Double Edge Fitness
This podcast is dedicated to showcasing to our members and any of our listeners who are interested in how this northern Nevada gym operates. Our mission is to inspire others to bring health and wellness home to truly make a difference in the household with the ultimate goal of making Reno the healthiest city in the country.In this podcast, we will be talking about things that are on our mind and answering questions from our members and our listeners to provide a unique listening experience.
Double Edge Fitness
Beyond the PR: Finding Purpose in Fitness After the Final Whistle
When collegiate athletes hang up their jerseys, they often face a profound identity crisis that few discuss openly. In this deeply personal conversation, former college baseball player Ryan and ex-football star Carl share their transformative journeys from competitive sports to sustainable fitness, revealing the mental and physical challenges that came with this transition.
Both men candidly discuss how their relationship with fitness evolved from an all-or-nothing competitive mindset to a more balanced approach focused on longevity. "I don't want to say never," Carl reflects when asked about chasing his college lifting records, "but I definitely don't have a desire to squat 500 pounds again." This shift represents a powerful maturation that many former athletes struggle to achieve.
The conversation takes a particularly vulnerable turn when discussing body image issues among men. Despite being among the fittest people at their gym, both admit to struggling with how they perceive themselves. "I don't think there was ever a time in my life, even in my most fit in college, that I was like 'oh yeah, this is what I want to look like,'" Carl reveals. This rarely-discussed aspect of male fitness culture highlights how body dysmorphia affects men in silence, often without support systems.
Their evolution extends beyond physical training into nutrition, recovery, and mental health management. Ryan describes how his current fitness goals support his aspirations to become a firefighter and family man, while Carl shares how consistent training functions as his anchor during professional challenges. Both emphasize consistency over intensity—a lesson learned through years of trial and error.
Want to transform your relationship with fitness beyond just physical results? Join us for this honest exploration of what happens when the scoreboard disappears but the need for movement, community, and purpose remains. Your health journey isn't about recapturing past glory—it's about building a sustainable future where fitness supports your evolving life goals.
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Speaker 4:No, this is default settings that come on the kind of goes crazy, though, and we got it. We got faded out faded out.
Speaker 1:There we go now. I was get you guys know Alex, right? Alex Fiki, alex. Fico.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to get him chat with him about helping me because he knows all this stuff so good, making a legit intro for each one of these. So today I got are you guys legends? No, I mean, to me you are far, far from it and I really appreciate the shout out about that yeah, I mean, I mean it from the heart. We've come a long ways in our relationship. I mean I think, uh, you know, the double-edged bandits is kind of a bond there it's a staple for sure so first got r.
Speaker 1:Also, everybody literally thinks your name is Keone.
Speaker 4:It technically is part of my name, just the middle part. But yeah, very confusing at the start. Ryan or Key or Keone.
Speaker 1:What's your full?
Speaker 4:name. My full name is Ryan Keone Kavinian.
Speaker 1:So Keone is your middle name Correct. So it's not from nowhere.
Speaker 4:It's not from nowhere, it's not out of the blue Keone, is your middle name Correct? So it's not from nowhere, it's not from nowhere it's not out of the blue, but, yeah, middle name.
Speaker 1:I've always gone by my middle name Because I don't think it was Faye, it was somebody else coaching and they're like I can't find Keone in the computer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that just happened last week. She was like hey, what's your name? Or like where are you, and I was like got to break it down yeah, you got to type in Ryan and you'll find me to my left.
Speaker 1:Carl, introduce yourself, pal. Carl long, nice to meet everybody it's weird right not to look at the camera like we don't have to we're not supposed to look at the camera Like we don't have to. Oh we're not supposed to look at the camera we're used to it yeah, first time ever. First time ever on a podcast yeah yeah, I don't really see you as the super extroverted type like trying to become a social media influencer and you know that guy sees some pictures of your dogs from time to time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's about it. He's got a lot of good ones, not it.
Speaker 1:But I do see you on the socials screwing around.
Speaker 4:A little bit I can get there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, so a little back drop here. I first met Carl when you were coming to 5 am back in the day. Yep Probably did a couple workouts with you before I started coaching that class.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And you're always quiet, always in the back. Yeah, you had that whole lockdown in the far back. Now you've migrated to the complete front of the gym. Yeah, but it's funny because uh, trent was like the head coach of that class back then and uh, when he told me he's quitting and I was going to take over 5AM, he was very concerned about you Really Like being okay with the change. And Leo was super concerned, like me, and you both suffer from a syndrome known as walking dick face.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've ever got that before. I've been told? Yeah, I've been told.
Speaker 1:And he was very concerned that like we weren't going to get along and that you were going to quit. Yeah, that's the beginning of our coaching client, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do remember you coming into class and I was always like who the fuck is this guy? He's crushing it. Obviously I didn't know you at all and I was like, yeah, it's there, he owns the place. I was like, oh, like, oh, okay that was fat d back then. That was a little thicker around the edges you're still getting after it.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, that was my excuse. I could still compete in wads, but it didn't matter. I was carrying extra 20 pounds of fat. Yeah, not ideal. And then you brought Ryan in Yep, I remember that Right at 5 am.
Speaker 4:Right at the worst class.
Speaker 1:Worst.
Speaker 4:I mean it's a start To be a new person hard class to go in and like fit in, or it's like it's very intimidating for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, that's a group of people that a big bulk of them have been together for a long time. Yeah, they all know what they're doing. For the most part, I mean enough for what we do. None of them are trying to make it to the CrossFit Games, so they just want to have fun and have a great workout. And you get 30 of them talking trash and shit to each other and some of the comments that come off. You're like wait, did you really?
Speaker 4:just say that.
Speaker 1:Did that really just come out of your mouth? And I do try to limit brand new people for that being their first experience, unless they're coming in with somebody who's already, you know, a person that's a staple in the class, if you will, I guess, to integrate them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it's hard. I remember when we used to have the scheduling on the app 5 am was never available and I'd have to text you because I'd always forget to sign up like a coach, oh it was a shit show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a shit show when it was on the schedule and then I did late fees.
Speaker 3:I remember that you remember that, of course I remember that Was that with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I remember the would nickel and dime the hell out of people that didn't show up and signed up, and that got super annoying, uh, and we just made it to where you basically had to be a 5am member to be in the 5am class and you know like today we had what? 30 people, and it's a, it's a stacked group of committed folks, which is which is cool. You've migrated. You don't see at 5 am very much anymore migrated.
Speaker 4:Well, now that, uh, I don't have a job, I don't have to wake up and get it in before. So my schedule is living off. The system drastically changed I get to meet new people 34, 35, 39, 10. You are getting around all the classes I am.
Speaker 1:I'm getting around everywhere in midtown all right, lucky you're not single anymore. That'd be a problem, huh yeah, yeah, big problem big problem and carl's not single anymore either. No times have changed him and liz 5 am.
Speaker 3:She's pretty cool yeah, that was a scary talking about 5 am being scary. I was like, oh my god, like I was nervous to bring her to 5 am because I was like what if these guys just give her so much shit?
Speaker 1:I feel like she can hold her own, though she can for sure. She's definitely gotten comfortable, yeah, and she's pretty cool. Obviously, I'm not like the most coaching person at 5 am in the morning with that group, but yeah, I mean she keeps up with the class well, she keeps up with everything well and well she keeps up with everything well and she's like really fit in.
Speaker 3:She's been really cool to have around.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you tend to bring pretty cool people in there's only been. There's only been a couple awols. If it's anyone at its, you gotta. It's 50 50.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had that one guy you brought in for murph that I don't know if I ever saw him again. Is it is really you guys are bringing him for this first workout?
Speaker 4:paulus maybe yeah, that that was our friend is. Uh, he used to work at its and he lives, or he actually just moved back to reno, but at the time he was living in sacramento and he was. He would pop in and work out with us whenever he was in town. So it wasn't like a committed member or not going to be a committed member, because I thought that was one of the most messed up things. Frank could do.
Speaker 1:So I remember one of you texted me like, hey, I want to bring my friend today. I was like really, Murph.
Speaker 4:I mean, he did it, he did it and he didn't complain. But that's the kind of person that he is, he's kind of a grinder. So we felt okay doing that.
Speaker 1:That's fair. So tell me a little about yourself.
Speaker 4:Start, uh, tell me a little about yourself. Start with Ryan, like you did sports in college, yeah, yeah, no, I play baseball for god most of my life, so just been, you know, around that constant year round of competition and being outside and playing with the team. Um, you know, and went to college up here, played for UNR for three years, ended up graduating from from here and then got a job at ITS right up the street and that's kind of what stuck me here in Reno.
Speaker 1:I mean, they're like one of the boiler rooms of collegiate athletes, aren't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4:It seems like.
Speaker 1:That's where they recruit a lot of their staff from.
Speaker 4:They love to snatch them young and fresh out of college when they don't really know any better, but they know kind of the work ethic and you know around-the-clock kind of deal, so it kind of makes it work.
Speaker 1:I mean, in all fairness to just the logistics industry, the people I know at various places, it seems like an industry that is a freaking grind. It's absolutely a grind.
Speaker 3:It's not easy to say the absolute minimum. It's not easy.
