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Unlocking the Mysteries of Tarot: Insightful Guidance and Spiritual Balance with Maggie

• Stephanie Graham • Season 1 • Episode 12

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Unlock the mysteries of tarot with Maggie on this episode of Tranquil Topics. Journey through the rich tapestry of tarot's history, from its legendary origins in ancient Egypt to its evolution into a cherished French pastime. Maggie reveals her personal odyssey with tarot, ignited by a family tradition, guiding you through the structure of the tarot deck and its fascinating parallels to playing cards. Discover what to expect from a tarot reading and learn why choosing a compassionate and responsible reader is crucial for insightful guidance.

Maggie sheds light on the transformative power of tarot and astrology and discusses the role of intuition in interpreting cards to reveal personal traits and future events. As we explore these spiritual tools, we emphasize the importance of balancing mind, body, and spirit to foster soul development and navigate life's shifts with wisdom.

Finally, we delve into the life lessons revealed through tarot, reflecting on how both fortune and misfortune shape us as individuals. We explore the therapeutic aspect of tarot reading, contrasting it with psychic sessions, and highlight the comfort of trusting in a larger force while maintaining positive energy. Join us for an episode brimming with wisdom, warmth, and the enchanting world of tarot.

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Steph:

Hello, welcome back to Tranquil Topics. I'm your host, Steph, and this week Maggie is back. Maggie came on the podcast recently to discuss Feng Shui and now she returns to talk all about tarot. So welcome back to the podcast, Maggie.

Maggie:

Thank you very much, Steph.

Steph:

So for our listeners can you tell us, what is tarot?

Maggie:

So tarot cards are something that have been around for centuries and centuries. They think it originated from the Egyptian days, where they had some cards that depicted futures. It was mainly taken off and revolutionised in France hundreds of years ago as a parlor game, and then they derived the normal playing cards that we see nowadays from actually tarot cards. So when you see tarot cards or a deck of tarot cards of 78 cards and you've got 22 major arcana and 56 normal cards, is that right? There's 70 altogether. But what we have now is playing cards of the exact same sets.

Maggie:

You have the hearts, which represents cups, in Tarot. You have the clubs that represent wands in tarot. Um, the spades represent swords in tarot and the diamonds represent pentacles in tarot. So it's exactly the same suits. There's four elements, four suits in it, and they all start from aces and end in tens and they all have three, so in playing cards you've got three face cards. You've got the, the king and the queen, and the jack and tarot you've got the king, the queen, the knight and the page. So you've got an extra face card in tarot. That's the only difference between playing cards. Tarot cards and then tarot have major arcana cards, which playing cards obviously don't, and therefore the big events that happen in our lives.

Steph:

So how did you come to know of, and work with, tarot cards?

Maggie:

I've been doing it since I've been young and I'm quite old now, so I'm in my 50s now, so I've been doing it since, I think my mum bought me my first set of tarot cards when I was around about 15 or 16. Uh, it's just something we've always my grandma used to read the tea leaves, my mum, we were seeped in superstition, coming from the Scottish Highlands and Islands, uh, and it was just a natural cause of what you know. I was into everything esoteric and I had a boyfriend actually at the time who read tarot cards as well, and my mum bought me my first set of tarot cards and set of books of how to read them. So it was my mum's influence really.

Steph:

Right, because my love of tarot started from having a reading with you. But yours started with actually somebody buying you a pack, so you hadn't had your first reading. Is that right?

Maggie:

Yeah, no, I never had a reading before. My mum bought me, yeah, but I mean, I did have readings and I do remember going with friends to the same person, like every year, I think I went to up until I could read them myself properly. Um, but no, at the time I bought tarot cards, I'd never had a reading before. Maybe my boyfriend had read me cards, maybe he did actually, but professionally no.

Steph:

Interesting.

Steph:

So then you came to know of it because of, obviously, your boyfriend could read them, at the time, your mum bought you your own pack, did your love just grow from there?

