Episode #141 from ankle sprains to running 6 miles - my client, Tabby!

In this episode, we talk to my client Tabby who worked with me for 11 months to rehab her ankle! She came to me with a partial tear in her ankle and unable to do the things she loved. Now she's running 6 miles and confident enough to play soccer again! We talk to her about her injury experience & what the process of working with me was like. 

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Okay. All right. I think we are good. I think we are recording so. Well, Tabby, welcome to the pod. For those listening, I have my client Tabby on to share about her experience working with me, her injury, and all of that jazz. So welcome. Thank you for having me. So first off, I want you to just share what you were dealing with when you first came to me. Like what happened and why you hired me. Yeah, so I play in an adult co-ed soccer league and the league is very aggressive and unfortunately I rolled my ankle really, really bad. Like to the point where I was like afraid I was gonna need surgery. And Ashley and I are. Same mentorship program, and she has talked about her program before, also like her own ankle injuries. Mm-hmm. And I was just someone who didn't really wanna go the surgery route, just because I've seen other members, like in my family who've had surgeries and just. I don't wanna say the complications that they've had with them, but just like limited range of motion. Like not being able to get like back to their, you know, self prior to the to the injury. And so I reached out to Ashley after I had kind of given it some time. I'm like, oh, is this really bad or is this like not that bad? And then it got to a point where I'm like, okay, this is not like just a simple ankle. Roll, and this was not my first ankle roll on this ankle either. And so this one was just like to the next level. Like this wasn't something I could ice and elevate for a couple weeks and be okay with like, it was pretty serious to the point where, you know, I'm someone who. Strength trains, I don't know, anywhere from three to five times a week. Like, I like being active and it was to the point where I couldn't, I couldn't do a squat. Like I really even couldn't put pressure on that ankle. My ankle would get sore, my foot would get sore, just like walking around. So I knew that it was something that was like more serious. But yeah, I didn't wanna go like the surgery route. So that's when I reached out to Ashley, I was like, Hey, can you do an assessment on me? And kind of see like. What is going on and what you think this is? Because I knew I was gonna have to do something like this wasn't something I wouldn't be able to, you know, rehab on my own and. I'm the type that like doesn't like to do stretching and doesn't like to do that type of thing. So like I knew I needed the accountability to actually do it because if I didn't have to check in with her, or if I didn't have to like report back to her or film the things that we did, mm-hmm. Yeah, I probably wouldn't have done it. So I having that, like I know I need the accountability to like keep myself in line and keep myself going. So ultimately that was why I hired her.'cause. Well, I knew she could get me where I needed to go, but I also wanted to be able to have the accountability and understand like why I'm doing what I'm doing.'cause I always like to ask questions. Yeah. So you said it wasn't the first time you rolled your ankle, so this ankle specifically, like had you rolled it previously? Do, yeah, I had a couple years ago, I had had, and it's always been playing soccer, unfortunately, someone kicked me in the ankle and it rolled under. And it was a thing where like, okay. A week or so later, like I was kind of back to normal and then it happened in a season previously where I kind of tweaked it and then this was like, I believe it was either the second or third time that I have had a injury to this specific ankle. So this one was definitely the worst. I mean, how it happened, I stepped in a huge ditch. We played in like soccer fields that weren't turf, and I just stepped in a huge ditch and my entire ankle rolled under. Yeah, that's what's interesting about ankles. It's that like once you roll it one time, you're just gonna roll it again. And like when I had the, when I broke my ankle, that's how it was. It wasn't the first time I had rolled it, it was just. Multiple times after, so, yeah. Yeah. Hearing your story about like, because like we had talked about it obviously. Mm-hmm. Before got on the call and I was like, yeah, I don't wanna get to a point where like, I do have to get surgery. Like, I, yeah. Not good with needles. I don't, you know, and it like any, who wants to be outta commission till doing what they like, enjoy doing? So I was like, all right, I gotta take this, like, seriously, I gotta like do the work to get better. Yeah, you were super smart about it. I wasn't super smart about it. And then I'd like had to have surgery and I was like, dang, if I would've just taken care of this earlier. Mm-hmm. Like, maybe I, they wouldn't be this serious. So you're smart about that. But I know that you went to physical therapy as well. So talk a little bit about like your physical therapy experience and then like you knew you needed more help after that. Right. Yeah, so I was going to like any, like I was going to my chiropractor just to kind of see if it was like,'cause I've had injuries before where like I've had always soccer related where I've had like someone stepped on my hand'cause like we fell. Her cleat, like stepped on my hand. Like