, if we can take them in tandem, create enormous amounts of mindset change, real changes, therefore in so what we think about ourselves translates to our identity. Our identity translates to actions, translates to outcomes. Mm-hmm. So there is a, a massive ripple that if you allow your mind to continue to be oriented towards all of the things that aren't quite here yet, it does end up having a massive impact. In terms of what your life actually looks like on the outside.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

Do you feel that mindset for you is, is really key?

Kane:

I think mindset's everything, to be honest with you. Mm-hmm. I read a beautiful quote the other day. I think it was your, your input determines your outlook. Your outlook determines your output and your output determines your future. Mm-hmm. So it really, you know, and again, with the kind of entrepreneurial side of things. Yeah. Especially if you are kind of, so. A proprietor or you know, it's just you, which is more often than not kind of the case, especially in the beginning. Yeah. You, you know, you can't, you kind of tell yourself you can't really afford to have an off day because the, if you think of it like a Yoshi conveyor belt, like it, it stops. Yeah. You know, it's you are, you are relying on you every single day and it, the buck stops with you and, you know, So it's the mindset is, is everything. And, and also I've learned that output is, is everything. And so if you're not in the right mind frame or, or you know, you've taken something too personally or you let something else affect you, you know, you are all of a sudden your kind of approach or motivation for, I'm gonna pan the phones today, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna go to this networking event. It, it turns to the opposite of I'm, I'm in a shell Mm. And I don't wanna do this. And I found it's reminding myself time and time again where I've kind of felt inclined to hide away after maybe like a, even like a, just a, a normal day that I don't necessarily feel that I've achieved. Mm-hmm. I've forced myself to go to these kind of events. Yeah. Or, or, or outgoings. And something's happened. I've met someone and you know, there's a conversation that's got, you know, fired up and they've introduced me to someone else. Mm-hmm. It just, that's the kind of the universe's way of, of kind of rewarding you for going. Okay. I'm gonna firm this, it hurts and I don't really wanna do this. Yeah. But I'm gonna press on

Anthea:

that sounds like a bit similar to the daily, daily non-negotiables thing that you were talking about earlier is like, irrespective of the mood that I wake up in mm-hmm. There are some frameworks to my day that I just do.

Kane:

Yeah. A

Anthea:

hundred percent. And it doesn't have to be that I want to do them. And actually it was one of the first things I learned about 10, 15 years ago when I started looking at this stuff, that the action creates the emotional experience. Yeah. More than necessarily the emotional experience creates the action. It can work both ways. Mm. But what we find is that people wait usually to, to feel good about doing a thing. Mm-hmm. And of course, it's not until you've done the thing. And you've done it, as you say, enough times that it loses its fear factor. It's not say you've done the thing that you have the good feeling about doing the thing a a

Kane:

hundred percent. So

Anthea:

we, we get it kind of backwards. Yeah. Yeah. You just have to

Kane:

get going. You have to, I always say to myself as well, like, it's just getting to the gym.

Anthea:

Yeah.

Kane:

You know, I mean, unfortunately I'm at a stage now where it's, again, I look at it very differently. So, but previously. You know, I'd roll out bed and it's, I've got legs today. Like this is, bro, I do train legs far. I find it so

Anthea:

funny that men have leg days. It

Kane:

is just, it's, it is it's maybe it's an ego thing. I dunno, but like, I dunno. But yeah, it's, you're just trying

Anthea:

to get over that comment about your twinie legs.

Kane:

Yeah, I know it was the chicken legs is chicken little, it's just like stayed with you ever since. It is stuck. But. Yeah, it's, you just have to get there and, and then you get rewarded after. But you know, most things in life to break a sweat to get'em, they're, they're worth a little bit more.

Anthea:

I love that. It's like the concept, all I have to do is show up and then just see what comes.

Kane:

Mm-hmm.

Anthea:

Huh. Well, this has been a very inspiring, it has absolute insightful conversation. As far as people finding you, finding your gorgeous product what's the best kind of medium for that? Instagram websites?