Maggie:

Massively, yeah, massively. So the thing with tarot has always been almost always been in my life and I've used it on and off for like money. So I remember I immigrated to America, came back, I had no job, I'd sold my, I'd given up my flat, my car, everything, and I went to work in Glasgow. We had a place called the Psychic Centre, where everybody from astrologers to tarot to psychic mediums, to ribbon readers, your colour readers, aura readers we're all there working together. And that was the first time I think I've actually done it for money, properly for money, but there was so many different professionals in there and it really opened, it made me grow in a way that I wouldn't have learned from a book actually, yeah.

Steph:

So if somebody's listening and they haven't ever had a tarot reading before, what can they expect if they were to have one?

Maggie:

So people come for different reasons for tarot readings um, sometimes it's because they have a very specific situation that they need answers to, um, and sometimes they just want to come because their mate's coming and it sounds like a good laugh and a good fun, and I would always say that to people. You know, when you come for tarot readings, just be careful, because I know that some I have because I've worked with other tarot readers doing tarot in different situations, and they're given some bad news and that ruins somebody's day or week or then they're really worried. So when you have a good tarot reader, really you should. There's always some bad stuff coming up in people's life. As you know, it's come up, you know, with stuff. It should always come with a warning and this is how we try and avoid it. Yeah, it should always come with like a right just be careful with this person, because you know and then you're aware of it instead of, like I've heard, some tarot readers give really doom and gloom.

Maggie:

That's not a good tarot reader to do that really bad news. But I mean, obviously there's some stuff that happens and they're like people die, people, you know, you lose partners, you move on, you lose your house or whatever. So it's important of how that message is delivered, but generally it's just a general reading, isn't it about where your life's at? Where am I going next? It's usually around love, work, home, money, family. That's the reason why most people come for tarot, but some people have very specific questions, very specific yeah.

Steph:

So is there a time limit on how often you could go back? So say if I'd seen you today for a tarot reading, because I know sometimes with mediums I've heard that you should give it like six months because, the spirits, you know they can only give you a message and, like you have to allow time. I know tarot is separate from mediumship

Maggie:

Yes, it is different.

Steph:

But is there an amount of time you should give, because I know some people can get fixated on a point. Like you say, be careful, don't hold on to doom and gloom, and that.

Maggie:

I always tell customers come back when everything's come about, when, when, whatever we've read and it's come about and it's come to pass, that's my famous saying. When it's come to pass, then come for the next stage. And I think that's as simple as it, because some of these things you know, maybe I could be reading and say, oh, there's house move coming up, but that house move doesn't happen for a year and usually we can gauge how long you'll be waiting for that. There's no point in coming in six months because you've not had a reading for six months, unless you've got another question to ask. That's totally separate to the house move per se. But if that house move hasn't gone, what is the point of coming back? That is a tarot. That's the answer. You come back after that's come to pass.

Steph:

Yeah, I suppose you'd be paying for the same.

Maggie:

Well, this is it, and that has happened quite a few times when I am and it is a real you know as a business continuously, I was getting people that were wanted a different answer to the same question, and it never works. So people were like, oh, I was hoping. You know, I came to you like three months ago, such and such and such and such hasn't happened yet, but I was hoping, if I had a reading, something else will come out or something I'll have a different outcome this time. Generally, that really does not happen unless you've changed something fundamentally. So, for example, they might. Yeah, you said, Maggie, that I'll move jobs in six months for, for example, uh, but I've actually left my job yesterday within, you know, before the six month. Can you now give me a reading? Yeah, sure, that's, that's a different circumstance, because you've changed your own fate there. Tarot will read what's fated. We all have free will, though. So if we did, if I say you know, you've got house move coming up in six months and you decide to leave immediately for whatever reason, because you've had a fight with your husband or whatever that's your you've made that choice, haven't you?

Steph:

Yeah, so it's highlighting the choices that you have.

