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#113 - Longevity Advice Is Simple Until Marketing Ruins It

• Derek and Jacob Wellock • Episode 113

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Your feed is packed with “longevity experts” who have the credentials, the acronyms, and the confidence but somehow keep repeating the same advice with more hype and less help. We get real about doctors on Instagram, the temptation to sell complex formulas, and why academic authority can turn into arrogance when bedside manner disappears. We’re not anti-doctor at all. We’re pro good doctors, honest conversations, and patients who learn how to advocate for themselves without walking in with a pre-written diagnosis.

We also unpack why modern healthcare so often feels like sick care: reactive medicine, rushed visits, and a system that struggles to prioritize prevention. Along the way we share personal stories from the gym world, the damage of blanket advice like “never squat,” and a deeper look at blood work, endocrine health, testosterone, and HRT as a tool when it’s done responsibly with the right provider.

Then we pivot to what might be the most useful “health protocol” of all: time management. We break down the excuses around meal prep, workouts, and sleep and replace them with practical tactics like grocery delivery, simple repeatable meals, fast dinner systems for busy families, and auditing your screen time. We also talk doom scrolling, dopamine whiplash, setting app limits, using tools that block mindless phone use, and why living by your calendar keeps the important things from becoming optional.

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Off The Cuff Hot Takes

SPEAKER_01

What's up, Double Edged Fitness fam, all of our fans, our raving fans, you sexy folk, everyone out there doing the damn thing. Today we got a hell of an episode for you, actually. We're going off the cuff a lot today. Um, a little less formal off the cuff. Do you know where that came from? I don't know. Probably someone with cuffs on. So um we're going off the cuff, a little less formal today. We got some general topics we're gonna talk about, but then we're just gonna kind of like freestyle it out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're getting. Do you say full retard? We're going full retard. Tropic Thunder. Yep.

SPEAKER_01

Coming at you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. If you guys haven't watched that movie, it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01

Um okay. Well, we're

Doctors As Instagram Longevity Brands

SPEAKER_01

gonna dive right into a hot topic. Go ahead. What you said earlier was pretty good to start it off. Say what you said.

SPEAKER_00

That there are a tremendous amount of medical providers across the board that are all of a sudden Instagram influencers, longevity experts. And my hot take on that is they're a bunch, they're regurgitating and annoying.

SPEAKER_01

That was way more politically correct than what you said a few minutes ago.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

After the Tropic Thunder reference, I thought you were just gonna let it loose. Um, we're gonna talk about doctors, how important they are, but sometimes how this academic authority that they live off of. Um, I mean, lack for a better term, can be fucking idiots. So there, there's my hot. I mean, I have a lot of experience with some doctors that really don't make your quality of life better. Um, there are great doctors. It's kind of like I I think of them as like a college professor. You can have a great college professor that makes or breaks a class for you. You can have a great doctor that makes or breaks for you. And like Assy, great doctor.

SPEAKER_00

Um, what do you say? What do you call the doctor that God sees through school? Still a doctor? Doctor. Yep. It's like any profession, right? That's there's good and bad in every profession. Yeah. But you like to think that when you're going into medicine and that enormous amount of education you're getting and doing that, you know, when you get those credentials, if there's a certain standard that is being upheld. And the longer that I'm alive and the more that I experience and interact with, you know, medical people and basically anybody of this industry, everybody's human. And there's good and there's bad. And you nowadays, particularly, and it's a balance, but you have to be your own advocate for your health care. But on the flip side of that, and that is why I say you got to work with somebody who's smart, experienced, cares about the big picture, you know, all these things. But you also can't go in with chat GPT symptoms and diagnosis and like tell your provider like this is you know, this is what you need to fix. So I'm trying to look at this from both sides here. And it started out as doom scrolling Instagram. And ever since the downfall, if you will, of Peter Otia, who I think brought a lot of good um to primary care medicine, but highlighted this longevity medical kind of angle on the profession. And tell me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't doctors have been longevity experts from the fucking beginning?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. It's really the power of influence, being an influencer in a social space, gaining clout, trying to come up with your own verbiage, jumping on a trending bandwagon. Like, how can you set yourself apart as a brand and a marketing thing? And a lot of these some of the worst advice are from people with the highest credentials. But to your point, like being a doctor should, in and of itself, you are essentially training and going through that much schooling for longevity purpose.

Prevention Versus Reactive Medicine

SPEAKER_00

But we can get into the conspiracy theories of like how medical schools were originally funded when they started up and coming in the country, what the driver was, maybe potentially, who knows, ish behind pharmacology driving the education of medicine when medical schools started popping up early 1900s, um, and how the education was built and driven around that. It wasn't built and driven around prevention, it was built and driven around reactive medicine, if you will. Like you get sick, now let's do something. Here's a drug, and it's all symptom-based management versus prevention-based management. And it's pretty obvious. Uh, I think COVID honestly blew the hat off of all of it. People were really tired of being told there's there's no other way other than a vaccine or a drug or this. And then during COVID, it was the healthy people, the people that exercised, the people that ate healthy, the people who didn't have comorbidities going on that had no issues with COVID. And it's like, oh, so taking care of our health preventatively is advantageous for us. And I think during COVID, I mean, that's when Andrew Huberman he just recently talked about how he started his podcast during COVID to just bring some health and wellness advice to people. I mean, everybody's on lockdown. What can you do? How can you influence? And it just grew into this big movement. He's kind of the big, probably the biggest catalyst at the beginning of all that that took off. And he's not a technical medical doctor, he teaches at Stanford Medicine, but yeah, he's a smart fucker, though. Yeah, super smart, down to earth, real, real guy, from all that I can tell. And um, so you have people like him putting out great content, and I I do think Peter Tia up until he ended up in the effing Epstein files, being a pervert. It's disappointing, but I think he put out and did a ton of good in the long-term health space and the longevity space and bringing awareness for medical providers to start thinking outside the box of what is reactive medicine, if you will, of just symptom management versus let's start being very proactive in our approach to long-term health and prevention. And I mean, I said this long time ago. I mean, his book Outlive at the time of my life that I read it played a huge impact in how I approached my own health. And then you layer that in on top of everything that happened with Claire is just this big evolution in my own approach to health and the overarching picture of that. But now it's like every time you open up the Instagram, which I'm actively managing my time on now, you just see this doctor says this about longevity. Scroll down a little bit. This doctor just regurgitated what they said. And at the end of the day, it's like you can only say so much stuff. Like health and being healthy and doing healthy things, it's they it seems like the space is trying to make it sound super complex. And when it's complex, it sucks. It gets engagement. And the but it's just it's not like eat healthy whole food, drink water, exercise, increase your strength, mobility, flexibility, stability. So exercise regularly, increase your VO2 max, optimize your sleep. And it's like every time you turn around, there's some random double-blind placebo-controlled trial about this, that, or the other that's like, yeah, okay, cool. So and there's just this constant now regurgitation of the same simple shit over and over and over. But they try to make it sound complex. And it's just annoying as all hell. And I hope it doesn't start hurting the space, is what I'm getting at, because I think a lot of good has come from it. And I think there's been a great push forward uh amongst medical providers to start, you know, being more open with their patients about having quote unquote difficult conversations about improving, putting the work in the gym, improving your muscle mass, doing exercise versus just defaulting to prescription writing to manage symptoms. So um, I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful, but I will say, in many ways, I'm also very much overviewing the regurgitated garbage that just keeps coming out over and over and over again. Word. Word.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, mine's my take's pretty simple. Um, anyone that speaks in in absolutes that their way is the only way, or that this complex, sexy formula is their way, because everyone's just trying to come up with their own brand, their way to set themselves apart. Like, like Peter Atia, obviously, before I'm being a sick fuck, um, he was the first to coin like the longevity like topic. Yeah, like that, like everyone knew understands like what that means, but he's the one that put a brand around it. Um Andrew Huberman, one of the first ones to jump in all these different kinds of topics as an authority in the space, but he's likable because the way he speaks is not in this, like, you know, I am the only one that knows all, and you must do everything that I say.