Kane:

Instagram for me. Mm-hmm. Kane_wise. Mm-hmm. Or Hytn.co Gorgeous or Vitamina.lab And yeah, soon come. Just lastly, the final product.

Anthea:

Yes, yes, yes.

Kane:

I'm taking so much joy and enjoying the process of, oh, so excited. Is is NAD.

Anthea:

Okay. Tell us, tell us a bit before we, before you leave us, tell us a bit about it. Yeah. Okay.

Kane:

I'll dangle the carrot a bit. Yeah, go on. So, NAD is the anti-aging supplement. So anything that promotes or, or activates our serin in our body, serin as our longevity enzyme. Mm-hmm. Is contributing to obviously our overall wellness and and longevity. But NAD we all have NAD stores in our body. It's what turns our food into energy. Mm-hmm. But it looks after energy output DNA repair cell regeneration, elasticity of skin, bone density. All of these things correlated to obviously aging. So what they found is, as we age, our NAD levels drop. And so by the time we're 30 which I'm a little bit ahead overachiever is they're, they're half the only D level is half of what it is when we are 20, and then we lose one to 2% a year every year after that. Okay. So, you know, by 45, 50 you are massively depleted. Mm. So fortunately I found a really, really good. A laboratory that has put together an amazing blend. And I've done, I've been on it for the last 10 weeks now. Mm. But, and I've definitely noticed the differences. I never like to tell people quite my experience with it because I like to hear it from them first. Yeah. As to not kind of plant the seed. Yeah. I like to hear it. But the beautiful thing about kind of what we're doing is we're doing a testing kit as well. Mm. So as opposed to relying on. Maybe some, some kind of placebo or anything like that. We're doing a full NAD diagnostic testing kit. Mm-hmm. So you can see your NAD level before, and mine was 32. Yeah. Which is suboptimal. Yeah. Optimal range is 40 to a hundred. Okay. And after eight weeks of supplementing, I'm now at 90. Oh. So I'm basically gonna live forever. Great, great, great. So, well this is for those that love

Anthea:

you. We are glad. Yeah.

Kane:

Thank you very much. And first, and. Millions of podcasts.'cause I'm never gonna answer, so. Sure,

Anthea:

of course.

Kane:

Yeah. Well, they're gonna hear you on the

Anthea:

airwaves and you're just gonna get requests all through the, through the place. That sounds amazing. And I know how much work, I know how much work and, and how much scientific study has gone into it. You really don't go halves on that. Mm-hmm. So I'm really excited to kind of see that coming onto the, the table. And I suspect this will be the first of many conversations, but it has just been so gorgeous to have you. Is there anything as a final kind of takeaway that you wanna leave our listeners with?

Kane:

Just wellness, no, I'm joking. Tagline? Tagline. Wellness. No. It's been a pleasure to, to speak with you and. If there's anything that, that people have taken from, from my experience that they find benefit, fantastic. You know, that's been my specific journey and it's still an ongoing journey. Yeah. And, you know, there's so much good and, and benefit in, in actually doing the work on yourself. And instead of looking for exterior vices and. Wondering why you are feeling a certain way. Yeah. Or, or even just experiencing certain feelings that we will recognize anxiety or stress and, and all very, very common things. Ask yourself, why, why am I feeling this? And try and dig a little bit deeper and, you know, on the other side of it, it should, it should be a bit clearer.

Anthea:

Yeah. And it's applying that same courage that you apply in the ring to what's going on inside of me. Mm-hmm. Which actually I think for people, takes even more courage. Than getting into a boxing studio. I've,

Kane:

I've found that. Yeah. Yeah. You've done amazing. I've, I've been more comfortable getting hit than some conversations we've had. You've, you've exposed

Anthea:

some really good degrees of rawness and vulnerability. You've, you've done amazingly. Thank you. Listeners, we love you so much. Thank you so much for being with us and I will bring you another gorgeous speaker sometime soon. But for now, thank you so much for listening and take care.

Kane:

Ciao.

Anthea:

Gorgeous listeners. I hope. You enjoy today's. today's. episode. To find. More about our. Featured guests. Have a look in the show. Notes.