Maggie:

So tarot gives you your potential path ahead of you. What you do with that information and what changes you want to make, independent of your reading, obviously is is you know, it's entirely up to you. We, we all have the freedom of choice. I don't think fate is ever like set in stone. Well, if you didn't leave that man now, then you will be leaving him in six months because you're fated to leave him. I don't believe that that's the case, because obviously I am a therapist as well, so I do know that there's an opportunity to make things better. So maybe, perhaps nowadays, what I'm reading, given the, given the fact that I am who I am now, as additionally, um, I would have thought, yeah, that's fated, it's in your cards, whereas now I'm probably more likely to go look, this is a potential what could happen here if you don't resolve it by other means? Does that make sense?

Steph:

Yeah.

Maggie:

So I'm always trying to like go look, this is a possibility, this is in your path, this is a likelihood, but this is how you can change it.

Maggie:

So when I'm reading tarot with people, I don't just like read the tarot, that's it, off you go now, y eah, grandma's gonna die, s ee, you have a nice day. I think it's awful. Well, I think it's awful and I have heard lots of tarot readers doing that. So what I do if there is some bad news coming up because there always is, life is not a bowl of cherries I will spend a bit more time with the person talking about how maybe they can avoid it or prepare for it or, you know, change their fate if you like. Like, does that make sense?

Steph:

Yeah, so if I tell the listeners how I first found you and then I'll go back to my thought right now.

Maggie:

Okay.

Steph:

So I'd heard of tarot, I'd never had a reading, knew it was to do with cards with pictures on, didn't know anything more, and I found you. I purposely went looking for tarot because I hadn't experienced it. I'd always been interested in like spiritual stuff and I thought, yeah, I'll give this a go. And I found you online and I booked in and I went round to your house for the reading and I think I was shaking. I seem to remember being sat down in front of you.

Maggie:

Lots of people are like that when they come.

Steph:

Yeah, and like you were lovely, you were so welcoming and I was like why am I so scared? And I think it's because I was scared of what was going to come up, of what you were going to say. I was like, is she gonna really call me out of what I think is gonna be coming up, you know, and I loved it and I left like wow, and I think I did a rebook back in with you I'm sure it was about a month later, right, with different questions, and I was like, hi, I'm back again.

Maggie:

So this is it, isn't it? You came with not knowing what was going to happen. Then you had the reading and realised actually I'm just not talking at you although I do talk a lot and I do because when I'm in that flow I can't honestly say I'm connecting with you know, um, the, the spirit of Mary. You know I'm, but I am picking up on different energies around me. I'm not a clairvoyant. I do not see people, family members come through. Oh, Steph's sitting in front of me. If you get any messages for her, I don't do that. That doesn't, that's not part of what I do, but obviously it's a spiritual practice.

Maggie:

Tarot it's not just a card reading. It is a card reading but it's also I prepare myself before people come. So I am asking for the universal help to guide me and guide this person in the right way that they need. But people don't know always what to expect when they come and they think it's quite a spooky, scary kind of thing. And then when they come away and I say to people what do you want to know? What's important to you right now, what do you want to ask? And people sometimes go I don't know, I've got no questions, because they didn't actually know that that was their option. Because quite a lot of people experience even like how have been for readings before. They've just been like, yeah, this is going to happen, that's going to happen. Goodbye, see you later. That's not how I work. That's not how I work with people in general.

Steph:

But what I loved as well was you said to me at the start there's going to be some cards. If they show up, they're not particularly nice looking cards, but don't worry about it, I'll explain everything as we go, and we started with a generic reading. So you described that to me as if you open a newspaper and there's loads of different things on the page and you'll explain it, and I was to sit there and listen and see if I recognise it, yeah, and then we talk about it after you've explained it. Yeah, and like there'd be stuff that I didn't recognize that we could do a separate spread on that to look at. What is that that's showing up, right? I just find the whole thing fascinating. I can't get enough of it.

Maggie:

But interestingly though, because obviously it's about your future, quite a lot of people hold on to what is relevant for them today. That's what they remember, isn't it? And I've, quite a few times I've asked you, or you've asked, or we've agreed that you would record it. Yeah, you record it now, because quite a lot of people think, oh, I'm in a really bad place in my love life, for example, and that's all they hold on. They've forgotten that I've told them oh, by the way, you're going to move jobs and be careful of this witch at work, or they've forgotten that stuff because that wasn't relevant. So sometimes it is good to come back because you've got more questions and it doesn't matter if those other things have come to pass or not because you've got a next set of things, because we've got very colourful lives, haven't we, with lots and lots of things going on, and sometimes we go, I should ask more about this, and that's when people start coming back. But interestingly, because it's reading future, how much of it did you see coming to fruition?