Speaker 1:And what's your story? Are you from Hawaii?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we moved here when I was about 10 years old. Been here ever since.
Speaker 1:So technically you're from Nevada now because you've been here since you're 10, but still got that 808.
Speaker 3:Everyone on my dad's side still lives back in Maui, so we go visit every year.
Speaker 1:Does your cell phone start with 808 or 775? No, no, no 775.
Speaker 3:I didn't have a phone that young.
Speaker 1:Oh, you didn't. That's kids nowadays. That's a different time. That's kids nowadays getting cell phones when they're six years old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I literally didn't get a phone until high school, so it was a little bit different growing up for me. So you moved here from hawaii. When you're 10 and um, did you wrestle? Is that? No, your brother does. I did a little bit, but not like my younger brothers. They're state wrestlers. And you did a whole nine. I was just in love with football and that's all I wanted that's where that.
Speaker 1:That's where your squatting strength comes from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was playing football and, um, I ran track, but then the reason why I didn't wrestle was because I wanted to snowboard. It was weird, but bro, that's not weird at all I was like I'd be at wrestling practice and then, like it's snowing, I'm like I just want to go snowboarding.
Speaker 1:I was like you know what I didn't even learn to snowboard until like middle of high school, because wrestling like you can't do it, yeah, and then I couldn't risk injury. So, yeah, didn't really do it much yeah, I mean looking back.
Speaker 3:I I did wish I would have stuck with wrestling from a young age and stayed with it, but you know how good it is I just think wrestlers have. I mean that you have a different mindset as a wrestler. I mean, obviously you would know, and it's just the most demanding and most challenging sport that I feel I've done, because it's strictly individual, obviously right One-on-one, you know, mano-a-mano. It's like I don't want to lose Like I'll do anything in the world not to lose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't like losing.
Speaker 3:Team sports is you know, a little different. Obviously, I don't like losing anything and you know as an athlete you shouldn't but wrestling was just way different. The challenge, like I, was way more like I don't know, nervous or whatever before a duel, before you know any other football game or track meet I ever had.
Speaker 1:I mean, I totally agree. It was extremely challenging. The bulk of my adolescent life got to hang up the jersey is 20 years ago now, but it definitely uh. So I want my son to be involved in it, even though I'm trying not to like relive my life with him trying to find that balance. But um, it does, there's no question. It develops a ability to suffer like none other sport that I've seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the hardest workouts I've ever done and gone through is then you do it maybe two days no eating, maybe a full day of not having any water because you got to make weight cuts and it's not healthy, like it's not healthy, but the mental muscle that's developed is I mean my ability to suffer comes from wrestling yeah, I mean it's, it's totally different so then you went spanish springs high school damani, damani yep, I got turned around. Spanish springs way out sparks, so south reno. Yep went to damani went to damani um.
Speaker 3:After high school I went to junior college play football in the bay oh really, yeah, I didn't know that yeah, yeah, um played against his junior college team yeah, right, right over the right over the san.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right over the San Mateo Bridge, right over the bridge.
Speaker 3:Beat the hell out of him, by the way. Well, that's because I wasn't quarterback of the team.
Speaker 4:Wait, you played college football for a year. No, but if I?
Speaker 3:was he played baseball at the school that.
Speaker 4:I played.
Speaker 1:Oh until you went to UNR.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I played in junior college for two years before I went to UNR and it was when I met him. He was like, oh yeah, I went to Chabot. I was like no way, because we played Chabot all the time and it's like a 10-minute drive from where I went to JUCO.
Speaker 3:So that was kind of just one of the ways that we were like oh, no way, yeah, the small world. We played San Mateo in the bowl game my sophomore season.
Speaker 3:And then what after junior college? After junior college I came back to walk on to UNR. A series of unfortunate events happened, with some family dynamics my grandpa getting cancer and my grandma getting sick and then academically my math credits didn't transfer and it was this whole ordeal where I would have had to have gone back, retaken a math class to get eligibility and do all this shit and I kind of just was like you know what I got to make the executive decision here and hang them up, get to work and just kind of move on from there. So you went straight to its logistics. Then. No, I worked a year just in construction Okay, just through one of my dad's contacts and then um started working at Costco, kind of simultaneously. I was just just working.
Speaker 3:I didn't know what to do, hung up the cleats and was kind of lost for a little bit and trying to find my way and, um, I was just working. And then, after Costco, I got on at ITS and then, probably a year into that, I found this place.
Speaker 1:So you were at ITS for a year before you came here.
Speaker 3:Right around that timeline. And between that time, like I put on probably like 30, 35 pounds or something like that Didn't touch a gym, like I was over fitness or sports and all that kind of stuff. And then I was like holy shit, I'm 215 pounds right now. Oh, wow. Never, never touched that weight in my life. I was like I got to make a change.
Speaker 1:I had no clue. You played college football. Yeah, some of this is making more sense now yeah. And why you can move a barbell so well. Yeah. I've been coaching you for a long time, got to know you really well, haven't I Jesus?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't talk too much about that.
Speaker 1:Well, you don't talk too much about much unless it's pride out of you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true, cool.
Speaker 1:So you both obviously ended up at the gym. You both kind of staples for sure at Midtown. I mean, everybody knows both of you and obviously on a fitness side of thing, have a lot of respect for both of you as athletes Athletes in general, but particularly in the CrossFit space around here. Everybody's always asking what Brian and Carl do In the mornings. If I have him called, obviously you're the superstar. You set the standard for the day.
Speaker 3:I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:But when it comes to fitness, what do you guys think? I mean start with you, ryan. What do you guys think of your fitness journey where you're at now in life, being former collegiate athletes? Typically the former collegiate athlete is the one to be. You guys are like the quintessential crossfit guys right, former athletes, young fit. You're the reason that's like 50 and 60 year olds don't think they can do this like it's just a young guy's sport, who are already athletes. The reality is like you guys still push, you still train, but you you don't do this for sport anymore at all, like you never really did. You just are good at it and you get to be competitive at it if you will as much as you want. Both of you have done a little bit of competing. But what does your fitness journey look like now for you at this chapter of your life?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd say you know, just for right now, and how how I'm, how I'm looking at my fitness, has definitely changed since I started here five years ago as far as the mentality and and what I want to accomplish, because back in the day I'm, you know, carl and I are coming and probably not taking the best care of ourselves outside of the gym, because probably most likely some of our text conversations definitely we're not taking the best care of ourselves, but just kind of being able to get away with it and still come in here and push and try to move heavy weight right.
Speaker 4:And I'd say now you know that I'm almost 30 years old, damn I want to take yeah, I want to take better care of myself.
Speaker 4:I definitely think about the longevity, of what fitness can do for me, and kind of you know, just thinking about all right, well, chloe and I want to start having kids. What kind of? You know, what kind of father do I want to be, and you know what kind of family man do I want to be. So that's taken a toll too, and just kind of really diving into like nutrition and getting more knowledgeable and more curious about those kinds of things has really kind of sparked a new flame in, like the way I'm training and just trying to get after it in a new way, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like reframing different chapter of your life. I mean I probably told you guys I know I've yelled this on the podcast and on my Instagram and stuff Like I wish I would have been doing what I do now in my 20s. I mean, arguably I wish I would have known and had a coach that knew what I know when I was wrestling. I think it would have been a completely different athletic career because the nutrition, health, the sleep, protein, carbohydrates I mean I had a wrestling coach tell me like don't eat protein because you're going to gain weight, just eat carbs because we'll burn it off and you'll maintain weight. Like this is not health and so I think it's cool that you're reframing that.
Speaker 1:I mean 30 is still really young, bro. Like I'm feeling better at 40 now than I did at 30, arguably well, no doubt than I did in my 20s in college. So I let myself turn a little bit of what Fluffy over here didn't call it Post-college, got up to 220-something pounds back then Thick and not the good kind of thick, so that's pretty cool. I mean I've watched you go through a little bit of a funk. I mean I remember some of the demands with your job. I remember both of you went on your party spree. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that and, um, I can't remember if I was in person or text message. You guys were asking me about things you need to optimize, like to do better in the gym. It's like, well, stop fucking drinking every weekend, let's start there yeah, that was like that.
Speaker 4:That was uh good advice, so you guys should listen to that one. But yeah, we definitely I mean, don't regret any of those times. I think they were absolutely necessary to end up. You know like where we're at were absolutely necessary to end up, you know like where we're at right now where I'm at.
Speaker 1:So you know, no regrets there. Well, that's the thing, right, like I don't, have sure, I wish I would have prioritized some things in the younger years, but you got to. I don't want to like say, the younger kids, you need to go out and do this stuff, but I do think there's there's life value into what do you want to say? Exploring?
Speaker 3:the degenerate side of you a little bit.
Speaker 1:There's definitely a balance yeah, I definitely think there needs to balance, like I don't want my kids to listen to this in five years and be like, well, dad said, you know, when I go to college I should do these things. But um, again, as long as you get mindful of it, correct it and doesn't become a lifestyle. The liver is an amazing organ. It's the only one in the body that can regenerate.
Speaker 4:Thank God.