I didn't do rehab for that, but we did different manipulation techniques to allow it to like heal a little bit better. So like he was kind of like my first line of defense to like gut check, like, okay, like is this pretty serious? And it seemed that it was where he checked range of ranges of motion and whatnot. There I've had good experiences with. Physical therapy, like in one of the people that I used to go to years ago who helped me like rehab some of those ankles injuries and just injuries in general. But I've also had bad experiences and I just wanted to more so go with someone I trusted because that's like a big thing. Like I'm always willing to like try something out, but like if I don't get like a good vibe from someone or I feel like they don't. Fully know. I don't wanna say they don't know what they're doing, but like there's a difference between going to someone who doesn't accept insurance and someone who does. Mm-hmm. And that someone who's gone to both. It is a big difference in care. Like the people who I have felt that have been really great, like practitioners and like really care about the people that they're like serving are people who aren't like in the. Unfortunately, the, you know, insurance world, because they're not like mm-hmm. You know, pigeonholed into whatever has to be met by those like insurance companies. So I didn't really do a ton of PT for the angle, but he was just kind of like my first line of defense where it was like, okay, this is like something more serious that mm-hmm. It's not gonna be just like a, a adjustment and like move on and stay off of it. Yeah. And he suspected that there was like a little bit of a tear too, right? Yes, d based on some of the like, ranges of motion that he put me through and just like, he like did a couple manipulations to allow any of the like buildup.'cause this was very like, very recent after the role had happened just to allow like more blood flow, but like. I mean, I could feel it when I walked. Like I didn't have, like, I wasn't able to like bend my ankle that well comparative to what I had done before, like one of my warmups for like, you know, doing squats and whatnot. I was like, oh wow. My range of motion is like really, really bad. I'm like, this is gonna be a huge issue when it comes to like my lifting. If one ankle has one really good range of motion, the other one is terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So talk a little bit about the assessment that we did and like that whole process and like, did anything surprise you? What did you learn about yourself? That sort of thing. Yeah. I mean, it was a lot of little movements that like. You don't necessarily do in like everyday life or whatever. But it was, I mean, it was glaring. You could see the difference.'cause like I feel like I'm very like, self-aware in my body and it, this would be something that I would never like test myself. Mm-hmm. And just doing certain things, I'm like, oh wow, this is like really limited, like compared to this side. It was super thorough. Like you know, as we were going through the process, like you not only tested. Things with the ankle, but like also my like upper body because I was talking about like issues I had there as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Can you still hear me? My video's frozen. I can hear you, but I, but yeah, your video's frozen. Okay. As long as you can still hear me, that's fine. But anyways, yeah, so I always love doing assessments because it's super interesting. Like we can always really tell a stark difference from side to side. Typically, especially with something like an ankle, like I remember your, obviously your ankle range of motion is limited, but also your big toe range of motion is limited. Yes. And those are so closely related. And so yeah, that was something that we saw. And then also your strength from side to side too. There was a very clear difference between your strength, like with doing step ups and you know, things like that. I felt super unstable on the left side. Like after that injury I felt really unstable and that like freaked me out. And I think the other thing is, is that, that, what I liked about the assessment was that it was like all encompassing. That it wasn't just like, okay, you tested the ankle and that was it.'cause that was the issue I felt like I had with like other, more like insurance. Provided like, you know, PT is that, it's like they only treat the area, but like with your assessment, you treated like the whole person because obviously the body's like fully connected. And I like that because obvi like it, it'll affect other things down the line. So I feel like as we moved through, like the process together, like not only was the ankle addressed, but it helped address other things so that there weren't other like imbalances caused as we were working on the ankle. Yeah, it's so important to look at somebody, the whole picture of their whole body because like you said, it's all related and like, just because you know you're having an issue at the ankle, oftentimes we see issues elsewhere above as well. And so you're missing a huge, a huge piece to the puzzle if you're like literally just checking one thing. So, and then, so now I wanna move into talking about like, the whole process of like working together, like doing your like mobility and ankle stuff alongside lifting, because that was something that you did. And we worked together for almost a year. So talk a bit about that whole part of it. Yeah. So I mean, I feel like we did a really good job working together to like work things in that