SPEAKER_00

Well, the vibe I get from Andrew Huberman, too, is he's very curious.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Like he wants to understand and learn more, and what he says isn't set in stone. Um, like medicine is the practice of medicine, right? Being a doctor, like they're practicing doctors because they're constantly learning. Right. So even our own experience in the gym and personally with injuries, which was a topic we'll get into later.

Bad Bedside Manner And Bad Advice

SPEAKER_01

Um, talking to some doctors, and this sounds like I'm shooting on doctors. I think where I get fired up is like, I think more like the bedside manner with them comes from that point of academic authority, that misapplied authority. Like, I am, because I did all this schooling and spent all this money to do all this, I am automatically better than you. So anything that I say, you're beneath me and you need to take everything I say 100%, I know it all. Yeah. And that can be really detrimental to some people and their like psyches, especially if you don't, even if the information you're saying is good, if you're saying it from a point of like arrogance and con being condescending, like it's it's fucked up. Yeah. And I think bedside manner for a lot of doctors, and I've seen a lot of doctors all the injuries I've had through motocross and everything else. There's I've had more negatives with doctors in this sense than I have had with positives. It's always sad seeing a member go through an experience like this and come back and their doctor, like, um, I got I got an actual argument with a doctor in the gym trying to tell me that health and fitness is actually bad for you. Like exercise, like strength training is bad for you. No one should strength train. Like, like, but this is a person who went through $500,000 to a million dollars in debt of going through hell of school for a long ass time as a trusted authority to tell people that exercise is bad for you.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And people will listen to that and be like, oh, I can't do it. I've even had it come in here and be like, oh, my doctor said I can't squat because it's bad for my knees, and the doctor knows all. That's not fucking true.

SPEAKER_00

That's not true.

SPEAKER_01

Like, there's just and then there are good doctors, right? That understand what we do. I actually care about their people. Like, it's a very passionate topic for me because I've seen it, it's happened with me, like with my knee issues in my teen years. Doctors straight up when we first started this whole fitness thing, doctor, a very popular doctor in town, very big name specialist. Why I went to go see him, and he just straight up told me to just change profession, stop doing any athletic thing I like to do, take up biking and change professions, like get into IT where I'm like sitting and not using my legs. Literally was his solution for me. I remember that. And I'm an 18-year-old. I remember that. And like, if I wasn't so fucking stubborn, like that was like heartbreaking for me to hear, like, oh my god, I went to this guy as like maybe he's gonna be the one to help me figure out what's going on with my knees. And that was his solution. And through my own stubbornness, I did my own researching and my own powering through and experimenting and strength training and getting through that. My knees have never been in a greater spot. Um, but if I weren't that way and I just did what he said as a teenager, I would have been like, oh man, my athletic endeavors and everything are over. I just quit. You know, he's the doctor, he knows. And he doesn't give a fuck. He's gonna go home that night. He don't care about you. Like he just saying what's written on a paper and a chart or an x-ray or whatever it is, and just say, Yeah, man, fuck it. Whatever. Like, and this sounds like I'm shitting on doctors, but I'm really not. I just, it is such a sensitive, vulnerable position for a lot of people that if the doctor doesn't actually understand what that's what they're saying in that sense, like it can be very detrimental. And then to their defense, I will say it can also be tiring if you have um clients or patients, patients, not clients, patients come in who are not willing to do any of the work and are lazy as fuck and just want the magic pill and to not do shit. That can be exhausting for the doctor if they're just dealing with those people constantly, which in a lot of ways they are. Yeah. But I think there needs to be a level of differentiation between like if someone comes in like to the gym with us and they don't want to work hard, they don't give a fuck. They just want, they're just here to go through the motions. Like, kind of tell them, like, yeah, this is kind of the results you're gonna get. Like, I'm just gonna make sure you're not moving like shit. I'm gonna do my best to try and help you be better. But if you're not willing to meet me halfway, then I'm not gonna be a dick about it, but then you're gonna get the results that you deserve. Versus someone's like, I want to work hard, you're like, all right, let's go. Like, you're gonna help facilitate what that person, their input to you is, right? So being able to differentiate who you put your time, who you care for is a big deal. And it's just more sensitive, more vulnerable in that space because they are quote unquote that authority because they did go through all of that schooling to become that person.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I