Speaker 1:Thank God. What about you, Carl? What's your fitness chapter of life look like right now?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean definitely a lot different from you, know college and whatnot and I don't want to say never as far as, like you know where I was at one point in time. But you know, I definitely don't have a desire to squat 500 pounds again or, you know, do do certain things that I used to do or push myself in a certain athletic kind of way. But I mean yeah like you said just, I mean optimizing health and you know I've been hitting you up a lot, obviously about nutrition.
Speaker 3:It's like how important that is, because that's never been something I've ever like really dove into like take into account, and I mean just like my family growing up last. I'm like the food we eat. You know filipino wine food is like not the best for you, so like um, yeah, I've never, ever wine barbecue is pretty bomb, though.
Speaker 1:It's fire, it's the best, all that sugar and so ain't good for you, so like um, yeah, I've never ever.
Speaker 3:You know, my barbecue is pretty bomb though it's fire, it's the best, all that sugar, and so it ain't good for you though. So, just yeah, optimizing my health like I want to. I want to be healthy.
Speaker 1:I want to be 40, 50, 60 years old, healthy being, you know, be able to move and, um, you know, live an optimal lifestyle, sure and I think something that resonates with both of you guys is the younger you start and the fitter and stronger you get, the better your rate of decline is. Yeah, exactly it's like for me personally. It gave me permission to still train like an athlete but just be smart about it and it's done well for me over the last few years. I think you get to a point you know you think about longevity and want to be healthy for my family, and then it's easy to get like oh, I just need to go and move my body a little bit. You know, all of a sudden, five years later, your walk outside becomes your exercise and I personally don't think you need to hang up the jersey on still finding the best version of yourself, but you want to do it without the injuries 100%.
Speaker 1:You want to do it. You know feeling good, and that's one thing I mean. I remember you jacked up your back pretty good too. Preventing injuries is a big deal, because that affects your ability to train.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's crazy how my mindset on all of that shifted recently, whereas everything needed to be RX+ as hard as I can, as heavy as I can, as often as I can, to where now it's like I'm like, oh, if I'm feeling good, or if I feel I need to not push it today, or I'm sore, or whatever the situation may be, I'm in no. Or if I feel, you know, I need to not push it today, or I'm sore, or whatever their situation may be like, I'm in no way afraid to.
Speaker 3:I'm welded today or shit. I'm even build or doing something different, you know a machine or whatever it may be. So definitely. It's crazy to see how my mindset shifted quickly on that in recent years.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's definitely something that's changed too. Just being more conscious and listening to your body. That's not something that we were doing three, four years ago. It's just like, hey, this is what Warrior is and we need to get after this and this is what we're going to do. You know it's probably, you know, may have not been the best choice, or maybe, you know, doing well, did okay, okay. But also you know that that pride with being an athlete and, you know, being the guys in class where it's just like, yeah, like that's, that's the expectation is that we're doing the heaviest, we're doing the most, and that's what it's going to take no, and I think, as former athletes like, it's hard to keep that in check.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is like you're competitive by nature. I mean you, you're unemployed now but your job's competitive. Yeah, um, but um, it's. It's when you have that type a personality that does drive a lot of accomplishment in your life, and a lot of athletes have that. It is hard to come into a CrossFit gym and refocus that mindset yeah, it really is. And growing in your training maturity, if that's the right word to start thinking long-term.
Speaker 1:I've been saying that for a while, like not every day in CrossFit. That's one of the biggest downsides of CrossFit. I think it's one of the biggest drivers of results is intensity. Yeah, but one of the biggest downsides especially when you get people like you guys and myself or whatever, in a group, you're going to get competitive and then doing that day after day after day, it's going to absolutely crush you at some point and your body's not going to be able to come back from it very well, unless you're one of the fortunate people out there that can then go to massage, have all your food prepped, don't have work and work, stress. Your sleep is then optimal. The environment you're in outside the gym is 100, catered to your recovery for the next training session. Yeah, so you know, I think, what both of you guys are doing right now wrapping your minds around long-term health, but not like getting soft for lack of better words. Uh, still training smart, still doing cool stuff. It's awesome, it's awesome yeah, it's a goal.
Speaker 3:I mean, I still still want to move heavy weight when I can and I still want to get stronger and, you know, do everything like that, just doing it the right way, the smart way, trying to eat better and drinking less and taking care of myself yep, so short term.
Speaker 1:What's one of your uh, it's one of your goals in the gym short term short term, I'd say.
Speaker 4:Short term, I'd say losing weight and gaining muscle has kind of been what I, what I've focused on since the start of the new year. Yeah, um, so I'd say that's, that's a short-term goal for me right now body composite recomposition yeah, exactly love it yeah, same here I.
Speaker 3:This is the first year I've actually tracked or done the dexamethasone. Same body Same body month over month. Okay, I've been doing that since January.
Speaker 1:It's been moving. It's been moving.
Speaker 3:I'd like to get around 10% body fat.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd like to give my mirror at home a break as well. Hey, every morning, just right in front of me how we looking the mirror's just like come on, man.
Speaker 1:Are you even trying?
Speaker 4:Mirror's just has his eyes closed. He's like right when he hears me get up.
Speaker 1:He's like that's funny, we chat about that for a second. I don't think it's a bad thing to train for physique purposes. You know, try to. You know, look good, look good, move well, I think all that matters. Going from like 14 body fat to 10 body fat's no joke. Yeah, what are you having now?
Speaker 4:I think the last time I was at around 13 right 12, 12.5 or 13, something like that what'd you just hit I?
Speaker 1:think I was 13.4, yeah so both of you on that trend, on that trend down yeah, love it.
Speaker 4:The physique is is hard because you know. You have an idea of what you want to look like, right like I know what I want to look like when I take I posted your picture earlier yeah, no, and yeah, that was a long time ago. Yeah, that was college baseball days. Nothing to do with artificial intelligence at all no, no, that was real 100 and I would never come on a podcast and lie yeah, um, but yeah, no, those were back to some better days okay that was.
Speaker 1:That was back when um supplements and stuff were optimized. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4:Yeah, whey protein guys, I definitely recommend if you guys aren't taking it take your creatine, take your creatine, all Take your creatine, all driven by creatine.
Speaker 1:I think what's interesting, men also have body dysmorphia issues and it's very common amongst females, like extremely common. I literally know some of the fittest women arguably in Reno, in this gym, who have great physiques and very healthy, very fit, and constantly hate themselves. Yeah, like that's. They're never fit enough, good enough, something. They want to work this and that and like god damn that's funny, you say that, but men struggle with it. Yeah, I would say it's just in silence, like they're not very transparent about it.
Speaker 3:I know I do yeah, I mean jokingly joking about the mirror right every day, but, like I said, it's funny. You say that because, looking back, I don't think there was ever a time in my life like even in my most fit in college or whatever that I was like oh yeah, this is what I want to look like, or like cool, I'm perfect. At now, too, it's like shit. I'm definitely not where I want to be and not where you know where I need to be.
Speaker 1:So well, I mean, one of my personal goals is to look how I actually perform, because for years it was always you know derrick's fit and keep up in workouts and this and that, but always embarrassed to take my shirt off at the beach. Never wanted to. And the whole dad bod thing started to bother me, like in society, like the acceptable dad bod culture, and it really drove me nuts. And so I mean, obviously, things with my daughter forced my diet to clean up. But it's like you don't have to be like this. You can control your calories, stop drinking, train consistently and things change.
Speaker 1:It's a choice. It's a choice. It's a choice. And obviously I'm fortunate enough to be a gym rat, but I mean you kind of are now, but carl's still got a full-time job and he still gets it in and um it is. It comes down to a choice and you know, I think you know lots of guys out there do struggle with body dysmorphia issues, always critical of themselves and this and that. And I mean you two are some of the fittest people in the gym by far and still have those thoughts and people would assume that you don't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's a real yeah, I can confirm Definitely.
Speaker 4:Definitely a real but, your mirror can confirm. My mirror is yeah, don't have mine as a guest. We don't want them divulging the good or bad days, but that's hilarious so, yeah, no, that that's real, it's.
Speaker 4:It's hard to kind of uh, attack the mental side of that. As far as you know, training every day, there's like this expectation of like, yeah, I want to feel good every day and um, I've been working out and on my diet for this long and like I feel like I should look a certain type of way by now. But you know, everybody's different people got different genetics it's like genetics is a big deal.
Speaker 4:You go, you go online. You're like, wow, this guy's shredded. Or you know that's like who I would want to look like, or you kind of have an idea, but you know that may not even be possible, you know with your genetic makeup. But I think this is like one of the hardest parts is just focusing on, like you said, how I feel in the gym, how I'm performing, and then you know, making it a lifestyle, so that you know in three, four years if you're keeping that up.
Speaker 1:Then you don't have anything to worry about in that realm especially like you won't have any, both of you getting your blood work right.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, keep tabs on the internals because you know, three, four, 10 years from now, you know doing all this stuff right and the internals are good and the body, the body will follow. But to your point, I mean just learning a little bit about the bodybuilding space. Like you, you think all those top bodybuilders, yeah, they're on gear, but there's a huge genetic component to their physiques also, like, there are some, a lot of people. It doesn't matter how much gear you take, you simply aren't going to get to Mr Olympia. Yeah, like without the genetics. Same with professional sports. It's like genetics actually do play a big deal with that. And I think social media space really, I mean fucks that up for men and women, the expectations of what you're trying to chase and how to put in a bucket for yourself yeah, I think having a better understanding of like what you're truly are capable of, or like your, you know your genetics.