Steph:

Well, the very first reading. It was a lot to take because there was also so much information in there as well.

Maggie:

Ah, yes, yeah.

Steph:

As I've gone on, because I first came to you when I was 18.

Maggie:

Wow.

Steph:

So yeah, I don't know if you realised that.

Maggie:

No, I didn't yeah.

Steph:

So you really followed my life. I look back to you, yeah, because I usually see like once a year now.

Maggie:

Yeah, I'm reading and I wouldn't read for anybody under the age of 18 either, because, well so I work with young people, mental health with young people, additionally to adults. And you know, sometimes we don't always when we hear some bad stuff or we do it stuff sometimes we don't always process the thinking process, isn't always mature enough to handle it. So I just think 18 is a good age to start, you know, processing things a bit more logically yeah.

Steph:

W ell, when what I mentioned before about the thing I'd go back to, when I first saw you, I was a completely different person to who I am now.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Steph:

But along the way I'd had new jobs and relationships and you were able to point things out to me with tarot that I was like, oh okay, that's interesting, that stuck in my mind so I can think of one. So like my partner Alan now, we knew he was coming for quite a while before he actually showed up in my life and you were able to describe him as a person. So I would, I'd basically recognise when this person came into my life. But then you were like but before you get to this person, you've got all this other stuff that's coming for you and you need to work through it. And it's you have to go through the bad to get to the good basically, and I remember in that reading you said to me there's one person you're going to meet on public transport and I was like that's very specific. And yeah, it happened. I was on a train. We was on I was going to a football match with my friend Laura and I did meet somebody on a train and it was just that moment where I'm like I was told this was going to happen and I didn't have any control over that. And there's been stuff like with my job and like you knew it was coming to an end before I did, and I'm like, no, I'm happy here and you're like, well, there's an ending.

Maggie:

Tough luck. Get used to it.

Steph:

Yeah, and obviously I've been, I think did I see you earlier this year for my most recent reading?

Maggie:

Yeah, you did.

Steph:

And at the time, obviously I'm at uni now, now gone into my final year, and I still don't know what was going to happen and stuff has come up for that and kind of I pay attention, I try not to focus on one particular aspect because I want to give each, each bit of information, like equal balance really, because I also I know as a personality that I can get fixated on one thing, so I try very much not to. But yeah, it's just I can't get enough of it, it's just so interesting.

Maggie:

And you know, with tarot as well, I never just do tarot. I'm talking about astrology, I'm talking about different energies, I'm talking about Feng Shui fix, I'm talking about mindset fixes and not to you know, because obviously I feel that my life has been a whole process of learning about different elements that have been really important and played really important roles into, you know, helping people be better or get better, or pre-warn them about stuff, or, you know, advise them. So I see, like everything is a trinity I've probably said this in my Feng Shui one, but you know it's about mind, body and spirit really, and your spirituality is about is you know, you've got to keep your mind healthy, you've got to keep your body healthy, but the spirituality is a huge part on on, on the soul development. But there was something I wanted to add then when we were talking, when you were talking about meeting Alan, and one of the reasons I knew what kind of person he was going to be is because tarot is four different elements, as I said. So, like normal cards, you've got cups, you've got wands, you've got swords and you've got pentacles, and each of those four different suits are related to the four different elements in astrology. So I bring astrology a lot into it.