HRT Advocacy And Getting Dismissed

SPEAKER_00

mean, on the other side, when I was trying to navigate my whole endocrine system, trying to figure out as a late 30-year-old why I feel like shit all the time, and understanding my blood work and why does my body not produce testosterone? And you know, I pretty much taught myself HRT and like me and Cassie together, because you know, a few years ago this was still relatively new. Now it's a hot topic, hot topic. And I I think Peter T was probably one of the biggest catalysts in the space to get HRT relevant for both men and women as a vital conversation to have uh for your long-term health, uh, to start getting away from the taboo behind it. And if your goal is to just is to feel good and support yourself metabolically, HRT can be a great tool if you need it. Um when I was trying to go through the whole deal, endocrinology and all these labs, tests, MRIs, and at the end of the I remember it, it was during COVID on a Zoom call. Granted, you gotta give doctors and medical providers, you know, some grace during that time. They're also getting their asses handed to them. But it was just like basically, I don't care. Like you're in the range. If you want to go on um testosterone replacement therapy, you can. It's like I won't prescribe it because you're in the range. Um so you have to find a provider that can or that is willing to. And it's just like you get done with all that testing and everything, and they're like, I'm not trying to just jump on HRT for the fuck of it. I'm trying to understand, learn my body, and why when I do so many healthy things, am I not functioning right? Turns out, start working with the right provider, mine and Cassie's own deep dive and research. Um we figured it out, and it was life-changing for me. Enormous. But that's that's where I had to become my own advocate. And then obviously, my wife's medical knowledge and her practice and everything, and me going down that journey with her evolved her as a you know, primary care provider in many ways, um during that journey. It's like it's heartbreaking when you hear of people going through various medical-oriented things and not getting the support or guidance that they should be getting on that journey. And to your point, you're saying that you know, and I I witnessed this in Cassie's in her last practice. I mean, most patients they deal with don't give a shit. They want the quick fix, pill most of the time, and that's it. They don't want to put in the work. And I think one part of me is blinded because like we deal with a population that in general, most of the people that come to this gym, I believe, are willing to put in the work. And so when somebody in this gym gets injured or is going through, you know, potential endocrine things going on with their body, metabolic, you know, syndrome kind of stuff, and they're not getting the support from their primary care or orthopedic doctor or physical therapist to help take them on that journey towards excellence versus just, you know, well, deal with it, essentially. Like give these things up. No, I'd I'd same doctor endocrinologists, he's like, Well, welcome to midlife. This is so I'm just gonna accept that going on 40 years old now, I'm just supposed to start feeling like shit and dive bombing downhill. Yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, this is just this is your body, this is biology. Accept it. I'm like, no, fuck off. Like, I'm not willing to accept it. My kids are young, I feel like I got a lot of great life left in me. I want to feel good. And if this is an area that with medical guidance I can improve, then I want to I want to do that. And um, like I said, for me, that part of my my health journey has uh very much being my own advocate and taking that on myself, and it wouldn't have happened without Cassie, obviously, helping guide that, but we learned a ton together in that process, and then she's gone way further than me on learning it. Obviously, it's her profession. Um but yeah, that's that's the medical system wrapped up in a nice, comfy, blinky. And

Sick Care Incentives And Private Equity

SPEAKER_00

part of me is obviously super grateful for it. We got a lot of family members who are in medicine. And part of me is just like the whole system needs to burn to the ground.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I mean. Cassie and I are obviously doing our part for that. You had to break out of it. You had to break out of the broken system, to start practicing medicine the way it should be practiced, to care for patients and to be able to put the time, energy, and effort into those patients who actually want to make a change. You had to break out of the system because the system isn't set up for prevention. It isn't set up for proactive health care. And yeah, you have a $4 trillion a year industry that's built around sick care. And that's not gonna be an easy thing to disrupt unless more and more people start taking full personal responsibility for their health is gonna be the main way of disrupting it. And um, yeah, on the flip side, also very grateful for all the medical providers that saved Claire's life. I mean her colon ruptured. I mean the specialist from surgery, and I'll tell you, her surgeon is one of the best bedside banner. The she is the best, and that was like such a shining light for us during that time. Like, so there are great, great, great people out there doing God's work with their skills, with their knowledge, and truly, in that case, saving lives and changing lives. But and I think it's mostly in the more in the primary care space. Orthopedists, it's an interesting. I think a lot of them care. They want to get you back to functioning, but they don't, it's a very surgery-driven world. And you start hearing about the orthopedic clinics being bought up by private equity when medicine turns into private equity and major for-profit. Don't get me wrong, I think they should get paid. I think they should get paid. I think medical professionals should get paid and paid well. But when you have, you know, these private equity firms buying up medical practice, it's gonna change the dynamic of how medicine is practiced. They're going for one goal and one goal only. It's not driven by patient forward care first, it's driven by bottom line profit first. And you can see this in you know, primary care and orthopedics. Um that there's a group in town, I believe, that's bought up by private equity. And it's I've heard rumors of it dramatically changing the entire culture of the practice. So you can't be expected to see 30, 40, 50 patients a day and be able to give those people the time of day. And that's where Cassie was getting burnt out in her in her last job, is you get the one, two, maybe five people who care, but you don't have time to spend with them. And yeah, so the whole system is broken, needs to burn down, it needs to burn down, be rebuilt, and uh it comes down to us as the consumer of it to start being very proactive in our health and taking personal responsibility for our health and breaking out of the system um disrupting it. But that's a big ask that I don't know if society's ready to take on yet. I think it's shifting, but I don't know if it's like ready for the blunt force that it needs to happen. We'll see. And I can tell you right now, no, I'm not for dyes and additives. And yes, there are quite a few things RFK is doing that I do support, but some of the stuff isn't gonna like truly move the needle on the metabolic dysfunction of this country. And um I would like to see more out of that front, but I can't even imagine what the dude's up against. I mean, you got big food, you got big pharma, you got every bought off politician shit bag in DC. You have all that. And if he's genuinely authentic about wanting to improve the health of our country, the uphill battle that what he's up against, um, I don't even know. I don't know. So it's hard to judge one way or the other. But hopefully, hopefully, some disruption can come out of that in the next couple years and some positive things can be moved forward to where we can start, you know, putting a dent into healthcare costs in this country, into you know, medical insurance costs are absolutely ridiculous now. Like, absolutely absurd how much it costs uh for a family afford to have medical insurance. Like we have no choice but to have it because of Claire's stuff. But it's it's disheartening and it sucks. And as much as I'd like to see circling this back around to these doctors on Instagram, I'm all for you guys. I'm all for them promoting long-term health and doing things, but y'all gotta figure out how to inspire patients to actually give a shit about themselves. And regurgitating each other's shit all the time isn't gonna be the way that happens. And honestly, it's it sucks criticizing something when you don't have a defined solution or some kind of idea on how to make it better, right? Yeah, I'm constantly beating my brain. Like, how do you inspire people to put in the hard work, the self-discipline, to take care of their own lives and their own health, and to be a leader for all those around them? It's a big ask, and if you can figure out that ask, um, you can start solving this problem. But it comes down to time management, then you have financial resources, are the two probably biggest levers, and then human nature, another massive lever. Human nature is always gonna go down the path of least resistance, and our country has created an environment that is extremely soft and very buy now, pay later mindset with everything. So to put in the hard work, the self-discipline, the delayed gratification, fitness, and health is like a primary representation of how you should approach almost everything in your life. It's daily efforts, it's doing the boring shit over and over and over and letting it compound over time. And it's just not sexy. It's not. It sucks sometimes, it's boring, it's monotonous. But the human body is genuinely meant to move, and we've placed it in an environment that it has it can move less and less and less, and we wonder why we're constantly bombarded with sickness. Um, any of you guys have a solution. But the only thing I can think of is just trying to show you guys that it is possible. It is possible to take control of your health, it is possible to put in an hour or so per day of physical activity that moves the needle on every aspect of your life. Constantly consuming stuff and education, knowledge is good, but at the end of the day, you all you just have to put in action and I'm gonna say unsatisfactory daily bouts of effort that feel meaningless in the short term, but are compounded massively over a lifespan. And I think it's a hard thing for a lot of people to wrap their head around. That's it.