Speaker 3:I mean I guess you can never really know that, right. But I mean, my biggest wake-up call to that was when I went to college and I was like meeting all these you know my teammates, and there's some kids I'll never forget. We had this kid, terry, who's 5'9" probably 215 pounds, just yoked, could stand under a basketball hoop and dunk off two feet and it's like those kind of genetics and athleticism, right, like I will never have that and a lot of people probably won't, but I'm like, okay, I understand that I may not be like that, but like I can still find a better version of myself, or like better where I'm at athletically. And that's where I started to find like I don't say happiness or whatever, but within myself, like getting better on a personal level and not like looking at, oh, what's this guy doing or that guy, or how does this guy look, or whatever.
Speaker 1:So I think that's one, the maturity as we get older, you start focusing on the fact, like did I do the work today to improve myself by? You know, a small amount, small amount. Sometimes that improvement comes from taking a rest day, you know, uh, just constant state of personal growth. Um, for yourself, are you doing the best that you can do? Are you eating well? Are there areas to clean up? Are we sleeping well? Or how's our stress management?
Speaker 1:You know, all the stuff? Are we being consistent? You know, when people ask me about how I work out, it's like I've become a master of consistency. There's no rocket science to how I train. Yeah, I do group class, plus a little extra here and there, but like I've become the master of consistency over the last two years, uh, training five to seven days a week and, honestly, listening to my body to a whole nother level. When you start doing that with nutrition, things really change.
Speaker 1:Like I've said on here before, I don't hide the fact that I'm on testosterone replacement therapy. I think it's part of anybody's health nowadays to know their hormones, know where they're at, do everything naturally and then, if you need medical intervention to be the best, healthiest version of yourself, I 100% support it, because there's so many things in our environment that disrupt our endocrine systems and that's why I tell you to get to know your labs at your young age. Now, you showed me your labs at one time. I was like like, well, let's clean it up for a while and see where we end up at before we just jump in, especially because you want kids and stuff. But, um, I think the whole health picture it matters and uh, even though, like neither of you are chasing athletic dreams, being the best version of yourselves is going to also facilitate better athletic performances yeah and then where you're both dialing in your nutrition and working on that in a pretty focused way.
Speaker 1:over the last what? Six, seven months, for sure, I mean, you've been sending me pictures of your ground beef a little more often.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1:It's going to start paying dividends and you're going to see that it's awesome, love it. Evidence, and you're going to see that it's awesome, love it. What do you guys think your biggest win is in the gym? Biggest accomplishment? In the gym overall yeah, here god, I'd say um getting in the cold plunge getting the cold plunge is a huge success because right now it does take me about five or so minutes to actually get in.
Speaker 4:Um, I'd say one of the cooler things here that I've done is snatch 225 that's. That's one of my favorite memories here, because I know him and I carl and I were like eyeing that for a long time um, and we're working towards that and finally we're able to do that.
Speaker 1:I thought that was a cool accomplishment that's a big accomplishment, like it's pretty massive heavy yeah, it's heavy and it's.
Speaker 4:I remember it takes a very high level of athleticism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like snatching is no joke. Yeah so to snatch 225 is a is a big milestone. That's badass.
Speaker 4:I remember the first class I came I came to, carl brought me a 5 am and it was, I think, like pull-ups, and then there snatches in it and I had no idea how to kip and I sure as hell never snatched before, ever so that was. I think that those were like a couple of things that I wanted to learn.
Speaker 4:You know, it's like hey, I want to be able to do this like everybody else. So I kind of had a chip on my shoulder like, hey, I need to learn. You know, it's like, hey, I want to be able to do this like everybody else. So I kind of had a chip on my shoulder like, hey, I need to learn this. Or it would be, you know, to see other guys like Paul and Alan at 5 am like put up some serious weight. I'm like yo, that's pretty badass. So to be able to do something like that, that would be pretty legit.
Speaker 1:Paul's a freak, that guy's, that guy's an animal yeah, like if there was a guy in the gym that I strive to be like, it's Paul. That's different, yeah, he's different.
Speaker 3:Like strong, powerful and moves so well, super nice. Not mean at all Lots of sarcasm In the locker room.
Speaker 4:You better make sure that the bench is clear. Okay, no backpacks on there. Make sure it's clean.
Speaker 1:What's funny about you with snatching is you're a pitcher. You've had Tommy John surgery, haven't you? Yeah? A couple times A couple times, two times Nice, and you're still doing that. But what I find interesting with baseball players is their core to extremity movement. They do pick up the Olympic lifts quicker than a lot of people and obviously you're very athletic. So that all translated, but like you have a significantly bigger back squat than him, right?
Speaker 3:At least at one point in time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, definitely. I mean he was what were you doing back in college, like 500 pounds or something like that? I mean.
Speaker 3:I've watched Squatted 500 at 183 pounds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I've watched you squat in here and I'm just like Jesus, that's insane.
Speaker 4:I mean he was putting up 405 in here like nothing back in the day and fast like very fast and then like being, and then like being a pitcher.
Speaker 1:Just fascinating, because there's been a couple of them in here like they do pick up the olympic lifting way quicker.
Speaker 4:You're one of them yeah, I think I just got lucky because as a pitcher we did a ton of mobility, a ton of shoulder work and stuff like that, so I think I was set up up better than I think most people would be that aren't doing those extra movements and strengthening, so that definitely set me up for success. You all got fat asses too.
Speaker 1:You all got that puffy butt. Yeah, you're right, coach A lot of power, a lot of power to throw that baseball. What was your fastest pitch in college?
Speaker 4:I got up to 95, 96 a couple of times, but I didn't to 95, 96 a couple of times. Okay, but I didn't live there, unfortunately. But yeah, I topped out at 96 a couple of times.
Speaker 1:Where is like the standard now for speed in college baseball?
Speaker 4:I mean, I think college varies because there's such a variety of levels. But I mean, you see guys in the SEC, acc, right, the highest level of D1, and those guys are throwing 95, and it looks effortless. And you got a guy who's 19 years old and he's throwing 100. And that's in college and that's. You know, it was rare, I mean, it was still possible. But when I was in college and we're talking like 2015 to 2018, like there are a couple of guys who were you know that we heard of that were throwing that hard. But just how prevalent it is now to have a guy who comes into college and he's throwing 98 to 100. That's just. That's honestly normal. And you get up to the big leagues and that's everybody's throwing that if they want to that's crazy.
Speaker 1:What about you? What's your biggest fitness win in the gym?
Speaker 3:honestly beating me at workouts yeah, maybe a couple years ago. No, I don't know. Honestly, I can't, I can't really, uh, can't really call it. I think my coolest moment, I guess, was like representing Double Edge at a competition. You know the one Key and I did and somehow caught a podium. Yeah. A couple years back, three years ago now, something like that that to me felt the best. But I mean in terms of like weightlifting, things like that, I haven't, like I've never PR'd or anything since college.
Speaker 1:When do you think you're going to hang up the college PRs, or have you?
Speaker 3:Like going after them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have to imagine that you're not chasing your college back squat PR anymore.
Speaker 3:I guess that's a good way of looking at it, because when I hear the word PR, that's what I think. I just think of a lifetime PR that I've done.
Speaker 1:So I mean, now that you bring it up, maybe I can kind of reevaluate what a PR is and that can maybe even optimize my training, Because yeah, I've never technically PR'd here in my mind, but it's probably a bad way of looking at it. Yeah, so I was going to get at. I think for you it's definitely um would be advantageous for you to just like. That doesn't mean it might not ever happen again. Yeah. But I would say it'd be advantageous of you to just kind of cause you still move a lot of weight and um, it's impressive. But I wouldn't keep comparing yourself to those days, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I don't want to say I'm like comparing it, I just I guess I just never, you know, relooked at it the way you just kind of made me look at it. So yeah, I mean I still I've done some things that I'm proud of within myself Cleaning, cleaning over 300 pounds of within myself um cleaning cleaning over 300 pounds um you know snatching 225 and getting ring muscle ups, getting bar muscle ups, bar, yeah, things like that and putting on for double edge, at least a few years ago.
Speaker 3:So I mean that was cool to me and that's that's what like really drew me into. Crossfit was like the first class I ever came to at 5 am. I just thought like oh, I'm an athlete, like I'm gonna, I have to do all this, you know, in this amount of time. And then I don't remember the exact workout. I just remember I got on that rower and it was fucking dead, didn't finish the workout and it was just like the most like oh shit, humbling, like pissed off right, and then that's kind of like fueled me. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I brought me in right away.
Speaker 1:I was like oh shit, okay it's funny how a workout like that will do it like it doesn't look bad on paper and then you get it. As I remember, my first crossfit workout was bar facing burpees and light deadlifts, things like 135 pound deadlifts and right when I just kind of got around crossfit didn't even have my level one yet. Yeah, and this guy at this gym I was working at it was like a little gym challenge he was doing who could do. I think it was either five down to one or ten down to one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, deadlifts and bar facing burpees, it's like what yeah what and he's like all right, three, two, one, go get it done as fast as you can. I was wrecked, yeah, wrecked from that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it was just a group class, yep, and no one else in the entire class probably gave a shit about it, right, but I was just. It was like my first time getting back in the gym and you know, stepping out of the lines from football, and it was like oh, shit that's what I said.