Maggie:

I would not say that I am an expert in it. I couldn't do an astrology chart, although we do do birth charts sometimes. But, um, the air signs which are swords are Libra, Gemini and Aquarius. So I would know of that personality type because of how I'm, you know, and what other cards are beside that. Like, we are Taureans, so we are Pentacles, along with Capricorns, Taurus and Virgos. Then the cups are the water signs, which Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces, and then, of course, the last ones are wands, which are your fire, and they are Sagittarius and Leo and Aries. So I know when certain elements come up the King of wands or the King of swords, for example with Alan I will know that characteristic and then that's when your kind of intuition kicks in so I can see it could be. Those three star signs are very different from each other, those air signs. But then I can, I get a feeling oh, this isn't one of them, you know, or this one, you know, this is kind of where I'm picking up. He might be this element or this star sign.

Maggie:

It's not always a hundred percent accurate because sometimes, like, for example, you are the Queen of cups and it depends what age you are as well, whether you're a Knight or a Queen or a King. If you're male, and sometimes I get some females come up as Kings because they're really like they're the masculine element in their home, they are the one you know, especially if you get a woman who's doing everything in the house and running the kids and running a business and so and sometimes I get people come and they're maybe like an aIr sign, it's a sword, but they're coming out as cups and they're like, in fact, there was a tarot reading yesterday and I was like, oh my, you're coming across as a water sign, and waters are are always more emotional, they're usually more psychic. I said, gosh, you really, really this is emotionally heavy energy for you. You're not being your normal practical pentacle self. And she's like, oh God, I'm really not managing this well. So again, it's like how many years? I'm, 50, 51. So you know, it's been 35 years practicing, learning from other people, getting it wrong loads of times.

Maggie:

You know when I was young, you know in my early days, and sometimes I still go god, yeah, I've learned that now that I know why that's come up again. You know, because, like, sometimes I was like I won't go into our readings, but you know, there was maybe something coming up and I'm like I don't know what it is. I can just see there's something coming up, but I don't know what it is. And then when that thing came to pass and you're like, oh, was it this? Do you think it was this? Because it seems like I think yeah, that could have been. But so sometimes you know it's hard for me to that you'll meet him on a train is very specific. Sometimes it's not always specific. Sometimes it's just a feeling or a set of cards where I'm like, oh right, I don't know how this is going to progress or how that's going to manifest, but this is what the end result is going to be. Does that make sense?

Steph:

Yeah, because in the readings I've had with you, when it came to trying to what's the word, trying to just get through life and you meet all these different people, and there was, like we've said before, those people that you said you know you need to watch this person. I don't think they have your best intentions at heart. I just wanted to say, when you mentioned before that some of the spreads can be darker, I remember once I split up with somebody prior to meeting Alan and I wasn't happy in it anyway, and I came back to see you for reading afterwards and my spread was amazing it was all the happy cards. It was all like this is brand new. You're not even, you're not really affected by this. Yeah, at all. So is it that a lot of it is you have to go through and experience things for like a life lesson, and then, yes, you do have a choice, but obviously I chose wrong in that case.

Maggie:

I don't ever think, I just think there's a different path, isn't there, and I think everything builds us and develops us. If we went through life smelling roses, you know, we would just be a blank page, we would not be as interesting for a start and we just wouldn't you know, we have to experience different elements and different people and different situations to grow um and to make us into the developed adults that we become, and that's a lifelong thing. So, yeah, I mean your question was you know, did I have to go through that experience with that, I know who you're talking about. I can remember which one, because he wasn't very nice was he um and uh and this is the other thing, I develop a relationship with my customers. So I know what star sign your mom is and what your dog's, what you know, and I remember all these things about people. I don't know names. Don't ask me what your mom's name is. I know her star sign, I know everything about her, and that's really bad because it looks rude, but I do remember. Those are the important things to me. That's how I remember people.

Maggie:

But, yeah, I do think we do have to go through different experiences in life and like the one of the my favorite cards is the wheel of fortune. And the wheel of fortune is like fate good luck, bad luck and it reminds us. It comes up and I remind my clients when it comes up, like when you're on a roll and everything's going really well, don't forget that continues. That cycle continues to turn and turn. It might not turn for five years. Don't forget when you're in down point, when it's in a bad luck stage, it can only ever go up. So life is never just a continuous.