SPEAKER_01

Word.

Absolutes And Polarizing Fitness Claims

SPEAKER_01

Yep. My last thing, just watch out for shit fluencers, people that put PhD and MD, like all the abbreviations in their thing and talk. If they speak with absolutes and they have a sense of arrogance to them, just avoid, just just take what they're saying with a grain of salt. Yeah, you bring up a great point.

SPEAKER_00

The more, the more older I get, the older I get, the more I spend time with human beings, coaching, training, engaging in converse, all conversations, health with people, you start learning. You do learn more. Don't get me wrong, but you start learning that you don't know a lot either. And the more you speak in absolutes, especially when it comes to something with another human being, it just shows how uneducated you probably are. Because I've witnessed it, you know, there's no absolute diet, there's no absolute training protocol, there's no absolute recovery protocol for ex injury. Like there's no absolutes, and there are rules, there are guidelines, there's framework, but you nailed on the head there. When somebody's speaking in absolutes, like their way is the only way, fuck off.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like, because the more I learn, the more I learn that I don't know, the more I learn there's room for continued learning. And to speak in an absolute when it comes to all things biology, health, fitness, human nature. Yeah, it just shows how dumb you are. I listen to this lady. She's not a doctor. I don't think so. I know she's not a medical doctor, she might have PhD in something. But she she wears the red light, blue light, blocking glasses. That's already a fucking red flag for me. But she's giving a lecture talking about how running is super unnatural for the human body, that we should only be walking or sprinting. That running is the worst thing you can do for your body. And I'm just like, how can you say that? Like, how can you say that? She's like, and then she went on, she's very like 21 seconds. She gets views, yeah, carnivorous in her content, from what I could gather. She's like, you know, back in hunter-gatherer times, you were either at walk or at rest, or you're sprinting to kill your food. So anything in between there is basically useless and counterproductive to the human body. It's a take, for sure. I'm just it's a take. But I was like, this is the shit that sucks. That somebody is saying this and getting engagement and getting people or like, you know, the person that doesn't like to run just found their excuse never to run again. And I'm not saying running is the only way. Running happens to be one of the highest injury recreational sports there is. One, because the volume of people that do it records more overuse injuries than any other deal. But I firmly believe it's good for you. Done mechanically correct. It's very good for you.

SPEAKER_01

I just I'm convinced that a lot of these people don't even believe a lot of the shit they say. It's just what can they have some authority in that sets themselves apart from the sea of regurgitated information?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I think they're doing it for the benefit of their brand and not necessarily like they truly believe the shit that they're saying. I think some of them do, but I think they're just trying to set themselves apart. Like, how do you set yourself apart if everyone's saying the same shit? You gotta like say some pretty dumb shit to really stand out. Yeah. Like we want to stand out, you know, we just blanket say all doctors are horrible human beings and no one should ever see a doctor for anything ever. That's a hell of a take.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That really separates us. Okay. Obviously, don't believe that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But like, if we needed to separate ourselves from a million people in the space, you say some stupid shit to try and build your own brand, and then you you blind it behind this authority, and then you get the people that don't necessarily want to be quote unquote runners, and they hear the person say running's bad for you, they're like, Well, fuck, this is the person with all these acronyms and initials behind their name, fucking said, I shouldn't do this, therefore they're brilliant. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

And like you're saying like polarizing topics, things that are polarizing, this is politics, is all the cesspool of current society. It seems like the more common sense something is, the least it's talked about. But that common sense thing is the most effective and reasonable way to approach said issue or topic at hand. It's like the absence of common sense now is so void, especially when it comes to social media, news media. Like those two in particular, I happen to still engage with lots of human beings in real life that I do believe that there's quite a bit of common sense left out there. But when it's in these platforms, it's like you can't just have common sense.

SPEAKER_01

No, and I think this actually, I mean, I don't really have much more to add to this topic, but this can kind of segue right into our second topic of time management. Um,

Time Management Beats Motivation

SPEAKER_01

that there's the time management gurus as well. Oh, yeah, all over social media, and there's influence and you know, like some people have like uh three-hour routines in the morning before you actually do anything. I mean, I know the guy is a walking experiment for himself, but like uh Brian Johnson, yeah, dude who used to own Venmo, he's like running this whole essentially trying to play God, never die. Like that's his whole goal is figuring out how to like de-age so much that he never dies. It's gonna be funny what actually happens. Sounds fucked up to say, but got him. Like, but the way he lives his life, and he might be a very nice person. I'm not trying to say be a complete dick, but like the way he lives his life, I would rather die so much sooner than the way he lives. If you've watched this guy's routine, it is obnoxious. And I know he's a stupid and he's doing this on himself, but a lot of the shit he was promoting is that everyone should do this. I won't fucking live like that.

SPEAKER_00

Well, he turned it into a product, right? That he sells the blueprint or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And it's it's too much. And maybe you're really into that shit. Good for you, but like there's a certain point, like you said, we deal with human beings and normal interactions with people on a day-to-day basis. Like, the shit that some of these people say and do, it's like, why even have the life in the first place? Like, if you're if you have to be so fucking strict and obnoxious about so many things, it just like what is the point? Is what I'm saying. Like, if you're gonna live like that, if that's what you want to do, great, more power to you. But essentially to seek to speak again from this point of authority, like everyone should be doing this, is just I don't know, I think it's kind of stupid.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, no, he definitely is he's up there on the uh I don't want to say what's wrong with uh longevity health. But I think I mean I've heard the comments about me and my own approach to my health and nutrition. You know, that's it's too much. Like the way I live and my house lives our life, it's too much. And I will say, the way that my house that we do live our lives now for the last two and a half, going on three years. I mean, this November will be three years. Um, it's not for everybody. And arguably, it probably shouldn't be for everybody. Yeah, I think it can be. I think obviously you find benefits, and I've had to reconcile my own thoughts being a coach, like how much of my own shit do I put out there on people? And I I like to share what I do and why, but my motivator is so much bigger than myself that if I wasn't in that situation, I don't think I would be doing what I'm doing without that motivator of my daughter. Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, obviously, you're my brother, you know this, but um, so it's not the lifestyle that I I live is not reasonable for most people. And you know, I get folks that ask, you know, oh, how do I get abs? How do I get fit? How do I, you know, do well in the CrossFit open or whatever, right? They see my performance as a 41-year-old. And they want that. And I think that's where I want to make sure the line's drawn. Like if you want to achieve what I'm doing physically or appearance-wise or whatever, well, this is the lifestyle that's driving that. If you're not willing to do those things, then be okay with the performance, the appearance, and things you have with what you're willing to do. And I think helping people understand the continuing of that and the prioritization that takes place within that and what trade-offs you're willing to accept and not accept as part of your life's journey, I think, as a coach, is where we're supposed to have honest conversation about. You can be plenty healthy and not have six-pack abs. Like that's honest to God truth. Arguably, in some ways, it's unhealthy. You know, what people do to get there. Mine's been a slow, continuous burn of three years of perfect eating and training and like optimizing my health in every way possible. Um, but again, my motivator to be consistent with it. I'll say now at this point, even if Claire got a bill of health, like her Crohn's was gone. Right? Woke up, Crohn's is gone, everything's gone, and it's fine. I don't think I would go back.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you've just seen the benefits.