Speaker 3:I was weighing like 215 pounds out of shave. I was like, okay, now it just reignited that competitiveness and it was on lost 30 pounds in I think like two and a half months and just kind of got right back on I remember that.
Speaker 1:I remember trent always telling me about this guy. Carl, I wasn't in five in the morning very much, but you definitely were one of his big like transformation stories of coming in and just like grinding and growing at a rapid rate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was definitely a lot younger, so I think my body was able to adapt a little bit 24, I think 25?.
Speaker 1:How old are you now?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've turned 30. 30.
Speaker 1:Both of you about tipping over the hill.
Speaker 4:Oh, I'm 29'm 29 coach, I'm young younger, I guess yeah, early early 20s somewhere around there.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that was like my biggest thing was like I came out I was like holy shit. And just instantly reignited my flame to like just compete not only with anyone else but just within myself because like I knew I can do better and perform better, and so just kind of took off from there oh yeah oh yeah.
Speaker 1:so I know both of you just wake up flaming fire, ready to slay both professionally and in the gym and in your relationships, every aspect of your life. And you probably, you know right out of bed, pull up David Goggins who's going to carry the boat, go check out the mirror, but um and all fun. You guys are a different chapter of your life and oftentimes when people get into this chapter I don't want to say Mary, I mean I know you're looking at marriage, I don't know if it's premature yet, or not?
Speaker 1:I mean, you and Liz seem like a really good deal, but different chapters of your life. What do you guys use now for inspiration? Or I hate the word motivation, because I had this guy tell me that I don't know. You guys know BP. He's like Marine Corps, like serious Marine Corps seeing some shit. Badass dude, nicest guy in the world. But if you know that you're scared, you're kind of nervous to be around him, he goes here. Yeah, oh no, I don't think I know him.
Speaker 1:He told me that motivation's an inflatable backbone. It just deflates all the time. You got to find something that truly inspires you to the core to hold on to when you're down, like he met with me during COVID and gave me Because not every day is easy and a little bit of motivation comes. Like you know, you watch some Gary Brekka and you want to go on three-day fast and sauna and stuff all the time.
Speaker 4:Wow, that's a jab, that's a jab.
Speaker 1:Not at all, not at all. Get you know $600 and whatever that labs was and buy their. Did you buy their supplements?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I bought. Still, I'm taking that multivitamin right now. Right. But Uh, yeah, I bought. I still am taking that multivitamin right now, but I think I think it's helping for sure. The the blood test I think I definitely overspent on that, but I think it was. It definitely started my consciousness and, you know, knowledge and kind of fire to to learn more about that side. So I'm I'm thankful that I did it, but I'm I'm glad I was able to save some people from from spending that much.
Speaker 1:I remember telling you I was like, let me know how it goes, because I ain't trying to spend that kind of money on some blood work.
Speaker 4:It wasn't as personalized, but I you know that I got help from there, so that was good.
Speaker 1:I mean all all fun and games aside, it definitely is a starting point for making some life changes. I'm not a big fan of fasting Maybe that's me being resistant to wrestling lifestyle and how much it can affect your endocrine system but for some folks it is a great. It's a great, it's a. It can be a valuable tool, done correctly. Yeah, back to us saying you know, besides David Goggins and obviously Gary Brekker, what fires you guys up? Like what gets you going?
Speaker 3:Shoot man. I mean not to be cliche, but like my family, you know they're obviously a big motivation and you know I'm very close with them. But I also just oddly feel that I have a decent like self-motivation yeah.
Speaker 3:And I can kind of catch myself when I know like I'm, you know, not motivated or not giving it all, and you know either course correct or do what I need to do, take a few days off and and figure it out. So it's, you know, outside of my family, I think I'm just kind of a little bit so self-motivated.
Speaker 1:I mean just from what I know of you, one of the hardest workers all the way around that I've met Between your job here in the gym sometimes you're in here oftentimes twice a day, still working full time and I also think that also comes with being an athlete.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean just no one's going to get it done for you. It's kind of going to be my way. I always looked at it. You can feel sorry for yourself, all you want, but like that's not gonna change anything.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of the biggest things I love about. Fitness is like it doesn't matter how much drugs you take, it doesn't matter how much this, that and the other, at the end of the day you can't buy it. You can't get it from some hand-me-out program.
Speaker 3:You know somebody can't give it to you and um, it's earned yeah, and I just, no matter what, I get extreme satisfaction of like like I don't know winning or like, uh, accomplishing even just in a workout. You know, like I want to get this time and hitting that time, as meaningless as it is, like no, it's micro goals that stack up.
Speaker 3:Yeah like, oh shit, I can finish this workout in under 10 minutes, or even when you're throwing times at me to finish a workout some mornings, and I do it like they're just small wins that keep me motivated, like within myself 100.
Speaker 1:I think people devalue the how important small victories are in setting those small goals because it creates momentum.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean because, if you think about it, like, what are big wins? They're just, in my opinion, accumulation of small wins that lead up to maybe one goal that you had or you know. However you want to look at it, because I don't know, I'm not going to get a huge win in the gym. I'm going to get a ton of little wins, I'm gonna keep progressing, but the big win is just the accumulation of all your small wins. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I guess depends how you look at it yeah, I mean, I'll give my thoughts on that. What about you? What's your, what's I'd?
Speaker 4:say driving me right now, I mean being a role model for my brothers and sisters, for sure. And then, you know, I have Chloe at home and I guess a lot of motivation right now, right, is I just quit my job right to kind of sell out on being a firefighter, kind of sell out on being a firefighter. And when I'm working out right now I'm kind of thinking that, you know, she's obviously helped me. You know sacrifice, we're sacrificing, you know, one income and she's been on board with you know, making it work.
Speaker 4:And now I'm in a spot where it's like, yeah, my back is kind of up against the wall, so I got to get it done, you know, and there's no other choice. So, you know, that's all in my head, you know, and she's working hard. So I want to make sure that, you know, I make them proud and I come through. And also an extension of that is like, hey, I'm going to be a first responder, I'm going to be on the front line, like I got to be able to handle that shit and I got to be able to come through, you know, more than the average person would. So I'm thinking about that and just all the extra work that is going to have to come along with that.
Speaker 1:Love it. I mean, putting your back against the wall is one of the most powerful places somebody can be in. I mean, if you want to accomplish something big, put yourself in a position that you have no other choice, absolutely. And it's amazing what can be accomplished from the human or you want to say animal instinct spirit of got to get this done. I mean, that was a tipping point for me during the COVID years, like what am I going to do? Quit, right, nope. We're going to figure it out Back's against the wall.
Speaker 1:You just figure it out, and it's good the wall you just just figure it out and, um, it's good. First responders that's an interesting uh place in the fitness world. I have some gripe with first responders and the inability that they take care of themselves. Um, it's frustrating that a lot of the first responder entities police, fire, paramedics, probably not as much, but still they got grueling hours that they don't get the support from their higher-ups, their union reps, whatever you want to call it to prioritize health and fitness, for from a couple aspects, mental health, they deal with some shit. Oh yeah, you know and see some shit. Fitness is by far one of the best things you can do for your mental health, not to mention their long-term health. Yeah, like it is a grueling-ass job. I know firefighters. You know you guys just sit around and cook and do nothing until it's literally the moment to put your life on the line to save somebody. That was a jab, yeah I got that one but it ain't worked out a lot.
Speaker 1:Yes, you guys at the glorified just get to exercise all day until there's that random fire that happens, yeah, yeah. But the reality is all of them have very stressful life, shortening jobs, and they don't get the support and resources and I want to say the word incentives but the accountability to maintain a certain level of health and fitness, and I think that's. I mean some of them might come after me after saying this, but I think that's disgusting that there is no standard of health and fitness amongst the first responder community outside of what somebody self-imposes on themselves. Hey, listening to what the fitness requirements are to even get hired and then to hear that there's no standard to maintain, yeah, it blows my mind because not only in your life, be on the line if you have a lack of fitness in that profession, but like if my partner is not fit and this fool's gonna save my life or need to yeah like oh, hell, no, I've heard the same things about, like surgeons and stuff like running on no sleep.
Speaker 1:Oh, fuck yeah, you don't want to be the last guy at the end of a surgeon shift that day.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Doctors also have bones to pick with, because the healthcare industry is not they're not examples of health either. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like damn Crazy. Yeah, I've gone down a rabbit hole on that one recently that's.
Speaker 4:It's a huge topic right now, yeah, I mean, especially with all this stuff emerging, you know, like gary brekka and longevity space of health, and then you have the so-called leaders in the health space not being healthy yeah at all.
Speaker 1:it's I mean, I hate to say it, as we live in a society that doesn't prioritize health and fitness and, unfortunately, a community of people, become the sum of the average of the people, and when the average of the people that most people are surrounded with suck like, you're going to become the average of that. And I think also in our gym, we're fortunate enough to be surrounded by really fit, healthy people striving to be the best versions of themselves. Yeah, pretty constantly, and then we start comparing ourselves amongst each other and all you got to do is take a little walk outside these doors and you're like yeah I'm literally in the top 0.1 percent of society I can't remember the stat exactly, but, but it was just so mind blowing.