were doable with what I was like already doing, and especially during like different periods of like stress and then, you know, I guess like where time was like more limited, like we worked together on what was actually doable, which I think is what helped me be consistent. Where it was stuff that we like added into like before my workouts, and then obviously like I couldn't do some of the same things that I had been able to do just because with the limitations and like the range of motion. And so like we modified my workouts as I still. Move through this process and like in the beginning, the movements like, and I think that's what surprised me like the most about this whole thing or that it's just like, you know, but it's just like, it was it, the process was just like, okay, keep, keep chugging along. Like slowly and surely these like little movements that like don't seem like a lot, but they really help. So much like Ashley and I just did our, like, you know, as assessment towards the end. And I, I remember telling you, I was like, oh my God, I didn't realize like how bad some of these were.'cause it has been a year since we've like worked together. And like in the beginning it was very little like things like even just like moving my toes or like mm-hmm. Moving my ankle around that I was like, oh, you wouldn't think like, something as small as that like would help. But it did. Mm-hmm. And it was like throughout the process, you just noticed, you're like, oh, this becomes easier. Mm-hmm. Like this became easier and I'm like, oh wow. I can get a little bit like more range of motion here. Or like, oh, I'm starting to feel a little bit more stable because then I could feel it like transition into like my lifts and exercise. Like we started to do more like. Squat type things or doing like leg press, like just very like minimal weight to like get back to doing the movements that like I really enjoy doing. But yeah. And then as the process went on, like we went from like a lot more like little movements to help like rehab it to actually getting you back to like. Where I was at before, if not honestly, like better from like an endurance standpoint and an agility standpoint, because I never worked on anything like that, like before playing soccer. But I mean, I wasn't someone who would ever. Run like, yeah, long time. Like just for fun. Like it's not my preferred exercise method, but I mean, towards the end I was running six-ish miles, I think maybe, yeah. I can't remember if I worked up to seven. It was six or seven. Yeah. Like pretty much straight, which is something I never have done with like minimal pain, feeling good, like feeling a little tired.'cause I hadn't like ran in that capacity for a long time. So it was just like the constant, or, or the consistency. It's like, you know, there were weeks where I was not perfect or there were weeks I feel like I fell off like completely and like, okay. You're like, well what can we do to like. I don't know if it's just like one thing a week or like two things a week. Mm-hmm. That it's like super simple you can do from home. Like that will help us like continuously progress forward. And I like that. And I needed the accountability because like, if not like. I would've just like fallen off. But I really enjoyed, like towards the end when we're doing like more agility based stuff. Mm-hmm. To be able to get back into like soccer playing shape, which I, I do believe, like I'm definitely there. I think it was more of like. I just made a, like a big move and the field that I had played on where I rolled my ankle was what I was genuinely more scared of than like actually playing the sport, right? Because like the field is just like trash. Versus I think if I went and played on like a turf field, which I do plan on doing I feel, I feel pretty confident in like my ability to go play. That's awesome. And yeah, as I was like talking to you about like where I wanted you to be before you stopped, I was like, oh, she's gonna hate me, but like, I want her running like 6, 7, 8 miles if possible. Because if you think about, like, you know that from an endurance standpoint with soccer, all you're doing is running for like a couple hours. And so I was like, mm-hmm. We have to, we have to make sure that your body can handle that type of. Force without a huge flare up. So I was like, as much as it's gonna suck, like we just need to do this to make sure that you're like ready to do it. Yeah, like in addition to all the like jumping around and agility things I was having you do. And so like that was just really cool to see, for you to be able to like, you know jump around and like do these specific things and like run for a long time because that was like. Not your ability at all when we first started. Oh my God, yeah. Looking back at those videos, I was like, oh God, I like, didn't I? Well just'cause it's been so long, like I forgot how bad. It was. But that just also shows like this process, like if you stick with it, like it does, it does work. And you will get there. You just have to be committed to doing like, it's just like the boring basics. Not saying like what you're doing is boring, but like Yeah, it is. I remember I would text you, I'd be like, I was like, oh my God, I don't wanna do this, but like, I'm gonna do it anyway. Like, and whatnot, but it, I was like, oh, sometimes it's a pain in the ass, but like, yeah. You know, like I am definitely like. I like more of the like explosive movements like type sort of thing. Like that's what keeps me like mentally stimulated, like during the gym and like some of this stuff was