SPEAKER_00

The benefits of how well I feel overall, my mental health, my physical health, I don't think I'd go back. So, but that that was it's going on three years. And that's short in the frame of life, but it's long day by day, eating the same way, training, recovering. Like it's it can be very tedious and monotonous. And so we're getting into time management.

Meal Prep Shortcuts For Busy Families

SPEAKER_00

One of the things I want to talk about, this is a topic I brought up a little while ago, is just like tactics, tips, and tricks into managing your time that I've personally uh deployed, but also where I hear a lot in conversations like people don't have time to meal prep, people don't have time to work out, people don't have time to prioritize their sleep, people don't have time for whatever the fuck it is. It's just time is literally your single most valuable asset. You know, you go and you bust your ass at work, make some money, that all that money can disappear tomorrow. You can make it to get back again. That is able to be earned back, and then some. You lose a minute of life, you're not earning that minute of life back. Like, I don't care what Brian Johnson does, time's still going by. We are all battling it. This disease called aging, and it's just the older I get digging into my early 40s now, it's literally the single most valuable thing you have. And um, I plan to go out like Chuck Norse, thrive until mid-80s, doing awesome, and then just be done. And then just dead. Yep, just dead. Yep. But thriving nonetheless until then. Yep. That's how I think of my health journey and how I want to approach. I want to feel good, I want to look good, I want to do awesome things physically. I want to be able to high peaks and just fall off the cliff. Yep, and then live life, see my grandkids grow up, hopefully. And then when it's my time, it's my time. Go see Jesus, hang out, see what's up, see what's on the next chapter of you know, unwritten books of the Bible or something. But uh when it comes to time management, I hear it a Lot over the years talking with people when I sit down, do some one-on-ones with people, figuring out when to work out, figuring out food are two of the biggest time management struggles. And I always say we prioritize the things we care about. If it matters enough, we figure it out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I think people blanket it under the excuse of time management rather than say that they're not prioritizing what's actually important.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. And it's hard to wrap your head around the importance of meal prep when you're not getting the instant gratification from it. I eat this one healthy meal, this single healthy meal, you're not gonna notice much at all. I mean, unless you have some serious IBD issues and you are you're gluten intolerant, and you eat a meal with gluten in it, you're gonna know immediately. You eat a meal without gluten in it, you're gonna know that that that was okay. But in general, that one healthy meal, there's very little short-term reward that we notice. It's the compounded effects of eating that same healthy meal, that same healthy food, for three years, five years, ten years. And if we can wrap our head around that and prioritize it in that framework, then the time management to do that daily rep of discipline becomes easier and easier. So, food and house, me, my wife, two kids, who all eat a very particular way. One, we eat a lot of the same stuff. Same stuff that we know works, that we know is healthy, that we know the kids like, that we like. Being okay with that, I think is important. Like if you're a great chef and you can go out there and create awesome meals full of flavor and this and that, awesome. I have zero desire to put that kind of effort into my culinary skills. You literally see the apex of my culinary skills every day.

SPEAKER_01

But I mean, that's valuable time management too, right? I mean, if if like making a healthy meal, like you said, you're a chef or whatever, like you enjoy that, like it's not you're getting enjoyment out of utilizing that time to do something that's beneficial for you. Like you and I like don't, you know, I have no fucks left to give about that time. I'm super excited. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love to enjoy like a super, you know, high ticket meal that's good for you. But I'm not gonna get the enjoyment out of making that, as opposed to just like throwing a piece of meat in there, cooking that shit, throwing some other shit, and then just eat that shit. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01

But some people, if you get the enjoyment out of it, that's great, but we don't. So we we save time, specifically you, because I eat what you eat, um, by just keeping shit basic and consistent.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. So Jacob's referencing here is yes, when we built the gym, I put it in the kitchen. We spend a lot of time here at the gym. So we want a kitchen to be able to, you know, make food, like good food. Makes sense. It's the industry we're in. So I order a week's worth of food, and I change the meats a little bit, but there's some standards in there. It's basically some kind of quick scramble. I make it for me, my brother, and my wife damn near every day. It takes me less than 30 minutes to cook everything for all three of us and do the dishes, and we're done. 30 minutes, that's my time cap for all three of us. That's pretty efficient. Now, to get that efficient, I'm not going grocery shopping. Fuck all that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I hate grocery shopping.

SPEAKER_00

I despise it. It's a financial uh pitfall for me because oh, let's try this, let's look at this. This looks good, whatever. Like I get especially Costco going there for four items, I leave with two shopping carts full of shit.

SPEAKER_01

Membership because I hate going there.

SPEAKER_00

So um grocery delivery, people are like, well, it costs more. Does it? Does it? It how much is your time worth? For me, my time is worth roughly 75 to 100 bucks an hour, to put it in dollar terms. That's what I charge. Can I be doing something more productive for this time? And there's two aspects of that working on the business. Can I be doing something more productive for our members here, for the business, coaches, whatever needs to be done, then growing grocery shopping, or can I be doing something that doesn't have a dollar amount on it? Can it be more time with my family? Can it be doing taking you know the kids to their sports or spending time with my wife, whatever it is? Grocery shopping is not a family event for us. And I know some families they load up in the car on the weekends and go do the shopping. Three hours later, four hours later, I've already got a 10-mile run in. Me and Jackson have probably screwed off with some airsoft guns, jumped on the trampoline, hit the cold plunge in sauna, made breakfast, all in that same Saturday time domain. Right? So for me, I'm getting back quality time, and this is hack. You guys can tell me it's expensive, but I'm telling you it's cheaper. Having your food delivered, you order the same shit or just a couple variations. I was literally sitting on the couch last night and watching Walker Texas Ranger because right now, Chuck Norris, man, we've got to relive it. But um, I ordered our food and had it delivered this morning on my phone. Took me less than three minutes. Add from previous order, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Select my delivery window, pay like 99 bucks a year for unlimited deliveries from Whole Foods. For me, you, and Cassie to eat breakfast, you know, our morning meals here. It costs about $112, $120 a week for three people with high-quality foods that's delivered. I mean, some members are giving me a hard time because the Whole Foods guy walks right into the gym, sits on the counter. Like, yeah, I didn't have to drive down there. I didn't have to walk through the store. I was training my client instead, and then getting ready to coach class, and I got my workout in in the same amount of time that it would take me to go down there, grocery shop, get back to the gym, make breakfast. Yeah. So I don't know about you guys. I've done the math on it. It's cheaper, and I get my time back. Yeah. And it allows me to be very consistent in what we eat and plan for it.