Speaker 3:It was like you know, a certain percentage of America can't even jog a mile, or something like that.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:I want to say and it was an alarming percentage of people.
Speaker 1:Like 90% of men after age 30 will never sprint again. Yeah, I was like damn Age 30, never sprint again. Yeah, I was like damn Age 30, never sprint again. Like what Men that can't do pull-ups, push-ups can't do anything. Like we're just a physically incapable society and I hate to sound so negative about it and it's frustrating.
Speaker 1:And being quote-unquote fitness leader, it's something I think about often is how do you help people take that step forward to overcome the quote unquote you know, dad bod mentality, to start striving for excellence in your health and fitness, whether it be for yourself, for your family, for the people you work with, whether it be for yourself, for your family, for the people you work with.
Speaker 1:It's a very interesting thought experiment on why some people, a lot of people, the majority of our culture and I get it, you know a lot of houses need two incomes and you've got to juggle kids and you've got, you know, eight, ten hours a day of work and our society rewards climbing the corporate chain if you will. Yeah, but I do believe there's a shift coming where people are starting to wake up and like pills aren't going to, you know, help me thrive for the rest of my life and I don't want that and I have to take agency for my own health. And the younger you can start, the better. So as you guys journey into this next chapter of your life and whatnot, I'm going to be holding you pretty accountable.
Speaker 4:As you always have no dad bod life. No, absolutely not. We're going to keep grinding. We're trying to break that chain for sure.
Speaker 1:It's honestly your generation that needs to. Yeah, Like my generation, it kind of got sucked into it. I mean, I see it at my kids' sports and this and that, and, like you, just look at this, you know pretty massive field with you know 10 different soccer teams, for instance, right now, and you just glance around and you know, everybody's super nice, but I ain't trying to go to war with any of these people.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, it's like I don't know if they could play. You know kids soccer for 30 minutes and the lack of physical capacity amongst you know a lot of society. It's heartbreaking yeah and I wish I knew how to obviously motivate the masses, but it comes down to. Just what I've had to wrap my head around is how can I influence one person at a time?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And try to do it, try not to be that walking dick face guy and, I guess, be a little more empathetic. But also you've got to call people on their shit, yeah, and their excuses, yeah, because there's a lot of excuses out there in my mind. Like you can find an hour a day, right, yeah, I mean you, you have, you got time right now. We know that, but I mean, you still find the time damn near every single day yeah, there's to your point on that.
Speaker 3:Like there is, there is always an hour you can find you know, when I like. When I first started coming here at 5 am, I was in the office. At 3 am we'd be in the office. Yeah, we'd start our shift, we start working. Whatever change at work, jam down here, hit the workout, no shower, right back to the office, work all day. And then, you know, the first couple years I was still in school, so I was going to night classes too.
Speaker 3:Yep, maybe you know, four hours, five hours on a on a good night of sleep and just you know I don't build the mental muscle.
Speaker 1:It's probably not the healthiest thing long term, but you still I was in my early 20s.
Speaker 3:I definitely don't condone that, like I don't know. I definitely wouldn't want to do that again.
Speaker 1:But there's no question, you can find it and grind it.
Speaker 3:You can definitely find it for sure. That's why 5 am is a big deal for me, because if I don't go to 5 am, the odds of me being able to go to noon is less likely than the afternoon. It's like forget about it. That's my time.
Speaker 1:And you get it done. I mean, some days you're at the gym before I am. Sometimes, yep, sometimes, yeah, that's, that's pretty awesome. Next topic mental health. May happens to be mental health awareness month, if you guys didn't know that, did not know that. So I'm going to be here to see me on the gram harping and moaning about mental health. But in all fun, I think it's a massive deal that's not discussed at all and I think it's kind of like it shows weakness if you talk about how you're struggling with anxiety or you know some depressive symptoms. I also think some people take it a little too far and use it as a crutch for everything else, yeah, but I am a big advocate of mental health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's super important and should be taken as serious in the medical community. As you know, your arm getting crushed I mean obviously your leg getting bopped off in a car wreck is more acute than dealing with some anxiety when it comes to your life. But there's no question that the mental health of our society in general it's tragic and I personally feel fitness is a primary tool for myself when it comes to managing my anxiety, because I tend to and can get very anxious, which going on long enough will lead me to being. My wife say I need to. She told me I had to go therapy like depressive symptoms and like struggling, and then for me it's either alcohol or exercise.
Speaker 1:yeah, that's my turn to use like to manage anxiety and yeah, both of them went sideways right so over, beat myself down in the gym and leads to injury, which in turn leads to I can't do what I love doing. And then I get frustrated and I'm barely working out two or three days a week. And you know, I own this gym. I need to be a leader. You start going down that spiraling deal and then have some drinks end of the day one, two, three drinks to kind of curb the anxiousness. You think you sleep well, but then you wake up the next day and anxiety is like two, three notches higher than it was the day before and that, for me, ends up into another downward spiral. Yeah, Um, it's all not good. Yeah, Um, how do you guys manage? You know, mental fatigue, stress, anxiety. You deal with anything like that. If you want to chat about it, if not, totally get it. But I'm not here to be a therapist, but I also think that men are supposed to lock their stuff inside and not talk about it yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd say you know, in the past I mean still kind of what you mentioned, like keeping a lot of stuff in, bottling a lot of stuff up, is kind of I guess, how I've dealt with the majority of things. You know I like to process a ton internally and sometimes that's good for me. Sometimes I really stand by that and feel like I have a good head on my shoulders where I can do that by that and feel like I have a good head on my shoulders where I can do that. But I've also seen that react negatively, you know, when that kind of boils up and and comes out in other ways.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I mean just with the mix of what working at ITS and the stress level and time commitment that comes with that, you know, like I was wasn't in the best place probably for a couple years, early years, that um, I first started at double edge um, but I think I was missing that kind of competitive and um, you know athleticism and kind of just moving, moving my body around, but but for a purpose. You know, not just going to the gym just to go to the gym, because that's that's what I do now. I I'm done with sports, but I'd definitely say coming to the gym has helped a ton with my mentality, with my mindset too, and kind of put me in a better place. Then, to come along with that too, it's like okay, when I'm into working out, right, then it's going to lead me to take better care of myself, and that's what the gym has done for me. Yep, yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I can definitely say the same. Like I said, when I first came to Double Edge I was 215 pounds and probably a little over a year removed from football, and during that time I was definitely kind of going through it, you know myself, and the mentality has always been just like deal with it, like I'm not going to talk to anybody about it, I'm not going to you know, go to therapy about it or whatever.
Speaker 3:And there I found myself, like I said, 215 pounds, drinking multiple nights a week, just like not doing shit, and I was like fuck, I gotta make a change, like this is not right. Like I'd be, I'd be coming home sleeping on the couch, my brothers would leave for school and they'd be coming back from school.
Speaker 3:I'd still be sleeping on the couch and just like a huge piece of shit, you know and I was like, but I was so upset because I was like my mind was so set on going division one and going big time and things like that, so as soon as it didn't happen, I just like didn't know how to deal with it yeah and then, so you know, year goes by, whatever, just not taking care of myself, doing stupid shit and not taking care of my body and drinking, and found double edge and I was like, oh shit, like the physical aspect of getting back after it just changed completely.
Speaker 3:Like I want to get in shape more than I want to do anything else. I want to, you know, clean 315 better than I want to do anything else. Like that was my like, that's my main motivation is like getting better. And then the competition, you know aspect of it is like just set it over the top, cause there's nothing better than competing in my, in my mind.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean this last weekend. For me, like I love competing, you know, and finding those areas that you can compete in and push yourself and challenge yourself, I think it's, I think it's healthy.
Speaker 4:Definitely.
Speaker 1:You know it brings out the best in you I agree um, it can bring out bad parts of some people get a little weird about it, but, um, I do think it is healthy and I think that is one of the big upsides of the cross environment. But it has to be and it kept in its bucket yeah like it's just too easy to get especially when you're athletic background to get competitive every single day yeah no.
Speaker 1:And um, now that you guys are 30 and you know getting up there in the years, it's important to listen to your body. Yeah, you know, if you're feeling good, push. Yeah, if you need a down day doesn't mean we don't move, but it means we have a down day. That's totally fine. Human body is not meant to be a hundred percent every single day, no, so you have to balance out both mentally and physically. You know what's going on, like you can't come in here and push If you got a bunch of stuff outside the gym going on. You know it's that's hard to do. I mean there's quite a few months there for me. We're trying to figure out Claire's stuff. It was just about moving. You know, maintain best.
Speaker 1:I can, and more for my mental health.
Speaker 1:Just move so that you know I can deal with the stresses in other areas of my life, because it's inevitable, like you're, there's always going to be something that pops up in life to smack you upside the head when you didn't see it.