like repetitive, which it's like, okay, yeah, you have to like repeat it to get better at it, to continue to progress. I was like, oh my God. But. You know, I just kept doing it'cause no, I had to. Yeah, I know. And I understand, like I don't try to tell people that this is gonna be a super exciting process.'cause it's not, it's gonna be boring and suck, but it's like, what other options do you have? You know? Yeah, and it actually works. Yeah, exactly. That's the other, it's not likely to. And I, that was like the big thing that it's like seeing it through, like I've had experiences with like PTs, like in person and it's very much so like treating the area of issue, but then like you don't get back to like your full potential or like 95% of the way there when you leave like a PT office where like I feel very confident like if I wanna go play soccer, I can go do that now. Yeah. And that's huge. And that's, that's the thing, like the ability to like trust your body to be able to do those activities. And that's not necessarily the case because there's not, with physical, physical therapy because there's not enough progression. Mm-hmm. And so that's where a lot of people fall short. It's at like, oh, like I'm technically fine after physical therapy, but like I'm scared to like do these other activities. And that's. You know, you just need more progression to actually Yeah. See it all the way through on the other side. Yeah. So so talk about a little bit like where you're at now. So obviously you can run like between six and seven miles. Talk a little bit more about like your confidence with your movement in general in the gym. And there's like. You know, being, being confident enough to be like, oh, like I could sign up for this soccer league if I wanted to, you know? Yeah. I mean, one of the big things, and it sounds so silly, is that like I can just walk without pain and that's like. I mean, I, I do remember now that we've like, kind of like bringing up, like where I started, like I would walk and I would be in such pain, my ankle would be like killing me, and it's just nice to be able to walk again without, without pain. So that's like a huge piece of it. And then when we had first started together, like, you know, I like having coaches and people to hold me accountable. So like we worked with, like my training program from like my trainer, we really backed off on like legs in general. Anything that like irritated my ankle. Now I'm back to squatting, I'm back to deadlift, I'm back to doing like leg presses, I'm back to doing step ups. Like all of the things that like I enjoy doing in the gym and I mean over, I would say. We probably like ramped up my, like, training in my legs, like over the past couple months as my ankle's been like, you know, pretty much there. And like I've seen a big change in like how my lower body looks. So like, it feels good to be able to do the things that like I want to do. And I feel really like equipped with like, okay, if I'm like. I think we talked about the big toe, like that's like a focus, like to continue to work on going forward. Like if it's tight, I feel equipped with like the exercises I need to do to like help me continue to progress there. But it just feels good to be able to go and walk into a gym and I can do a hack squat and have like a almost like. A hundred percent range of emotional on both sides and not feel pain. Oh, actually, like, don't feel my body compensating.'cause like I could feel it in the, in the beginning, like when I was doing certain movements that. Know, I could, I could feel my body like shifting my weight to the right side. Now it's like I'm, you know, a little bit more even. And yeah, I just, I don't have to like, think about it as much and I don't have to modify as much, which is nice.'cause like, I like being pushed and like. Yeah. That's awesome. And I love that you mentioned you feel more even side to side instead of the compensations because a lot of people don't realize that, you know, you can move with compensations without issue maybe for a period of time, but over time that can cause other. Issues like knee pain or back pain, even if your issue is like at the ankle, right? And so if you are someone who does notice like, oh, I do have these compensations, like that's something to pay attention to because that can result in other issues if it's not resolved. Yeah. And so that's been like nice that it's like, okay, like I feel. Pretty good. Like I would say like 90, 95% of the way there. Without having to like stress about it. And like I just had a big move to a different, like city and like don't know as many people. So like I'm looking to sign up in the fall to like play in a co-ed soccer league just to be able to like meet new people. And I'm excited to be able to exercise in that way again because that's just something that like personally I don't, I don't wanna give up. Just yet, even though my family tells me I shouldn't, but Justin, I mean, why would you give it up? I mean, if you enjoy it, you like, like there's no reason. Mm-hmm. And it's just like, it's, you know, it's something I've always loved doing. I played soccer since I was. Six. I played in college. I've played in co-ed leagues, like even after graduating college. Like, it's something that like, I genuinely enjoy the competition. I love sports. Like, I like participating. I like that little bit of like a challenge and competition, even if it's just friendly for like fun. You know, I feel like it keeps me like athletic and I, I like feeling athletic. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you say to someone who is like maybe dealing with their own nagging pain or injury, but hesitant to reach out for help? Or maybe someone who just finished physical therapy and they wanna make their body more capable. Like, what would you say to like that person? One, just do it because yes, it's going to, it's gonna take time and you have to be willing to like put the work in, but the work is worth it because like if you can, if you're someone who likes sports like me or you just wanna be able to go to the gym and like feel, you know, back to your like full capabilities. Or even if you're not interested in the gym and you're like someone who just wants to get to be able to do everyday tasks. Without pain. Like to me, I don't wanna like live life in pain for the, or like be in pain for the rest of my life or be like only 75% of the way, like capable in my range of motion because I know that it'll affect other things down the line. But like if you're on the fence, like you should do it. She like, Ashley's super supportive. Like she's gonna help you do it in a way that like fits your life, fits your schedule. Like, but she's also going to like push you. Enough that it's like, okay, you're gonna continue to progress. And like the big thing for me was like getting back to full capability. Like not just getting it to the point where it like feels better, but like actually fully capable of like doing the things that I wanna do, which was something that like meant the most to me. And like having your body feel better, better range of motion. Like it's just, it's a big difference and mm-hmm. I mean to me like accountability, like you can look up all the things online and you can look up all the things to rehab stuff on your own, but it is different when you have someone to actually like collaborate with, bounce ideas off of or like, Hey, I'm dealing with this. Someone to be able to ask questions and it's like we can modify in real time. Based on other issues.'cause even when we were going through this process, like I started to feel a little bit of pain in my knee'cause I was like compensating a little bit. Okay, well we addressed that and we fixed that and now I don't have either of those, you know, those pains where it's like someone who's constantly looking to like help you get better and get back to like full potential. But I don't know, the accountability is huge. Like. You're literally going in each exercise asking how your body feels so that you can tailor things throughout the process to, mm-hmm. To get you back to full potential. I just think that trying to do it on your own or looking it up on your own, there's like the body is so complex, like it's past my scope of knowledge, and to me, like having someone in my corner is way less stressful and it's like I don't have to think I got other things to think about. Like I don't have to think about how to do this. Like she tells me what to do and I just go do it. And I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that you, in the end, you saved yourself a lot of time and frustration by just hiring out. Yes. Yes, a hundred percent. Because I feel like it's, I mean, it's the same thing with like fitness coaching, right? Like, it's like how many years do people spend trying to lose 15, 20 pounds? Trying like all these different random things because they don't wanna like invest in a coach or something like that to help them get through the process quicker. Just not saying it's a quick process because like. Sometimes it's not, but having the guidance and the mentorship and someone to like check yourself, someone to hold you accountable, like you're gonna be more consistent in the long run, which means you're gonna get there faster. Even if it's not a quick process. Like Right. It definitely like one Save me from surgery like that is something that I didn't want, which I know that some people suggested that like. I could potentially go that route with a tear, but I didn't, I didn't want that. Yeah. I didn't wanna have them cut into me and start sewing stuff up. I was like, mm-hmm. And so, yes, it took a year to like fully rehab it, but I didn't have to go to surgery. Like I felt confident in the process along the way.'cause even these like little things that we were doing, it was like, oh, okay, like I can feel like this is getting better. I feel like I can, like, I can challenge myself a little bit more. Like, it's like slow and steady. But it's like progressive the entire time versus like, you know, I had life stuff happen in in the year that we like worked together. Like if I wouldn't have had her there, I would've stopped, and then it's like who knows how long I would've stopped and potentially regressed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that's huge and it's a very similar process. To like fat loss, right? Like you gotta to, as an example, like you have a client come to you and it's like, oh, I wanna lose 20 pounds. All right, well it might take a year, but I can get you there, right? Yep. And like. The a year? Yes, it's a long time. But in the grand scheme of your life, what if like four or five years to do it on your own? In reality, if you just would've gotten help, only take a year like then, is it really a long time? No. You know, and then when you think about it from a, like a financial standpoint too, how many times have you spent like thinking about like the fat loss thing on different supplements you never take? Yeah, different. You know, workout equipment you never use that sits in the corner of your house. It's like the same thing. It's like you can buy the rehab bands or someone's