SPEAKER_01

Only time I go grocery shopping anymore, it's like for one-offs. Yeah, you forget to eat something, or yeah, like maybe want to add something different or whatever. But we do like 80-90% of all of our shit gets delivered. I hate grocery shopping. Some people I've talked to in the gym actually enjoy it. They look at it as like this like cathartic like decompression time for them. Not for me. I'm in there, I'm irritated, taking too long. I don't know where shit is. 100%. I don't, yeah. Especially Costco is just straight anxiety from a data point view.

SPEAKER_00

From from the parking lot. Yeah. From the fucking parking lot where there's shopping carts everywhere. Yeah. And then you go in and they check your ID. God forbid you have ID to vote, but you get fucking laid up right there at the door if you forget your deal. Fuck kung fu. Which is fine. Totally good. Then you go in there through the aisles. Shit moves around all the damn time. Yeah. Can't find a damn thing. I used to go to Costco for like a handful of things. It's right down the street from our work. I would literally start a timer. Okay, I'm leaving the gym. I need to go to Costco for these five staples in our house. And get back home. Every single time was always over an hour. Always over an hour. You get online, add the cart, deliver to my house during this window. And I tip the drivers well because they're saving me time. I give them a good tip. They're making some money. It's a no-brainer for me. Not to mention, I'm not gonna tell or think in my head this person go fuck themselves for not putting their cart away. Like the anxiety of just that whole experience is gone.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I save a lot of money because Costco does know how to place shit. Like when it's summertime. Oh, this new camping thing. Well, that looks cool. We should buy that. Family guy said, ooh, a piece of candy. Ooh, piece of candy. So piece of candy. Yeah. So when it comes to time management hack, I'd say that's probably one of the biggest ones when it comes to moving the needle on your health and fitness. Is get okay eating the same things a lot of the times. Like I'd very much eat for purpose. Like, does this have protein, carbs, and fats in it? Did I train a lot today, or am I gonna train a lot today? Okay, I need more carbs. What are my main carb sources? Fruit, juice, um, potatoes, and bread. Like those are my staple carb sources. I have the fridge with our shit in it, and we're set for the week. Um, so eating with purpose and being able to eat the same things over and over is a superpower that I happen to possess. It doesn't bother me at all. And uh, the more you can wrap your head around that, you can gain back so much time and move the needle forward on your health in such a massive way. Next thing on time management that my family has um deployed is um don't run and buy it until I give you my code because I can actually get a little kickback on this deal. I don't know how much it is, but we do get something, we set it up. But uh we use Hungry Root for dinners, dinners only, and this brings the variety into our life. They're able to do everything specifically to Claire's diet. The meals show up on Sunday. You do have to prep, but not even my silly ass could get it done in under 20 minutes. But there hasn't been a meal that takes longer than 15-20 minutes to prepare, like it all comes as individually wrapped items, so it's very fresh for the most part. Once in a while you get something that's like, and then you just email them and they refund you right away. Um, that's only happened a few times. But this has explored the palette of our flavor profiles in the house, which has been nice. Like Cassie put together from Hungry Root last night when we got back from camping uh this chicken pasta dish. It was bomb. Bomb. It was done 15 minutes. People be like, well, it seems expensive, but you're getting your time back. You're literally buying your time back. And is it more expensive? In our house, when we look at the overall grocery budget since we did this, arguably it's gone down a little bit because we just buy the same stuff and we're not randomly shopping and buying shit that we know is gonna go bad. Our fridge fills up Sunday and is empty by Friday, Saturday. Like there's not food being thrown. I can't remember the last time I've seen food that we've thrown away that you've bought that you thought might be good and it wasn't great, and you toss it. Like there's been little to no waste doing this. We buy exactly what we need and get back tons of time, and then with Hungry Root, we're able to add some variety to our dinners, which you know, 50-50 on whether the kids are like pumped about it or not. But it's added fish into our um diet more consistently than just chicken and steak. Um, they have some wild game that we've gotten from them, um various potatoes, more vegetables and vegetable sauces, which has been a huge help for me because I despise vegetables, absolutely despise them. So, but this having different flavor profiles and cooked vegetables mixed in has been great. Cassie last week before we went camping, made something with broccoli. I don't really like broccoli at all. It's disgusting. But the way it was cooked and with the sauce, and it was all uh Clairbear-approved stuff is great. And um, this was a huge time management deal when it comes to uh food prep, getting some needles moving, getting that temperature gauge moving on your health that you can get back. And I think if you guys, you know, explore these options, it can be very powerful for your household.

Doom Scrolling And Dopamine Whiplash

SPEAKER_00

Next, fucking social media.

SPEAKER_01

That's what I was just about to bring up. I mean, the big pivotal ones, standouts like the the food one that you just mentioned, I think a lot of people don't think about it can have a huge impact, especially if you don't enjoy doing those things.

SPEAKER_00

Well, no, and the reason I brought up the food ones is you hear in kids' sports, I hear it amongst middle-aged parents with kids who are doing sports. And I get it. These these activities are late at night. The last thing you fucking want to do is get home and cook dinner. So what happens? You end up throwing in the quick chicken nuggets, or you're buying fast food on the way home.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

And when your kids are doing each, if you have two kids, three kids, or whatever, and you got multiple sporting activities at night during the week, all of a sudden you've got the Saturday and you've eaten out four or five nights a week on fast food garbage because the last thing you want to do when you get home at 6 45, 7 o'clock at night is drag everything out of the fucking fridge and make this meal for the family, right? You're smoked, and that's where Hungry Root saved our ass is it it freed up that time. I mean, it most of these meals take like 15 minutes. So that's why I brought up the time management on some tools there to make that more efficient for the busy people and families.

SPEAKER_01

I think if you do a time log over like two, three days just to kind of get a rough idea, it's kind of like tracking your food. Um, you know, people you might be like, yeah, I don't really eat that bad, and you truly might think that. But then if you actually like write out everything you do, you're like, fuck, I actually drinking two whiskeys every single night, um, eating a bag of Skittles every time I pass my counter. Like, well, not a bag, but a handful, like you know what I'm saying. Like, if you actually track everything, then you realize, like, oh, I'm actually not doing what I thought I was. Same thing with your time management. You might be thinking I don't have time to do shit. But then if you're at home, let's say it's your Netflix binge or your Doom scrolling on your phone of socials or whatever it is, email, like everyone's got something. It's not social media is a big one for most of us. But if you actually track how much time is being spent doing that thing and then you extrapolate that over a week and then months and so on, like how many years is it actually eating up? And is it value-based? Like, does it actually make sense to do that activity as often as you are? Is it benefiting your life? Is Doom scrolling through Instagram reels and seeing memes and shit, does it bring you that much value? And if it does, like if that's your weight that just resets you because you do that every single day. But I would I would argue that it's probably not. I'd say it's like there's times to have decompression time, but then there is there's scrolling and then there's the doom scrolling where you keep going and you keep going and you keep going and you keep going.