Speaker 1:And another thing I think society is missing as a whole in a big way is resilience, the ability to deal with stress, the ability to deal with unfortunate circumstances and situations. And I think one of the few places that nowadays I mean you guys ever watch that show like what is it? 1984, yellowstone, like the prequels to Yellowstone with Tim McGraw, so they're basically coming up the Oregon Trail as a family and then the Dutton family establishes their compound in Montana or whatever, but getting the history of the Oregon Trail, that's a different level of resilience. I mean these motherfuckers get on a boat and I, like Ireland or something, come over the ocean, yeah, like we're going to go get this plot of land up here and we're going to have 17 kids, cause you know, 15 of them are probably going to die on the way and we need a couple of the carry on the legacy.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so it's like every single day is adversity. Yeah, and nowadays, I mean as far as society in general, life's pretty cushy for the majority of people. I mean, if it wasn't, we wouldn't have the obesity problem in our country. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, like like the hardships of life are definitely different now than it was 50, 60, you know, 100 years ago. And with that, I think people's inability to deal with stress, difficult circumstances, is like really gone out the wayside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I think sports is a great way you know for children to develop, you know some resiliency, but personally I think one of the best places nowadays to develop mental toughness and resiliency is in a gym. Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1:Like getting in here doing things you didn't think you could do, pushing a little harder, holding yourself accountable to showing up Like that in itself can be very difficult and be a challenge to overcome. Like I made this promise to myself, like I'm going to hit these goals, I'm going to get in and get it done. And overcoming what gets thrown at you during the day is a place to build resiliency, not just health and fitness. It's important, but I think all that does really work together. Yeah, it's important, but I think all that does really work together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and obviously you guys have overcome things and overcome excuses creeping into your thought process throughout the day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean just the I can't statement. Yeah, it sounds cliche, but I hear it every day, every day at work or just whatever. My younger brothers, it's just like dude. As soon as you have that in your head and you start thinking that I can't, then you won't. Yeah 100%.
Speaker 1:If I can't make the time, don't have the time. It's like no, it's not a priority.
Speaker 3:Yeah, legitimately Like oh, I can't go to the gym today. Probably can, you probably can.
Speaker 1:You probably can I would argue that majority of people can find an hour to do something physical for their health. Yeah and um. I mean, just look at your screen time app on your phone. It gets amazing how much time I still rack up on that damn thing. Scary it is. How much if you're. How much has your?
Speaker 4:gone up. God, I haven't looked I haven't looked, but I'm trying to uh spend a lot of time here as opposed to anywhere else.
Speaker 4:But no, yeah, I think just throughout our journeys, our fitness journey, I think going back and forth and um at at certain times like I'd say, just the start of this year, right, like one of the biggest wins I would consider a big win was is just making um showing up to the gym being a non-negotiable, like at the time when I started to get after it or try to make the decision to say like, hey, we're gonna get after this and we're gonna stick to the diet, we're gonna work out.
Speaker 4:I mean showing up to group class, when you said you're going to or getting something in, whether it's like, hey, I can't make group class, so I gotta, I gotta come early, do some work on the side, I mean that's, that's a non-negotiable for you and you do that, that's that's a huge win. So kind of just building off that. But you know kind of what carl was saying as soon as you kind of start making excuses or you're like, oh, I can't really do that or something's kind of tight, you know it's just that's you saying like, oh, I can't make that work or you probably won't or you don't want to, you know, and just kind of making your routine or hey, I'm going to go to the gym or I'm going to do this, and making that a non-negotiable is like the biggest part of getting started, and just like holding yourself accountable and then hold, you do hold yourself accountable and you follow through. It's like that's that becomes a habit.
Speaker 1:It's like no no big deal, and then you feel good, yeah, it's like self-rewarding prophecy exactly like when you can look back on your week and did you do what you promised yourself you're gonna do, versus getting to friday and be like I had this excuse. I had this excuse and then I'll start again on monday, and then it doesn't do the inverse of that and you find out how quickly you can build momentum.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's a snowball effect and it works both ways. It works both ways. You start slacking in the gym. You take one day off. Next thing you know it's three and it's a week and it's like holy shit. I haven't been in the gym in two weeks and I've definitely done that with my job.
Speaker 3:I've gone months, months, unfortunately during, during peak seasons, where I'm like shit like I haven't been in gym in legitimately two months just because I'm working every day. But looking back, like I know I could have found an hour to to come back in and make you know any kind of a difference for myself. And that's like now like I'm in such a good like rhythm when like the snowball effect is the other way yeah I'm like, oh shit, I can't wait for tomorrow to work out tomorrow or Saturday's workout or whatever.
Speaker 3:You know, like we're training for a half marathon, like shit. I can't wait for the next run. So like it's cool to see how like it can definitely work both ways and it's obviously a lot more rewarding.
Speaker 1:Do you feel that when you start creating momentum in the gym, it spills over into other, like your family life, your professional life? Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Everything. I think it's all correlated. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4:My, my uh college coach always said uh, he'd. He'd always tell us he's like you guys are afraid to succeed. It's like you're, you're scared of the succession. I never understood that, because we would lose games and all that We'd put in the work. And I'm like, why is he telling us that we don't want to win or we're afraid to succeed? That makes no sense. Then, after I graduated and everything, I was like, oh my God, I totally kind of understand what he meant by that. And it's just when you do succeed and you do finally hit that, hit that point, then you're you have to hold yourself to that next line of accountability. And it's like, okay, like I don't want to succeed here, I don't want to get the big hit. In that situation, I don't want to strike this guy out to win the game or come through big and whatever it is, because, oh shit, like that's the next line for me, like, and now, next time I'm going to be held to that level, right.
Speaker 4:I'm going to be expected to come in and be the guy to get the job done. And it's crazy how, like you know, I wanted to win. I was a competitor in college, I wanted to play at the next level, but like it took me, I'd say, a couple years after I graduated to finally like take that to heart. And that resonated with me. I was like Holy shit, like that's what he meant, like he wasn't just being an asshole saying like you guys are soft and you guys don't want to win, so that's, that's something that I I mean I haven't forgotten that since. So I kind of I honestly I love that now.
Speaker 4:Yeah no, it's powerful.
Speaker 1:No, being scared to hold yourself to this new standard, and I think it's also a fear of failure, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you move up to whatever this is, and then the fear of regression. Yeah, and you know, and I think that's what comes back to the micro wins, the micro goals, you just keep building on that point. The cool thing about fitness, as you keep building it, doesn't? It takes a lot of work to get here and here, but once you get to a certain level, it's okay to go kind of in the maintenance zone and you can maintain pretty well, especially if your goal and focus is long-term health and fitness. I'm still trying to improve, but I'm not trying to push the envelope to where it's like, you know, olympics or shit like that.
Speaker 1:Like you know, you can constantly make improvements and growth and the biggest thing is consistency. Yeah, like it is the single most important thing. It's not rocket science training, it's consistency in what you put in your mouth. It's consistency in the gym, and it just keeps stacking up, yeah, and it keeps stacking up, and then your new baseline gets a little higher, gets a little higher, and if you have a chapter of your life that sets you back, the good thing is we'll call it a stretch reflex. Like muscle memory, it's much easier to retract a little bit and your body actually bounces back even quicker. Now, if you totally shut it off and just give up on yourself, like that's not a long-term success plan.
Speaker 1:But there are moments where you can go six, eight weeks and, yeah, it's not ideal yeah but if you've put in all the base work leading up to that, it's gonna bounce back as long as you start getting back after it. I will say, the older you get when you take time off, you've got to be really intelligent about the comeback 100%, you know that's. I don't want to say I get anxious about it, but I try to be much more intentional now about my time off from the gym. Yeah, and there's going to be, you know, a week or two weeks here. I'm not going to get much in and this and that, and like just making sure you're doing enough to maintain because, yeah, that's one thing I've noticed in the last couple years is the bounce back is a little different. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Still happens. Oh yeah and um. That's just something to definitely be mindful of. Is you keep grinding to the higher standard and um?
Speaker 3:yeah, I mean, I definitely feel it now a whole lot more than my early twenties. Like the bounce back game. Like I said, like my first year in the gym, it was like I'm right back.
Speaker 1:Dude my early twenties. I had some of my best workouts and PRs hung over.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Crazy how that works.
Speaker 1:How the body, like I, was just carb loading all those beers Um now it's like I can't.
Speaker 3:I mean, if I we have some drinks like fuck, or if I take a few days off the gym, I feel like I lost a shit ton of progress and that maybe that's the case. Maybe it's not, but I definitely feel it, or like mentally it's like what I'm thinking? I'm like shit, I'm taking 10 steps backwards just because I'm taking a few days off or I'm not eating, and sometimes those few days off, also launch the next chapter forward yeah because your body actually heals and recovers.
Speaker 1:So being very intentional about the training time, knowing your body and when it's a good time to back off, is extremely valuable, especially as we get older. Yeah, because, like healing and recovery matter, I find with myself if I haven't moved for three, four days I start getting really stiff, yeah, and I don't feel good. Um, but some, you know, oftentimes the comeback will be a new pr. You know body's feeling better, it's recovered, but it's not like take four days off and come back and pr that monday. It's usually like after a good week of nice training again and then the body's just like snapping back yeah, I mean, I feel like a lot of prs come after some sort of you know break or rest and then you get back into it.