Maggie:

And you know what? Because I'm a therapist, the the amount of people that I have met. That life has been too like. I've gone from A to B to C, the expectations I've done, and now I'm in this life 2.5 kids and a dog and yearly holidays to wherever. Um, it's me. I don't know who I am, I'm just lost. I'm someone's dad, someone's husband or someone's wife, or I'm just kind of I'm not even sure who I am. I haven't chosen anything. All these things have just happened to me, type thing so I think it's really important to go through different experiences in life.

Steph:

And as when you were saying then that you build a relationship with your clients, is it really interesting for you, when they come back to you for a separate reading, to find out if like what happened?

Maggie:

Oh, yeah, oh God, it's like Coronation Street. I'm like right, what's the next installment? I love it because I'm invested in people. Whether I'm doing tarot, whether I'm doing Feng Shui, whether I'm doing therapy, I'm invested in those people doing it, because everything I do is like always think it's for the higher, better for other people, and that gets me a buzz. I'm not sitting there giving it on very self-sacrificing, giving person. I enjoy it. I get a lot back when people go it really worked out and thanks for the warning or thanks for letting me know but that that really turned out, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And I kind of go yeah, I've made it, even if it's just one small step, and that person's like great, that's fab yeah.

Steph:

So you mentioned before about the tarot card deck and you mentioned that there were major arcana cards and minor arcana cards and the different suits. Can you just touch on what's the difference between the major and minor arcana cards?

Maggie:

So, as I said before, the minor arcana cards are very, very much like, similar to normal playing cards, but the tarot did come first. I do always want to make that very clear. So, uh, they're just the minutiae things that happen in life. Oh, things are getting on top of you. Oh, you're a bit tired here at the moment. It depends what number and what suit it's in, it depends on the outcome of the reading. But when we get the major kind of cards, like, say, you get like three or four major cards in a small reading, in a small spread, big things are happening. There's going to be a big change. So you know we can like oh, you're going to be ill for a couple of weeks with the cold, that's something we all experience. But oh, you're going to go and live in Australia, now you're emigrating. You know they're the big stuff and like maybe not always as dramatic as that, but they're the big stuff in life, the really impactful things that have a longer lasting effect in our lives.

Steph:

Do you have a favorite tarot card?

Maggie:

I mean obviously there's a lot. Well, I love the wheel of fortune because it reminds us always when it comes out in a reading. You know it might be crap at the moment, but this will be turning around and you're not always in control of everything. We, as a society, we like to be in control of things, don't we and you know I'm guilty of it as well like I need to, like, set things out so I can manage them all the time, and sometimes, you know, the universe just have different ideas for you, and sometimes it's about trusting the universe to do your very best. I mean, I always, you know, love, doing intentions, Feng Shui's all about positive intentions, what you're putting out into the universe to see what you come back. So for me, I mean, the best cards is the sun and the star, and you know the judgment and the world, and there's some fantastic, beautiful cards and their major arcana cards in there.

Maggie:

Um, but for me, I like the fact, even though I'm a Taurus and I like stability and you know what's happening, I do like the fact that universe has got our back, or the source. Some people, you know people call it different things, don't they? The universe, god, the source, all have different icons that they pray to, but I do believe it's all the same thing. I don't believe it's like well, that religion's got that person and that I just believe it's somebody for it's, it's a thing for everything. I call it the universe or the source.

Steph:

Yeah, I'm completely with you on that. I think that's very comforting yeah, I do yeah, I do. I think that's because, even though there's just little old me living my life, there's something bigger, yeah, and more.

Maggie:

And also, like we had been talking earlier, where you know, something does happen to us that's not pleasant, because inevitably that will happen through everybody's life at some point. I always try and look at what what's the message there? What's the universe been trying to tell me here, or why has it put this obstacle in my way when I was going from A to B, to stop me in my tracks or put me on to C? And I always think there's a reason behind it. We just don't, we're just not always aware of it. But if you have a look at that and go, that's really bad, that always happens to me, oh, I always have bad luck, that's really bad energy, isn't it? And if you can try and look at the universe is like well, actually we've done that so that you can get this job, because this job is much better suited to who you are and your personality. So I do believe that we have free choice, but I do believe that there is some intervention from the universe to give us some hints or help us along the way.