SPEAKER_00

And you're not really engaging with anything. I've caught that with myself. Yeah, it's like you're scrolling, like you say it started out like I was listening to whatever something I'm interested in, right? I do try to follow people that mostly I'm gonna learn something from. That's my intention. Yeah. But then you're scrolling through, and then 20, 30 minutes in, you're just flicking the fucking page. Like you're not even engaging in content anymore.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. When it's taking your dopamine receptors all over the place. So you could you could watch something that's like really funny, like I showed you a funny video earlier.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And then the very next thing could be like like news driven, very irritating. Yeah. And then the next thing could be super depressing, and then the next thing could be sad, then the next thing could be funny. Like, our brains aren't necess aren't designed to go up and down through all these emotions over seconds and minutes. Like you're you're meant to kind of like be in one emotion for a little while, take that in before you move on to the next one. You don't, you're not supposed to just jump up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down through all these things. And if you're doing it every single day, it's quite literally rewiring your brain, changing the neuroplasticity in your brain, um, which is a no-go. And these companies spend billions of dollars to get you to do that. So I what I think we talked about this on the last podcast, but like the average daily consumption for social media for Americans, like five hours. Yep. Which is pretty crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Can't remember. That's almost that's almost a full-time job at the end of the week. Is that social media or is that total screen time? I had to think that's just social media.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, whatever it is, it's doing bullshit. Yeah. Five hours that whether it's Netflix or Instagram, whatever, five hours is the average. Yeah, people I've followed some not influencers, but like um who actually have posted like their screen time as like influencers and not realizing how bad they are. And like some of them are on their phone like 13 hours a day.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Easily. Easily. Isn't that that's fucking crazy to think about if you think like just 15 years ago, not having social media, maybe a little more than that, I don't remember. Like, what did we do with those all of that extra time?

SPEAKER_00

I think people are genuinely happier.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

One, because you're not constantly looking at the snapshot of everybody's lives being perfect and comparing yourselves to this or getting fed shit information on that topic, or like you said, the thing that comes in that you laugh and have a good laugh, and then the next minute you're like fucking wanting to burn the house down because it's so negative. I genuinely think people were a lot happier. I think people are more productive. On the flip side, I also think social media has been a great tool. I've learned a lot about various topics and people able to share and the the wealth of information that can be shared that you can locate uh has been massive. Like YouTube, very powerful, very powerful when it comes to learning. Like there's some great content on there. I've taught myself so many different things. On YouTube. So like that's all awesome. Awesome. But the constant usage of it is just if you don't have time to work out and you're not keeping or meal prep, and you're not keeping tabs on the screen time issues, you need to check it. You need to have yourself a little honesty reflection, like I did with uh my daughter, and she called me out on it, and deploy some tools. Like I set my Instagram as an hour max per day. A lot of that is work-oriented, if you will. Um trying to learn, but it's funny when I'm I almost feel embarrassed when it hits. Like, oh damn, damn. I recently bought this device called the brick, wherein I get home, I scan it, and the only thing that works on my phone is phone calls and text messages. Nothing else will come through until I unbrick the phone. And if you leave the house, I had to buy a second one for the gym. Because if you leave the house, you can't unbrick it. Unless you have the device. So I had to put it one at the gym so I could unbrick it here if I forget when I leave the house. But when I did that, I immediately was embarrassed by how often I would just like reach for the phone. There was no alert, there was no message, there was no nothing. It was just pick up the phone. Pick up the phone. What the fuck am I doing? Am I going to this tool to do something with the tool? Or is it just mindless? And I kept finding myself it was very mindless and very addictive personality kind of oriented. And it was an eye-opener for me. So I would say everybody should audit that. If you're struggling with um, I don't have time, you should audit that shit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I mean, you look at the things you want to prioritize and get better at, and we all fall in this trap, and I do all the time. And you look at the bullshit you spend your time on because you are spending your time, this finite resource, you're spending it, whether you want to or not, it's being spent. You have an option to spend your money. You don't have an option to spend your time. It's gonna be spent whether you choose to or not.

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

And if you're not hitting the things that you prioritize. And you're spending it on dumb shit because like your social media, unless you're getting paid a lot of money to do it, like there's really let's be real. It's not the returns are not there. Cut out some social media to get in your workout. Cut out some social media, some Netflix time to play with your kids or whatever it is. Like you can cut out some bullshit in your life to add in the shit that's actually valuable to you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and that comes down, no judgment, but a personal audit on if you think you're struggling with I don't have time for this, where you're not you're having focus problems, like you're not getting the work done during the a lot, and this is where I caught myself, right? I need to get the work done here at the gym, whether it be replying to emails, pay bills, fix some broken shit, whatever it is. Cause I'll be, you know, a member will send me a meme or some shit, or you know, pull up Instagram, and you're just mindlessly scrolling 20, 30 minutes. So I'm not getting the work done that I need to get done during the time frame allotted for me to work. Now, sometimes Instagram is a part of my job, but putting these things in its bucket so that the work that needs to get done, and this comes down to another tip of actually planning your day and your time and your use of time.

Calendars And Planning The Big Rocks

SPEAKER_00

So I've talked to people about, you know, every Sunday, pull up your calendar and plan your week. Rough draft. Okay, I got this big project, I need to do this. Like, what are the household topics? Like Cassie and have a shared calendar. You guys got a whole device, shows all your shit. Um, what's going on in the kids' life, personal lives? It's kind of cool now. My brother, my wife, we actually work together, so we it's it's much easier to coordinate times and this and that, but look at your week. Plan your week. Are there any big rocks on that week coming up that can throw throw a wrench into some things? And then within that week, think about your day. Like, what is something you need to accomplish that day? You should have these goals. What do I need to accomplish for this day to go towards these goals? Whether it be work, fitness, health, family, whatever it is, but isolate your goals, what you're looking to get out of your day and your time, and then write down a couple items that you want to accomplish, three to five. It doesn't need to be huge. And then do those things in the allotted time that you need to get them done, so that what I was finding out, if I got sidetracked at the gym, then when I get home, I'm catching up on computer work, typically, that I put off that I could have got done at the gym. And that was starting to annoy me.

SPEAKER_02

Say, fuck.