Speaker 1:Yep, for me anyways but, yeah, in my mind you have to earn that time off because you put in a bunch of work, so making sure you're taking the time off appropriately as far as still taking care of yep, exactly. Well, I don't got a whole lot more here. Guys Got any last-minute tips and tricks for the potential newbie looking to? Try to come into the gym Not be intimidated by it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't be intimidated by 5 am Maybe start out not with 5 am.
Speaker 4:Work your way down from 4.30.
Speaker 1:4.30 is the one you pick, huh, because that's like the afternoon class that has a reputation.
Speaker 4:I'd say every class here has a reputation. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about that real quick. The small community you've been around a lot of classes. You come in the afternoon and mornings, but every single class in this gym has its own community.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like its own network of friends. Like both of you guys are pretty connected across multiple classes with people that you didn't meet till here. Yeah, Um, like that's a. It's a big deal and I don't want it to sound scary, but it is a big thing. Like every class is its own.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was. I was actually going to call that out as one of my gym wins. Yeah, is one of my gym wins. Non-athletic is like. I did make a ton of friends and I have a different network of friends from different classes. 5 am noon afternoon. It's cool. I've got some really good people in my corner.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the community here is awesome. I mean, I don't want to scare people when I say like hey 5 am is tough to kind of integrate into.
Speaker 4:But you know, at the same time, like the community here is built up of members who are absolutely getting after it. I mean, yeah, sure, like a little bit older, but some of the most consistent people I've ever seen, right to the point where it's like if I don't hear somebody's going on vacation and they don't show up to class, I'm like what's wrong? And I think that there's a lot of pride and there's a lot of respect. So when you go into a new class, it's like they'll welcome you with open arms but you need to earn. It's almost like you need to earn the respect of like hey, I'm joining the community to get after it, I want to be fit, and then you're accepted. I want to be fit and then you're accepted. But I think that's just one of the cool, that's one of the things that makes this place so special, is that aspect of the community and the culture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a culture of people that hold each other accountable. So, the new people coming in, putting in the work, you're going to become part of the community.
Speaker 3:And it shows the people who stay here for so long are the people that have the same common goals, or you know what? I mean they're the drive to get after and get better yep and most of them and like every aspect of their life.
Speaker 1:I mean I've seen so many people's multiple aspects of their lives improve through fitness in the community. I mean, I've seen marriages take place, people meet at the gym, multiple job changes and evolutions, promotions, starting families, like so many positive things outside the gym, festered inside the community that has self-built in these walls and it comes down to one common thing of people working hard together and showing up, putting in the work. Every day it becomes infectious. You know it's not just me or one other coach, it's a group of people like you guys make me better in a big way, like I feel it's important for me to be a leader as much as I can for the fittest people in the gym and try to lead a standard and it makes me better and the whole thing works in a circle and I think it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah not to terrify people from 5 am, but I mean, it's a group of diehards who train consistently every single day and it's a big group. Yeah, that's why I took it off the schedule. Yeah, it was hard for me as a coach to integrate somebody brand new to crossfit yeah and it's just I want them to have a great experience, so smaller classes definitely help out with that.
Speaker 1:Just in general yeah so if you're looking for an early morning, 5 am 6 am class. I happen to coach two days a week at our south location and you know there are little smaller groups down there very welcoming, warm community also and yeah.
Speaker 4:I've been to a couple you did. That should be. My next thing is I've got to start hitting some south times. Get integrated over there, you should. I'm so diehard midtown man I get it.
Speaker 1:It was difficult for me to start coaching down there Like this is my home gym, this is the one I run, my brother runs that one, and it was like new kid in class feeling when I started coaching down there. And now that I've been doing it, what for six, seven, eight, well, chris, eight, well, chris, eight months? Now they're all rad too. I mean, every class is different. Every class has its own personality, its own vibe and it's all good. Everybody's there for the same common goal they're putting in the work. And once you have that foundation, it's like the different personalities, different life experiences that like adds up to multiple levels of value.
Speaker 1:I feel like my life has evolved since getting to know more people within the own double-edged community and getting around to other classes and both gyms and it's been super cool. Yeah, it's been, it's been cool. So I've been telling like I I tell South folks, I tell a handful of them like get around to the other classes, the other coaches, like it's cool, so take advantage of that, go down there and share some Midtown love.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:We'll see. We'll see. You still live in South Reno, right? Yeah, yeah. So you drive by South Jim coming here Come here, yeah, flies by South Jim going 95.
Speaker 4:No, no speed south reno right. Yeah, yeah, so you drive by south jim coming here to come here. Yeah, flies by south jim going 95. No, no speed limit guy for sure?
Speaker 1:yes, guaranteed. Where do you live? Where's your house northwest? You're in the northwest, all right. So, yeah, this, this is easier. Yeah, definitely, no, I mean, I know a handful of folks that live in the northwest and in sparks that go to south really drive by midtown.
Speaker 1:I know people in in South Reno that come I mean besides you to Midtown. It's like, once you have your people, your community, you know and so forth, your habit, your routine. I mean you work right up the street, so that also is a big deal. But come on, come, hit up. You did do that one five. What workout did we do? That was a hero workout, wasn't it Was it 9-11?
Speaker 3:It was, it was 9-11. You came and did with me at South. That was brutal.
Speaker 4:That was gross. It doesn't get any easier.
Speaker 1:Never. You might get faster at it, but it's still awful. Yeah, all right, boys, appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4:Thanks for having us Sharing your stories.
Speaker 1:I feel like I got to know both of you a little better. I had no clue. You played college football.
Speaker 3:I played football for 13 years, fuck.
Speaker 1:So you're like every Sunday, just giving up to football Are you that guy.
Speaker 3:No, I know you're a diehard Raiders fan I am, but I don't pay attention as much as you would think.
Speaker 1:Is the Raiders culture really that strange? Like a bunch of assholes.
Speaker 3:You know, I think it depends who you ask. You ask me, you know, we're all pretty nice guys and girls, whatever, but I followed no professional sports.
Speaker 1:I never have, I don't know particular reason, and I just grew up in a house that didn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I mean, uh, sports is a big part of my life, but I wouldn't say I like I gotta have a game on every night or I gotta have each and every football game. I don't you know, I'll watch my raiders play or I'll watch playoff basketball much you know playoff baseball, things like that, but yeah, definitely not, you don't live to get to sunday football.
Speaker 1:No, no not anymore were you upset when the raiders moved to Vegas I was pretty pissed. I was Are you okay with it now? Because you went to school in the Bay Area, so it was kind of a Bay Area thing. Well, it was like Oakland.
Speaker 3:My first ever professional game was in Oakland. We flew into Oakland from Maui so my first recollection of a young child of a professional football game was in Oakland, and that's the only other games I've been to. And so like the fan base is just so hardcore and it was like the coolest feeling. And then, like when I went to school there for college, like it was like just dope my team's right here and then that's when like golden state and even, uh, the giants were winning a shit ton of games.
Speaker 3:So like the city was just so fucking awesome to be in and the people to be around. And so once they left Oakland I was like fuck man. They kind of just gutted the city of the silver and black. But I don't really care anymore, it's what it is. It's all money and politics I have zero control over, so why worry about it? Definitely don't have any control over it.
Speaker 1:Worry about it you know, definitely don't have any control over it. What's your favorite team?
Speaker 4:no, I'm a Niners guy but kind of like like Cara, I don't really keep up with it that much. Um, I honestly prefer to watch college football on Saturdays when it's in action if there's like a good primeetime game on. But yeah, not too invested in the professional sports realm at least like I used to be. But you know, playoff time is always the best time. It's when the guys care and they're getting after it. It's fun to watch.
Speaker 1:I try, and it's funny because, being the quintessential gym guy, a lot of members assume that I am like into pro sports. Did you watch that game?
Speaker 2:did you say no, man, I have no clue what you're talking about. No, I don't think you'd be a ufc annoys the hell out of me really, like some of the bigger fights, but the ufc, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just never could get into it. In college I had a like a very brief moment of thinking. I wanted to translate wrestling into some UFC and I just hate getting punched.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Got into some fights in college and like it's not fun, yeah. And nowadays like to be honest if you're going to get in a fight, I'm going to walk away, and if it's going to be like that, just shoot you.
Speaker 3:Like I ain't trying to throw punches anymore and like you know, I love watching ufc.
Speaker 1:Let me clarify yeah, television, we're not trying to live that downtown I never could get into it like I tried to follow it. I wanted to enjoy it because of my wrestling background and a lot of wrestlers get into ufc and really good I don't know maybe because every single time it's pay-per-view and either you got to pay the pay-per-view and when I had no money it's like that sucks, or I have to go hang out at bullies yeah, so yeah, it's fair yeah yeah, good points, but we still ride or die ufc man, we love it yeah, that's probably the biggest thing I pay attention to now.
Speaker 3:There's really no.
Speaker 1:I mean, I I don't have any negative problems with that, I just never got into it. I don't know, we gotta have.
Speaker 3:We'll have you over on one of these fight nights.
Speaker 1:All right. Yeah, I don't even know who's fighting anymore. I think George st Pierre was like one of the last guys, I've kind of followed.
Speaker 4:I mean, there's one of the goats right there, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So, Cool, All right fellas.
Speaker 4:Let's get back to work. Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I appreciate it. See you sometime. See you at five Yep.