Steph:

I couldn't have said it any better. I'm totally with you on that. So just before we wrap up, because we're coming to time now, even though I could talk to you about this for weeks is there anything that you would specifically like the listeners to take away from this conversation that we've had today?

Maggie:

I think uh, one of the main things. Well, so tarot reading is very different from like a psychic medium or a clairvoyant. So clairvoyant actually is a French word to see the future. That's what clairvoyant, voyant is to see, and clair is to see the future. But there's quite a lot of people get mixed up between people that speak to past loved ones who have passed away, like, oh, we've got a message for Steph here. I do not do that.

Maggie:

So be very specific, i f you're going to go and book in with a tarot reader, of what actually you want and some people think they're going for a tarot reading to tell them about the future and they've got, you know, uncle Fred turn up to give them, you know, a message, and that's quite upsetting for people as well. So be very specific when you're looking for a tarot reader. If you've got a tarot reader there, that's really, you know, telling you all bad stuff and then just asking you okay, bye, your time is up, see you later. You know that's not how tarot should work. It should be a therapeutic process where you feel like you're learning something and you've developed yourself or you've got some knowledge about something, rather than coming away feeling shooken up and like, oh, full of dread.

Steph:

Yeah so it's a case of it's not mediumship.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Steph:

It's not psychic.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Steph:

It's a tool to.

Maggie:

It's a tool, that's exactly what it is. But if you're quite a spiritually aware person and you already have a very good sense, a good sixth sense, about stuff, about people and we all have that ability it's whether we use and trust it or not. I particularly have grown up using and trusting it, because my inside of my family, we've all kind of been a bit like that anyway. So you know it's something I didn't even question, but I think you know that's something that's worth developing as well in yourself.

Steph:

I have strong gut feelings. If I ignore them, I end up wishing I hadn't, you know. But I think people can block it.

Maggie:

Yes.

Steph:

If they think oh, I don't have that.

Maggie:

And that's each other's paths are different, aren't they?

Steph:

Yeah.

Maggie:

And that's another thing I would never, ever, push any of my beliefs or anything that I do on anybody else. People choose to come and see me. They choose to, you know, pay me for my services, but I would never, ever, it's not my job to change people's perception of any of what I've just been speaking today. This is my life, this is why I do it and this is why I love doing it, and I do tend to connect with other people like yourself, who are, you know, have that esoteric interest.

Steph:

S o are there any resources you would suggest for anyone listening that wants to look into tarot further?

Maggie:

I mean, there's lots of good resources out there to learn to read. I have, uh, published a book that's on sale on amazon that you can download on kindle. I haven't got the printed version or the audible version done uh, something about doing the future and it's called Inside Tarot by Maggie Tarot. That's that's what I go by, Maggie Tarot.

Steph:

I will link that in the show notes as well.

Maggie:

Thanks, but yeah, there's lots of other, like lots of different, one of the things I would say if you were getting your own cards, if it's something that you were really interested in doing, always go for the Rider Waite pack. There's lots and lots of different artists that have done their own Tarot cards and they're all really, really good, um, but I would definitely go for Rider Waite. But because they're easy to read, there's another uh one called Crowley and it's really dark. It's quite satanic. I've never, I have been bought it by accident because somebody didn't know um, the, the, the background of that particular person, uh, he's very well known for his satanic practices and I would stay away from anything from Crowley if you're a beginner. If that's something that you're into, again, it's nothing to do with me, but I would never advise anybody to pick up those cards.

Steph:

Okay, wonderful. Well, thank you for coming back on the podcast. Maggie, Thanks for sharing your knowledge again. It's been really, really lovely having you here.

Maggie:

Thank you, and thank you for having me on again, Steph, it's nice to see you.

Steph:

Thank you for listening to Tranquil Topics. You can follow me on Instagram at Tranquil Topics and please rate, review and subscribe to this podcast wherever you're listening from. Thanks, and I'll be back again in two weeks time with another episode. Bye.