SPEAKER_00

Getting home, and now I gotta fire up the computer at home and start doing work here. And I'm not a late night work person, I'm an early morning work person. That's just how my brain functions. So when I'm at home, I'm not even doing my best work that I could be doing on the computer. And I know I'm tonight, activities, this and that with the kids or whatever. But being very intentional and getting the things done during the time frame you said you were gonna get them done so that it's not putting off something else. And then what happens is the non-negotiables all of a sudden become negotiables. Uh, I'm gonna skip the workout today because you know I need to get this done. Well, chances are you had the time to get it done. You just didn't do it during that time. Something else pulled your attention away. And I found random shit pulling my attention away. Um, meal prep, food prep. Oh, I don't have the time. I'm just gonna grab something quick, and then all of a sudden you've eaten fast food or some shit food three to four times that week. And it adds up quick like that. So set your calendar. I think you're aware of this. My wife's aware of this. I live and die by my calendar. Like, yeah, that's something I struggle with for a long time. I'm getting better at it though. Like my workout time, food prep time, work time, I'm pretty fucking it's could be considered an issue, but I'm pretty structured in how my day flows for the most part. And um, when I see myself getting yanked in other directions, not sticking to that time management. I get to the end of the week and you look back at what you accomplished or what you didn't accomplish, and you're like, damn, really kind of shit the bet on all that. Then I get frustrated with myself.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I mean you're gonna have a lapse of discipline. Like it's gonna happen. It's it's part of the human experience. I think if you're able to audit it honestly and reassess, like it's okay that you don't, you're not battening a thousand, you know, you're gonna fuck up, like you're gonna have a fast food meal, like these things are gonna happen. It's just when it starts to become the norm, is when you know, you're losing out on valuable time, you're gaining the weight, you're not performing the way that you want, like, is when the needle is pushed more towards complacency and being lax in your intentions rather than actually focused work and things that are actually beneficial for you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

Personal Responsibility And 75 Hard

SPEAKER_00

I mean, you have to just sit down, look in the mirror, look at yourself, and are you happy with where you're at and what you're accomplishing and what you're doing? Yeah. In all aspects of your life. Are you happy with your family life? Are you happy with your physical health? Are you happy with your work performance and where you're going on your career path? Those are like the three main rocks of most people's lives. And if you aren't, you need to have an honesty session of what and why. And it's a hundred percent your fault and it's a hundred percent in your control. That strikes a nerve. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. Like you are 100% in control of your outcomes, regardless of what shitty hands you've been dealt. Your reaction and response to those shitty hands is still within your control.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you're completely in control of how you respond to what is placed before you. Yeah. You may not be in control of what how that came to be, but you are 100% in control of how you respond to that thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, Claire's ordeal is a big one for our family as an example. Like we don't know why or how she ended up with Crohn's and ended up in the hospital and stuff, but our response was this is the way we're gonna go forward. Like we're in control of that. In control of that response. So take personal responsibility, have yourselves a little honesty session. I'm not huge, I've deviated quite a bit from the David Goggins kind of mindset. I think there's still value in it. I don't think it's a long-term solution for most people. Um, that like go hard all the time, nonstop. I think there's a breaking point for most of us.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be literally the antithesis of longevity. You can't sustain that forever. And it's a brand. Yeah. I mean, that he's an extreme motherfucker and has some does some cool shit like that is very much wired in his DNA. But even, I mean, off camera, he's I would argue he's not like he is Goggins mode 100% of the time, every single day. Much more than a lot of people in the world, absolutely, but no one can thrive at a 100% effort in anything in any capacity 100% of the time.

SPEAKER_00

No, and I think most people have never experienced 100% effort. No, right? Max maximal effort for any of sustaining, you can't even get a lot of people to commit to eight weeks of following a diet. So, but doing something like a 75 hard challenge, I will say one of the most powerful deals in that is the exposure of how fucked up your time management is. Because you look at the tasks that you need to do, get them done no matter what. There's non-negotiables, they have to get done, or you start back over day one. Then it becomes a personal thing to where it's like you start negotiating with yourself, then you start hearing about versions of 75 soft. I know. Like I'm gonna say it irritates me. Yeah, like, well, I'm doing 75 hard kind of, but only Monday through Friday. Yeah. Or I'm, you know, I'm doing only one workout, but this like just shut the fuck, just shut the fuck up. Yep. Like I'm proud of you for taking a step, but the goal is to get uncomfortable. Yeah. And the goal is to expose.

SPEAKER_01

You're still hanging on to those passive, complacent things that are keeping you where you are. You're not wanting to let it go. And sometimes you have to jump into the deep end if you actually want to experience change.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, 100%. And although I don't think I will ever do necessarily see a reason to ever do it again. I don't know. But I will say one of the most powerful things that came out of that was it completely exposed your time management. Like all of a sudden, able to get workouts in, able to eat healthy, read, get your work done. Like everything became so much more focused and intentional. My day-to-day living, that it was just cleaned up any time management issue I had. Clean it up. So there's benefits to doing that, but you have to be willing to expose yourself to it and be honest about it. So, yeah, because um figuring out your time, I do believe is one of the most crucial things you can do to move the needle on your health, and then prioritizing what actually matters in that. And until you can actually wrap your head around the compounding effects of exercise, nutrition, sleep, de-escalating the stressors in your life. You know, stress is one of the biggest killers. Now, there is good stress, but unfortunately, most of us are exposed to bad stress, and a lot of that comes down to what we consume like through social media news and this and that. Huge drivers of stress. Um, you need to you need to sort those things out. You need

Time As A Daily Subscription

SPEAKER_00

to do it.

SPEAKER_01

I'm big on analogies, and then I really got a whole lot left to add when we kind of wrap up this podcast. I think of time as like a daily subscription. You know, we're all a lot of us are all guilty of probably being subscribed to things that we've forgotten about, whether it's $5 charge, $10 charge, $20 charge, whatever I know I am. Yep. Of these subscriptions, and we don't use them and we look, oh, I'm wasting money when we notice and we cancel subscription. Well, your time subscription is a daily one, and it's gonna be spent no matter what, and you can't cancel it. So you better utilize that subscription, or you're just gonna throw it all away.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And I think mic drop, baby, boom, it is mic drop. And I think a lot of people, when they hit their you know, 40s and have this quote unquote midlife crisis or whatever, where your health's like you finally got the wake-up call from primary care visit, health's gone to shit. You know, it's a stressful time family-wise, stressful time work-wise. Um it comes down to just that. It was the small amounts of sac of um what you just said, shitting away your time, not being intentional. And then once you hit 40s, all of a sudden that compounded negatively. And you're like, fuck. Yeah, now what I do. So yeah, like you just said, take your subscription and uh be honest with yourself about it. Probably one of the most powerful things you can do to move the needle on your health and all other aspects of your life.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. All right, guys.

Wrap Up And Send Questions

SPEAKER_01

Well, a little off the cuff today, um, a little shorter of an episode. You're welcome. Um we're uh we're gonna wrap this one up. We got some some guests that are gonna be coming on to the podcast here in the next uh couple weeks. Um, excited for those. But uh we appreciate you guys tuning in. If you have any questions or if you have anything you want us to talk about, feel free to forward them our way. But with that said, we will see you in the next one. Bye, everybody. Love you.