guide or whatever, like, but like to have someone there. It's so customized, like to the injury, to the individual. Like it's just like, it's, it was doable, specific to me. Like I trusted you. Like we were getting there, we were slowly progressing. Like I, I mean straight up when I asked you, you're like, yeah, at least six months. And we were like, okay. Yeah, but then like we continued to extend it because it was like we weren't fully there yet. You even know there was time I fell off and wasn't as consistent and we needed to extend it and you know, that's life. But it was well worth it. And I would literally, I was like, if I could, I told you, I was like, if I could get my grandma to commit, she probably needs like something in person. I would be like, go to Ashley. Like go to Ashley. Like she will get you where you need to go, but you have to be committed to, to the process. Yeah. Yeah. Not perfect. Just committed and consistent. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And, and having the attitude of it takes as long as it takes. And like, I, I say this all the time, but like my best clients who get the best results, see the process all the way through, have a mindset of it takes as long as it takes, not necessarily a mindset of like, okay, if I'm not all the way through by six months, then I'm done. It's like, well, what if your body needs longer, right? Like mm-hmm. You have to get to a certain. Points. So that you're not like coming back and seeing me reinjured, you know? So I think that was another reason why you're so great as a client is you were just like, I'm in for like the process. Like till my body is ready. Even when there, I think there was like a point where I was like, oh yeah, like I'm thinking about signing up for soccer. And it was like a little premature and I was like, all right, let me just run this by her before I like,'cause sometimes when I get like my headset on something like, I'm just like, yeah, I'm doing it. And I don't really like think, I'm just like, yes. And then we like really talk through it. I'm like, okay, well like you haven't really ran more than like. A mile or like 10 minutes. Yeah. Like, it was like, okay, you're gonna go play two, you know, 40 minute soccer games back to back on a field where you like injured your ankle. You're like, it's probably not the best decision. I'm like, you know what? Yeah, you're right. Like it's, I'm not there yet. And that was the thing where I was like, I don't wanna get hurt again and have to like restart the process. So like, yes, like I had to make adjustments like for the past year, but like in the end, like. A year is not that long. Like it's already been a year since the injury and I'm like nowhere near where I was and I wasn't perfect. There were definitely, I feel like a couple months where like I fell off and but you know, still did like. The basics and we adjusted and Yeah. You know, kept going. Yeah. That's the other thing about like actually having a coach is like the ability to make adjustments. You're like, Hey, super busy right now. Okay. What can you do? Can you do this? Can you do this? You know what I mean? And like I, a general program doesn't give you that flexibility. Right? Yep. Because I'm like, okay, well I know if we're stripping down to like freaking bare bones. Yep. We'll be doing this. Right. So yeah, no, that was really beneficial. Especially, I know it was like kind of during like the holiday time I think somebody, like my family member had just had surgery. Mm-hmm. And so it was just like, it was like pure, utter like chaos and I like wasn't moving as much and he was like, okay, like what are like. Three things that you can do like during the week, like a thing a day, like, and that was like how simple it was, but it kept us going. Yeah. Till like that stress was like alleviated. And then it's like, okay, like let's get back into like the full swing of things and you know, now I'm able to play soccer again. Like, I'm just like so excited that like this wasn't something that. Like, I was afraid I would never play again. Yeah. And that was something that like, I just, I didn't wanna give up yet. Like I'm too young to like not be able to do something because of like an injury. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Well, this has been awesome. I really appreciate you coming on and I am so proud of you and excited for you to like be playing soccer again and feel so confident in your body. So I appreciate you and thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for everything. Like literally, like I couldn't sing your praises enough. Like, you know, if you, if anybody is dealing with like, some type of injury that you've had, like Ashley will get you where you need to be. Trust the process. Like she's there to like help you progress and like get you back to where you're going. Like it was well worth it. It took a while, but I mean, again, like. If you want it, it can happen. And I really enjoyed working with you. I just really enjoyed that you like treated the whole person and not just the, the injury. And so, like, I highly, highly recommend anybody who's like on the fence to definitely like reach out, get the assessment because you'll be blatantly honest, which is like, that's something I value. Just like shoot it to me straight, no fluff. Like, tell me how long it's gonna take If you think and like, let's, let's get to it. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you. Thank you for those kind words. That really means Of course. All right, well, thanks for listening and see you guys next time. Thank you.